Keep hope alive: Space, Matheson both voting no

posted at 8:46 pm on March 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

Matheson’s the guy whose brother was nominated to the federal bench on the very day he met with The One about health care. He was a no before … and he’s a no now. Space was yes before, but suddenly he’s a no too — and a hard no judging by his statement, i.e. not one liable to flip back tomorrow. All of which is perfectly dull and predictable if you assume that Pelosi has already made it to 216 and beyond and is simply looking to cut loose a few red-district Democrats to vote no at the eleventh hour.

But wait:

We’re told that this wasn’t a surprise to Speaker Pelosi but that she didn’t release him to vote no either, as sometimes happens late in the game when the leadership knows it has enough votes and can spare some to protect vulnerable incumbents.

I don’t know how else to read that except as an admission that she doesn’t have the votes. I’m shocked to be saying it, but if TPM is right, this really isn’t over. Yet.

The Firedoglake whip count had it at 204-206 earlier this afternoon with 21 undecided, including Matheson and 10 members of Stupak’s bloc. Matheson’s no makes it 204-207 but some Stupakers have been peeling away, so assume they split evenly and you’re at 209-212 with 10 on the fence to decide it. Stupak himself claimed a few hours ago that Pelosi was still four votes short, but as I’m writing this, there are rumors that Glenn Nye and Kurt Schrader are both voting yes. Nye was expected to, but Schrader was a potential yes-to-no flip.

Dude, I’m nervous.

Update: Actually, it’s possible that Space made his intentions known to Pelosi ages ago and she wrote him off as not worth pursuing. That would allow for a scenario where she has the votes but never formally releases Space. But if that’s what happened here, why did Space wait to the last minute to announce his no? If it was set in stone last week, no reason to keep quiet.

Update: NRO says this “still isn’t nailed down,” but it sounds like the final stumbling block may be some sort of executive order about abortion to bring the Stupakers on board. And the pro-choicers are apparently okay with it. Gulp.

Update: Hold the phone — sounds like Nye isn’t a yes (yet) after all.

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Dude, I’m nervous.

Same here Douchebag.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Dude, I’m nervous.

Your not the only one. It’s hard to know what these guys are doing until they vote. I just pray more vote NO than Yes.

Brat4life on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Or could it be that she HAS the votes, and these guys decided to release themselves instead of letting Pelosi decide?

thphilli on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Someone else just posted in the last thread that Matheson was a yes, as of a few minutes ago…?

flyawaybird on March 20, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Cmon AP, stiffen the spine and take a shot or two of whiskey, keep on blogging.

How about a story on how the CBO is reporting a 109B deficit/10 years from Obamacare?

I already wrote it for ya.

http://centristnetblog.com/daily-news/obama-lies-quotes-lincoln-i-am-not-bound-to-win-but-i-am-bound-to-be-true/

In repeating the explicitly false claims above, as made by Obama and the Democrats, the AP fails to mention the fact that the CBO admitted last night that Obamacare will actually add $59 billion to the deficit over 10 years when the pending “doctor fix” is enacted and further fails to mention that the CBO has also stated that at least $50 billion in additional funds will be required to administer Obamacare over 10 years after its passage, meaning Obamacare will add at least $109 billion to the deficit over the next decade. Sadly, that $109 billion in deficit spending resultant from Obamacare does not account for the many additional budget gimmicks used by the Democrats to entrench the false perception that the bill that creates over $100 billion a year in new federal entitlement spending will actually be an “historical” deficit reduction bill.

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on March 20, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Hope is the eternal illusion.

keep the change on March 20, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Or could it be that she HAS the votes, and these guys decided to release themselves instead of letting Pelosi decide?

thphilli on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 P

Thanks that was insightful. /

CWforFreedom on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Like Orrin Hatch warned the Dems: “You think it’s been tough so far, just pass this crap sammich and you’ll see what tough is.” Well, maybe he didn’t say it exactly like that but…

AubieJon on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM

God help us all.

publiuspen on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM

These crooks, liars, and thieves will not be denied.

Sugar Land on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Someone else just posted in the last thread that Matheson was a yes, as of a few minutes ago…?

flyawaybird on March 20, 2010 at 8:51 PM

It was I, and I was wrong. Matheson is a no. Sorry for the confusion.

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Dude, I’m nervous.

