We won’t try to repeal all of ObamaCare, says Cornyn

posted at 5:43 pm on March 23, 2010 by Allahpundit

There’s probably something he could have said that would depress his base more than this, but offhand, I can’t think what that might be. He’s trying to reassure centrists here that repeal wouldn’t mean a return to the status quo but merely replacing O-Care with a more moderate GOP-crafted plan — after all, even a stalwart like Pence offered to work with centrist Dems on bipartisan reform — but given the anxiety among the grassroots that Republicans won’t have the political will to roll this thing back even after they return to power, this is pure poison.

Limbaugh warned them yesterday (see here at around 3:55) that the “repeal!” cries had better be more than a campaign slogan. So much for that.

In the wake of the passage of health care reform, nearly the entire slate of Republican senatorial candidates seems ready to run on a repeal of the bill. But now, the lawmaker overseeing their election strategy is softening the message. Rather than promising to scrap the bill in its entirety, the GOP will pledge to just get rid of the more controversial parts…

“There is non-controversial stuff here like the preexisting conditions exclusion and those sorts of things,” the Texas Republican said. “Now we are not interested in repealing that. And that is frankly a distraction.”

What the GOP will work to repeal, Cornyn explained, are provisions that result in “tax increases on middle class families,” language that forced “an increase in the premium costs for people who have insurance now” and the “cuts to Medicare” included in the legislation…

The senator’s comments on Tuesday also included a push to restore funds for Medicare Advantage — an odd political moment, considering the GOP’s self-promotion as the party that trims the fat off entitlement programs.

“Without perhaps realizing it,” writes Ramesh Ponnuru, “Cornyn has come out for tinkering at the edges of Obamacare.” Indeed. I shudder to think what the tea party reaction will be to third-party candidacies now, but the political consequences here are less alarming than the policy consequences. Does Cornyn … not understand that the preexisting conditions exemption will also drive up premiums? If insurers can’t refuse to cover high-risk clients, that risk will need to be spread. And guess who it’ll be spread to. Quoth Ross Douthat:

But to the extent that Cornyn’s vision coheres, what he seems to be proposing is a reform of the reform that keeps the goodies and takes away the spending cuts and tax increases that pay for them.

California, here we come …

Here’s Cornyn’s statement insisting that he was misquoted by HuffPo. Was he?

Some media outlets have misrepresented my position on repealing and replacing the President’s $2.6 trillion health care bill. Make no mistake about it: I fully support repealing this Washington takeover of health care and replacing it with a bipartisan bill that lowers the cost of health care.

“Republicans have long pointed out that there are areas of health care reform where there is bipartisan agreement. Yet, instead of working with Republicans to solve issues of bipartisan concern such as pre-existing condition exclusions, Democrats insisted on a purely partisan bill that included massive tax hikes, trillions of dollars in new taxpayer spending, and cuts to Medicare, while failing to address rising health care costs.

“We will do what Democrats failed to do; start with common-sense measures and craft a truly bipartisan bill that does not raise taxes, does not pillage $500 billion from a bankrupt Medicare program and does not increase premiums on working families.

To some extent we’re arguing semantics here — “partial repeal plus some new provisions” is equivalent to total repeal plus a substitute Republican law that replicates a few aspects of O-Care — but it’s half-assed to identify individual provisions that’ll be kept in place not because they’re cost-effective or because they’re essential to a grand GOP plan but because they’re “non-controversial.” That’s dangerously close to saying they’ll be retained because they’re popular, which, per Douthat, is precisely how California ended up in the mess it’s in. The time has come for hard choices. Are they up to it?


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4

They should be able to charge a bazillion times as much if that is what they want. Stupid people like me would go shopping elsewhere. Ah, the good old days.

Limerick on March 23, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Isn’t Cornyn the guy that rushed to support Crist in Florida and prevented Sarah Palin from speaking at the NRSC dinner in June 2009?

DB9 on March 23, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Repeal and Replace.

1) Children can be insured on their parent’s policy until 26, hell 35, I do not care. So long as they pay the premiums.

2) Insurers should not be able to drop customers who are diagnosed with conditions while they are already insured, plus there should be limits on increases to premiums so that insurance companies cannot price those who get sick while already insured out of their policies.

3) Employer deductions for health care are done away with. This form of compensation should be replaced with higher salaries.

4) All medical insurance payments are tax deductible on each individual’s tax return. If this is so important to the government, why is the government taxing money spent on this? It shouldn’t. If you want to cap the deduction, fine. we can talk about it. A refundable credit for the plebs? Rather redistributive, but I can live with it.

5) Those who are currently insured through their employer can keep their policy — even if they leave their job or are fired or laid off — as long as they continue to pay the premiums — indefinite cobra.

6) Doctors should be required to post in their waiting room their charges for typical services, office visits, etc. Disclosure requirements should be added so that the doctor is required to disclose costs of procedures in addition to risks, etc.

7) HSA’s and high deductible policies are encouraged and expanded. Nothing will drive the cost of medicine down like a well informed consumer spending his own money — see LASIK and boob jobs.

8) Insurers should not be required to accept customers with pre-existing conditions. That would not be insurance, it would be welfare. Those who wait until they are diagnosed to seek insurance, are kinda screwed, but that is where individual responsibility and moral hazard comes in. There will be charities to help these people if the government stops confiscating 50% of what we earn. We can also set up some high risk pools for those who gambled and lost — it will not be cheap, but there needs to be consequences.

Let me know if you need help drafting the legislation, GOP…

tommylotto on March 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Your noozletter can I haz subscrayb? Seriously some good ideas. My plan is basically what the GOP already had, and then some. I want as many different private and local/state entities (non-profit included) to formed all across statelines to compete for patients. Kinda like credit unions, with absolutely no government interference on coverage selection.

Apologetic California on March 23, 2010 at 6:45 PM

It’s becoming ad nausium that the GOP will rollover like a dog. They all need to be thrown out and Steele needs to lead the way. They don’t care about this country, they only care about their phony baloney jobs and how they can become millionaires.

flytier on March 23, 2010 at 6:46 PM

As an aside, today McCain showed up on two national newscasts and it was amazing how nobody seems to care. Cornyn’s going to be in the same boat if he doesn’t stop this nonsense.

rplat on March 23, 2010 at 6:46 PM

I just wrote Cornyn’s office. Please, all fellow Texans do the same!!! This is exactly why Hutchison did not win. She was a full blooded RINO, and Cornyn needs a big reminder.

mobydutch on March 23, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Republicans have a massive uphill battle to get even a single scrap of ObamaCare repealed.

Outlander on March 23, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Everyone is discounting the biggest player of all. It has nothing to do with the courts, it has to do with money. This bill is an unfunded mandate on the states.

States will simply ignore it. There is no way they can pay for all this crap without enslaving their citizens, especially states where illegals are many. No one is going to want to work and pay exhorbitant taxes to pay for insurance for illegals … or anyone else.

Sometime I don’t think the states realize how much power they have over the federal government if they wielded it collectively.

