Interview with Ken Hoagland, Online Tax Revolt
posted at 2:55 pm on March 23, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier today, I spoke with author and activist Ken Hoagland of the Online Tax Revolt, a new effort to create a virtual march on Washington for April 15th. Ken talked about the need for opponents of the existing tax system to link arms and demand a reform of the tax code, which exists to serve those in power far more than it does to serve the people. People can design their own avatar to represent them individually, and the Online Tax Revolt will bring those individual petitions to the capital on Tax Day to demand real change and a return to government by the people and for the people, not government by entrenched elites for entrenched elites.
Although Ken has authored a book promoting the fair tax proposal, The Fair Tax Solution, excerpts of which are available at Ken’s website, the coalition supporting the Online Tax Revolt comprises backers of other solutions as well:
- Mike Huckabee
- Herman Cain
- Rep. Tom Price
- Rep. Jeb Hensarling
- Michael Reagan
- Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher
- Neal Boortz
- Re. Dan Lungren
I may also join as a leader and put together a team of Hot Air readers for this effort. Keep an eye out for more information on that, but in the meantime, get signed up as soon as you can to lend your voices to the effort. Enjoy the interview!









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The Domestic Terrorists won’t notice. Unless Americans show up physically in DC in their millions, the ‘rats won’t care.
I appreciate the effort but there needs to be a return to the basics of civil protest in the manner that earlier generations used.
Bishop on March 23, 2010 at 3:00 PM
I joined the online march last week. But I agree with you…the Dems barely pretend to care even IF there is live people in protest. They simply dismiss them as racists and continue their disregard for our opinions.
search4truth on March 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Exactly…I am afraid that being “civil” or “virtual” won’t change anything.
I am afraid that the governors of our life only will respond to one type of protest…
right2bright on March 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Barking up the wrong tree with the “Fair tax”. Black market problems aside, the kickback — I mean “prebate” — is a clarion call for corruption.
The swamp of tax code corruption will not be drained until we have a flat tax with no exemptions.
Count to 10 on March 23, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Stupid.
lorien1973 on March 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Can we use the “R” word here at HA?
d1carter on March 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM
dibs on King Kong…/
ted c on March 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM
No
Count to 10 on March 23, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Bishop, you have a point. Thousands showed up to protest HCR and polls showed that the will of the people was opposed to it, but the dems ignored the will of the people.
To thier own peril. Can’t wait for November.
If my rep (Bean) is reading this I can tell you my neighbors are way pi$$ed off.
ChicagoBlues on March 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Governor Sarah Palin boldly on the front lines leading this fight:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434
SheetAnchor on March 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Isn’t this a verboten word at HA?
OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Rancid? Yes.
Revol…uh…ve….no.
Bishop on March 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM
The R word…NO.
ChicagoBlues on March 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM
I wished we could have assurances this would work. It’s kind of defeating, knowing they just don’t give a rats behind what we think, or want.
capejasmine on March 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Rancid, repugnant, refuse, regurgitate, recycle are OK LOL
ChicagoBlues on March 23, 2010 at 3:09 PM
If you think for one minute the dems will give up the choke hold on us they have through the power of taxation, you need to remember they don’t give a ratz azz about dead babies.
Kissmygrits on March 23, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Your vote in November will make the difference. HANG IN THERE!
ChicagoBlues on March 23, 2010 at 3:10 PM
I’m still checking out that hottie standing behind Pelosi on Drudge…
Seven Percent Solution on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Ed, it is a interesting idea. But Fairtax? How about no tax? I am not keen on the idea of a fairtax… whats the point, when we do not have any say so in our tax structure anymore.
upinak on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM
The R word is Restricted.
Darksean on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Is anyone going to DC for Tax Day??
Darksean on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Can we use the “R” word here at HA?
d1carter on March 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Only if you’re referencing the historical episode.
In which case, it was glorious, necessary and honorable.
Now, not so much…
artist on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Seven Percent Solution on March 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM
MY PRECIOUS….aaargh
ChicagoBlues on March 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM
I await the accusation that somebody’s online avatar yelled a racial slur at some congressman’s web-site. ;-)
WashJeff on March 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Great idea! I signed up last week and joined Team Reagan.