Allah, that’s why I started with the Bloody Mary’s this afternoon….

lovingmyUSA on March 20, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Allah,

What is the source of the rumors you’re hearing about Nye and Schrader? Are they from a trustworthy source?

David Mickelson on March 20, 2010 at 8:54 PM

I’ll be taking Senator Blutarsky’s advice.

trubble on March 20, 2010 at 8:55 PM

It was I, and I was wrong. Matheson is a no. Sorry for the confusion.

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 PM

No worries. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d really flipped his vote back again within the span of 20 minutes. Par for the course, it seems.

flyawaybird on March 20, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Firedoglake has Schrader as a yes. He was in the Unknown group.

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

They don’t have the votes. From NRO:

All Night Long [Robert Costa]

Senior Dem staffer says abortion/executive order deliberations will take place tonight at the White House.

Stupak won’t be there… Dem staffer says “this still isn’t nailed down”

Also from The Corner:

Executive Order [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I hear Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) has signed off on the idea. That’s an iron-clad guarantee it’s no real alternative for any member who calls himself “pro-life.”

obladioblada on March 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Cmon AP, stiffen the spine and take a shot or two of whiskey, keep on blogging.

Dude!! You reminded me that I had half a bottle of George Dickel in the dark cabinet.

Two shots tonight while I work, blog and watch thwe BYU Kansas State game!!

Life is good.

rickyricardo on March 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

I pray Barry’s golden touch has the same affect on Obamacare as it did on Kansas.

txag92 on March 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM

But if that’s what happened here, why did Space wait to the last minute to announce his no? If it was set in stone last week, no reason to keep quiet.

Pelosi told him she knows where his family lives and so if he is going to vote no, he at least has to help create the illusion of momentum.

pedestrian on March 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

According to Gabe Malor’s count over at Ace’s… we currently have like… 215 No votes, and she only has like 205

Enoxo on March 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Well that’s what you get for trying to use logic, reason, and economics.

In the end Obama’s “what about me” pitch is working. Well played, but it has an expiration date. That incentive (do it for the one) wouldn’t last more than a week.

The argument that should be made is not about his “presidency” but his “legacy”. Obama is a young man. Like Carter he will have 30+ years to “live” his mistakes.

Unlike Carter, or Clinton, this will not be a single event, like the Iran Hostage, or Rwanda – events with a beginning and ending. It will be an evolving cascade of errors for which Obama will have to answer in every interview.

Not that that would prevent him from becoming head of the UN or something.

Agrippa2k on March 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Of course pro-choicers are ok with EO. The One can reverse it at any time. It’s a new thing. Let’s call it Order and Switch. Or the switcheroo.

redneck hippie on March 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Well, I guess he asked for that.

ncborn on March 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Update: NRO says this “still isn’t nailed down,” but it sounds like the final stumbling block may be some sort of executive order about abortion to bring the Stupakers on board. And the pro-choicers are apparently okay with it. Gulp.

An executive order can’t alter legislative language, can it? Is t like one of those Bush signing statements the Dems criticized.

And Stupak has to know that, as well that an EO can be rescinded at any time, like in 2013 when coverage and federal subsidies actually kick in, the election is over, and Stupak has left Congress to run for governor?

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Allah art with me….

EZnSF on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

I would hope some of these suicide bombers might have second thoughts before pushing the button.

jjshaka on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Dude, I’m nervous.

Pessimism meter on the fritz?!?!?

FontanaConservative on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

What’s said, and what is, are to vastly different things. The only way to truly know now, is to wait for tomorrow. As tiring as that is.

capejasmine on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Update: NRO says this “still isn’t nailed down,” but it sounds like the final stumbling block may be some sort of executive order about abortion to bring the Stupakers on board. And the pro-choicers are apparently okay with it. Gulp.

If any of the Stupak group believe this BS, then they should be called the Stupid Idiot group. Zero isn’t going to sign an executive order about abortion. Who’s going to make sure he does this, what if he doesn’t. You know Zero thinks girls shouldn’t be saddled with a mistake. UGH!!

Brat4life on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

has anyone else heard the rumor that 3 congressmen told the dem leadership they would be voting “yes” but are in fact gonna vote “no”?

reliapundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

The executive order is a wash, BTW… Stupak’s group already looked at it and said no.