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Look, the simple truth here is that the GOP will return to a majority in the Congress, and will retake the White House, if not in 2010-12, then in 2016. It’s inevitable, both because the the pendulum swings both ways, and because Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have proven to be such polarizing figures and will take the blame for our increasingly fractured country. And when the GOP comes back, they’ll either repeal this thing, or eliminate its most onerous aspects — or they won’t, and they’ll lose re-election if they fail. Much of the giddiness of the dems right now is borne of fear. The GOP will return to power, in all likelihood sooner rather than later, and this thing will get a second hearing before a GOP Congress, before a GOP president, and before the American people. And then, of course, there is the U.S. Supreme Court… This thing is hardly a done deal.

Rational Thought on March 23, 2010 at 6:49 PM

The homopublicans can’t be counted on to stand up for America anymore. The fetuses, maybe. But America? Not so much.

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Separate Tea Party candidates for every district! Let the people choose whether they want, as their Representative, a Democrat, a Dem-Lite (aka Republican) or a True Conservative.

factoid on March 23, 2010 at 6:14 PM

So you like living under communist rule! Are you a plant?

Voting for a third party is voting for a Democrat.

Just as not voting for McCain was a vote for Obama.

It is people who think like you who have gotten us in this mess! You had better learn to like Republicans of all stripes because if not we are ALL SOCIALISTS!

A third party is suicide for this Republic!

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES! IF YOU CAN’T SEE IT YOU ARE BLIND!

We have got to get rid of these communists! The small differences between Republicans and Conservatives is nothing compared to the Progressives that have taken over the Democratic Party.

Wise up now! before there is nothing left to save!!!!!

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Sometime I don’t think the states realize how much power they have over the federal government if they wielded it collectively.

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Despite Obama and his merry band of Marxists the country is still relatively tranquil, but, push the people to their breaking points and they will rebel . . . the politicos should be very, very carful.

rplat on March 23, 2010 at 6:52 PM

An open letter to conservatives

Sharr on March 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Wow. They really do not understand us at all, do they?

OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 6:18 PM

No and you’ll notice its presented in a way so as to make disagreement appear to be “extreme”.

As someone in the link pointed out all the “reputable links” lead of course to Liberal sites…

I’d written three response to the link where I found it (Facebook) and just said the heck with it I don’t need the headache.

if the Left is so much more correct and “civil” why then are Pelosi’s poll numbers so low?

Sharr on March 23, 2010 at 6:52 PM

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES! IF YOU CAN’T SEE IT YOU ARE BLIND!
petunia on March 23, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Amen. This thread reads just like the loony left’s caricatures of the right. “True conservative!” “I’m gonna sit out the next election!” “Third party!” Sounds like a bunch of Obamabots to me.

Rational Thought on March 23, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Please. How is this bill any different than if Meghan’s daddy had been inflicted on our little country? oh. This bill doesn’t classify climate change as a health care issue.

So there’s that.

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 6:54 PM

The GOP needs to call a press conference every time a rate increase is filed by the insurer. Insurers can’t just wake up in the morning and raise premiums, they need to file a proposed rate increase with the state dept of insurance, it is then reviewed by the commissioner and given the up or down from the commissioner. Rate increases take months and months from filing to actual premium increases, and the increase is not reflected until the end of each policy holders policy period. If there was an press conference every time this happened the public would get the message.. Rate filings are a pretty wonkish topic not really very sexy.

There is way to much “misinformation” on pre-existing conditions… If you are insured through your employers group with company A and move to company B and are covered under Company B’s plan, you will be covered but for pre-existing conditions. After a specific time has passed (usually 6 months) there is usually coverage for the pre-existing conditions. There could be a an insurance product called “gap” insurance that would insure for this condition during the gap period.

The unisurable could go to an assigned risk pool to spread the risk throughout the insurers, they can be randomly assigned to each insurer, then slowly incorporated into the regular risk pool..

As to lifetime caps this could be done through 1. savings accounts that build up over the years and the offering of a re-insurance type policy sorta like an umbrella policy that covers liability exposures. The health umbrella policy would only kick in after the underlying policy max has been reached. Umbrella liability policies are relatively affordable as the underlying policies (auto/homeowners) usually are enough for the exposure.. I could go on, but then I would sound like an insurance wonk.

kringeesmom on March 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Sometime I don’t think the states realize how much power they have over the federal government if they wielded it collectively.

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Say what?

rplat on March 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM

“There is non-controversial stuff here like the preexisting conditions exclusion and those sorts of things,”

Actually, to me, this is one of the more obvious things to take issue with.

Insurance involves paying into a pool of money so that IF something bad happens, you can pull money from that pool and cover your costs. The pool of money exists because more people are paying in than taking out.

If everyone knows that they can wait until they are sick or injured before signing up, you will end up with the situation where more people are taking from the pool than adding to it. That’s not sustainable.

Even if everyone is required to buy insurance, people will still opt for the cheapest, lowest coverage as they can always bump up to the next level as soon as they are diagnosed with something.

JadeNYU on March 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Just wait. It’s gonna be AWESOME when the homopublicans take over the Central Planning Committee!

You’ll see!

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Sometime I don’t think the states realize how much power they have over the federal government if they wielded it collectively.

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM

the last time that was tried, it ended up in the War of Northern Aggresion!!

Dam Yankees!

Romeo13 on March 23, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Cornyn might want to wait a day or two before throwing salt on our wounds by talking about anything other than a full repeal of this unconstitutional nightmare…

Seven Percent Solution on March 23, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Say what?

rplat on March 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM

What? Say what what?

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Look, the simple truth here is that the GOP will return to a majority in the Congress, and will retake the White House, if not in 2010-12, then in 2016. It’s inevitable, both because the the pendulum swings both ways, and because Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have proven to be such polarizing figures and will take the blame for our increasingly fractured country. And when the GOP comes back, they’ll either repeal this thing, or eliminate its most onerous aspects

In England there will be an election soon. The vote will be betwwen the Liberal and Conservative party. The conservative party’s platform is basically don’t do anything to touch the NHS (the govt agency that runs health care). Their platform is elect us and we will run it better than them. And same goes for supposed conservative parties in Canada, France, Germany, etc. The debate in those countries is not about the size and scope of govt. It’s about which party can run the govt best and give away the most goodies for free.

This is what the election of 2016 and every other election from here on in will be like. The election will no longer be a debate about should the govt run everything or not. It will be about which party can run everything better.

The country died on Sunday. It sucks, but it’s reality. And judging by the polls today the people don’t seem to care. Obama is back above 50% in Gallup and Ras has him at 48.

angryed on March 23, 2010 at 7:00 PM

That’s why, in this post, I call for:

TOWNHALL BOTH THE DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN AND SENATORS!!!!!

We have to underscore to the GOP leadership that we want a full repeal utilizing any legal means.

Mutnodjmet on March 23, 2010 at 7:00 PM

the last time that was tried, it ended up in the War of Northern Aggresion!!

Dam Yankees!

