“Health care to nowhere”

posted at 11:49 am on March 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The main selling point, at least to Democrats, of the ObamaCare bill comes in its promise to insure most of the uninsured in America, through mandates (for the uninsured by choice) and through a dramatic expansion of Medicaid (for the uninsured by poverty).  The latter group, which comprises about 14 million people, will become eligible for the program that combines federal and state resources for health insurance.  But will they actually get medical care because of it?  According to the governors of the states that run these programs, it’s doubtful it will actually help at all — and will bankrupt the states in the process:

But the states are having a hard time now and many say even a small share of insuring 16 million more Medicaid patients down the road will be tough.

“Every member of Congress will be hearing from their governor, from every political person in their state saying we don’t have the money,” said Jospeh Antos, a health care scholar with the American Enterprise Institute.

He added that Medicaid isn’t the ideal way to expand coverage.

“The point is not for everyone to get insurance, but for everyone to get good health care and Medicaid already has a problem in that regard,” said Antos.

He told Fox News that pushing 16 million more into that system will stress it to the breaking point. That’s because Medicaid reimburses so far below private insurance — even below Medicare — that Medicaid patients have trouble even finding a doctor.

“You can wait a very, very long time,” Antos said. “People talk about the problem with waiting lines, and rationing and so on. It’s happening right now in the Medicaid program.”

Indeed it is, and for the very reasons we have noted that ObamaCare will exacerbate for the rest of us.  Not only will it encourage more utilization of health-care resources, it will create a money-losing demand on providers that will result in fewer resources for exponentially more people.  The problems of access won’t get solved by this expansion; it will make the problem worse.

The states already know this:

Recent reports show doctors dropping patients because they were actually losing money on every visit. But the states are even more worried because they share the cost of Medicaid with the federal government.

“This is going to be a financial disaster for the states,” said Rhode Island Gov. Donald Carcieri. “Every state right now is battling Medicaid costs. After education aid, Medicaid is the next largest cost for every state.”

That is such a concern, it led to some of the biggest controversies of the entire reform effort. Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., won what became known as the Cornhusker kickback in which the federal government was to pay Nebraska’s share of Medicaid forever. That brought howls of protest from California’s governor who said the mandate would cost his state billions of dollars.

“You’ve heard of the bridge to nowhere,” Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said. “This is health care to nowhere.”

The only way to fix that problem in the ObamaCare approach would be to raise reimbursement rates to entice more providers into the system.  That, however, would make it even more costly for both the federal government and the states.  Obama and Pelosi hope to redistribute wealth through the exchanges so that younger, more affluent, and healthier Americans get stuck with expensive plans they don’t need in order to shift those funds back around to cover the Medicare expansion.  This is why the individual mandate is critical to ObamaCare — and why a court decision against it would effectively cripple it.


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c.o.n.t.r.o.l.

daesleeper on March 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM

If only more people would realize and believe that this isn’t about health care but about control. Why are so many people so blind?

DerKrieger on March 21, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Doctors will not see these new Medicaid patients, period.

BrianA on March 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I still want to know what happens to 100% disabled veterans in the VA health care system.

rlwo2008 on March 21, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Where are the leaders of the health care industry? Where are the hospital presidents, the doctor’s organizations, the nurses organizations?

daesleeper on March 21, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Wrong, student loans is the fix, doctors have to take huge loans for school, now that they will all originate with the feds, they will force new doctors into treating these people for free

Daveyardbird on March 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM

And this is all because the government has created the problem which they now tell us they need more government to fix.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Simply having coverage does not healthcare make. Heck, we could cover everybody twice, but if the relationship between the provider and the recipient is so perverted that the provider is deemed fully responsible and the receiver of care is deemed wholly unresponsible for both the etiology and the outcome of the care, then it’s surely a road to nowhere.

ted c on March 21, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Speaking of RI and it’s problems: Recently spoke to a Rhode Islander who for reasons we won’t go into has been in the RI version of Medicaid for a decade at least. This individual had nose broken in three places(a ‘domestic’ as the police tend to call it). After being referred to 6!!! doctors, all of whom refused her–she found one who would do the surgery but Medicaid(or what ever RI calls it)said it was cosmetic surgery and not covered. So that’s that. A glimpse of the future?

jeanie on March 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Doctors will not see these new Medicaid patients, period.