Enoxo on March 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Matheson had better vote no…Or don’t come back to Utah..LOL

rich801 on March 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

They have been instructed by Obama that they should vote “no”. That means the Democrats have votes to spare.

Buddahpundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

But even if the vote is no, that does not end it. They can vote on this thing until the comes come home, until they get a result that favors them. To paraphrase the IRA after Margaret Thatcher barely escaped their bomb, the No side has to be lucky every time, the Yes side only has to be lucky once.

keep the change on March 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I will fear no evil: for AllahPUNDIT art with me….

EZnSF on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

FIFY.

Mary in LA on March 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Pelosi has already made it to 216 and beyond and is simply looking to cut loose a few red-district Democrats to vote no at the eleventh hour.

Bingo.

some sort of executive order

Executive order? Oh, you must mean Imperial Decree…

ROCnPhilly on March 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM

has anyone else heard the rumor that 3 congressmen told the dem leadership they would be voting “yes” but are in fact gonna vote “no”?

reliapundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

No, where?

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Allah art with me…. I am the meanest motherf***** in the valley.
EZnSF on March 20, 2010 at 8:59 PM

FIFY

trubble on March 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Executive order? Oh, you must mean Imperial Decree…

ROCnPhilly on March 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM

More like a fatwa

macncheez on March 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Matheson had better vote no…Or don’t come back to Utah..LOL

rich801 on March 20, 2010 at 9:02 PM

He’s a publicly declared no as of today.

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

I still think this is going to pass. The numbers are simply not their to ensure a no, despite FDL and NRCC polls.

andy85719 on March 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

This is going to be close, margin will be less than 10 votes.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Same here Douchebag.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Whoa. WTF?

changer1701 on March 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM

macncheez on March 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Too bad he didn’t ask me…I could’ve told him..beng from Iowa and all….but no–the One had to ignore me…

lovingmyUSA on March 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM

has anyone else heard the rumor that 3 congressmen told the dem leadership they would be voting “yes” but are in fact gonna vote “no”?

reliapundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

That would be sweet. In my fantasies, I see a Congressman raising his right hand, his middle finger extended, with all the formality of Mr. Spock rendering a Vulcan salute, and saying, “Madam Speaker, this is for you.”

Undignified? Yes — but the House lost all its dignity quite some time ago, so it hardly matters.

Mary in LA on March 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Whoa. WTF?

changer1701 on March 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Previous thread, AP said you could so I just had to do it as a first.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

Same here Douchebag.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Smile when you say that, Holger!
:-)

Mary in LA on March 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM

What time does Armageddon go down tomorrow?

BallisticBob on March 20, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Nervous? Why? It’s just the end of liberty. Buck up.

SouthernGent on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

reliapundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

That would be the ultimate Face Palm. I would if I were a Democrat. Tell them what they want to hear so they go happily along looking like idiots. Then turn on them and save my own a$$.

Sultry Beauty on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

has anyone else heard the rumor that 3 congressmen told the dem leadership they would be voting “yes” but are in fact gonna vote “no”?

reliapundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

No, where?

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Where did you hear this rumor?

andy85719 on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Same here Douchebag.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Whoa. WTF?

changer1701 on March 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Allah gave us permission to call him douchebag….on other thread…

lovingmyUSA on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

This thing is gonna pass…

It’ll be interesting if the Executive Order addresses the community health centers or whatever they’re called….

ninjapirate on March 20, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Pelosi told him she knows where his family lives and so if he is going to vote no, he at least has to help create the illusion of momentum.

pedestrian on March 20, 2010 at 8:57 PM

I would hate to be there when she decides it’s time to release the flying monkeys.

Lily on March 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM

I’m nervous too

tai-pan on March 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM

That would be the ultimate Face Palm. I would if I were a Democrat. Tell them what they want to hear so they go happily along looking like idiots. Then turn on them and save my own a$$.

Sultry Beauty on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

That would be a beautiful, beautiful thing. I would run down my deserted, country road, laughing maniacally.

flyawaybird on March 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM

fix bayonets!

joe_doufu on March 20, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Allah gave us permission to call him douchebag….on other thread…

lovingmyUSA on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

What happened Allah ?
Finally tasted CH3COOH ?

macncheez on March 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM

How can Pelosi “Release” any Representative to vote ?…..I do not understand. My representative isn’t from San Francisco…?