Romeo13 on March 23, 2010 at 6:58 PM

I’m just saying that even if 30 to 40 states simply agreed to ignore this bill … What could Obama do? Withhold federal money? Who would that hurt? His voters …

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 7:01 PM

As others have stated, pre-existing conditions, “guaranteed issue” is the ball game. If that stays private insurance is gone within a few years. People will wait to buy insurance until they are sick (adverse selection) and rates will be kept artificially low by politicians. It is like insuring the proverbial burning house or covering pre-existing car crashes. No company can survive in that environment. We are toast.

echosyst on March 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM

It’s crap like this that lets progressives creep forward generation after generation. You compromise YOUR ideals but never theirs. Always moving in their direction.

We can’t be reactive any more. We must be proactive. We must turn back what they’ve done and more importantly we have to get ahead of htem and reinforce things they’re going to attack in the years to come. Bolster the constitution. Make congress respect it again by giving it some new teeth.

WE’re always responding then we’ll always be losing.

Karmashock on March 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM

This man is WEAK, America needs WINNERS that will REPEAL the whole bill.

The Republican party needs Winners not Whiners. The country is under attack from within , save the Constitution and vote out the Marxists !

Sandybourne on March 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM

They had their chance and they stonewalled.

Jimbo3 on March 23, 2010 at 6:21 PM

That’s disingenuous. This bill was written behind closed doors without any Republican input. They never had a chance and knew it. All of those meetings were for show, and everyone knows that.

Let’s not pretend that things could have gone differently if Republicans had announced support for finding a way for people with pre-existing conditions to get health insurance. It deems an already insubstantial Internet conversations.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM

You can’t be proactive when you don’t believe in anything.

rickyricardo on March 23, 2010 at 7:05 PM

The country died on Sunday. It sucks, but it’s reality. And judging by the polls today the people don’t seem to care. Obama is back above 50% in Gallup and Ras has him at 48.

angryed on March 23, 2010 at 7:00 PM

No it died last Nov and many of us saw it. This is just reality smacking deniers in the face. Expect more. Now that they pulled this off I fully expect Cap and Trade as well as immigration reform to be handled the same way and well before the Nov elections. Pass it fast and pass it while the iron is still hot so to speak.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Despite Obama and his merry band of Marxists the country is still relatively tranquil, but, push the people to their breaking points and they will rebel . . . the politicos should be very, very carful.

rplat on March 23, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Tranquil, but only to the degree that no one is taking up arms, yet. We’ve all heard the dems say this is only the beginning. I fear it will get much worse before it gets better.

jdawg on March 23, 2010 at 7:05 PM

As others have stated, pre-existing conditions, “guaranteed issue” is the ball game. If that stays private insurance is gone within a few years. People will wait to buy insurance until they are sick (adverse selection) and rates will be kept artificially low by politicians. It is like insuring the proverbial burning house or covering pre-existing car crashes. No company can survive in that environment. We are toast.

echosyst on March 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Actually, with some real reform, as in letting the free market run the business, they could accept that. They would have to pay slight higher premiums but overall costs would drop across the board due to increased competition and removal of costly, burdensome regualtion.

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM

What Cornyn did is basically say “you know, Obamacare is not all that bad”. Take the good points from the Democrate Plan but present them as your own (because they probably are), don’t give an ounce of credence to Obamacare because that simply neuters it as a powerful campaign issue that is really resonating with the public.

neuquenguy on March 23, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I just didn’t read his comments that way. I’m also giving Cornyn benefit of doubt since he has been one of the lions in attacking the Dems plans and, yet, in one statement people are calling to run the bastard out of town. That doesn’t seem entirely fair.

highhopes on March 23, 2010 at 7:07 PM

HOw dare Cornyn start this the day of the signing!!! Call him tomorrow.

mobydutch on March 23, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Please. How is this bill any different than if Meghan’s daddy had been inflicted on our little country? oh. This bill doesn’t classify climate change as a health care issue.

So there’s that.

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 6:54 PM

For pete’s sake you disagree with McCain over immigration. Big deal. Immigration is small potatoes compared to the complete communist take over that Barack Obama has put into place!

McCain’s plans for healthcare reform were very sensible and mild! They were free market! All the stuff that makes sense. Not this government take over!

Whatever McCain’s misguided position on immigration, he is still a capitalist! He believes in freedom! And his position on immigration was consistent with Reagan’s. It’s just that what Reagan did turned out badly! And McCain thought it would be better next time… which was stupid.

I would take Democrat lite right now.

Because what we have is Marxism! Please stop saying there is no difference!

You have got to tolerate people with different views. You just have to. If you stick with this my way or the highway business our Constitution will be gone and there will be no way to get it back!

The Democrats in power now are making up rules as they go along now! This is too serious to keep saying there is no difference!

McCain and Cornyn and even stupid Lindsay Graham are not Communists! They are people with a difference of opinion they are not Marxists!

If we can’t unite against the Marxists you will deserve to be a slave to the Marxists! Because it is your closed mindedness that is going to keep them in power until they destroy everything!

I don’t deserve to be under Marxist rule! I can see the bad guys who want to destroy our system from the ones who have small differences of opinion over policy.

My children deserve to inherit freedom! Please don’t blow our freedom because they don’t walk in lock step on every issue!

We are beyond issues! We are into ideology.

Free Market Capitalism–the individual running their own life.
vs.
Communist–they make all the decisions for us.

That is so much bigger than RINO or Conservative!

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Highhopes–this sounds soooooooooo Cornyn to me.

mobydutch on March 23, 2010 at 7:09 PM

A.B. Stoddard just said on Fox that Republicans were stupid to be talking about repealing this now, or at least arguing about repealing it now. And she is not a liberal. I don’t agree with her on that, but I do think that getting caught up in whether or not they repeal every last word of it, or whether they leave in a couple of not so controversial elements is silly. I know what Rush said, but then again I don’t honestly think that most Americans and that includes conservatives are going to get all bent out of shape if they keep a provision to help people with preexisting conditions. After all, the Republicans did have some ideas on their own along those lines and they might be able to work them in.

This bill is so huge, that just getting rid of the mandates and dealing with the added burden on medicaid would be a huge accomplishment at this point.

Terrye on March 23, 2010 at 7:09 PM

It’s time for Coryn to retire.

Log on March 23, 2010 at 7:12 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how our side always compromises to be reasonable (which is ok on the surface) but the libs only do it to buy time until they are in a position to advance their agenda. The Vietnamese communists did the same thing towards the end of the war—appear to compromise while working behind the scenes to undercut any agreement they made.
Also for numerous reasons conservatives have difficulty explaining problems w/big govt. programs like medicare and social security. Our case is not helped when we have a fifth column in our own ranks. I absolutely hand it to the dems for party loyalty,gall, and ruthlessness.

arnold ziffel on March 23, 2010 at 7:15 PM

As others have stated, pre-existing conditions, “guaranteed issue” is the ball game. If that stays private insurance is gone within a few years. People will wait to buy insurance until they are sick (adverse selection) and rates will be kept artificially low by politicians. It is like insuring the proverbial burning house or covering pre-existing car crashes. No company can survive in that environment. We are toast.

echosyst on March 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Not all. How many of the “uninsured” have preexisting conditions and were denied coverage? How can we cover every American if some are denied coverage?