I believe that the most realistic way of defeating ObamaCare (and the rest of the Progressive agenda) is through tax reform, either with a flat tax or fair tax.
Buy Danish on March 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Wow. Looks like something my dog would bury…
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What is that?
OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Hoagland’s fair tax book review @ amazon and discussion of fair tax.
maverick muse on March 23, 2010 at 3:16 PM
LOL! I keep wondering if the hottie’s name is Pat? LOL
capejasmine on March 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM
I would rather let them hear how many of us there are, all around the country. We could, at a particular time, fire our weapons into the ground at midnight so all the libs in the entire country can know…we surround them. Just my 2 cents.
javamartini on March 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM
+1
OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM
There’s one way to find out if a man is honest – ask him. If he says, “Yes,” you know he is a crook.
- Groucho
There’s one way to find out if a man’s tax solution is fair – ask him. If he says, “Yes,” you know he is a crook.
MB4 on March 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM
I just signed. Guess it couldn’t hurt, we need all we can get to stop this bho.
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letget on March 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM
being civil will change things if we are determined, forthright, and motivated.
blatantblue on March 23, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Taxes?
Fox News Poll: 79% Say U.S. Economy Could Collapse
By Dana Blanton
– FOXNews.com
The latest Fox News poll finds that 79 percent of voters think it’s possible the economy could collapse, including large majorities of Democrats (72 percent), Republicans (84 percent) and independents (80 percent).
artist on March 23, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Not for us peasants.
Now we’re into petitions? Petitions are a joke. The elites don’t care about those anymore; the left laughs at the thought a bunch of people think signing their names to a piece of paper will change their minds and the right are afraid to back up the call for action with any real action.
Dusty on March 23, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Rostenkowski!!!!!!!!
daesleeper on March 23, 2010 at 3:24 PM
I agree they’ll ignore us. That’s the whole problem, isn’t it? Among other things, we’re protesting that there’s taxation without representation. They’re not listening to the will of the governed anymore.
So our demonstration has to be a lot more meaningful than a virtual protest.
Daggett on March 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM
How?
fossten on March 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM
And the left wants us to believe they have nothing to worry about in November? With those numbers? Dream on Libs….dream on!
capejasmine on March 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Who gives a rat’s ass about the tax code?
The elephant in the living room is GOVERNMENT SPENDING!
Reduce government spending to 7% of GDP (about one-sixth of what it is as of this morning) and THEN we can putter around with niggling details like how to go about collecting it.
logis on March 23, 2010 at 3:28 PM
You honestly think violence is going to make things better at this point?
Look at what we’ve been able to accomplish with the peaceful, but firm and loud demonstrations we’ve had.
With the Democrats controlling all three houses, they BARELY passed this bill. That says a lot. We’ve accomplished a lot, contrary to popular belief.
Now is not the time to start considering violent acts.
blatantblue on March 23, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Yup. It’s the income tax, stupid!:
Rae on March 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Haha. That would be Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro of CT.
Devrbd on March 23, 2010 at 3:32 PM
I’m looking at a short document, ‘Price of Freedom; 56 Men who signed’.
I’m very close to putting everything I have on the line to take back our country. And I do mean EVERYTHING I have.
PappaMac on March 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM
That is one AnninCA’ing ugly congresscritter.
OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Never thought I would see “hottie” and “Pelosi” in the same sentence.
tbear44 on March 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Who, this?
Rosa DeLauro
Devrbd on March 23, 2010 at 3:40 PM
VAT may be our next problem, according to Krauthammer.
DrStock on March 23, 2010 at 3:41 PM
“government by entrenched elites for entrenched elites.”
This is so ridiculous. Could you provide the names of these elitists?
Dave Rywall on March 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Yikes! My eyes, my eyes. Where’s the bleach?
OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Newsflash: There is already a full-fledged taxpayer revolt going on. (Don’t feel too bad; you probably missed that tiny little factoid among all the news coverage about “Teabagging Partiers.”)