Sure, Republicans stand together and I’m sure Republican leadership “Ask” for solidarity, or “Ask” for adherance to Republican values and ideas, but “release” of an Elected representative by anyone but “We the People” that elected the afore mentioned representative ?

Lousy concept, and it needs changing, even if you’re a Republican representative being “released”.

JayTee on March 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Nye isn’t flipping. His spokesman says the rumors are a hoax.

amerpundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

I am sweating bullets here folks. I think I need a break, my head is starting to hurt. If this passes, I am praying that God means that the Rapture is happening shortly. Or maybe I will move to a tropical island and live off of the land, fish, swim and sell trinkets to tourists. Maybe I will live longer with no worries.

immigrantchick on March 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Oh, come on. Allah may be a lot of things but douche bag isn’t one of them!

FloridaBill on March 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

has anyone else heard the rumor that 3 congressmen told the dem leadership they would be voting “yes” but are in fact gonna vote “no”?

reliapundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

That would be sweet if they were actually Senators who supposedly signed Reid’s “I Promise I Will Vote For Your Bill and the Check is in the Mail” letter.

pedestrian on March 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

I heard about that executive order earlier. He is quite the little dictator isn’t he?

Cindy Munford on March 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

jaycost: RT @dnewhauser: ATTENTION: Spokesman for Rep. Glenn Nye says that rumors he has decided to vote ‘yes’ on #HCR are NOT TRUE. It’s a hoax.

ninjapirate on March 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Fellow Hotheads–I spoke directly with Matheson’s chief of staff today, I believe her name was Amy. After being spoken to like a 2yr old, the COS received a reasoned and truthful earful.

I got to shake Griff Jenkins hand, hear Bachman speak and we went office to office on mark levin’s list. Went to see Space, Matheson, Nye, Dahlkemper and my good buddy “Tie Our Hands” Perriello’s staff, locked his door with his constituents outside.

an epic day….

ted c on March 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

That would be the ultimate Face Palm. I would if I were a Democrat. Tell them what they want to hear so they go happily along looking like idiots. Then turn on them and save my own a$$.

Sultry Beauty on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

That would be a beautiful, beautiful thing. I would run down my deserted, country road, laughing maniacally.

flyawaybird on March 20, 2010 at 9:10 PM

That would be the Ultimate Beclowning.

Only to be matched by them all crossing the aisle and getting Campaign Funds from the NRCC.

victor82 on March 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Tomorrow, American Democracy as we know and love it will cease to exist and so will the Democrat Party.
In its place the Socialist Party rise. And the following prophecy will be fulfilled:

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. I no longer need to run as a Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party – N.M. Thomas, Presidential Candidate, Socialist Party of America.

WordsMatter on March 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

Capuano just changed his vote again to a ‘yes’.

So now we’re sitting at 214 No’s.

Enoxo on March 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM

The American people don’t want it…and with overwhelming majorities in both Houses they are still having to break kneecaps at the 11th hour to barely squeak out “victory”.

Amazing!

If this was so f**king popular then why the freak show to “pass” it, Queen Piglosi???

Justrand on March 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Same here Douchebag.

Holger on March 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Esoteric, yes. Damn funny too.

Brayyyy.

ericdijon on March 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

But if that’s what happened here, why did Space wait to the last minute to announce his no?

Because he is a spineless POS Democrat.

farright on March 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Ultimately it may be better for this to pass tomorrow so The Second Revolution can reach critcal mass before the socialists consolidate more power.

Josiah on March 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

flyawaybird, you just made me laugh so hard, I feel the same. I just doubt dems will do that, they are likely to lie to the American people, not Pelosi and the one. I hope I am wrong.

immigrantchick on March 20, 2010 at 9:16 PM

tick…tick…tick

canopfor on March 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Of course, it could be that Glenn Nye has told some people that he won’t be the vote the kills ObamaCare… and it somehow leaked to the press that he was a definate yes…

ninjapirate on March 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

there are rumors that Glenn Nye ….. voting yes.

Where are you hearing this AP? I’ve been calling his office and they have been stonewalling and coy about his vote. Always giving some excuse and why he’s still “undecided.” I will not be surprised if he votes yes. They said their phones have been ringing off the hook. I’ll keep calling them until they take a vote.

