Whip count from “The Hill”: Everything depends on Stupak; Update: Stupak reaches deal with White House; Update: Eight or nine to vote yes; Update: Obama releases draft of executive order
posted at 3:22 pm on March 21, 2010 by Allahpundit
I thought for sure that Lincoln Davis and John Tanner voting no meant that Pelosi had made it and was now releasing vulnerable Dems, but it ain’t so.
Your move, Mr. Stupak.
If every member votes, Democratic leaders can only afford 37 defections. According to The Hill’s whip list, there are 39 Democrats planning to vote no.
Furthermore, The Hill also has eight Democrats in the undecided/unclear column: Reps Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.), Paul Kanjorski (Pa.), Alan Mollohan (W.Va.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Mike Quigley (Ill.), Bobby Rush (Ill.) and Loretta Sanchez (Calif.)…
Some believe there are a few lawmakers on The Hill’s Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No list who could vote yes, including Reps. Marion Berry (Ark.), Rick Boucher (Va.) and Mike McMahon (N.Y.) and perhaps others.
The problem for Pelosi is that is she gets Stupak on board, she may lose abortion rights legislators, such as Rep. Mike Quigley (Ill.).
CNN reported via Twitter that Pomeroy is a yes. Obviously the whip count is good news, but look: The liberals seem to be willing to agree to some sort of sham executive order on abortion to placate Stupak, and the Stupakers clearly do want to vote for this thing. In fact, Jon Ward of the Daily Caller caught this scene on the House floor within the last 90 minutes:
If my observation of Steny Hoyer’s interaction with Bart Stupak just now on the House floor is any indication, Stupak looks very much like a yes.
Stupak walked over to Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania Democrat, the liaison between leadership and pro-life Democrats. Moments later, Hoyer walked over.
Hoyer asked a question, listened to Stupak talk for a few moments, and then gave a very animated and enthusiastic slap with his right hand on the Stupak’s left arm. Hoyer, smiling and nodding, patted him on the shoulder, and then put his hand on the back of Stupak’s neck.
After a few more moments of conversation, Hoyer slapped Doyle on the back, gave a thumbs up and walked away.
Keep calling, by all means, but calibrate your expectations accordingly. As for the timeline, it looks like the big vote will come after 6 p.m. but could be pushed later depending upon how much time they need for negotiations. If the bill passes, the GOP will move to recommit and a vote on their motion will follow. NBC thinks that could make for high drama if the motion includes something on abortion to pressure the Stupakers, but I find it impossible to believe anyone would flip so quickly after having just bitten the bullet to vote on the bill itself. After the vote on the motion to recommit, they move on to vote on the reconciliation fixes, but at that point it’s all academic.
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Update: It’s 3:30 ET as I write this and Stupak’s set a presser for four. If the announcement’s more significant than “we’re still talking,” it’s probably to announce that they’re voting yes. Why announce a hard no hours before the vote when there’s still plenty of negotiation that could be done?
Update: Not sure what Drudge means by this, but it’s hail mary time:
FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing….
Update: The pro-choicers are wrangling with the White House and Stupak about the executive order on abortion. Sounds like they’re willing to go for it if the language can be done just right. Why Stupak thinks Obama wouldn’t simply rescind the EO later is beyond me, but maybe he wants to vote for this thing so badly by now that he’s willing to simply kick this issue down the road to give himself cover.
Update: Politico says there’s a deal:
The White House and anti-abortion Democrats have reached an agreement to defusethe controversy over abortion in the health reform bill – planning a series of steps that will secure the support of Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and other Democrats to give party leaders the votes they need to pass reform, sources tell POLITICO.
Under the agreement, President Barack Obama would sign an executive order ensuring that no federal funding will go to pay for abortion under the health reform plans. In addition, Stupak will get to state his concerns about abortion funding in the bill during a colloquy on the House floor during the debate.
And then, Stupak and several other Democratic hold-outs over abortion will sign on to the bill, the sources said…
Rep. Alan Mollohan, who is one of the votes in question, told POLITICO that the language in the agreement has already been essentially cleared. Mollohan said it is only a matter of time for “the follow-through steps” to be implemented.
So he caved for a wafer-thin executive order and a little floor time to praise life? Geez. Cheap date, Bart.
Update: The Hill hears there’s a deal too and says eight or nine will flip to yes. Rest assured, the final tally will still be 217-214. The question is which vulnerable Dems will now be allowed to flip to no.