Of course taxpayers will not be starting any of the violence. But if you’re not at least taking a few common-sense precautions by now, you are WAY behind the curve.
logis on March 23, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly (Prov. 26:11).
daesleeper on March 23, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Will virtual police show up with truncheons and start cracking heads?
BowHuntingTexas on March 23, 2010 at 3:47 PM
Thanks dude, I’m not going to be able to have kids after seeing that picture. Ever.
spec_ops_mateo on March 23, 2010 at 3:47 PM
?????
What are you even saying?
blatantblue on March 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Taxing income is wrong. Period.
spec_ops_mateo on March 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM
we surround them
long_cat on March 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Pass. -Not interested in the Fair Tax or anything to do with the Fair Tax.
Murf76 on March 23, 2010 at 3:49 PM
A flat tax will clobber the poor and let the rich go laughing all the way to the banks.
Please remember that simplistic solutions sound nice, but are rarely good to truly implement.
Dark-Star on March 23, 2010 at 3:54 PM
It has to be one of the most collassally stupid ideas in the history of mankind — and that is saying one whole Hell of a lot.
Just imagine what was going on inside the dank recesses of the “progressive” mind who came up with that little gem:
“Hmm. People are out there creating wealth? Well, we should obviously try to encourage that kind of behavior as much as we possibly can.”
“No. Wait….”
[Eyes darting from side to side.] “That’s just what they’ll be EXPECTING us to do!”
logis on March 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM
We’re sorry, but Madame Speaker is already taken…
dominigan on March 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM
I hear the fair tax proponents criticize the flat tax saying that only the flat tax would still require the IRS to remain in government. How would a consumption tax not require the IRS to enforce as well?
The earliest incarnation of the IRS was the Office of the Commissioner of Revenue, which was established by Congress in 1792 in response to the request by Secretary of the Treasury ALEXANDER HAMILTON that various tariffs and taxes be created to raise money to pay off the U.S. Revolutionary War debt. Trench Coxe of Pennsylvania was the first person to hold the office. By creating the Office of the Commissioner of Revenue, Congress delegated its constitutional power to “lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises” to the Treasury Department, which has retained the power ever since (art. 1, § 8, U.S. Constitution).
By the time THOMAS JEFFERSON became president in 1801, the internal revenue program had grown to employ 400 revenue officials, who enforced a wide variety of tax regulations, including taxes on distilled spirits, land, houses, and slaves. Jefferson, a Democrat who fiercely opposed Hamilton and his FEDERALIST PARTY programs, abolished the entire system and relied instead on taxes assessed on imported items for government revenue. When the WAR OF 1812 increased the government’s needs for funds, taxes were reimposed on items such as sugar, carriages, liquor, furniture, and other luxury items. At the war’s end, all internal taxes and collection offices were abolished, and CUSTOMS DUTIES again became the primary source for government revenue.
Congress passed sweeping new tax measures, including the Civil War Revenue Act of August 5, 1861, which authorized the country’s first INCOME TAX and imposed a direct tax of $20 million apportioned among the states. The Revenue Act of July 1, 1862, created a wide variety of new taxes. To oversee their collection, Congress created the Bureau of Internal Revenue under the secretary of the treasury.
When the Civil War ended in 1865, the government’s need for revenue was greatly reduced. Taxes were scaled back, the income tax was eliminated, and customs duties again became a sufficient source for federal funds.
After many attempts Congress finally passed a modest income tax in 1894. The Supreme Court quickly ruled it unconstitutional on the ground that it violated the constitutional provision requiring that federal taxes be apportioned equally among the various states. Supporters of the income tax overcame this hurdle in 1913, when Wyoming became the thirty-sixth state to ratify the SIXTEENTH AMENDMENT to the Constitution, giving Congress the power to collect taxes without regard to state APPORTIONMENT. That same year Congress enacted the first income tax act under the amendment, and the income tax became a permanent feature of the U.S. tax system.
In 1913,the first Form 1040 consisted of 4 pages, including instructions [that Einstein found confusing].