Last night there was a guy on TV that lost his job and thus his insurance. He has a condition and is being denied coverage at his new job. He is thrilled that he will now be able to get coverage. My father is being denied claims due to the simple fact he is 77 years old. He has his own insurance but they refuse to cover some of his pretty standard tests and drugs. At this point he’s happy that he may get coverage again. These are the “uninsured” that this bill addresses and not the scum slackers that everyone here seems to claim is out there.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:15 PM

thanks alot Texas. the most conservative state in the union and this is what you send us? this is the best you all can do? Give me a freaking break

unseen on March 23, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Cornyn’s statement reminds me of Marcia Clark’s opening at the O.J. trial.

She gestured towards O.J. and told the jury that, “No one wants to do anything to this man”.

To the Establishment Republicans in this thread……you just don’t get it, do you? “Business-as-usual” is over. The days of voting Republican because they represent 60% of our interests are OVER!

It’s coming…..and when it comes, you will be treated just as the Democrats are treated.

David2.0 on March 23, 2010 at 7:16 PM

I just didn’t read his comments that way. I’m also giving Cornyn benefit of doubt since he has been one of the lions in attacking the Dems plans and, yet, in one statement people are calling to run the bastard out of town. That doesn’t seem entirely fair.

highhopes on March 23, 2010 at 7:07 PM

You are probably right. But I think they have to be very carefull with their comments. Even if they are not intended that way, the MSM will misconstrue them has “the Republicans now admitting that at least some of Obamacare is a good thing”. The republicans need to fuel the public discontent with the Democrats, and statements like this don’t help.

neuquenguy on March 23, 2010 at 7:16 PM

As others have stated, pre-existing conditions, “guaranteed issue” is the ball game. If that stays private insurance is gone within a few years. ***
echosyst on March 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Limiting the ability of insurers to deny based on pre-existing conditions is important. HIPAA restricted insurers from doing that with employer-sponsored plans: now, if you had health care with job #1 and move over to job #2, job #2′s insurance can’t deny you based on a pre-existing condition. (If you didn’t have health care in job #1, however, job #2′s insurance COULD deny based on pre-existing conditions). There is no evidence that change harmed insurers or caused premiums to rise.

Conservative health care solutions focus on decoupling health care from employment, and having consumers buy health insurance on the open market much like they do car and homeowner’s insurance. But that system won’t work if insurance companies can collude to screw people with pre-existing conditions, which they have an incentive to do.

Like with HIPAA, however, the pre-existing condition issue should only be waived *IF* the customer is moving from one policy to another. It would be entirely unfair for someone to have no insurance and then ask for a pre-existing condition to be treated… But, that’s not really what we’re talking about here.

Outlander on March 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM

Just wait. It’s gonna be AWESOME when the homopublicans take over the Central Planning Committee!

You’ll see!

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Really? This is the best you can do?

Cindy Munford on March 23, 2010 at 7:19 PM

tommylotto on March 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM

I only disagree with number 8. I don’t see any reason why those with pre-existing conditions can’t be covered so long as insurance companies have the right to charge whatever is considered a reasonable amount to cover all costs associated with these conditions.

Also, I’d add another one. Why do we have to have insurance? Why can’t we set up medical loans the way we set up student and home loans?

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:19 PM

compare and contrast:

Cornyn:

There is non-controversial stuff here like the preexisting conditions exclusion and those sorts of things,” the Texas Republican said. “Now we are not interested in repealing that. And that is frankly a distraction.”
What the GOP will work to repeal, Cornyn explained, are provisions that result in “tax increases on middle class families,” language that forced “an increase in the premium costs for people who have insurance now” and the “cuts to Medicare” included in the legislation…

Palin:

With the president signing this unwanted and “transformative” government takeover of our health care system today with promises impossible to keep, let’s not get discouraged. Don’t get demoralized. Get organized!

We’re going to reclaim the power of the people from those who disregarded the will of the people. We’re going to fire them and send them back to the private sector, which has been shrinking thanks to their destructive government-growing policies. Maybe when they join the millions of unemployed, they’ll understand why Americans wanted them to focus on job creation and an invigorated private sector. Come November, we’re going to print pink slips for members of Congress as fast as they’ve been printing money.

You tell me who the REAL leader is. Who gets it and who doesn’t. you can subsitute Mitt/McCain/huck for cornyn they all think the same.

there is only one national leader who is different. who understands us. and that is beyond a doubt Gov Palin.

unseen on March 23, 2010 at 7:19 PM

These are the “uninsured” that this bill addresses and not the scum slackers that everyone here seems to claim is out there.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:15 PM

It doesn’t matter. You’re still forcing people to pay for other people. If anything, it should be a choice, it’s not.

darwin on March 23, 2010 at 7:20 PM

The homopublicans can’t be counted on to stand up for America anymore. The fetuses, maybe. But America? Not so much.

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM

“AnninCA” YOU happyfeet.

portlandon on March 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM

It’s coming…..and when it comes, you will be treated just as the Democrats are treated.

David2.0 on March 23, 2010 at 7:16 PM

So you like the way 2008 turned out do you? Well I don’t! You are selling your freedom away!

The problem is you are selling my freedom too. You are selling me into slavery by keeping the Marxists in power!

We can deal with Republican and Democrat differences but that is not what is happening.

Open your eyes and look at what is happening!

Marxists have taken our government.

And you still want to argue over whose a RINO and who isn’t!

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM

You sound like I use too. I gave up swimming against the strong current of conservatism after being told I was a RINO, flake and fringe weirdo that should put my tinfoil hat back on. Now I sit here reading a bit and waiting for lost to come on. I don’t watch American Idol.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Cornyn used to be a fairly conservative senator. As did Kay Bailey Hutch. What happens to these politicians when they go to Washington? – For me (living in Texas) these two are the biggest reason we need term limits. Washington destroys peoples principles(if they have them to start with) with power and money. Actually true federalism (return power back to the states) would be a better fix than term limits because of the decentralization of power would fix alot of the power/money problems in Washington .
Hey Johnnie – repeal the whole thing or we will repeal you in 2014. It is time to listen to your constituents or go home.

Corsair on March 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Now I sit here reading a bit and waiting for lost to come on.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Very good show.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:26 PM

I’m in Texas, he’s my senator, and I am P*SSED!!!

Cornyn has introduced a rift on the same day the government has seized our lives. He’s becoming quite unpopular here, and I can’t wait to get rid of him.

madmonkphotog on March 23, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Also, I’d add another one. Why do we have to have insurance? Why can’t we set up medical loans the way we set up student and home loans?

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:19 PM

You are hitting on the right track here. We have got to be more innovative!

When we change from insurance which is what is happening… because if insurers have to cover pre-existing conditions… that’s not insurance… I don’t know what it is, but not insurance against an unforeseen future event. Which what insurance is supposed to be.

We need someone to come up with a mass savings account plan… because we all will use medical care at some point. Some use it more than others.

I don’t know what the answer is but maybe loans are an idea that could work. I haven’t heard loans suggested before.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Outlander on March 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM

I agree. I just found out recently that HIPPA doesn’t apply to switching between indvidual plans. I was diagnosed with a pre-existing condition last year. I’ve been on the same Blue Shield individual plan for 15 years. I should be able to switch plans just like someone who has been on a group policy.

Mark1971 on March 23, 2010 at 7:29 PM

It’s so sad that we can’t count on our elected representatives to actually REPRESENT us with integrity. I’m getting really depressed.

Anyone placing bets on the first behavior to be regulated/outlawed when premiums inevitably start rising?

I’m betting food first, because that’s Michelle’s gig. Won’t be smoking, because Barry can’t quit.

Animator Girl on March 23, 2010 at 7:30 PM

CORNYN…….and dare I say it (YEP I WILL)….a LOT of the GOP are nothing more than RINO get-alongs that didn’t raise a finger to stop the Spending free-for-all as they supported Bush 43′s ‘COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE’ growing Federal Government for 8 years.

CORNYN?…………Primary him, or impeach his ____!!!

PappyD61 on March 23, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Ww talk about becoming unhinged. It’s okay to be pissed. I know I want blood in November.

But let’s be realistic. By the time the republicans can get a majority to repeal anything much of this travesty may be so cemented it will be hard to move. We may have no choice than to accept major tweaks to everything to make it easier to live with and not so spending heavy.

It’s like dealing with any natural disaster, we might not be able to get everything back to the way it was before but we may be able to remove the debris and rebuild.

Pcoop on March 23, 2010 at 7:31 PM

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM
You sound like I use too. I gave up swimming against the strong current of conservatism after being told I was a RINO, flake and fringe weirdo that should put my tinfoil hat back on. Now I sit here reading a bit and waiting for lost to come on. I don’t watch American Idol.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM

But I am conservative! No one lives more conservative than I do! If I am Republican in name only it is because I am more conservative than most Republicans!

But I have a brain. I know other people don’t think the exact same way I do. I know there is room for differences of opinion in the world!

I know that I am not always right!

I like that other people can teach me something I didn’t know before!

But so many on our side just don’t allow for any differences at all!

They are more like Nancy Pelosi in their rigid insistence that they are right and everyone else is wrong–than they are like a true Conservative!

I think being a Conservative by definition means we live more conservatively than other people want to live. That is an acknowledgement that other people have a right to their opinions! And that doesn’t make them horrible people.

At any rate Obama’s government is so much bigger than those tired old fights about RINOs.

If someone can help get the Marxist thrown out for good they are good enough for me to support.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:36 PM

This kind of shit is exactly why Alex Jones is able to get away with his “the lizard people of Planet X are secretly installing a totalitarian one-world-government in the Vatican” schtick.

Someone please hand Cornyn his walking papers.

Ryan Anthony on March 23, 2010 at 7:37 PM

Repeal and Replace.
How tough are those three words to remember?
Ryan has the blueprint for success for the party. Why can’t we just get on board with that?
I’m going to go live in a cave in Malaysia before I put up with more BS from this party.
Seriously.
Besides, with the way we’re spending, I’ll probably still have a better standard of living in my cave eating bugs than the rest of you will here.

12thMonkey on March 23, 2010 at 7:39 PM

LOL … I really don’t care a bit about this. This nation is about to split up and I’ve got my little ballot here I’m willing to vote for anyone who will save it …

I got a wallet too – I’ll pump cash to anyone willing to save the nation!

But I won’t vote for Ayatollah Cornyn or anyone like him nor will I give one red cent to the GOP until the Ayatollah’s like Cornyn are driven from the party.

HondaV65 on March 23, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I had a terrible feeling the Republicans wouldn’t have the courage to repeal this bill in its entirety….As long as any part of it exists there will be always be the chance of the horrible things being added back when our attention is diverted….No government healthcare at all!!! Are we doomed?

theaddora on March 23, 2010 at 7:39 PM

We have got to be more innovative!

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Completely agreed. I was actually talking to my husband about this last night – somewhat heatedly because he had the nerve to say that this bill might be a good thing.

We both seem to agree that insurance itself is part of the problem, because people never see the actual bill and aren’t treated like customers. Having the costs in the waiting room (at least cost estimates along with explanations of what could increase costs and a highest end estimate just in case) is something we both agreed is basic and just necessary.

I feel that some of this is happening already with lesser health needs. In my area, we have a set of clinics called CareNow that are affordable and have most of their costs spelled out completely before you have to pay for anything.

In addition to that, Walmart and several other companies are offering cheap generic drugs ($4 in most cases), and QVC is even offering some sort of health care program (though I’m foggy on those details).

But we’ve currently got nothing for more major health needs and still have no social desire to turn people in life threatening situations away or wait until they prove they can pay.

I would think health savings accounts or loan programs could help fix a lot of that so that if someone like me, who only needs about $500 a year in medical coverage (that’s probably for me and my husband) can pay for the minor things and save up in case disaster strikes.

Although at this point, I’d even be happy with cheap catastrophic health coverage – there’s just not much available here.

I don’t understand why Congress had to go with something so unoriginal and grand, when they could have made smaller changes and waited to see their effects before adding more.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:39 PM

My father is being denied claims due to the simple fact he is 77 years old. He has his own insurance but they refuse to cover some of his pretty standard tests and drugs. At this point he’s happy that he may get coverage again. These are the “uninsured” that this bill addresses and not the scum slackers that everyone here seems to claim is out there.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Do you realize that Medicare denies coverage at a rate 2X the average rate of private insurance companies? Look it up for yourself if you doubt it.

What you, your dad and the rest of fools who think this bill will be unicorns don’t realize is this: having health coverage does not equal health care.

Obama will give your dad a shiny new card that says “FREE INSURANCE”. Good luck to your dad in using it when he has to wait 18 months for a test and then 36 months for treatment to fix what the test found.

angryed on March 23, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Okay . . . I’m told I must not to be a pessimist . . . okay . . . lost 50% of of 401k . . .Obama won . . .we did all we could to stop bailouts/porkulous/ Obaminationcare . . . but they passed anyway . . . went to a Tea Party . . . sent $$$ to Scott Brown . . . emailed and called . . . still the dems have shredded the constitution . . . and the RINO’s Yalked (yak + talked) . . . been told Beck is nut . . . been told “can’t go third party ‘cuz that’ll lead to dem victories” . . . but I know RINO’s will cave in . . . (Israel is told to go to hell . . . Iran is offered an chit-chat while they build nukes) . . . taxes going up . . . health care going down . . . cap & Tax is coming . . . the IRS is going to add 17 Thousand (!!) to the “enforcement” of O-care . . . systemic 9.0 unemployment . . . massive debts for my kids and grandkids . . . loss of American freedom/prestige/hope . . . but I can’t be pessimistic . . . (sigh).

rebuzz on March 23, 2010 at 7:42 PM

I don’t understand why Congress had to go with something so unoriginal and grand, when they could have made smaller changes and waited to see their effects before adding more.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Because the legacy of the greatest president in the history of the world demanded it

neuquenguy on March 23, 2010 at 7:44 PM

And THIS is why we can’t trust the Republicans much more than the Democrats.