“We’ve changed [our votes],” said Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-Ohio).
Driehaus said he’s seen the executive order and can now vote for the healthcare bill. He said Stupak has signed off, as well.
Update: Here’s the executive order that made ObamaCare possible.
Update: Andy McCarthy marvels at the irony:
I know we tire of the hypocrisy, but I really think this is remarkable. We spent the eight years through January 19, 2009, listening to Democrats complain that President Bush had purportedly caused a constitutional crisis by issuing signing statements when he signed bills into law. Democrats and Arlen Specter (now a Democrat) complained that these unenforceable, non-binding expressions of the executive’s interpretation of the laws Bush was signing were a usurpation Congress’s power to enact legislation…
[H]ow do we go from congressional Democrats claiming that signing statements were a shredding of the Constitution to congressional Democrats acquiescing in a claim that the president can enact or cancel out statutory law by diktat?
Update: Commenters are already talking up Dan Benishek, Stupak’s opponent in November. He won the last general election in his district by 30 points, but this race ain’t the last race, needless to say. Here’s Benishek’s Facebook page.









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Oh yeah, and now were’re going to have this PLUS those two.
29Victor on March 21, 2010 at 6:42 PM
On a very special Special Report with Bret Baier, Charles Krauthammer just said that Stupak has to know the EO is worthless. Stupak was the highest profile pro-lifer in the country and he caved on the single issue that came to define him. He’s toast.
Terrie on March 21, 2010 at 6:44 PM
Exploding heads all around. Good times ahead.
GrannyDee on March 21, 2010 at 6:45 PM
Only they won’t be able to fund any of them now that they did HCR first.
thomasaur on March 21, 2010 at 6:46 PM
*fistpumps in thread*
Norvell on March 21, 2010 at 6:47 PM
Or wait until businesses start letting people go because they can’t afford to buy insurance for employees … and those employees will still have to buy insurance or be fined.
Oh yeah … good times. All the young, stupid Obamabots are gonna blow a gasket.
darwin on March 21, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Yup, the next unemployment #’s should be interesting to hear Nan explain how this “is a jobs bill”. Other than Ins. Co’s, I bet the market tanks on monday. This is the greatest jobs killer since the Smoot-something-or-other tariff bill in the 30′s.
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 6:47 PM
You really have to wonder what Rahm Emanuel and Pelosi have on all these blue dogs that makes them so willing to commit suicide
neuquenguy on March 21, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Looks like the government will spend more money that we don’t have regardless of higher unemployment.
mobydutch on March 21, 2010 at 6:49 PM
I had someone tell me that when this passes it will be everyone will have free healthcare.
bloggless on March 21, 2010 at 6:49 PM
Cigna turned me down last Friday for pre-existing conditions. If the bill passes, when can I reapply?
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Unfortunately, the tires have already left the pavement.
ROCnPhilly on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Here’s something else to worry about when we take back Congress:
From Ace:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/299669.php
He just said what I’ve always worried about. Whoever get’s stuck in Congress after November (it will certainly be the Republicans) have an almost impossible paradox to resolve. This POS bill makes it almost impossible to fix the economy. Maybe the Dems want to lose for a reason.
AUINSC on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
That IS the general understanding of the issue.
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Sounds like you had the opportunity to speak with the stupidest person on earth.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Alot seem to 6think this..
Here is a silver lining that may torpedo the entire bill and Obamacare from ever becoming law:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2476312/posts
..may save the day. Can someone clarify, doesn’t this only nullify the “reconcilliation” aspect? Could this not then just be forwarded to the Prez as is, as both houses voted for it?
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Here is another link with more information on Stupak’s Republican opponent in November, assuming he wins the primary. I haven’t had time to research who is running in the primary besides this guy, a DOCTOR, a SURGEON. Zowie, we have a great candidate to support here!!
http://palinyoubetcha2012.com/wordpress/?p=9845
Please mail him a check right now. This is the best way we can make our feelings known, there are probably FCC quarterly filing requirements coming up for the end of the month. Let’s fill this guy’s campaign chest.
karenhasfreedom on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
They don’t have the money and it’s getting harder and harder for them to find buyers for the Treasuries that they are printing. They have run out of other peoples money.
thomasaur on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Wonder if he will be willing to say that in a few months when the IRS shows up at his door wanting to know why he has not purchased any of this “free” health care.
Dire Straits on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Stupak’s not stupid. He’s just not pro life.
jdp629 on March 21, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Someone is up for a surprise….
BTW, are those people still lining up in Michigang for some of that Obama cash? from his stash?
neuquenguy on March 21, 2010 at 6:52 PM
How can we take seriously the people who voted for Obama and are now upset with the health care bill?
I don’t think it’s overreach on Pelosi’s, or Obama’s, or Reid’s part; they’re not the delusional ones.
The delusional are the people who voted for Obama and are now upset with the Health Care bill etc.
You’re right that things will continue to change. I’m just not optimistic that we can repeal an entitlement. If we could, this whole Health Care bill wouldn’t be a big deal.
July 10 on March 21, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Surely, they didn’t mean free. They meant it would be paid out of Obama’s stash.
ROCnPhilly on March 21, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Mr. Hoyer, when that decade is over, you will be dead.
LEBA on March 21, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Gonna be hard to get her back on the pavement now that we’ve begun barrel rolls.
thomasaur on March 21, 2010 at 6:53 PM
K-Lo quotes a reader:
Terrie on March 21, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Yuppers…someone a’courtin a duck, er sumpin.
Chewy the Lab on March 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM
Sorry strike that, Krauthammer just explained it. If reconcilliation is invalid, it goes back to the house again. I’m sure the Dem’s will pleased to hear that!
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM
One exception—this legislation is unconstitutional on its face.
Rovin on March 21, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Where can I get some of what that person is smoking?
galvestonian on March 21, 2010 at 6:55 PM
It will be paid for with rainbows and faerie farts.
July 10 on March 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM
Yes, we have a long way to go – especially with States’ rights.
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM
LMAO!!! I gotta remember that one!
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Is there usually applause when people speak on the floor?
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 6:57 PM
So Terrie, do you think Bart
SimpsonStupek is aware of this? Does it matter to him, or is he looking at those cool, blue dollars that are being deposited into his offshore account courtesy of that great patriot, George Soros? O’course, I do remember the Obama admin. talking about closing those off shore tax loopholes….right?????/sarcYou go, girlfriend!
Chewy the Lab on March 21, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Hoyer: “mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom”
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Hoyer: “Angry people at the Capitol.”
Why are they always angry?
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 6:59 PM
I think reconciliation is irrelevant. They got what they wanted in the Senate bill. They can now start building on top of it. But my guess is they will keep everything related to health care as quiet as they can until after the election. It is up to the Republicans to keep building onto the public’s outrage from now until Nov.
neuquenguy on March 21, 2010 at 7:00 PM
They don’t have the money and it’s getting harder and harder for them to find buyers for the Treasuries that they are printing. They have run out of other peoples money.
thomasaur on March 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Yup, Thatcher word’s have never proved truer than we are witnessing Treaswuries being issued. They have been gaming the system the last 2, with the Treasury offering, TARP banks acting as buyer of last resort, and having the Fed releive them of it 10 days later at 9:35AM like clockwork.
In essence buying our own debt, in the private sector it is known as FRAUD!
They can only play this game so long, as we have seen with the Chinese & Japanese starting to unload as fast as possible with imploding their own investment.
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Instead of working with the Democrats to craft a HCR bill that would help people in need of coverage, the Republicans craved only to deliver the President a defeat.
Tonight their hands are empty.
Waterloo just ain’t what it used to be…
chumpThreads on March 21, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Lookee here folks.. A unicorn just showed up on my doorstep hold a bag of free healthcare in his mouth. What are all those guys wearing shades and toting guns doing in my driveway?
Dire Straits on March 21, 2010 at 7:01 PM
DEAL! 38 states…YES!
LEBA on March 21, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Sorry.
Dire Straits on March 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM
These crooks have thumbed their nose at the Constitution one time too many. A LOT of these spineless bustards will get to enjoy the “funemployment” that you’ve been exacerbating for years with reckless spending and zero accountability.
November can’t come soon enough.
hillbillyjim on March 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM
But the House Dems will be forced to run on and defending the Cornhusker kickback and the Louisana Purchase now since the bill apparanently cannot be reconciled because of social security.
technopeasant on March 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Waxman: Affordable health care for everyone.
Translation: Someone else pays for my healthcare. Therefore I can afford it.
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM
And they have more on them now – is Pelosi tied to the mob, by chance ? same tactics
runner on March 21, 2010 at 7:04 PM
doughnut hole impact gone within a decade..according to Waxman…but all the folks he’s talking to will be DEAD in a decade!
LEBA on March 21, 2010 at 7:04 PM
One exception—this legislation is unconstitutional on its face.
Rovin on March 21, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Absolutely irrelevant, as we saw with the abrogation of contract law with GM & Chrysler. Dismantlement of our constitution is, as progressives since Wilson, their primary objective.
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 7:04 PM
Do it!
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 7:05 PM
but no doctors to practice it – dems think of everything !
runner on March 21, 2010 at 7:05 PM
Life News has a list of quotes blasting this Stupak deal. I thought you’d like to hear this one of many. (Emphasis added):
Pro-Life Groups Blast Executive Order Deal Between Stupak, Barack Obama
INC on March 21, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Dingell… dude it’s past your
bedretirement time.WhoU4 on March 21, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Dingel seems to think that Democrats were responsible for Civil Rights. Poor guy – delusional – rewrites history.
Mr_Magoo on March 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM
Dingell: you’re a dingdong! What a stupid little man he is.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM
You are a liar, and not a very good one, at that.
The Democrats are the ones that shut the Republicans out of the entire process, and everyone but you, it seems, knows this to be true.
hillbillyjim on March 21, 2010 at 7:09 PM
but you don’t understand jim, “working with the Democrats” means grabbing your ankles every time one approaches
neuquenguy on March 21, 2010 at 7:14 PM
Kind OT, but there’s a poll at MSNBC online about how the bill will affect you, and more than half are oh so unhappy.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 7:17 PM
I just hate all this uncertainty. And if this thing passes, there will be even more uncertainty. I really want to build a house in a couple of years. I feel like I can’t do anything until things are more stable. It really pisses me off that this @ssclown-in-chief is ruining my well-laid plans. Maybe I should just throw in the towel and build the house on the beach in Costa Rica instead. My cost of living there would be similar to what it is here; I’d just really have to hustle for enough freelance clients to pay all the bills. Eff you, Barack Obama. You’re making my life a living hell.
She, but thanks! ;o)
NoLeftTurn on March 21, 2010 at 7:17 PM
So can it be assumed that all of you against this legislation will refuse to partake of any of its benefits?
Will you kick your children off your policy when they reach age 22?
Will you decline to sign your child up for insurance if he/she has a pre-existing condition?
I suspect those of you whining loudest will be the first to line up for the benefits.
chumpThreads on March 21, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Stupak, you better hire a food taster . . .
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Meh. This thing doesn’t start handing out rainbows and lollipops until 2014. The elections of 2010 and 2012 will be about repealing this monstrosity — and absolutely nothing else. “REPEAL! REPEAL! REPEAL! SAVE AMERICAN HEALTH CARE!” That’s all we’re going to hear. Hell, by the time the 2012 campaign’s over, Obama himself will be promising to repeal this sh*t sandwich in a pathetic effort to save himself. It will be repealed, and it will be done with great drama as the new Republican president signs it exactly 5 minutes after he takes the oath of office in January 2013.
Oh, and those Obama voters? When they aren’t issuing apologies, scraping bumper stickers off their cars and hanging their heads in shame, they’re lying and saying they voted for the other guy. He is the most hated man in America tonight, and it’s only going to get worse.
Rational Thought on March 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I would rather die than take welfare in any way, shape or form, and that’s what this bill is.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 7:21 PM
That tough choice we face could destroy us as a Movement. Then they come in with an innocent smile and say ‘We Liberals didn’t cause this, but we can fix it.’
Holger on March 21, 2010 at 7:22 PM
You can speak for me. I feel the same way.
NoLeftTurn on March 21, 2010 at 7:27 PM
At least you say that. I’d be interested to see if you’d have the courage of your convictions if you were ever put to the test.
chumpThreads on March 21, 2010 at 7:28 PM
I asked this on the “kitchen sink/lawsuits thread but there is not enough traffic to ellicit an answer, so I’ll try here…
I’m not a lawyer, so can someone answer this, if the lawsuits are successful isn’t only the offending portion stricken from the law, ie- the mandate to purchase?
Then this still forces the insurance Co’s to accept the additional burdens without the benefit of added revenues. Thus driving them into bankruptcy and leaving the guv insurer of last resort, or single payer. The stated end game of the Dem’s all along!
As I’ve warned for months, these people are not amatuer or stupid, but are incredibly devious.
Any lawyers care to comment?