BrianA on March 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Don’t fret … I’m sure there’s legislation floating around somewhere that will make it a criminal offense not to see these patients. It will also be criminal to leave the medical profession without prior government approval.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM

The states will have to cut services or raise taxes to do this. That will make this bill even more unpopular than it already is.

Terrye on March 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Don’t fret … I’m sure there’s legislation floating around somewhere that will make it a criminal offense not to see these patients. It will also be criminal to leave the medical profession without prior government approval.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM

One thing about doctors, they can just quit being doctors. No one can actually make them do anything. They can stop being doctors, leave the country and practice elsewhere, they have options the rest of us do not.

Terrye on March 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Where are the leaders of the health care industry? Where are the hospital presidents, the doctor’s organizations, the nurses organizations?

daesleeper

They have all been bought out by O’Bambi for 30 pieces of silver.

honsy on March 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

DerKrieger on March 21, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Easy answer: most folks spend more more time on Facebook and are more up-to-date with American Idol than are aware of this multi-engine train-wreck.

And yeah, they’ll get aware, when their insurance premium jumps 10-30%, or the ‘tax-man’ sends them a ‘warning letter’.

Of course, it’ll be a tad too late, by then.

CPT. Charles on March 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

It will also be criminal to leave the medical profession without prior government approval.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM

It may not be in the bill today, but as Obama stated, this is the framework for more expansion.

Electrongod on March 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

The main selling point, at least to Democrats, of the ObamaCare bill comes in its promise to insure most of the uninsured in America….

Ed, just for once why don’t you stop hiding behind all the political game-playing BS and we’re-all-in-it-together-so-let’s-be-nice crap and go for the truth?

For Democrats who favor this bill, and their tin god Papa Doc Obama, this is all about exercising totalitarian control over Americans. No less. They want to own and enslave us, hold our survival, our productivity and our assets in their greasy hands. And in a few hours they most likely will.

“The only way to fix that problem in the ObamaCare approach,” as you so delicately put it, is to take authority away from the traitors who are trying for this unconstitutional, immoral power grab.

Which side are you going to be on, Ed? The side of America or of the America-hating criminals who want to make serfs of us all?

Observing from the sidelines will not be an option. The regime in D.C. will not let you be neutral.

MrScribbler on March 21, 2010 at 12:03 PM

I think the quote about the end of the republic coming when people figure out they can vote themselves money needs to be ammended.

When the politicians figure out they can vote themselves more power, it will signal the end of the Republic.

reaganaut on March 21, 2010 at 12:03 PM

So that’s that. A glimpse of the future?

jeanie on March 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Why yes it is! Actually, everything you need to know about health care in the future is in the UK, Canada and Massachusetts.

Fat, corrupt, mentally diseased bureaucrats will be determining your treatment based on how much you slip them under the table, or whether you’re a registered democrat or communist (communist and democrat are interchangeable for the purposes of this discussion).

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:03 PM

They can stop being doctors, leave the country and practice elsewhere, they have options the rest of us do not.

Terrye on March 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Then I can stop paying the individual mandate? The docs can choose not to commerce but I am forced to commerce?

Electrongod on March 21, 2010 at 12:04 PM

That’s because Medicaid reimburses so far below private insurance — even below Medicare — that Medicaid patients have trouble even finding a doctor.

Those greedy private insurers out there have to pay higher bills so, government can free-ride.

Jeff2161 on March 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM

If it does pass, expect long lines at the hospitals and clinics tomorrow as the Terminally Moronic start clamoring for their free healthcare to fix everything from hangnails to skin tags.

Then imagine the ruckus when they find out that the program doesn’t begin for another four years, but “thanks for your support and tax dollars”.

Good times, good times.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Sarc tag on that last comment.

Electrongod on March 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Solving the uninsured problem by forcing the uninsured to buy insurance. Why, that’s absolutely genius. That Harvard degree being put to good use.

bloghooligan on March 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Then I can stop paying the individual mandate? The docs can choose not to commerce but I am forced to commerce?

Electrongod on March 21, 2010 at 12:04 PM

I just asked crr6, our resident expert on the Commerce Clause and she said no, and yes. In fact, she said the Commerce Clause can do anything … but only when communist democrats invoke it.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM

When the politicians figure out they can vote themselves more power, it will signal the end of the Republic.
reaganaut on March 21, 2010 at 12:03 PM

They already have, or will, it’s called immigration reform.

