Whip count from “The Hill”: Everything depends on Stupak; Update: Stupak reaches deal with White House; Update: Eight or nine to vote yes; Update: Obama releases draft of executive order
posted at 3:22 pm on March 21, 2010 by Allahpundit
I thought for sure that Lincoln Davis and John Tanner voting no meant that Pelosi had made it and was now releasing vulnerable Dems, but it ain’t so.
Your move, Mr. Stupak.
If every member votes, Democratic leaders can only afford 37 defections. According to The Hill’s whip list, there are 39 Democrats planning to vote no.
Furthermore, The Hill also has eight Democrats in the undecided/unclear column: Reps Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.), Paul Kanjorski (Pa.), Alan Mollohan (W.Va.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Mike Quigley (Ill.), Bobby Rush (Ill.) and Loretta Sanchez (Calif.)…
Some believe there are a few lawmakers on The Hill’s Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No list who could vote yes, including Reps. Marion Berry (Ark.), Rick Boucher (Va.) and Mike McMahon (N.Y.) and perhaps others.
The problem for Pelosi is that is she gets Stupak on board, she may lose abortion rights legislators, such as Rep. Mike Quigley (Ill.).
CNN reported via Twitter that Pomeroy is a yes. Obviously the whip count is good news, but look: The liberals seem to be willing to agree to some sort of sham executive order on abortion to placate Stupak, and the Stupakers clearly do want to vote for this thing. In fact, Jon Ward of the Daily Caller caught this scene on the House floor within the last 90 minutes:
If my observation of Steny Hoyer’s interaction with Bart Stupak just now on the House floor is any indication, Stupak looks very much like a yes.
Stupak walked over to Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania Democrat, the liaison between leadership and pro-life Democrats. Moments later, Hoyer walked over.
Hoyer asked a question, listened to Stupak talk for a few moments, and then gave a very animated and enthusiastic slap with his right hand on the Stupak’s left arm. Hoyer, smiling and nodding, patted him on the shoulder, and then put his hand on the back of Stupak’s neck.
After a few more moments of conversation, Hoyer slapped Doyle on the back, gave a thumbs up and walked away.
Keep calling, by all means, but calibrate your expectations accordingly. As for the timeline, it looks like the big vote will come after 6 p.m. but could be pushed later depending upon how much time they need for negotiations. If the bill passes, the GOP will move to recommit and a vote on their motion will follow. NBC thinks that could make for high drama if the motion includes something on abortion to pressure the Stupakers, but I find it impossible to believe anyone would flip so quickly after having just bitten the bullet to vote on the bill itself. After the vote on the motion to recommit, they move on to vote on the reconciliation fixes, but at that point it’s all academic.
Stand by for updates. And please, while I know people are angry and apt to say things they don’t really mean in the heat of the moment, think carefully before you post. The more time Ed and I need to devote to moderating comments, the less time we have to post links and updates. If you see someone violating the terms of use, we’d be grateful if you e-mailed us at tips -at- hotair.com. Thanks in advance.
Update: It’s 3:30 ET as I write this and Stupak’s set a presser for four. If the announcement’s more significant than “we’re still talking,” it’s probably to announce that they’re voting yes. Why announce a hard no hours before the vote when there’s still plenty of negotiation that could be done?
Update: Not sure what Drudge means by this, but it’s hail mary time:
FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing….
Update: The pro-choicers are wrangling with the White House and Stupak about the executive order on abortion. Sounds like they’re willing to go for it if the language can be done just right. Why Stupak thinks Obama wouldn’t simply rescind the EO later is beyond me, but maybe he wants to vote for this thing so badly by now that he’s willing to simply kick this issue down the road to give himself cover.
Update: Politico says there’s a deal:
The White House and anti-abortion Democrats have reached an agreement to defusethe controversy over abortion in the health reform bill – planning a series of steps that will secure the support of Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and other Democrats to give party leaders the votes they need to pass reform, sources tell POLITICO.