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Archimedes on March 21, 2010 at 7:31 PM
apples and oranges my friend. Big difference between corporate law and individual rights. While you are certainly correct on their objective, I think along with the state’s rights, the individual mandates/penalties will be challenged with extreme merits where the government has over-stepped their boundries.
Rovin on March 21, 2010 at 7:36 PM
I was put to the test. I was laid off in 2007, returned to college to pick up another degree, ran out of unemployment, could’ve gone on welfare. I didin’t. I went from making over $50k to taking a min. wage job, and also took out loans. Like I said, I’d rather die than go on the dole. It’s shameful, immoral and undiginifed.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 7:38 PM
Yas, yas, all very courageous of you. Now, do you want to answer the questions I posed? Let me refresh your memory:
Anyone?
chumpThreads on March 21, 2010 at 7:38 PM
Now all we need is a SCOTUS that we can trust not to repeat a ruling similar to Kelo v. New London.
thomasaur on March 21, 2010 at 7:39 PM
I believe there are 5 members of the United States Supreme Court who were forced to sit stone-faced while the Marxist-in-chief wagged his bony finger at them and ridiculed them who will be only too happy to hand him his ass when this thing lands on their desks.
Rational Thought on March 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Can’t answer the last question: I am childless. However, a person who is 22 should be able to take care of themselves. They are adults for crying out loud, not small children.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 7:41 PM
This whole enterprise is so far from Constitutional, it will prove that our Republic is broken beyond all measure if the SCOTUS doesn’t dismantle it piecemeal or in toto when the various lawsuits eventually get there.
hillbillyjim on March 21, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Meh…maybe not ‘the first to line up’, but no foul in taking advantage of the system while it lasts, because soon enough there won’t be anything left at all.
This is a little different scenario than usual; when the triple-cross is complete, people like you and me are going to be totally hosed.
Dark-Star on March 21, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Usually, yes, but in times like this I know people who are 30 and over who’ve moved back in out of desperation…it was either that or stand in a soup line with street rats and lifelong welfare scum.
Dark-Star on March 21, 2010 at 7:42 PM
WHINE
I hope you can hear me, and please hear me when I say that I will refuse everybit of this…I have seen the bottom of the barrel and refused welfare before and I’m still standing. My daughter turned 19 in Feb and I kicked her off my health ins. I must be a monster huh?
Funny thing is, she wants to play adult, and I think she gets to act like one all the way. A 22, 24, or even 26yo is not a child. My middle child will enter ASU in the fall and will stay on our policy so long as she stays in school. She leaves school and I’ll happily kick her sorry butt off too. However, being in school past the age of 18 does not mean I owe them anything. I choose to keep, or not, them on. They choose to stay in school or head out to play house and take full responsibility for their lives.
I will neither line up for anything nor will I encourage anyone else to. I will do whatever I can to avoid paying for cousin pooky, and you Chump, to enjoy the fruits of my labor as well.
I, for one, do not believe there will be any BENEFITS to this joke.
mauioriginal on March 21, 2010 at 7:45 PM
Troll much?
Your idiotic question will be moot anyway if the bozos in D.C. don’t do something soon toward actual job creation (rather than nonsensical green-job fantasies and the like). All of the government jobs being created will not be sustainable if unemployment keeps draining tax revenues on the federal, state and local level.
Reality is a bitch.
hillbillyjim on March 21, 2010 at 7:45 PM
Troll much?
Your idiotic question will be moot anyway if the bozos in D.C. don’t do something soon toward actual job creation (rather than nonsensical green-job fantasies and the like). All of the government jobs being created will not be sustainable if unemployment keeps draining tax revenues on the federal, state and local level.
Reality is a b!tch.
hillbillyjim on March 21, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Okay, fellow HotAir Heads. Let’s start working on booting Kookcinich out of office.
Defeat Dennis Kucinich! – Elect W. Benjamin Franklin for Congress Ohio 10th District in 2010!
http://www.resistnet.com/group/congressionaldistrict10ohio/forum/topics/defeat-dennis-kucinich-elect-1?commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2097238&xg_source=activity&groupId=2600775%3AGroup%3A483515
GrannyDee on March 21, 2010 at 7:49 PM
I’ve read some precedent where only the offending language is stricken from the legislation, yet the case was not nearly as ambivalent as we are facing now. Further, if this portion of the bill is deemed, (god, now I suddenly love that word), illegal, it could destoy the funding mechanism. Like the Dems did to the Viet Nam war, no funding, no war.
Rovin on March 21, 2010 at 7:49 PM
Not on Monday. The Market will most likely have an up tic on Monday and tank by Friday.
DSchoen on March 21, 2010 at 7:50 PM
I give you credit for your honesty. I don’t think you’re a monster. You’re just a conservative.
chumpThreads on March 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Translation: “I’m afraid to answer the questions because it will reveal me to be a hypocrite.”
chumpThreads on March 21, 2010 at 7:55 PM
Prolife my butt! Didn’t anybody catch this? Think it’s related? Hmmmm http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/mi01_stupak/morenews/20100319faagrant.html
conmo on March 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM
While I would prefer the SC to decide this case with no predudice, I’m inclined to agree with your assumption. Wouldn’t it be sweet to see Obama eat those words along with his proletariat.
Rovin on March 21, 2010 at 7:57 PM
The d idiots screwed us with Fannie & Freddie and now blame us. when this crap starts up they’ll try to do the same thing. This time WE CAN NOT JUST SIT THERE AND TAKE IT. Call them out now, loud and with the FACTS!
conmo on March 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM
I WILL NOT COMPLY !
Come and get me !
I’m an armed Texan… fair warning.
ooops, plz don’t ban me !!
pambi on March 21, 2010 at 8:06 PM
I don’t have children, so your question is irrelevant in my case. I have in the past forgone food stamps and gov’t assistance when I could have easily gotten them. Some of us have values and integrity; I am not worried for myself, as I can live off the land if need be.
You know nothing.
hillbillyjim on March 21, 2010 at 8:13 PM
So the Democrats appear to be set to succeed in forcing a crap sandwich down our throats. Just another way they can pursue their redistribution of wealth agenda. More of my hard earned money going to support those lazy scumbags that want a free ride in life. Just great!
galvestonian on March 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM
DAVIS: Idolitrous Statism..YES!
LEBA on March 21, 2010 at 8:17 PM
July 10 on March 21, 2010 at 5:29 PM
When he ran in his district, the people who voted for him, i.e. the constituents you keep bringing up, voted for him as a pro-life Dem. He betrayed his pro-life stand today. There. Are you satisifed now?
PS he also betrayed his principles that HE said he had. He betrayed the babies that HE said he wanted to protect. We are referring to things HE said he believed in.-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on March 21, 2010 at 8:18 PM
I WILL NOT COMPLY! Come and get me! I am an armed SCarolinian…fair warning.
LEBA on March 21, 2010 at 8:20 PM
I see the mandate to buy health insurance possibly getting very ugly. I know a number of people who wouldn’t think twice about taking matters like this into their own hands.
galvestonian on March 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM
This just in from @toddstarnes on Twitter:
WesternActor on March 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM
I’m childless as well, and pretty glad of it now that I see what’s coming down the pike. I got booted off my mother’s insurance plan when I was 22. Seemed reasonable to both of us at the time since I was a college graduate and perfectly capable of paying the rest of the bills in my life. There were periods in my 20s when I chose to go without insurance — much to my mother’s horror (she was big about not taking any chances). But it isn’t like it wasn’t available to me if I wanted to partake of it. This was when I was in law school. I could have bought in to the plan the school arranged for us for something like $500/yr. A real bargain, but I opted to roll the dice: My choice as an American, I thought.
The troll on duty is a dunce if it thinks most people won’t way the cost/benefit of “partaking” vs. not and then choose to do the latter. I’m pretty happy with my current plan b/c it allows me to sock money away in my HSA. When they outlaw HSAs — and they will — and when my premium goes up to a price I’m no longer willing to pay, you’d better believe I will cancel it and go without unless the day comes when I need the coverage, and I’ll re-enroll at that time. Why the hell would I pay for something now when I don’t need it? I’ll just wait til I do. Only a stupid person would pay for a policy when they could pay the fine instead and still have plenty of money left over and a guarantee that they will get coverage when they need it.
NoLeftTurn on March 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM
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NoLeftTurn on March 21, 2010 at 8:36 PM
I guess that’s the part I don’t get. On the one hand he says he’s “pro-life” and on the other hand he’s a member of a party that enacts legislation to help kill unborn children.
It’s much more likely that Stupak just loves attention and will say anything to get elected. So he fancies himself as this magical creature called the “Pro-Life Democrat.”
I’m just surprised that people feel a Democrat has betrayed them when he votes for legislation along with other Democrats. It’s almost as if they believed his “pro-life” words were more important than his actions (being a Democrat.)
July 10 on March 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM
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