STUPID DEMOCRATS. Why do you hate America?

conservative pilgrim on March 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Nye isn’t flipping. His spokesman says the rumors are a hoax.

‘Tis the witching hour of night, Orbed is the moon and bright, And the stars they glisten, glisten, Seeming with bright eyes to listen- For what listen they?’

I should probably stop posting after my fourth brew. Switch to JD, out till Monday? argh!

EZnSF on March 20, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Where’s a blizzard when you need one? Here’s hoping the Amnesty marchers shut down Congress.

El_Terrible on March 20, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Obama can take his executive order AND this healthcare nightmare and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

Rovin on March 20, 2010 at 9:19 PM

BTW,

confirmed with House Dem leadership that House will vote on Senate bill first, reconciliation bill second. 2 hours of debate on both.

http://twitter.com/jonward11/status/10798839408

ninjapirate on March 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM

Dick Morris just said that these are the congressmen to email, fax and call:

Scott Murphy, NY
Suzanne Kosmas, FL
Allen Boyd, FL
Betsy Markey, CO
John Boccieri, OH
Glenn Nye, VA

texasconserv on March 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM

I think Nye is a yes only if they really, really, really need him…

ninjapirate on March 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Praying that some govs will call reps = begging them to vote no because the states can’t afford it.

Praying … praying… praying.

stenwin77 on March 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Politico running a story on how Pelosi ‘steeled’ the White House for the big run after Brown’s victory in MASS. Story reads like Rham wanted to go small, but Pelosi pushed for it all.

This is a good sign….the beginning of the end.

Pelosi, you will meet the bottom of the bus. Obama and his thugs are preparing to blame you for this defeat tomorrow.

Prepare yourself Nan.

tatersalad on March 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Ultimately it may be better for this to pass tomorrow so The Second Revolution can reach critcal mass before the socialists consolidate more power.

Josiah on March 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Amen

EZnSF on March 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Where are the DINOs? If there are any, now would be the time to make yourselves known? God I hope there are some back stabbing DINOs on the Dem side like we seemly have in abundance on the GOP side!

milemarker2020 on March 20, 2010 at 9:22 PM

If Northern Iowa could beat #1 Kansas, I think we got a shot.

El_Terrible on March 20, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Nye isn’t flipping. His spokesman said the rumors are a hoax.

amerpundit on March 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM

So the source is from Twitter???

conservative pilgrim on March 20, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Josiah on March 20, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Hot Air lets us use the word Revolution now?

El_Terrible on March 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Lot of people wetting their pants everytime she thinks it’s over

winston on March 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Oh snaps, hopenchange.

El_Terrible on March 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Just a thought. And I truly believe this. If it weren’t for the “New Media” the HCR bill would have passed last August.

Sites like Hotair,Redstate,and the Tea Party people have kept this from happening.

I believe that the right decision will be made tomorrow. That decision would be to reject this bill.

If not, I cant wait to participate in the largest march on DC in history. It will be a tranformational moment and it will put us back on the right track to Americanism.(and we will be peaceful and pick up after ourselves)

AnthonyK on March 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM

texasconserv on March 20, 2010 at 9:20 PM

Markey – yes

Kosmas – yes

Murphy – yes

Bocchieri – yes (I think)

Nye – no (so far)

Not sure about Boyd. Does Morris think they’ll flip after publicly declaring?

Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Space is a very good sign.

He met with Obama twice and still wouldn’t budge. He knows this bill is bad hoodoo. Space’s district is on the rural side of Bocceiri and without a large urban population. Obama’s lost this entire area and Space knows it.

There’s a chance he’ll flip GOP or at least Ind in the fall.

They are still after Kaptur. If she holds out, then they are below 220 which puts waaayyy too much pressure on a few “no-to-yes” to stay that way and be the deciders.

One other positive – if Stupy’s going for an Exec Order, Cao will have to vote “nay” since the Catholic Church will not recognize the Exec as truly enforcing Hyde since it can be repealed.

If Stupak goes along with an Exec Order, he needs to be decimated for whatever he runs for. Do not trust this guy – at all.

budfox on March 20, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Allah gave us permission to call him douchebag….on other thread…

lovingmyUSA on March 20, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Oh, that explains it. LOL. Why?

changer1701 on March 20, 2010 at 9:24 PM

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