Under the agreement, President Barack Obama would sign an executive order ensuring that no federal funding will go to pay for abortion under the health reform plans. In addition, Stupak will get to state his concerns about abortion funding in the bill during a colloquy on the House floor during the debate.
And then, Stupak and several other Democratic hold-outs over abortion will sign on to the bill, the sources said…
Rep. Alan Mollohan, who is one of the votes in question, told POLITICO that the language in the agreement has already been essentially cleared. Mollohan said it is only a matter of time for “the follow-through steps” to be implemented.
So he caved for a wafer-thin executive order and a little floor time to praise life? Geez. Cheap date, Bart.
Update: The Hill hears there’s a deal too and says eight or nine will flip to yes. Rest assured, the final tally will still be 217-214. The question is which vulnerable Dems will now be allowed to flip to no.
“We’ve changed [our votes],” said Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-Ohio).
Driehaus said he’s seen the executive order and can now vote for the healthcare bill. He said Stupak has signed off, as well.
Update: Here’s the executive order that made ObamaCare possible.
Update: Andy McCarthy marvels at the irony:
I know we tire of the hypocrisy, but I really think this is remarkable. We spent the eight years through January 19, 2009, listening to Democrats complain that President Bush had purportedly caused a constitutional crisis by issuing signing statements when he signed bills into law. Democrats and Arlen Specter (now a Democrat) complained that these unenforceable, non-binding expressions of the executive’s interpretation of the laws Bush was signing were a usurpation Congress’s power to enact legislation…
[H]ow do we go from congressional Democrats claiming that signing statements were a shredding of the Constitution to congressional Democrats acquiescing in a claim that the president can enact or cancel out statutory law by diktat?
Update: Commenters are already talking up Dan Benishek, Stupak’s opponent in November. He won the last general election in his district by 30 points, but this race ain’t the last race, needless to say. Here’s Benishek’s Facebook page.









Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: 1 2 3 … 13 Next »
OR later, depending on whether or not they have the votes by then.
Sharke on March 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Oh no.
Mr. Joe on March 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Yeah, I think Stupak is just putting off the heat for voting YES as long as possible…they’ve got a deal or we wouldn’t be here right now.
AUINSC on March 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM
If this passes, I’m going to have to pay more money to fake bake. Goodness, I thought I was getting taxed enough!!
deidre on March 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Prepare for a sellout by all Dems…..THEN be thankful to God if America survives and it goes down in flames!!!!
God help us!!!
PappyD61 on March 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Stupak calls a presser at 4pm
artist on March 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM
A long, long time ago…
I can still remember
How that that Cowboy used to make us smile.
But the GOP ignored ol’ Ron’s stance
And McCain never had a chance
And a “good man” took over for a while.
But the march voting made me shiver
With every new post thor delivered.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.
I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about Stupak’s slide,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the country died…
Mr. Joe on March 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM
A complete restructuring of 1/6th of the economy that affects every family in the nation should not depend on the fickle whims of one member, it should have the popular support of the majority of the people. This is insanity.
Marcus on March 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM
Stupak is going to vote for it and then complain in 3 months how the WH isn’t keeping the deal they made.
deidre on March 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM
I promise to wash my mouth out with soap before commenting further!
kringeesmom on March 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM
“less”
Apologies for pedantry.
anuts on March 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM
That picture of Pelosi with that big sledgehammer…which she’ll use to hammer the Constitution into the dirt…makes me want to wretch. On a good note, that’s gonna make a great political ad in a few months to hammer the Dems with.
AUINSC on March 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM
We saw this with the bailout package.
The “15-minute vote” will stay open well into the night, if they don’t have the votes. Sigh. Our only hope is that this gets kicked back to the Senate for another round of delays, or the states make good on their threats to sink this thing in the courts.
I, for one, am going to put on a smile and watch the Democrats sign their own November death warrants. A “no” vote is just as good as a “yes” vote, if the bill ends up becoming law.
KingGold on March 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM
recent post at NRO.
Wethal on March 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM
We are living in strange times…it snowed this morning in the deep South. Are there more surprises to come?
d1carter on March 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM
In other words, what we may have thought were Stupak’s morals were simply bargaining chips.
AubieJon on March 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM
The country may be going down the toilet, but Glenn Beck’s radio show is gonna be off the chain tomorrow.
Trent1289 on March 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM
So the Nanny from Franny walked like a queen , passing by the lowly unwashed masses, with her scepter and courtiers, but where was her crown ? Maybe next time
macncheez on March 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM
This does not seem to be a good development per this:
The last holdout ends up with the sweetest deal, I suppose. Look for it.
anuts on March 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Obamacare Update As We Brace For Showdown Vote
Please call, e-mail, and fax every voter that is undecided or on the fence. Other than that, all we can do is pray.
dnlchisholm on March 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Stupak isn’t actually pro-life pro-life.
Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
I am watching the nascar race. The pre-race show was very patriotic, they said teh pledge of allegiance, the military had a quartert that sang the national anthem, and the Lee person sang his song, “God Bless the USA”. That helped.
I don’t think I could survive today watching the newschannels.
karenhasfreedom on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Frogs and Scorpions.
csdeven on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
The closer this gets to number needed the harder it will be to convince someone to be the deciding vote.
Deanna on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Well, stupak, don’t YOU feel special? You are but a few who can crater our nation or not.
L
letget on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Glenn Beck’s radio show is gonna be off the chain tomorrow.
Trent1289 on March 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM
No doubt.
I’d like to hear from those that said he was a bit kooky.
Vision.
artist on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
thanks for posting that AP. Warnings, yellow flags, and ghostly pulled comments are likely enough to keep the peeps in line.
–peep known to get out of line ;)
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Stupak will announce vote at 4pm press conference…
I hope you have your hard hats on, it’s going to be a cave in.
Enoxo on March 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Hey, Stupak, see how Granny McBotox is laughing in that picture with her big gavel? She’s laughing at you and your “pro-life” group of Congressmen. She can’t believe what simple-minded suckers you are. Neither can we. A “promise” from Barack Obama? Really? You deserve every bit of misery that will be visted upon you from now until Election Day. Mostly for just being a dumbass.
Rational Thought on March 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Just wake me up when it’s all over.
Emily M. on March 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Everything depends on how much Americans are willing to tolerate.
Speakup on March 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
The problem with this is, even if we retake both houses of congress this likely can’t be repealed. I fear we are stuck with this turkey.
armygirl on March 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
DRUDGE
Wethal on March 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Kathryn Lopez just posted this at The Corner:
EnglishMike on March 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Can’t wait until 1/3/11 when she has to hand the gavel over to Boehner.
Wethal on March 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Ed and Allah,
I know you try hard with the comments, but Dem politicians routinely say we want to kill people, we are racists, we are evil. I would compare that to the people who comment here.
rob verdi on March 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM
As a means to say “let’s get on with this and vote on it.”
No means “No”—at least that’s what the libs want girls to tell their boyfriends when they’re going to far…
same same here, right?
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
I hope no one is really relying on someone who calls themselves pro-life, but is still a democrat, to have strong character. The fact that he’s still a democrat tells you everything you need to know about him.
Security Mom on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
America as a 3rd world country won’t be so bad! I’ve lived in a 3rd world country and, while you don’t have crap and there’s no hope for personal betterment, there is always that dream that one day you can go to…….
America.
Whoops! Nevermind!
David2.0 on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
And he will STILL think he deserves kudos for being gullible.
katiejane on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
I posted this in the other thread. On Drudge – a glimmer of hope????
gophergirl on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Man, is that ever dead on…
Dopenstrange on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Is Glenn Beck’s show on XM radio? If so, what channel and what time? I will be in the car all day tomorrow driving. Good day to pick, all of the talk shows will be hopping.
karenhasfreedom on March 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Well, Stupak sucks. I do mean that even though it is in the heat of the moment. He’s a wimp and a man without true convictions after all. I am not surprised because, after all, he is a DEM.
Oink on March 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM
That is a strong likelihood.
anuts on March 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Morals? Really? I had never assumed that.
29Victor on March 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Please Stupak, have a conscious!!! Vote what will make you sleep better at night, PLEASE!!!
deidre on March 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM
we should flood twitter with “vote no”
cubbieblue25 on March 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Yeah, at the end of the day, he’s still a Dem. And they always go the wrong way in the end.
AUINSC on March 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Oh, the majority of the people will learn to love it. And by “love it” I mean never be able to get rid of it once it’s passed.
July 10 on March 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM
I wish Stupak would cut with the f*cking teasing. But maybe he likes being in the driver’s seat and all the face-time that goes with it more than he cares about the unborn.
ProfessorMiao on March 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM
the cracks widen….the water gushes through the hull…the lifeboats are being loaded…. all the male Democrats first… deck chairs are neatly arranged…//
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM
I like this message much better than the one from last night. All and all, I think all of these treads have been clean and classy, which is what I have come to expect from this community. Hopefully political correctness will not invade this site like the parasite it is.
Keemo on March 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Please Stupak, have a conscious!!! Vote what will make you sleep better at night, PLEASE!!!
deidre on March 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM
I’m so very tired of all this elaborate dance routine. Everyone knows what this thing is. Either vote for it or don’t vote for it already. Let me get on with hitting the bottle, drinking a nice Irish whiskey in remembrance of America I used to live in.
radar g on March 21, 2010 at 3:37 PM
Yeap… if they vote for this I hope they only give them a 1 vote win… and voice their worried about abortion funding through the community health centers loudly…
One of the big problems with the executive order IMO is the fact that the first thing Obama did in office was to rescind the Mexico City Policy… I might take Obama seriously if he reversed himself there…
ninjapirate on March 21, 2010 at 3:37 PM
Perhaps he knows/realizes the EO is BS.
And maybe he wants to flip to Republican.
Whatever. B@st@rds.
tru2tx on March 21, 2010 at 3:37 PM
Dude????
deidre on March 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM
See the alliances made all around
Let the bargains abound
Life is cold
And the game is getting old
Just see how virtue repays you
You turn your back and someone betrays you
Betray him first
And the game’s reversed!
For we all are caught in the middle
Of one long treacherous riddle
Can I trust you?
Should you trust me too?
We shamble on through this hell
Taking on more deals to sell
Till there comes a day when we sell our souls away!
PercyB on March 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM
From Major Garrett:
AUINSC on March 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM
I think that would be filed under “who cares?” in Alcee Hastings cabinet.
anuts on March 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Prior to this debacle, I didn’t know Bart Stupak from Bart Simpson. However, I reject this “he’s just a Dem and he’ll cave” talk–because, at the end of the day, if he stands by the convictions that he’s already made clear, then he’ll have shown himself to be a man of character.
Validation time.
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM
If Stupak casts the deciding vote to socialize America, his name will be spat upon for generations.
jjrakman on March 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM
While I would like to believe Stupak will do the right thing, he has said he want to vote for this bill because it is in the best interests of Americans. Not likely he would change to the Republican party.
sandee on March 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM
I peg Stupak as an opportunistic little worm that has finally reached his breaking point.
rplat on March 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM
HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME, I’M IMPORTANT
– B. Stupak
angryed on March 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM
every time there are clouds, doesn’t mean that it rains Major.
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM
According to his website, he’s on channel 165, 9a-noon ET.
Trent1289 on March 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Saw that….what does it mean??? Can’t be something the Dems put in to help them…. I don’t understand.
tru2tx on March 21, 2010 at 3:41 PM
I don’t put my hopes in the Dems in the House, abortion or not. But it will be interesting to watch them vote on the Senate Bill before the Reconciliation Bill now that the order has been changed.. silly Pelosi and Slaughter still thought they could hide vote by reordering the Bills even after their deem and pass was made moot and void. The House Dems have to know that the Reconciliation Bill is not going to make it through the Senate without being sent back for changes and Obama is going to have to sign the Senate Bill into law if he wants something to sign. If that happens, November is going to be a HISTORIC event like Pelosi has never seen.
Texas Gal on March 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM
There will be three votes. Only the third one matters.
percysunshine on March 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM
for whom?
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM
Major could be wrong. If Stupak was smart, he would wait to the bitter end to cast his vote.
sandee on March 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM
Everyone supposedly gets their 15 minutes. I hope he uses it wisely.
sherry on March 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM
Nicely done PercyB.
Mr. Joe on March 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Twitter news
msmveritas on March 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Just like the White House!
KSgop on March 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Cao better not cave.
deidre on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
i agree. better the bitter end than the bitter beginning.
I have faith we will have a monday filled with comedy gold.
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
That’s a rule, and the rules don’t mean anything anymore.
Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Wow, HA servers must be melting down now.
AUINSC on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Is it a coincidence that this falls on “Alien Abduction Day”?
djaymick on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Politico is reporting Stupak and the WH reached an agreement on the EO. He’s a yes, and prolly some of his posse.
theenforser on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Oh this is to good to believe!!
Yo,Stupak hows it look’n,see any icebergs from the crows
nest,Obama has been running full-speed ahead,let us know
if an iceberg is visiable,
meanwhile,the Republicans stripped Team Hopey’s Titanic
of the healthcare lifeboats,
meanwhile,the Liberal band palys on……
A Night to Remember: Titanic hits iceberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIoom4k8If0
canopfor on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
If this crap passes he is going to get the blame anyway.
Dire Straits on March 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM
To be…….
or not to be……….
Judas yes,Judas no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
I think I am going out to take a nice long run in the cold Texas wind. It is the only think I can think of to take my mind off this debacle.
armygirl on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Prepare to die, melting bunny!
fiatboomer on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
the ship of state lists hard to port…. there is confusion as reps gasp for water, groping, reaching, clawing for air…. the dream they’ve had for sooo long… gets further and further away…. cry sniff cry sniff waah
ted c on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Politico is usually full of s**t.
sandee on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
I have shut off Fox News, I will not watch as it is covers the victory dance of the near senile lady speaker from San Francisco and a leftist professor president celebrating the claiming of one of our freedoms.
I don’t know how this perfect storm of weakness snuck up on us but it did and now we pay.
See you all in the gulch.
FireBlogger on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
My thoughts exactly. By all means, pressure the man but do not presume to pass judgment on him simply by political party affiliation. The fact of the matter is this stage of the dance is almost over. The bill going through or not will not be the end.
Shogun144 on March 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Will Stupak,make the sacrifice…..
and save Lady Liberty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 21, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Well I’m no expert but if I had to hazard a guess – the Democrats screwed up royally and the GOP just found it.
gophergirl on March 21, 2010 at 3:46 PM
I hate to break it to you guys, but the “Democrat party” is a marketing sham – Democrat in the USA means Communist at worst or Socialist at best. This has been what they have been after for YEARS. They made it and they WILL follow through. This is why Spector’s defection (He actually unmasked himself – we always knew) was soooo bad and the reason he needs to pay a significant price for his betrayal.
Bottom line – the last few weeks have been a sham. It was always ging to end this way. When the vote happens, it will be by a very slim margin to protect the deception of the Democrats (“Ohhh – it was soo close” they will say on NBC – “But the people have spoken”). THEY WERE ALWAYS GOING TO DO THIS. THIS IS HOW SOCIALIST AND SOCIALISM WORKS.
I am just sick that the Bishops supported ANY part of this. Because they supported “Social Justice” we will now have socialism and all of the ugly things that comes with it like abortions, eugenics, etc. This is what happens when you make a deal with the devil.
blaque jacques on March 21, 2010 at 3:46 PM
We could be looking at “The Stupak Riots of 2010.”
Rational Thought on March 21, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Watch out for the spiders, they eat people down there you know.
Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM
I am loving my fellow patriots in DC protesting this travesty! KILL THE BILL!
Babino on March 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM
Comment pages: 1 2 3 … 13 Next »