Congress levied a 1 percent tax on net personal incomes above $3,000 with a 6 percent surtax on incomes of more than $500,000.
In 1918, during World War I, the top rate of the income tax rose to 77 percent to help finance the war effort. It dropped sharply in the post-war years, down to 24 percent in 1929, and rose again during the Depression under the FDR socialist administration. During World War II, FDR signed into law new payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments along with the new Social Security Number assigned to American citizens. The Social Security payroll withholding promised in writing the “guarantee” that the government would return the withheld wages to retirees to provide stable living income the duration of their lives.
The agency was reorganized in 1952 to replace a patronage system from presidential appointments with permanent federal employees. The Bureau of Internal Revenue converted to the Internal Revenue Service. Only the IRS commissioner and chief counsel are still presidential appointments (Tim Geithner, “the only man who could” scam the IRS before the appointment to head it).
In an attempt to protect taxpayers’ rights, President Reagan lobbied Congress in 1988 passing the TAXPAYER BILL OF RIGHTS (Pub. L. No. 100-647, tit. VI, §§ 6226–6247, 102 Stat. 3730–3752 [Nov. 10, 1988]), which outlines the rights and protections a taxpayer has when dealing with the IRS. Included are the right to have penalties waived if the taxpayer follows incorrect advice given by the IRS, the right to request relief when tax laws result in significant hardship, and the right to attorneys’ fees in cases where IRS employees violate the Internal Revenue Code to the detriment of the taxpayer.
The IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 prompted the most comprehensive reorganization and technological modernization of IRS in nearly half a century.
Today, the Obama-Geithner IRS warns citizens that the IRS is not accountable for any false information that their “professional” employees may render, and will prosecute errors regardless of the facts.
Exactly when and who vested the IRS with powers to ignore Reagan’s legislation providing the tax payers’ bill of rights?
maverick muse on March 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM
And sadly, its pretty much a mathematical certainty…
dominigan on March 23, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Great idea in theory Ed. But where are the teeth? This government is not listening and will continue to ignore and spin unless and until they are seriously politically damaged and made to look bad. We have to come up with a strategy that harms them in some say, politically, reputationally, monetarily…or ? This can and will be done in November, but until then? They have to be faced with consequences before then though I admit I do not know how. In the meantime though, I’ll do this and hope I am wrong about the effectiveness.
jeanie on March 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM
Ignoring the Law of the Land. Breaking their Oath. Bribing for votes. Massive new taxes and gov orgs during a
RecessionDepression. Mandating that individuals purchase a service, as a consequence of breathing.Just look for the (D) after their names…
dominigan on March 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Axelrod, Begich, Boxer.. need I go on?
upinak on March 23, 2010 at 4:16 PM
How does this AnninCAing tool not get hit by the banhammer?
OmahaConservative on March 23, 2010 at 4:18 PM
Unfortunately, I think it will take a large armed protest for them to to notice, or even care. Sadly, a lawful exercise of our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights together would be portrayed as an act of violence… whether any actually broke out or not. ****
****DISCLAIMER: I am not advocating the “R” word. Only pointing out our Constitutional rights.
dominigan on March 23, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Yep.
John the Libertarian on March 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM
This is so ridiculous. Could you provide the names of these elitists?
Dave Rywall on March 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Axelrod, Begich, Boxer.. need I go on?
upinak on March 23, 2010 at 4:16 PM
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This is the fu*king stupid predictable answer I was expecting.
So you think the top of the GOP are a bunch of gee shucks regular folks who sip lemonade on their front porch?
Dave Rywall on March 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM
My husband was just saying this morning that we need a fair tax – where EVERYONE pays. He’s been upset since he found that 4 employees received TWICE MORE (Fed Income Tax return)than they paid in taxes due to child credits.
It’s a booming business: Have babies, make $$ from the federal government.
TN Mom on March 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM
Ignoring the Law of the Land. Breaking their Oath. Bribing for votes. Massive new taxes and gov orgs during a Recession Depression. Mandating that individuals purchase a service, as a consequence of breathing.
Just look for the (D) after their names…
dominigan on March 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM
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ha ha ha these are all so awesomely hilarious
especially the massive new taxes part
Dave Rywall on March 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM
As far as the government is concerned, that is exactly the same thing.
logis on March 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM
My husband was just saying this morning that we need a fair tax – where EVERYONE pays. He’s been upset since he found that 4 employees received TWICE MORE (Fed Income Tax return)than they paid in taxes due to child credits.
It’s a booming business: Have babies, make $$ from the federal government.
TN Mom on March 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM
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You’re a parent and you don’t know anything about child tax credits?
Given the amazing stupidity of your second paragraph, your ignorance of the most basics of income tax is totally understandable.
But then again, you probably think the rich pay too much tax, don’t you.
Dave Rywall on March 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM
Look to Palin as an example of a gee shucks regular folk for them. (I know, hilarious, isn’t it?)
Dark-Star on March 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM
Funny, when I point out that fact, I get reamed by the resident attack dogs…
Dark-Star on March 23, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Tell me I’m crazy or not – but – it looks just like Ron Woods.
oldfiveanddimer on March 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM
It is immoral to confiscate so much from so few.
daesleeper on March 23, 2010 at 4:35 PM
Representation without taxation is unfair.
logis on March 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM
No, not armed! They just have to be made to look as if they have lost control of the general public and weapons are not necessary for that. I do not know your age, but if you don’t recall them, the huge sit-ins of the 60′s where the Guard had to drag away and imprison thousands of citizens was very, very effective. That sort of non-violent protest along with similar…is always effective, but it has to be consistent, determined and above all, non-violent on the part of the protesters. Law enforcement will provide the violence if subtly provoked enough. It is a direct and damning insult to any government, especially in international eyes. If it goes on long enough and persistently enough even the feckless MSM will have to take notice. But, it requires leadership, courage and a willingness to see it through in spite of the risk. Have we reached that point?
jeanie on March 23, 2010 at 4:44 PM
haven’t learned your lesson yet? virtual crap.
abobo on March 23, 2010 at 4:47 PM
But then again, you probably think the rich pay too much tax, don’t you.
It is immoral to confiscate so much from so few.
daesleeper on March 23, 2010 at 4:35 PM
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yep keep bleeding it out of the middle class. working great so far.
Dave Rywall on March 23, 2010 at 4:49 PM
You’re a parent and you don’t know anything about child tax credits?
I know about child tax credits; my comment was written for everyone to understand that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR THE UPKEEP OF PEOPLE’S CHILDREN WITH MY TAX DOLLARS. Why don’t the parents pay themselves? These employees received a federal tax refund for twice the amount they paid.
Wouldn’t it bend the cost curve if the federal government just provided condoms, or at least limit the number of children OUR government is supporting. NO ONE forced these women to get pregnant, I ONLY had 2 because that’s all I could afford.
TN Mom on March 23, 2010 at 4:51 PM
That is the intent of all this liberal policy. Destroy the family, destroy personal wealth, force as many as possible onto some sort of government assistance. Criminalize so much behavior such that man cannot help but break some law.
Destroy the middle class to encrust a permanent ruling class and calcify the underclass.
Keep voting democrat!
daesleeper on March 23, 2010 at 4:51 PM
I’m afraid that it’s going to take more than virtual Tea Parties or online Tax Revolts to water the tree of liberty.
UltimateBob on March 23, 2010 at 4:51 PM
whoops…
He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, lest he hate you, Reprove a wise man, and he will love you (Prov. 9:7-8).
daesleeper on March 23, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Um, no. Taking agitprop only works when you control the vast majority of the airwaves.
What’s going on now is civil disobedience on the part of the people who pay the bills. And that is a completely different animal.
Our motto is: “Hell no, we won’t PAY!”
Tax revenues were down 18% last April. Mark my words: That will seem like a windfall compared to what’s not going to happen next month.
They ignored all of our marches. But trust me: they won’t be able to ignore this for very long.
logis on March 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM
That is EXACTLY what the Democrats are planning.
They’ve spent decades soaking “the rich” in the name of redistributing their wealth, and look where it has gotten us: $14 trillion in debt. So where do you think the money is going to come from next? Hint: NOT the people making over $25000 a year.
You are one stupid mother f**ker, Rywall.
UltimateBob on March 23, 2010 at 4:57 PM
Misprint alert: That should be $250,000 a year (Obama’s figure, or at least one of the numbers he has thrown out). NOT $25,000.
UltimateBob on March 23, 2010 at 4:58 PM
The “coalition” for this weak-kneed so-called protest includes Mike Shuckabee and Joe the Plumber?
Why not the Maytag Repairman? Oh, wait. He’s dead.
Personal avatars? Give me a break. Just go for smileys. It’ll have the same impact.
Sounds like a great way to waste time. One word in the title is right, but to use it in the way it needs to be used would be to court banning.
Have fun, Ed.
MrScribbler on March 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM
The middle class IS paying for all the single mothers who have babies they can’t afford. The middle class pays extra in state, federal taxes; everyone pays except the poor people who CHOOSE to have babies they can’t afford.
TN Mom on March 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM
I thought tax revenues were down 24% last year…I’m checking to see…
With unemployment at 10%, I expect you are right that revenues will fall this April.
TN Mom on March 23, 2010 at 5:07 PM
Why are you here?
Are you still Canadian or did you become a citizen of America so that your opinion here matters?
Dave-go back to your parliament, assuming you work or worked there, & change things in your own country so you can be happy again & not have to come here & b!tch about us.
Seriously, don’t you have any matters you should be discussing with your own countrymen?
Badger40 on March 23, 2010 at 5:12 PM
That Earned Income Credit is nothing but welfare.
If you don’t even even pay FICA taxes out of your check, how can you get a refund?
It’s welfare.
I can see your adjusted gross income alllowing you a refund of any & maybe all FICA taxes you were paying throughout the year.
But a refund is when you get something back that you already gave.
This is nothing but other people’s money AKA welfare AKA redistribution of the wealth.
Badger40 on March 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM
I agree.
Ed-it sounds great , considering how many Americans are wired to the Net.
But if they are ignoring our physical presence in DC & Townhall meetings & are ignoring our emails & phone calls, like taking the phone off the hook, unplugging the computer etc., then I’m a thinkin’ this petition/avatar thing is gonna be a bust.
Really, besides voting the bums out of Congress & replacing them with real leaders, what other recourse do Americans have in stopping this trainwreck?
I didn’t say the R word.
Badger40 on March 23, 2010 at 5:18 PM
Wrong!! It takes time and energy and resources to control massive sit-ins and similar types of civil disobedience. When the 60′s protests began, few paid attention but eventually they dominated all the networks and changed the direction of the war in Nam(and no, I’m not going to argue the right or wrong of it). What would be your solution or method to deal with what’s happening? Sending avatar’s to DC? Maybe, but I doubt it. The pols in DC have to come face to face with consequences, they have to face harm of some kind, right now, not in some distant misty future. This virtual plan is ok as far as it goes, but it provides nothing we have not done already and it has not worked. Now I’m sorry to be a nay sayer because I know it’s not a positive way to think. But in spite of that, I feel strongly that it will not be effective. However, as I said earlier, I am willing to try.
jeanie on March 23, 2010 at 5:20 PM
I just can’t keep paying for the welfare of others. I’m all taxed out. The women who choose to have all these babies should be responsible and pay all their expenses. It’s expensive at the local level; added costs of teachers, buses and FREE lunch programs.
TN Mom on March 23, 2010 at 5:23 PM
The country did fine with NO income tax (with a brief exception) for more than 100 years.
There are a dozen other, more justice and more practical ways to finance a Federal government of the proper size.
The key, though, is not just to reduce the outrageous sums they steal and spend, but to legally limit what they can spend it on.
Even deeper, the solution to our political problems is not chiefly political, it is moral. Reverse the dominant ethics and the political problems will get solved in short order. But no amount of political changes will survive, even if they occur, so long as the culture continues to be so far from what it was 100 years ago.
JDPerren on March 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM
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