The GOP Senate caucus is just pathetic.

They may be preferable to the Democrats, but that’s damning with very faint praise.

Those of you who are busy firing up the Rah Rah Republicans bandwagon, take note.

tsj017 on March 23, 2010 at 7:45 PM

And he will probably support the SEIU and their proposal to takeover our 401ks too!!!!!!!

Google the SEIU retirement initiative!!!

PappyD61 on March 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Holy AnninCaing Crap! Thank you Pappy for bringing that to my attention. OMG. This is despicable. Its the SEIU’s replacement for Social Security. In other words, Phase II of these AnninCaing progressive’s plan to socialize the U.S. Just another ponzi scheme. I’m writing my Gov., my local rep., anyone I can about this. This needs to be uncovered and taken out at the knees before these b*astards take over even more.

http://www.retirement-usa.org/

Retirement USA is a national initiative that is working for a new retirement system that, along with Social Security, will provide universal, secure, and adequate income for future retirees. The initiative has developed 12 Principles for a New Retirement System, which provide a framework for a future system in which employers, workers, and the government would share responsibility for the retirement security for all American workers.

■Retirement USA has been convened by five organizations – the AFL-CIO, the Economic Policy Institute, the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, the Pension Rights Center, and the Service Employees International Union. These organizations have come together to raise awareness about the need for comprehensive reform for the future.

The Principles Principles for a New Retirement System

Universal Coverage. Every worker should be covered by a retirement plan. A new retirement system that supplements Social Security should include all workers unless they are in plans that provide equally secure and adequate benefits.

Secure Retirement. Retirement shouldn’t be a gamble. Workers should be able to count on a steady lifetime stream of retirement income to supplement Social Security.

Adequate Income. Everyone should be able to have an adequate retirement income after a lifetime of work. The average worker should have sufficient income, together with Social Security, to maintain a reasonable standard of living in retirement.

***

Shared Responsibility. Retirement should be the shared responsibility of employers, employees and the government.

Required Contributions. Employers and employees should be required to contribute a specified percentage of pay, and the government should subsidize the contributions of lower-income workers.

Pooled Assets. Contributions to the system should be pooled and professionally managed to minimize costs and financial risks.

Payouts Only at Retirement. No withdrawals or loans should be permitted before retirement, except for permanent disability.

Lifetime Payouts. Benefits should be paid out over the lifetime of retirees and any surviving spouses, domestic partners, and former spouses.

Portable Benefits. Benefits should be portable when workers change jobs.

Voluntary Savings. Additional voluntary contributions should be permitted, with reasonable limits for tax-favored contributions.

Efficient and Transparent Administration. The system should be administered by a governmental agency or by private, non-profit institutions that are efficient, transparent, and governed by boards of trustees that include employer, employee, and retiree representatives.

Effective Oversight. Oversight of the new system should be by a single government regulator dedicated solely to promoting retirement security.

fullogas on March 23, 2010 at 7:47 PM

I don’t understand why Congress had to go with something so unoriginal and grand, when they could have made smaller changes and waited to see their effects before adding more.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Yeah, I have a health savings account though we have decided to make some major changes and will be losing our coverage. I really have no idea where to even start getting individual coverage.

We had it long ago, twenty-five years ago. And it was good insurance. But between then and now everything seems to have gone haywire.

And for the record while Cornyn’s timing is way off… we are all so upset… he is a step ahead of us. There is simply no way to repeal this while Obama is in the Whitehouse.

That is just a fact of life. This is the consequence of the 2008 election.

We can only move forward from here. We can’t go back and make it not happen.

It is like a natual disaster. And we have to deal with it that way. You rebuild one brick at a time.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:48 PM

He is a RINO. WE DINE IN RINO FIRST before the november election. Every one call this douche and INFO HIM that we will contact every one in texas that can vote against him and will will get him replaces with a TRUE Conservative.

ColdWarrior57 on March 23, 2010 at 7:50 PM

But so many on our side just don’t allow for any differences at all!

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:36 PM

During the election I use to say we have far to many people saying; ” McCain holds 499,999 of the 500,00 conservative views I hold dear but I just have to sit this one out because I could never vote for somebody that doesn’t feel the way I do.”

The sad fact is that liberals embrace everyone that agrees with the cause be they 9/11 truthers or hard line socialists but conservatives gleefully attack their own at the slightest non-conservative utterance.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:51 PM

The time has come for hard choices. Are they up to it?

We know the Dems are willing to lose elections to push their ideology. Can’t say I see anything similar with the Repubs. They got their a$$e$ kicked the last two elections and Cornyn just proved he hasn’t learned a thing. Let’s run to the center and make nice! Might as well run McCain or his love toy Grahmnesty in 2012.

chickasaw42 on March 23, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Corny Cornyn, the RINO, is advocating exactly what Steyn once obeserved, that moderate conservatives will campaign against liberals by promising to manage a big government better than the libs.

What is it you don’t get, Cornyn? It’s the fact that we’re slouching rushing towards big govt that has us teed off, not that it’s a mismanged big gubmint!

Off with his political head.

AH_C on March 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:51 PM

The sad fact is that liberals embrace everyone that agrees with the cause be they 9/11 truthers or hard line socialists but conservatives gleefully attack their own at the slightest non-conservative utterance.

uhm, excuse me?

Did you by any chance hear what happened to Bob Casey? Or Zell Miller? Or Joe Lieberman?

Liberals are perfectly capable of pulling off the “If you don’t fall in lockstep with me you’re my enemy” schtick.

Ryan Anthony on March 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Electile Dysfunction!

chickasaw42 on March 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM

And THIS is why we can’t trust the Republicans much more than the Democrats.

The GOP Senate caucus is just pathetic.

They may be preferable to the Democrats, but that’s damning with very faint praise.

Those of you who are busy firing up the Rah Rah Republicans bandwagon, take note.

tsj017 on March 23, 2010 at 7:45 PM

I don’t care how much you curse the Republicans as long as we don’t have a third party or stay home and let the Marxists continue to rule.

I think Cornyn is being real. We will not repeal this while Obama has veto power. It is not going to happen.

Plus, what is the status of the 67 votes needed to make changes? That could be a problem to even getting any of it made better.

We may get the house back but it is a pipe dream of pipe dreams to think of 67 votes in the Senate.

We have to deal with the real world not fantasyland.

Conservatives can no more force non-Conservatives to think like they do than the leftists can get us to think like they do.

People have their own ideas. People have to compromise with other people or we remain a minority and our rights our sold off more and more.

Elections have always been choosing between two imperfect choices. Always! That is not going to change.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Yeah, I have a health savings account though we have decided to make some major changes and will be losing our coverage. I really have no idea where to even start getting individual coverage.

I looked awhile back just by Googling. There are websites that will lay it all out for you and show you which companies you have to choose from.

I will say that I didn’t see many that included much of anything though, so good luck wherever you’re searching.

And for the record while Cornyn’s timing is way off… we are all so upset… he is a step ahead of us. There is simply no way to repeal this while Obama is in the Whitehouse.

That is just a fact of life. This is the consequence of the 2008 election.

We can only move forward from here. We can’t go back and make it not happen.

It is like a natual disaster. And we have to deal with it that way. You rebuild one brick at a time.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Maybe so, but a politician should know better than to say something like this without having at least made a show of trying to repeal it first.

This is just bad politics.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 7:58 PM

During the election I use to say we have far to many people saying; ” McCain holds 499,999 of the 500,00 conservative views I hold dear but I just have to sit this one out because I could never vote for somebody that doesn’t feel the way I do.”

The sad fact is that liberals embrace everyone that agrees with the cause be they 9/11 truthers or hard line socialists but conservatives gleefully attack their own at the slightest non-conservative utterance.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:51 PM

I used to say I understood why people didn’t want to vote for McCain. He’s not a great canidate… and Obama is so attractive and interesting…

But from this time forth anyone who says they won’t vote for a RINO or who thinks third party is the way to go is simply crazy.

If you won’t vote for a RINO after seeing the devastation caused by these Marxists. You deserve to be a slave. You aren’t capable of rational thought.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM

During the election I use to say we have far to many people saying; ” McCain holds 499,999 of the 500,00 conservative views I hold dear but I just have to sit this one out because I could never vote for somebody that doesn’t feel the way I do.”

Seriously? Don’t twist things people said. There were many fundamental differences between McCain’s views and many here. Michelle Malkin can, I’m sure, talk your ear off about all of them.

And the man just couldn’t stop himself from insulting his “base” on a fairly regular basis.

Obviously he was better than Obama, and people here should have gotten drunk and voted for him anyway, but on many issues, he wasn’t better at all. For instance, with McCain, we likely would already have had amnesty by now. With Obama, it’s going to be a bit of a harder fight now that he’s exhausted his political capital on health care, and the Dems will get slaughtered in November.

The sad fact is that liberals embrace everyone that agrees with the cause be they 9/11 truthers or hard line socialists but conservatives gleefully attack their own at the slightest non-conservative utterance.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Are you forgetting Leiberman already and his primary challenger? They eat their own just as much as we do. It’s just easy to forget that because they’re currently in power.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

In England there will be an election soon. The vote will be betwwen the Liberal and Conservative party. The conservative party’s platform is basically don’t do anything to touch the NHS (the govt agency that runs health care). Their platform is elect us and we will run it better than them. And same goes for supposed conservative parties in Canada, France, Germany, etc. The debate in those countries is not about the size and scope of govt. It’s about which party can run the govt best and give away the most goodies for free.

This is what the election of 2016 and every other election from here on in will be like. The election will no longer be a debate about should the govt run everything or not. It will be about which party can run everything better.

The country died on Sunday. It sucks, but it’s reality. And judging by the polls today the people don’t seem to care. Obama is back above 50% in Gallup and Ras has him at 48.

angryed on March 23, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Yes, I know this is how this issue plays out in England. And I fear that here, as well, but we are not England…yet. The English jumped on nationalized health care right after the war. The only comparison they had was a shoddy system ravaged by a protracted war. They were willing to settle for substandard government care because it was actually better than the care they were receiving before it. There was very little innovation at that time in medicine anywhere. Cancer diagnoses were nearly always death sentences. People went into the hospital, they died, but since their family didn’t get a bill for the death the English thought it was a good system. That is not the case here. Our poorest of poor citizens have enjoyed the best health care the world has ever seen, and when they can’t pay for it, they still receive it. We have the lowest cancer death rates in the world. We save babies born prematurely who weigh just 1 pound. We help women with the highest risk pregnancies successfully bring their babies to full term. We cure childhood cancers and send those children off to live full and complete lives. That will not be the case under ObamaCare. Should this system become fully entrenched, the standard of care will become abysmal, the rationing inevitable (tour a Veterans’ hospital and then tour a top Catholic hospital — the differences are stunning!), all while our imperial overlords enjoy their cadillac plans paid for by us. We will be able to compare — actually compare — what we once had with what the democrats have created, and the people will revolt. We are a country filled with private hospitals. Good hospitals. When members of Congress, their staff, and their families are the only people who receive care there while the rest of us lie in our own excrement in government hospitals, the people will revolt. Obamacare has to be as good as — or better than — the best medical system humankind has ever seen. They will not be able to meet that standard. And the people will not stand for it, because they will know what they have lost. They will demand its return — one way or another.

Rational Thought on March 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

As my parting thought. Just let me say… bring on the RINOs anything is better than this.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

What you, your dad and the rest of fools who think this bill will be unicorns don’t realize is this: having health coverage does not equal health care.
angryed on March 23, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Why you calling me a fool? Why the attack? There is not a single post in this thread where I said anything about my position on the HC bill. I have stated time and again that health insurance does not equal quality health care or even health care. For the record my father pays for his health insurance and doesn’t get Medicare and yes I am well aware that it denies coverage.
Again why the attack? You are a perfect example of a conservative attacking another conservative because you think I’m not in your camp because I gave a couple of examples of why this HC bill came about. Hey did you hear about the BO birth certificate thing? I wonder if there is something to it? I here Palin mentioned it.

There now I’ve given you some more ammo to skewer me with. OH lordy be I may be a BIRTHER and a PALINISTA and I’m destroying the conservative movement with my fringe craziness.

My only hope is to bring some small amount of happyness to others and you seem to be happy attacking others so go for it guy. Let me have it and don’t hold back cause you know I’m one of those crazy, scumbag, slacker, welfare leaches and you know it to your very sole. Go for it, be happy. Let me have it baby!

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Conservatives can no more force non-Conservatives to think like they do than the leftists can get us to think like they do. …
petunia on March 23, 2010 at 7:56 PM

They don’t have to force anyone. The economy will eventually do that.

However, there are persuasive arguments for repealing this thing on economic and philosophical terms and there are various ideas for replacing it with something more in-tune with the economic reality and maximizing freedom. Now starts the period of earnest persuasion for both sides.

reginaldL on March 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Did you by any chance hear what happened to Bob Casey? Or Zell Miller? Or Joe Lieberman?

Liberals are perfectly capable of pulling off the “If you don’t fall in lockstep with me you’re my enemy” schtick.