20 million new voters being promised all sorts of entitlements and freebies, enough to turn the tide forever in favor of the Domestic Terrorist Party.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Actually, the huge drain on Medicaid is nursing home care, primarily for the elderly since Medicare can’t afford to cover it.

Jeff2161 on March 21, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Good times, good times.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM

It’ll be great! I’m bringing a lawn chair and cooler to my local hospital.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:08 PM

It’s as Rush Limbaugh keeps saying: it’s not about the provision of health services. Instead, it’s about converting America into a socialist communist state. It’s about power for Democrats. It’s about Democrats willingness and ability to decide what we do for the rest of our lives. Vote the bastards out and trash their health care socialistic communist nonsense!

SilentWatcher on March 21, 2010 at 12:12 PM

There has been some transparency. House Democrats last week were kind enough to demonstrate–with their own phone and email system–how care and coverage complaints from future Obamacare patients will be handled.

RBMN on March 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM

If it does pass, expect long lines at the hospitals and clinics tomorrow as the Terminally Moronic start clamoring for their free healthcare to fix everything from hangnails to skin tags.

Then imagine the ruckus when they find out that the program doesn’t begin for another four years, but “thanks for your support and tax dollars”.

Good times, good times.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM

The husband and I were just discussing this very point. I can already see/hear the demented people who voted for Obama, lining up for their “free” health care only to be told, “No. Not yet. Come back in four years.”

Idiots all.

GrannyDee on March 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM

CPT. Charles on March 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Then they will just blame the evil fat cats like they do now. Try pointing out to a liberal that the insurance industry has a 4% profit margin. They don’t care. Evidence and facts do not mater to these people.

jhffmn on March 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Obama Zombies mindlessly roaming hospital halls bleating “gimme my health care”.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:19 PM

GrannyDee on March 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Yep, and what’s the over/under for the number of uninformed yahoos who believe the healthcare gravy train has arrived.

I have this terrible feeling that if this terrible scheme passes, the Domestic Terrorist Party will receive so much heat from their brain-dead supporters that they start initiating methods to begin implementation immediately.

Emergency HC funding in the hundreds of billions, here we come.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Bankrupting the states’ and the federal economies is part of the plan. As Rush Limbaugh says, it MUST be their purpose – you can’t read it any other way.

About mandates: is there SCOTUS precedent on this? Seems to me this is the crux of the issue. I believe SCOTUS would take this on, since it clearly infringes on 1st amendment rights, and would aid “the general welfare” of some at the destruction of freedoms for many – not equal protection under the law. Besides the Nebraska deal, etc. this bill is loaded with unconstitutional land mines.

And daesleeper: it is K.A.O.S. not c.o.n.t.r.o.l. :D

DINORight on March 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

it is not too late !!!!!! tihs must lead the news today – obama’s deficit savings LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

UPDATE: Former CBO Director: Obamacare Deficit will be $562 Billion over 10 years http://bit.ly/bO22yh

UPDATE: Former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005, confirms CentristNet’s claims last night in his NYT column outlining the dodges and gimmicks included by the Democrats to obtain the explicitly false claim of $138 billion in paper deficit “savings” and concluding that Obamacare will actually result in over a half a trillion of increased deficit spending over the next 10 years

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on March 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

I still want to know what happens to 100% disabled veterans in the VA health care system.

rlwo2008 on March 21, 2010 at 11:56 AM

I want to know what will happen to the 10% disabled vets like myself who have relied on the VA during periods of no insurance/unemployment. I’ve only used my benfits when I had no other place to turn. Funny thing, I’ve made too much money for “medicaid” but I’ve almost always been below the poverty line for the VA.

Mini-14 on March 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Obama and Pelosi hope to redistribute wealth through the exchanges so that younger, more affluent, and healthier Americans get stuck with expensive plans they don’t need in order to shift those funds back around to cover the Medicare expansion.

Hey, 18-to-29-year-olds. Happy about that Obama vote now?

Beyond that, I guess Democrats of all stripes are genetically unable to think these matters through to their logical and likely conclusions. Democrats are like the dogs in the cartoon movie Up (“Squirrels!”), but with Dems, their response to everything is “Spend!”

Independents have to decided what kind of country they want to live in.

BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM

According to the governors of the states that run these programs, it’s doubtful it will actually help at all — and will bankrupt the states in the process:

Gee, if I didn’t know better, I’d say that that was the plan all along. But since we know that there is no greater patriot, past or present, than our beloved President, Barack Hussein Obama, PBUH, we know that isn’t true.

Why, wherever you look in his past you encounter uplifting patriot after uplifting patriot. Frank Marshall Davis, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers – God fearing patriots, all.

/sarc off

For all those people that scoffed at people like Stanley Kurtz and James Simpson who tried desperately to warn everyone that this man was not who he said he was and that he was quite serious when he said he was going to fundamentally change America you can live with the agony of allowing what is about to happen burden your soul for eternity. That would be 52% of the electorate. Thank you very much.

The entire economy will be ravaged by the effects of this legislation, not just the health care sector. The numbers, the actual numbers, are so astoundingly huge as to defy interpretation. This was their plan all along, to drive the Federal government into insolvency, cause its collapse and then rebuild it upon a foundation of socialism and fascism. They have been doing it in increments for generations, in defiance of the Constitution. What they seek now is the removal of the restraints of a Constitutional Republic. Insolvency would prove just the crisis to accomplish just that.

Should this go down as it well seems to be, I join those who will begin to shout in the run up to the November election:

Repeal and impeach!

turfmann on March 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM

dang it bobby, I missed the closing quote.

Mini-14 on March 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM

All inpatient care will be provided by hospital-hired docs.

Docs who treat outpatients and who participate in any government associated program will be required to treat Medicare and Medicaid patients.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Future docs will be one step above moron level.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Lib blog FireDogLake on this mess

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/03/so-many-lies-so-little-time.html

And they confirm it is a mess

CWforFreedom on March 21, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Future docs will be one step above moron level.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 12:26 PM

So many quit or left in the UK they had to import foreign doctors with promises of money and citizenship. The hospitals there have degraded into stables.

darwin on March 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM

I already am more knowledgeable than 60 or 70% of the doctors I see. God help us if they get dumber.

Mini-14 on March 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM

They will be affirmative-actioning medical schools. When I think of the geniuses in public schools who have no interest in academics and who might wind up with a scalpel in their hands, I shudder. Me, I’m going to hunt for a nice Jewish boy to be my personal physician … rats! We won’t be allowed to have our own personal physician!

SilentWatcher on March 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Hey, 18-to-29-year-olds. Happy about that Obama vote now?
BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM

They’ll discover the reality soon enough if the scheme passes. When they can’t afford the latest electronic gizmo, much less a car or house, the mistake they made will be in their face in living color.

America will become like the Walton family, generations of people living in the same house because no one can afford to move out on their own.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM

UPDATE: Former CBO Director: Obamacare Deficit will be $562 Billion over 10 years http://bit.ly/bO22yh

This is the sad truth of the Obamacare package that is due to be voted on by the House of Representatives just a few hours from now. Democrats continued to make the explicitly false claim that Obamacare will be a “historic” deficit reduction package on all the Sunday shows, and the establishment media continued to second their false claims and refuse to even mention any of the obvious gimmicks and dodges used to create the false paper deficit savings reported by the CBO last week. Should Obamacare pass, the intentional fraud engaged in by President Obama and Democrats regarding the deficit “savings” issue will be seen as one of the most egregious examples of explicit misrepresentations made by federal officials, and sanctioned by the American media, in the history of this country.

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on March 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Heh, Steny Hoyer telling us to “look at the internals” of a poll after he’s caught misrepresenting one.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/35970433#35970433

HT Drudge

ConservativeTony on March 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Future docs will be one step above moron level.

Doctors without borders will take on new meaning.

Then again, we’ll be a country without borders, as well.

The dems will be hanging out in Texas and Arizona handing out leaflets on who to vote for. Then they’ll direct their new constituents towards the correct mode of transportation to get them settled in districts that need to be beefed up with voters.

reaganaut on March 21, 2010 at 12:36 PM

And to think that all of this could have been avoided by keeping government out of health care to begin with, and by not having allowed the medical system to be parasitized by the malpractice industry.

Fitting that the system will ultimately have been destroyed by the willful dependence of the population on entitlements and the greed of the relatively few who have wanted to become wealthy via winning the malpractice lottery.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM

On Fox, Pat Caddell (sp?) just called what the Dems are doing–”political Jonestown.”

BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Where are the leaders of the health care industry? Where are the hospital presidents, the doctor’s organizations, the nurses organizations?

daesleeper on March 21, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Emergency HC funding in the hundreds of billions, here we come.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

The debate never was about free enterprise, good healthcare or individual choice.

The providers and insurance industry have been weak about opposing this bill all along.

Even the political parties mostly avoided the mess that state government regulation has created. It has been good for too much local graft over the years, I guess.

There will now be a mad rush to see which segment of the present system can best rob and pillage in the new open passage to our federal treasury. And how much more power the Dems can have over contributors and voters.

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2010 at 12:39 PM

I have been a nurse in hospital settings (OR) for over 16 years. I do not belong to any of my professional organizations because they are all run by nurses who have gotten Masters and doctorate degrees and have long forgotten what it is like to take care of a patient. Their focus is all on paper and theory. They are the same misguided elitists who say this will save our country.
Even being in the profession I have never received an answer to this; How will this bill bring down the cost of health care – what in this bill will encourage a hospital to lower their price on an CT scan from 2,000.00 to say 1500.00 or charge 800.00 on an ultrasound instead of 1000.00. What will make a surgeon lower is fee on a total joint replacement from 5000.00 to 2000.00? Seems to me the hospitals will continue to charge the same just expect more people to be insured to pay the fees – how does that lower the cost of health care?

AusTex girl on March 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM

America will become like the Walton family, generations of people living in the same house because no one can afford to move out on their own.

Bishop on March 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Oh, I forgot, under that freeloader provision, many of them will be carried on a parent’s policy until age 26. I can see having some kind of exception for full-time grad students up to a point. But for crying out loud, age 26? Talk about a failure to launch.

BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Terrye on March 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Arizona has been locked in a fight to cut its deficits. They just canceled their SCHIP program and drastically cut their medicade program. That is what will be the near future if the Senate version passes.

chemman on March 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Schadenfreude is just not cutting it for me today.
Today it is just the schaden part.
And anger.
I loathe the vermin for bringing us to this, and for the pain that they will inflict on this and future generations.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Future docs will be one step above moron level.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 12:26 PM

I used to have my doubts about affirmative action and our academic system.

But, hey, we have a Harvard educated lawyer running the whole country and that is working out well, ain’t it?

IlikedAUH2O on March 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Hey, 18-to-29-year-olds. Happy about that Obama vote now?

They don’t know or care. When things turn sour, they’ll have some nitwit on TV telling them it’s the evil Republican’s fault.

This whole thing has been presented like a bad Hollywood movie. To the Obama cult, it’s like Doc Hollywood, the greedy doctor finds his heart and decides to work in the quaint little town, aceepting blueberry pies as payment for services.

In the real world, people will suffer, medical breakthroughs will slow and we’ll all go broke.

reaganaut on March 21, 2010 at 12:44 PM

BuckeyeSam on March 21, 2010 at 12:42 PM

I’m sorry but I don’t even see it as correct for anyone over 18 in college. As an adult (18) that is a choice you make for yourself.

chemman on March 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Talk about a failure to launch.

You guys just gave me an idea!

I quipped earlier about University of Phoenix online medical degrees, but this will blow that away.

University of Xbox! Maybe I can make a few bucks off of this while people still have the cash.

A complete online curriculum through the Xbox.

reaganaut on March 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM

This “health care” bill is not to nowhere. Instead, it is the road to America as an Islamic nation. Obama wants unchecked abortions even as he’s importing Muslims into the country. Guess who don’t have abortions but have multiple children by multiple wives? This bill will change America in more ways than one. If Obama gets his way, jihad will indeed be as American as apple pie.

SilentWatcher on March 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on March 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

That figure is even laughable. What government give-away has ever come even within 10% of projected costs.

chemman on March 21, 2010 at 12:53 PM

This has been years in the making.

For quite some time, and despite the incredibly heavy competition for Americans to get into American medical schools, the country has been wide open to foreign medical graduates (God bless ‘em for their enterprise in getting here.).
I suspect that this scheme was in the hopes that these foreign grads would ultimately be only too happy to escape their land of origin and practice under wages and conditions that Americans would not.