Ryan Anthony on March 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM

But they were/are kind of con like with supporting the wars and some of the Bush stuff. Miller? Be real, he even said the the dems left him and last I knew Joe was independent. Those guys are not liberal. They are conservatives as far as a real liberal is concerned. It’s not like they think that 9/11 was an inside job like the real huggable crazies of the left.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM

We won’t try to repeal all of ObamaCare, says Cornyn

Start looking for your next job, Chump.

ya2daup on March 23, 2010 at 8:16 PM

If you won’t vote for a RINO after seeing the devastation caused by these Marxists. You deserve to be a slave. You aren’t capable of rational thought.

petunia on March 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM

WHATEVER

The Chairman of the National Senate Campaign Committee says “we” won’t repeal the “devastation caused by Marxists”, and you’re complaining we won’t cheer him on? That’s “rational”?

I would be a slave if I settled for orbiting just shy of total Democrat domination. Since you like slave analogies– you’re escaping to Missouri because running to Canada is too extremist.

Thankfully this big-government trend is unsustainable, by which I mean Federal Reserve banknotes will no longer buy bread and gasoline. It won’t be people like you that restore the State to the American Nation.

Chris_Balsz on March 23, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Obviously he was better than Obama, and people here should have gotten drunk and voted for him anyway, but on many issues, he wasn’t better at all.

But they didn’t. I did and my wife did but hey that’s us and we kind of thought BO really stinks.

Are you forgetting Leiberman already and his primary challenger?

He a dem again? Man I have to keep up I thought he was independent.

They eat their own just as much as we do. It’s just easy to forget that because they’re currently in power.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Not really. They only eat their own when it looks like it is siding with the enemy and that is something that not only conservative don’t do they don’t really see it. You can be a full blown nut case and get plenty of coverage for your cause. Would the conservatives tolerate Code Pink or any number of other whack job groups that get coverage and support from the democrats and liberals? Just like one of those Code Pink crazies even imply the other side has a point and yes they will be thrown under the bus faster then a conservative attacks a birther.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM

But they were/are kind of con like with supporting the wars and some of the Bush stuff.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM

How is that any different than the Obama stuff or Clinton stuff that our liberal Republicans have supported?

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:25 PM

By: Dana Loesch
://biggovernment.com/dloesch/2010/03/22/the-socialists-won-a-battle-now-it-is-our-turn/

Cornyn and every other limp wristed Republican had best read Dana’s editorial. Your stance has just put you on the list that we’ll target for resignation. You and yours had your chance, and look where it’s taken us. Your time is over!

If this won’t put a fire in your belly, nothing will.

… How many men and women have shed blood for this country? How many patriots took to the streets to defend this country blessed by God? Don’t you dare give up, patriots. Don’t you dare make their sacrifices in vain because you’re afraid of battle. Take no prisoners, suffer no fools, never surrender.

What – you thought you get this land scott-free? Liberty is never fully paid off and to be deserving of it one must be willing to fight for it on the battlefield, in the halls of congress, by involving yourselves in your communities. Such a struggle is not a burden, it is a privilege.

How bad do you want liberty? I’ve received several emails from folks who’ve said that they’re ready to move, to leave the country, and give up. I received an email the other day from a woman named Melanie who confessed that she just “doesn’t have time to get involved.” During a conversation about precinct captains with a gentleman at a recent protest, I was told that the commitment “sounds like too much time.”

My reply:

Get out.

Get out of my country any freeloader who possesses such an attitude, you betrayers of conservatism, of liberty. How dare you claim the belief of self-sustenance and individualism while warming your hands by another patriot’s fire, living off the fat of another patriot’s blood, sweat, and tears. As I said on my radio program last week: any one who dares call themselves a patriot and refuses to commit to maintaining their country’s liberty can burn in hades with the socialists who’ve jeopardized our children’s futures.

If you cannot commit several hours per week to maintain the liberty that others afforded you then you by your inaction and silent voice abet those who seek to destroy it.

This is not over. We won the battle of the hearts and minds and still congress trampled over us with an un-Constitutional bill that, for the first time, forces citizens to purchase a product.

We won the battle of persuasion. We’ve won talk radio. We’ve won cable news. We’ve won social media networks. We’ve won the street corners and the community participation and the phone banks and the 11th hour hat tricks. We’re going to win the money battle, next. …

SoldiersMom on March 23, 2010 at 8:26 PM

But they didn’t. I did and my wife did but hey that’s us and we kind of thought BO really stinks.

You don’t really know how many did and didn’t without some kind of poll. I know plenty of people who said they couldn’t vote for McCain but did anyway as a vote against Obama.

But votes against someone just don’t work. Because the people who need to get excited enough to get out a vote, just decide it isn’t worth it.

He a dem again? Man I have to keep up I thought he was independent.

Technically he is, but he’s still considered a Dem. But you’ve really proven my point. He was a Dem when liberals primaried him, just as conservatives are talking about doing here.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM

I don’t quite understand your last part. Liberals eat their own when they side with the enemy. Conservatives do the same.

I’m not sure how you’re saying they’re different.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

no petunia I do NOT disagree with McCain on immigration. Your average immigrant loves America way more than Meghan’s daddy or Princess Lindsey or feckless bimbo John Cornyn I think.

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

no petunia I do NOT disagree with McCain on immigration. Your average immigrant loves America way more than Meghan’s daddy or Princess Lindsey or feckless bimbo John Cornyn I think.

happyfeet on March 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Way more than a man who was tortured for her? Quit embarrassing yourself.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Sorry, the link wasn’t complete.

As I said, if this doesn’t put a fire in your belly, nothing will. It’s a brilliant piece by a true patriot.

http://biggovernment.com/dloesch/2010/03/22/the-socialists-won-a-battle-now-it-is-our-turn/

SoldiersMom on March 23, 2010 at 8:36 PM

I’m not sure how you’re saying they’re different.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Birthers don’t side with the enemy. Palin fans are not democrats. Tea party people are not democrats, well maybe some of them.

All it took was for me to say my father was denied some coverage and suddenly I’m a fool and so is he. It didn’t matter that it was only an example of the type of issue that the HC bill was trying to address. All that mattered was that I’m suddenly the enemy because it sounded like I was full in for this bill.

OK, I convinced myself with that explanation. You are right. They do eat their own just as much and for the same reasons but on the other had they also embrace the crazies as long as those crazies are against what they are. Conservatives just don’t do that and I think that my examples for Palin and birthers are valid.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM

There’s probably something he could have said that would depress his base more than this, but offhand, I can’t think what that might be.

See. Even a beta male can recognize this. Which makes Cornyn what? A theta male?

There are some health care reforms that actually do need to happen, but that’s not even a rhetorical problem. Just promise to repeal the whole thing, and pass healthcare reform that makes sense.

didymus on March 23, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Technically he is, but he’s still considered a Dem. But you’ve really proven my point. He was a Dem when liberals primaried him, just as conservatives are talking about doing here.

Esthier on March 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

But that was because he was for the war and thus siding with the great and powerful evil Bush. If it were not for that he would still have the D after his name.

Anyway…. It’s been fun folks but I’m going to go buy pizza and watch Lost. Night all.

RagTag on March 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4