Ultimately, docs will be paid a relative pittance, and no one in their right mind, foreign or domestic will want to become one. Good docs are becoming as rare as hen’s teeth and will be even more so in the near future.

But that’s ok, because the entire impetus is for everything to be run by protocol. Get admitted with pneumonia? The medical automaton will punch in protocol A, which allows for ‘these’ diagnostic tests and ‘those’ antibiotics and treatments. The same with most other illnesses. It will be so easy to ‘practice’ medicine in the brave new world that even a caveman could do it.

Incidentally, a lot of the protocols will be of the type that if you are above a certain age or have particular illnesses that are expensive and not ‘cost effective’ to treat, your protocol will involve taking the blue pill.

BTW, anyone know how to go about buying land in Costa Rica?
Beachfront would be nice, but I’m not very picky.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM

And daesleeper: it is K.A.O.S. not c.o.n.t.r.o.l. :D

DINORight on March 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Sure sure, kill the golden goose, then what? Peppering us up for global governance?

daesleeper on March 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM

In the real world, people will suffer, medical breakthroughs will slow and we’ll all go broke.

reaganaut on March 21, 2010 at 12:44 PM

People adapt.
We’ll get used to being a third world shithole.
It’s only fair, you know.
We’ve been the lucky ones who have won life’s lottery- nothing to do of course with hard work and sacrifice.
Obama and his ilk believe that it is only fair that we evil Americans are reduced to the lowest common denominator.

May he and all Democrats, leftists and libs rot in the hell that they are creating.

justltl on March 21, 2010 at 1:13 PM

About Doctors & Nurses leaving to go work elsewhere – the Government can prevent that from happening- all they have to do is pressure those other countries to not accept reciprocity on their licenses. No License no practice. We think this is coming.

batterup on March 21, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Tennessee’s Gov. Phil Bresedesen, a Democrat, sent a letter to Bart Gordon (D-TN) stating that Obamacare will cost our state $750 million in the first year. We don’t have the money. Our state, by law, must balance the budget each year – you can only raise taxes so high in a recession; I expect HUGE cuts in state programs and state JOBS. Nashville Metro Schools are already faced with massive jobs cuts affecting 800 bus drivers and 600 custodians. But, hey, they can get *free* healthcare, right?

So the question now, will *free* healthcare be cost prohibitive for Tennesseeans?

TN Mom on March 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM

See, this is the thing… All Pelosi and Obama hd to do was raise Medicare taxes to cover their boondoggle. It would’ve been legal and we could’ve stopped it.

But the government’s “public option” doesn’t work… even with this increase in fund mangagement.

The mandate to purchase private health insurance is unconstitutional. Raising taxes is not.

But, again, this has never been about getting health care to the masses. It’s all about power and control.

Skywise on March 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM

From RedState:

Contact Stupak and all other leaning reps

by typing in url: Congressman.(name)@mail.house.gov

My Dad sent this to me. Invaluable. You don’t have to go thru their websites. Sent Stupak an email this morning: Congressman.Stupak@mail.house.gov

EVERYBODY CALL AND EMAIL TO LET HIM KNOW NOT TO FOLD AND TO LET HIM KNOW WE WON’T BE FOOLED BY AN EO FROM OBAMA.

SheetAnchor on March 21, 2010 at 1:51 PM

It would’ve been legal and we could’ve stopped it.

sorry that’s COUlD NOT HAVE stopped it…

There are actually two aspects that need to be found unconstitutional.

The first is the mandate.

The second is the Federal Government dictating plan coverage which is an illegal power grab from the states.

Repeal those two things and you’re left with private insurance companies able to trade across state lines, government can’t regulate their plans and we’re not forced to buy it.

Still got the taxes but at least I’ll still have my rights.

Skywise on March 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Here in Lynchburg, VA, there are NO pediatricians that take Medicaid at all. I have a friend who is uninsured (her and her husband) for cost reasons, and their children are on Medicaid. They have to drive an hour to receive your “health care”. It might be “free”, but it has huge costs. It’s only going to get worse, even if my friend is going to be considered “insured”.

acleaver on March 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM

DerKrieger on March 21, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Right on the money. First health care, then banking and the stock market. Trouble is, if expanding Medicaid really does bankrupt several states, then what good is “owning” a failed system that they (dems) have such a huge hand in bringing down?

n0doz on March 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM