Some members of Stupak bloc trying to make a deal with Pelosi? Update: Ellsworth to vote yes, Cao might “reconsider” his no

posted at 5:17 pm on March 19, 2010 by Allahpundit

She and Waxman seemed resigned a few days ago to passing this thing without them and she vowed again just this morning that there’s not going to be any new abortion fix to the bill. In which case, why are Stupakers trying to climb back aboard the yes train? I can understand Pelosi wooing them if she thinks she’s short of 216, but this reads more like they’re trying to woo her. Why?

At least six anti-abortion rights Democrats are open to supporting the healthcare bill if they can get a guarantee from the Senate that it will move separate legislation containing the House abortion language, one of those Democratic holdouts said Friday.

Natural Resources Committee Chairman Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), one of Rep. Bart Stupak’s (D-Mich.) gang of staunch opponents of the Senate abortion language, said they are in discussions with senators and House leaders to secure such a commitment.

“There could be some kind of commitment from the other body to act on this later … to ensure that the Senate language does not remain law,” he said…

Rahall expressed confidence that even a guarantee of action would produce the end result that he and others are seeking.

Follow the link and you’ll find Stupak himself laughing at the idea that a guarantee from the Senate means anything. So desperate is Nick Rahall to vote for this travesty that he’s willing to accept a “guarantee of action” from Harry Reid as political cover? He comes from a reddish district, according to the Cook Report; a no vote without an abortion fix would, I suspect, help him more than a yes vote that includes one. And yet, he’s practically begging Reid to lie to him about passing something — which won’t happen, given the pro-choice numbers in the Senate — to give him a reason to vote yes. I’m mystified.

If there is a deal, and the deal consists of nothing more than Dingy Harry’s solemn oath that he’ll get around to a bill at some point eventually, then the Stupakers must think their pro-life constituents are awfully, awfully stupid.

Update: A brutal loss: Brad Ellsworth, a Stupaker who was on the fence and who’s planning a Senate run(!) in Indiana, says yes. And now there’s this:

Rep. Anh Cao (R., La.) tells National Review Online that he “hopes to reconsider” his vote on the health-care bill this weekend, should House Speaker Nancy Pelosi guarantee, “with certainty,” that she can fix its abortion language in a separate, later legislative measure.

That’s horrible news twice over. One: If both Ellsworth and Cao are suddenly breaking towards yes, maybe there is some flimsy deal that’s been struck by the Stupakers. And two: Ain’t no way no chance no how Joe Cao will be the 216th vote, so if he’s thinking about this, he must have reason to believe that Pelosi’s close to getting all the votes she needs and then some.

The silver lining? If there’s a deal, then Pelosi evidently really needs this bloc to get to 216. But now … she may have them.

Update: Smells like a deal. If it is, game over.

Stupak’s office sent out an email saying he will hold a press conference with “other pro-life” members at 11:00a.m. to discuss the health care bill. Maybe all the pro-life Democrats cut a deal?


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We`ve lost the vote, end of story.

Now the court challenge has to work or we`re finished.

ThePrez on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Renwaa on March 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Knucklehead on March 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Just because they can “say” it’s bipartisan doesn’t make it bipartisan any more than “deeming” the Senate bill to have passed means it has been voted on.

ladyingray on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

There are obviously secret deals taking place.

Daggett on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

I question the timing all these “yeses” are leaked. 5 p.m. on a Friday.

deidre on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Why all the bellyaching? We all get free health care. Yipepepeeeeee

angryed on March 19, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Ellsworth has betrayed the people of IN supremely

LordMaximus on March 19, 2010 at 5:39 PM

If this poison is going through anyway, at least he won’t be senator from IN.

Schadenfreude on March 19, 2010 at 5:45 PM

I am in Ellsworth’s district and it is impossible to get through right now. So I just sent him an email calling him a disgrace and a sell out and a hypocrite. More or less.

Terrye on March 19, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Bioatch.

andy85719 on March 19, 2010 at 5:48 PM

!!!!!!!!!************Attention****************!!!!!!!!!!!!

H/A Crew Members,a day and a half to Bloody Sunday,
buck-up,the battle is ongoing!!

That is all,resume your battle comment stations:)

canopfor on March 19, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Nothing is over, Allah.

Nothing. Don’t be a wet blanket on us.

Ryan Anthony on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Renwaa on March 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Knucklehead on March 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Just because they can “say” it’s bipartisan doesn’t make it bipartisan any more than “deeming” the Senate bill to have passed means it has been voted on.

ladyingray on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Exactly!

Terrye on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Pelosi will keep her promise after she kicks open the door !
As for Cao, was he kuciniched @ the superbowl party
or
was kucinich caod on AF 1 ?

macncheez on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

AllahPundit and Ed: Would you please pre-emptively ban crr6? I don’t think I can take any gloating from that corner.

Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Damn-it! Melting bunny time I am afraid.

conservnut on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

“heart-ache”

I’m amazed at how many online pundits as well as the talking heads on the tee-vee seem immune to all this.

Either they have self-sufficient ranches to bug out to or they have their passports and exit strategies all planned out.

There again, all this could lead to just Socialistic monotony.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

don’t ban crr6, just publish his IP address.

Vancomycin on March 19, 2010 at 5:50 PM

I wonder how many of the “wheelers and dealers” that sold the U.S. People out, will have their deals?

Just because they dealt it, doesn’t always mean they will get it.

upinak on March 19, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Another No vote

Georgia Rep. John Barrow says he plans to vote against the health care plan being pushed by President Barack Obama

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Cao was just on CNN – Rick’s List, and stated that he wasn’t going to vote against his conscience and he said he was a Catholic and wouldn’t vote for this Bill.

Dr Evil on March 19, 2010 at 5:50 PM

AllahPundit and Ed: Would you please pre-emptively ban crr6? I don’t think I can take any gloating from that corner.

Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Well, they decided to ban Sapwolf….

deidre on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Bart Stupak, call your “dirty dozen” and tell them to stick to their guns! A promise from Harry Reid isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, because HE DOESN’T HAVE THE VOTES!

Tell Nancy to WRITE THE STUPAK LANGUAGE INTO THE BILL, or no dice! Of course, then the House bill is different from the Senate bill, and the Senate has to re-vote with Scott Brown voting from the People’s Seat in Massachusetts.

Is the ObamaCare bill really stuck on Stupak, or is his group stuck on stupid?

Steve Z on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Beck and Fox is reporting that 2 swing vote Congressman are having THEIR district water turned on while OTHER districts voting NO are still turned off.

andy85719 on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Alinsky Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Once the lawsuits start its a quick ride to the midterms and viola! These tools aren’t going to ruin my summer.

DanMan on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

So Cao came to the US to escape Communist VietNam to vote for socialist legislation. Effin wonderful.

thomasaur on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

A quick scan of the thread and it seems that many still seem to think the threat of tossing the Dhims out of office a viable threat. The Dhims have demonstrated compltete disregard for the constitution with the antics they’ve already perpetrated in ramming this through, what makes anyone think they’re not capable of even greater perfidy subverting election law?

Anyone familiar with Woodrow Wilson’s term in office, the teachings of Saul Alinsky and his acolytes, Don Rose-Frank Marshall Davis & Vernon Jarrett who then instructed their protoges, D.Axelrod-Barack Obama & Valerie Jarrett, knows that these people like all informed progressives are after absolute power.

Once the Dhims have set the precedents of Demon Pass & Reconcilliation on HCR, expect more of the same on Cap & Tax, Card Check, Financial Services Regulation and as Jonathon Fund has long been warning, rigging election rules to ensure their grip on power. If you have been wondering why the Dhims don’t seem to mind losing office, perhaps it bears considering that they know something you don’t and that their offices are not as imperiled is it necessarily seems.

Just a little food for thought.

Archimedes on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

a/o 4:40pmET :

Joseph Cao is a “no” vote :

“According to some colleagues who have spoken with the vulnerable Louisiana lawmaker, President Barack Obama has reached out to Cao this week.

Cantor put that concern to rest at the press conference.

“I have spoken to Joseph Cao, as recently as an hour ago, he is a firm no against this bill,” Cantor said.”

which is different from the NRO info AP provided.

runner on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Sen. Orrin Hatch provides a caution to Dems holding out for a “fix” on the offensive taxpayer-funded provisions of the Senate bill. It ain’t gonna happen…regardless of whatever “promises” that the WH or the Dem leadership give.

WASHINGTON – With prolife House Democrats attempting to fix portions of the Senate health care bill that allow taxpayer funding of abortion as a separate measure, U.S. Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said today that they should remember that neither the Democratic Leadership in the Senate nor the White House has given any assurances that it would secure the necessary 60 votes to pass the Senate. Hatch issued the following statement:

“Prolife Democrats in the House, who supported the Stupak amendment, are coming under intense pressure to vote for the Senate health care bill and are desperately trying to find a way to change those provisions that allow taxpayer funding of abortion. I wish it were that easy. But to my friends in the House, who are looking to pass a fix separately, I have a regrettable piece of news: I tried to include a strict prohibition of federal dollars for elective abortion in the bill in December, but my amendment lost by a vote of 54 to 45. Absent an ironclad guarantee from Senate Democratic Leadership and the White House, which I’ve not seen, the only way to ensure there is no taxpayer funding of abortion is to vote no on the Senate bill. I don’t know many Senate Democrats who’d go along with this

Stay strong, Stupak and advise the wobblies of what Hatch warns.

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Did anyone else see that nun on the Cavuto show? She and a bunch of other social justice liberal nuns wrote a letter supporting this bill. She claimed it won’t change the law on abortion payment at all. And Pelosi saying she prayed to St. Joseph? I am so embarrassed for the Church right now.

Deanna on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Cao on Rick’s List was asked if your constituents want you to vote Yes you are saying you won’t vote yes because of your Convictions…Cao that’s correct even if it means I lose my seat….I know I am the only one who watches CNN on Hot Air :)- Craig Crawford was on Rick Sanchez’s Rick’s List.

Dr Evil on March 19, 2010 at 5:53 PM

One thing about Cao that may explain this feckless despicable switch is that he is an idiot. Seriously, the guy just does not have it all together upstairs. Ask anyone who’s met him.

WarEagle01 on March 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM

We`ve lost the vote, end of story.

Now the court challenge has to work or we`re finished.

ThePrez on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

No, my friend. If there was an actual vote we would not lose. That is why there will not be an actual vote.

Does anyone still trust the courts to protect our rights?
Seriously?
This country is already unrecognizable. It will be a living hell in a few years time.

It is time. It is way past time to start thinking outside the box. You must protect your future. You must protect your family. You must do your part to put a stop to this or get the hell out.

Dorvillian on March 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Just because they can “say” it’s bipartisan doesn’t make it bipartisan any more than “deeming” the Senate bill to have passed means it has been voted on.

ladyingray on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Lady, of course ONE vote makes nothing bi-partisan. I know that, you know that, but were talking the narcissist-in-cheif who OBAMA absolutley has the audacity to say that and you KNOW he will. They’ve done it before the LAST house vote with Cao. And the media and the drones will eat it up…

Renwaa on March 19, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Democrats are nothing but whores. F*ck ‘em all.

diditagain on March 19, 2010 at 5:55 PM

So Cao came to the US to escape Communist VietNam to vote for socialist legislation. Effin wonderful.

thomasaur on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Much like Californians who move to Idaho or Montana and vote for socialists to recreate California. Only 1 conclusion: stupidity knows no international boundaries.

angryed on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

There are plenty of skeletons of most of those lawmakers- and no doubt many know what they are.

It’s time for republicans to play hardball and threaten to expose them if they vote for this – even if it means they go down also.

Virginia Shanahan on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

For everyone gathering in DC tomorrow, including 3 of my cousins driving from Indiana, it’s an admirable effort… But I’m not convinced it matters. Either deals will be made, arms twisted, and something will pass or it won’t… They aren’t listening to us or this thing would have been scrapped last summer. When the goal is government takeover of everything, reelection takes a back seat, so killing a bill based on what we want isn’t even a consideration.

RightWinged on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Eeyore Theme Music!
=======================

Paint it black Rolling Stones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgZZHt82ufI

canopfor on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

So Cao came to the US to escape Communist VietNam to vote for socialist legislation. Effin wonderful.

thomasaur on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Homesick.

Daggett on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

I have to admit this made me cry.

I still have the slightest of hope but man my poor country.

gophergirl on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

I have doing some checking since I this news break earlier. It looks like that for the moment Pelosi has 200 votes, 207 counting the people leaning yes. She needs either 16 or 9 more votes to win, 17 or 10 for her to comfortable (I assume). Melt the phone lines and the e-mail boxes people.

Remember that this fight is not over until it is over and the vote is not necessarily the end. Keep up the pressure. Just as Pelosi can lean on them and force these people to flip, so can we. The fight is just beginning.

Shogun144 on March 19, 2010 at 5:57 PM

I am just waiting for the vote. This back and forth stuff is killing me. No one knows how anyone is going to vote. I am just going to keep doing what I’m doing and hope it does something. I recommend you all do the same.

Gatsu on March 19, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Settle down. Chill. As Gabe at Ace of Spades said earlier:

After “yeses” from Boyd, Boccieri, Titus, Perriello and a “no” from DeFazio she’s at 195 members voting yes. She’s 21 votes shy and there are 24 maybes left. . . .

Instant Update: And even as I wrote this, Altmire confirmed that he’s voting no. That brings the maybes down to 23.

And with Ellsworth and Kosmas and Bishop saying Yes, but Barrow saying No, she’s 18 votes shy with 20 maybes left. If you count Cao, and I don’t, she’s 18 votes shy with 21 maybes left.

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

You know what would be cool…

… a majority of Democrats in the House know that they will get screwed by the Senate, and realize that if they vote for this, their careers are over.

Sooooo, they let Nancy believe she has it, she holds a vote with that botox smile on her face, and as the “No” votes come flooding in, we all witness a meltdown of Biblical proportions as she tries to stop it, banging away on the gavel with no avail…

I can dream can’t I?

Seven Percent Solution on March 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Your Imperial Majesty, does that count all 23 members of the Hispanic Caucus?

Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Just because they can “say” it’s bipartisan doesn’t make it bipartisan any more than “deeming” the Senate bill to have passed means it has been voted on.

ladyingray on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

You have to admit it wouldn’t be the first or last time they would misrepresent this bill. If Speaker Pelosi can consider it a “jobs” bill because they are increasing IRS agents for enforcement then one Republican is enough to make it bi-partisan while still calling R’s obstructionists. Truth or logic has nothing to do with the Left.

Cindy Munford on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Archimedes on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Right, they obviously are not concerned with getting kicked out of office in November. They have to know it is going to happen. Now they are at their most dangerous. Every far left wing piece of legislation will be rammed down our throats this summer. What have they got to lose? Might as well put their whole agenda into law while they can.

conservnut on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Well, they decided to ban Sapwolf….

deidre on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Sapwolf got banned ? When ? Really ?

macncheez on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Stay strong, Stupak and advise the wobblies of what Hatch warns.

onlineanalyst on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

That’s all fine and good. Why wasn’t Hatch saying this 24/7 to anyone who would listen for the past week? A little late to suddently point this out on a Friday afternoon dontcha think?

Seriously, what has the GOP been doing? Paul Ryan has been out there and a few others too. But as a party, what have they been doing? Where’s the rally in front of a Rep’s office back in his hometown? Where are the TV ads, the newspaper ads?

Obama and Nancy are doing everything they can to twist arms. The Reps…putting out a statement that nobody will read.

Which is why I’m not too optimistic about all these threats of lawsuits coming.

angryed on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

If they had the votes, they would be voting right now.

kingsjester on March 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Keep calling these people. If you let AP do what he did to us with McCain and Huckster this will pass. Stop the meme of inevitability. Keep telling these people they’ll have a revolt on their hands AND even if they try to say they didn’t vote for the Senate Bill we KNOW WHO THEY ARE!

Sultry Beauty on March 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Write checks to the “Yes”-ers’ opponents and fax them a copy.

Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Headlines has a representative in the panhandle of Florida going for it.

Cindy Munford on March 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM

My God, why would they vote for this?
The fact that they will really stinks. i mean worse than they already do. What the hell is Pelosi giving away? Where’s the person leaking the Dem stuff. I really want to know what the left has that is either buying the votes or frightening them to vote?
There has to be something we are missing here. It doesn’t make sense.

ORconservative on March 19, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Soros is transferring funds to offshore accounts as we read this. These aren’t just political IOU’s changing hands.
At least we can count on some enterprising young MSM reporter uncovering this conspiracy./

ontherocks on March 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Sapwolf got banned ? When ? Really ?

macncheez on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

I spoke to sapwolf on the phone. I will be posting an response later on my site.

upinak on March 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM

I can dream can’t I?

Seven Percent Solution on March 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

That put a smile on my face!

JusDreamin on March 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

AllahPundit and Ed:

Would you please pre-emptively ban crr6? I don’t think I can take any gloating from that corner.

Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Mary in LA: Nice,I do like your Battle Space Priorities!!:)

canopfor on March 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Nothing is over until WE say it’s over! Was it over when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?!

Mallard T. Drake on March 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Sooooo, they let Nancy believe she has it, she holds a vote with that botox smile on her face, and as the “No” votes come flooding in, we all witness a meltdown of Biblical proportions as she tries to stop it, banging away on the gavel with no avail…

I can dream can’t I?

Seven Percent Solution on March 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Maybe a Steny Hoyer take over? He could be secretly setting up Nancy to FAIL.

I’ll dream with you. It’s better than the migraine I’m getting from this political roller coaster ride.

portlandon on March 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Sapwolf got banned ? When ? Really ?

macncheez on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Yep. He says he got banned like last night. Too bad really.

deidre on March 19, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Cao is RINO that has no business in the big leagues.

ultracon on March 19, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Nothing is over until WE say it’s over! Was it over when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?!

Mallard T. Drake on March 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Germans?

Forget it, he’s rolling.

portlandon on March 19, 2010 at 6:03 PM

ninjapirate on March 19, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Shut up ninja. Be useful or get the f*** out of the way. There are Patriots at work here.

portlandon on March 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM

You beat me to it!

lovingmyUSA on March 19, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Whip count showing 215-216…..

sicoit on March 19, 2010 at 6:04 PM

We`ve lost the vote, end of story.

Now the court challenge has to work or we`re finished.

ThePrez on March 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

I strongly suspect that Pelosi is at 216 on a non-DemonPass version, so the court challenges will be on whether the government can mandate purchase of health insurance, not on the process which created the mandate.

steveegg on March 19, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Just a little food for thought.

Archimedes on March 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM

I agree there are parralels to Obama and Woodrow Wilson and was even discussing this with my parents last weekend who are both near 90 and pretty astute. They were impressed I could speak to an era that started before they were born and seemed surprised when I tied FDR and his cabinet to that past and our present. And that will be the difference. Obama will not be able to control the information like Wilson and FDR could. He has already been exposed as a serial liar and that did not happen in the past.

Wilson finished his term after suffering a severe stroke and FDR was basically an invalid before the election of 1944 being able to function for only 4 hours a day. Those days are over.

DanMan on March 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Beck and Fox is reporting that 2 swing vote Congressman are having THEIR district water turned on while OTHER districts voting NO are still turned off.

andy85719 on March 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM

This pertains to those poor farmers in California, correct? If so, let’s take bets that if they vote yes, as to how long after they get what they want, that water gets turned back off.

What a dispicable, disgrace this presidency, and democrats are. Using water, a life source, as a tool for arm twisting, bribery, and debauchery. How can anyone want to belong to a party such as this?

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM

I’m glad I’ve got a good memory, especially when it comes to folks who’ve betrayed me.

AubieJon on March 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Oh, and <expletive deleted> Cao if he votes for this.

steveegg on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Your Imperial Majesty, does that count all 23 members of the Hispanic Caucus?
Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Rush said today that the entire Hispanic caucus has always been a Yes, despite their grumbling.

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Nothing is over until WE say it’s over! Was it over when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?!

Mallard T. Drake on March 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Hahaha. That’s from Animal House, right?

Renwaa on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

another yes

Fifth District Congressman Tom Perriello says he will vote “yes” this weekend on health care reform, if 51 senators commit to passing the House fixes to the Senate bill. He says while the bill isn’t perfect, it’s a step in the right direction.

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

If a man or women will not stand up for the most innocent among us the unborn child.Then nothing else matters.A word to all of you so called pro-life Dems that are thinking about selling your soul.Be very quite,listen do you hear it i ask you again DO YOU HEAR IT? You ask want am i supposed to hear?It,s the crying and screaming of millions of butchered aborted babies.GOD have mercy on us for what we are about to do.

thmcbb on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

I strongly suspect that Pelosi is at 216 on a non-DemonPass version, so the court challenges will be on whether the government can mandate purchase of health insurance, not on the process which created the mandate.

steveegg on March 19, 2010 at 6:04 PM

I honestly don’t know, but something tells me that if they had the votes confirmed….they’d be voting on this bill right now. They wouldn’t wait 2 more days to stand on ceremony. They’d get it thru as quickly as possible. I don’t think they have them affirmed just yet.

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

If this monstrosity passes they will have won a battle, but not the war. Not only will the bill have significant legal challenges, but if we have a good showing in 2010, we can literally suffocate the thing until 2012 … then we simply use the democrats own tactics against them.

darwin on March 19, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Boehner signalling defeat?

At his weekly on-camera briefing with reporters, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) emphasized that while Republicans can’t beat the Democrats’ government takeover of health care bill, the American people can. Boehner noted that the American people will hold Washington Democrats accountable for every new payoff, kickback, and sweetheart deal that is discovered in this bill. Lastly, Boehner also questioned the credibility of Democrats’ CBO score given that the $371 billion ‘doc fix’ is not included in the final bill.

LordMaximus on March 19, 2010 at 6:08 PM

No, Boehner was just reminding people that Democrats have majorities in both houses.

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM

LordMaximus on March 19, 2010 at 6:08 PM

No, he just means the Republicans don’t have the numbers but the people can influence democrats.

darwin on March 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM

For everyone gathering in DC tomorrow, including 3 of my cousins driving from Indiana, it’s an admirable effort… But I’m not convinced it matters.

RightWinged on March 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

“Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never — in nothing, great or small, large or petty — never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” Churchill

I hope each and every one of you who can possibly make it, show up in DC tomorrow. I took off on Tuesday and drove down, and I’m going again tomorrow.

I know it’s inconvenient, maybe even expensive for some, but it is imperative. DO NOT GIVE UP—–SHOW UP!

IrishEi on March 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

According to the rules (I know, I know) they have to wait 72 hours.

IrishEi on March 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

We share the same dream.

I’m trying to cull the fortitude from our founding fathers right now. To fight back. If it was worth fighting for then, it’s certainly worth it now. I’m not advocating violence, but where there’s a will, there is a way…and we can’t be defeatist about this. The republicans have been, and are currently fighting hard for us. The least we can do is support them, and help fight back. If we give up now, we don’t deserve it in the first place. :)

Remember…even until Obama’s first term is up, this will be nothing but money collecting. November is coming. We can repeal this, or at the very least, ammend it to something a tad more attractive, and workable for the country. Please try to find some inner strength! If we care about this country, we certainly can find an inner fire, and fight to battle back against this evil!!!!

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Your Imperial Majesty, does that count all 23 members of the Hispanic Caucus?
Mary in LA on March 19, 2010 at 5:59 PM

NPR

As the clock ticks down to Sunday’s make-or-break vote on health care in the House, Democratic leaders continue to hunt for the 216 votes needed for passage. Their job has been made easier by the decision of all 23 Democrats in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to back the legislation

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Fifth District Congressman Tom Perriello says he will vote “yes” this weekend on health care reform, if 51 senators commit to passing the House fixes to the Senate bill. He says while the bill isn’t perfect, it’s a step in the right direction.

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

This what I wonder about. My understanding is that the House has no say over the Senate, and it is the Senate bill they are voting on. So what if they do not get the Senate to go along with this? Or what if large portions are not said to be legal under the reconciliation process? My understanding is that abortion is one of those things that can not come in on reconciliation.

I am so confused by all this.

Terrye on March 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Whip count showing 215-216…..

sicoit on March 19, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Yikes!

Archimedes on March 19, 2010 at 6:12 PM

* Rep. Joseph Cao (R-La.) told CNN, “Right now, I’m a firm no.” The first half of that sentence doesn’t really match the second, but I’d be surprised if he supports the bill when the roll is called.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_03/022949.php

Dr Evil on March 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Since we’re dealing with politics and The Beltway, is there any chance that the Stupak bloc and other defections are simply intended to get Pelosi off their backs and bring ObamaCare to a vote?
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I suspect that Pelosi might not be re-elected. SF has a reputation, but I think a lot of people are real unhappy with Pelosi; there’s a chance we’ll see someone new. Pelosi may be certain that she’ll be re-elected, but she has lots of money and can easily afford to retire; her future is secure.
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But I think her political future, as a power-figure is over; very likely, she’ll still be in the House this time next year, and potentially on a few unimportant committees, but no one will have to listen to her.
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But how many of the remaining Democrat Congressmen can simply retire? My guess is that very many of them need another job; they prefer re-election, but a lucrative government or Beltway job will do nicely. Otherwise, they are in a lot of trouble.
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We all know that Beltway promises have a short expiration date and multitudes of escape clauses; “Not Hired due to Political Radioactivity” is one that is likely to be used, many times, probably starting in April 2010.
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My guess is that anyone who votes “Yes” will need to find their own employment, and it won’t be any Federal jobs that need Senate approval. Figure the odds that lobbying firms will have any vacancies . . .
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SO:
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1. VoteYes” and plan to post a resume on Monster
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2. VoteNo” and have to weather Madam Speaker for a few months weeks, but still have a shot at re-election, or at least of getting a reasonable “next” job.
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UPDATE: At least 35 states are considering suing / passing legislation to sue the Federal government if Deem Und Pass is used. Perhaps getting a Governor or 35 to say that what the US Senators can do at the Federal level, they can, and will, do at the State level, will make the “job” situation clear.
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UPDATE 2: Why should anyone do business with firms (of any size) that hire even one of the Congressmen who voted “Yes” for ObamaCare, or that even retain a law firm or lobbying firm employing any Congressman who voted “Yes” for ObamaCare?
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I’ll take my business elsewhere. At least until such time as the damage caused by ObamaCare is made good.
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Arbalest on March 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Who so ever plans on being in DC on Saturday, please reign hell fire on them all! Make them understand our wrath is short of being contained and that we will never, never allow them to have peace in this life time for as long as they live if they vote YES! Put the fear of GOD on these pukes…

javamartini on March 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM

The Hill’s whip count has us two votes down. The Stupak press conference is where it’s at. If it’s a deal, game over. If they hold firm, we’ll win. As simple as that.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on March 19, 2010 at 6:15 PM

It gets worse: Boyd just changed from a no to a yes, the news is breaking on Fox. More than heart-ache, it’s devastating . . .Allah called this correctly- the POS bill will pass.

theenforser on March 19, 2010 at 6:15 PM

http://twitter.com/philipaklein/status/10743464476

@JeffreyYoung_HC Pro-choice female Dems are shuttling in and out of Pelosi’s office and they won’t say why.

ninjapirate on March 19, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Cantor: Cao Is Still A Firm No
1 hour ago

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor told reporters today that Rep. Anh “Joseph” Cao (R-LA) is still a “firm no” on health care reform, despite news reports saying Cao is reconsidering.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/countdown-to-reform-wire/#325358

They are really desperate trying to get a fake wave started.

Dr Evil on March 19, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Eric Cantor says they’re bluffing and that they’re still seven votes down. [via Ace].

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 6:16 PM

If this passes then OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS will own every problem going forward with the US Healthcare system. On the political side this could be a lot of fun.

brewcrew67 on March 19, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Boehner signalling defeat?

At his weekly on-camera briefing with reporters, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) emphasized that while Republicans can’t beat the Democrats’ government takeover of health care bill, the American people can. Boehner noted that the American people will hold Washington Democrats accountable for every new payoff, kickback, and sweetheart deal that is discovered in this bill. Lastly, Boehner also questioned the credibility of Democrats’ CBO score given that the $371 billion ‘doc fix’ is not included in the final bill.

LordMaximus on March 19, 2010 at 6:08 PM

No. He was merely pointing out that the GOP are out-numbered, but American voters need to keep up the fight.

Oink on March 19, 2010 at 6:17 PM

I am absolutely SHOCKED that Ellsworth is voting yes considering he’s running for Bayh’s seat. Well, hello! He might as well forget that! I live in Indiana and I can tell you people here that I know are outraged and against this bill.

Well, I guess Marlin Stutzman (current Indiana State Senator) has a real shot of being the next US Senator from the State of Indiana.

Also, our governor, Mitch Daniels, wrote a letter to all the Indiana Reps and asked them not to vote for the bill.

Oink on March 19, 2010 at 6:20 PM

What a dispicable, disgrace this presidency, and democrats are. Using water, a life source, as a tool for arm twisting, bribery, and debauchery. How can anyone want to belong to a party such as this?

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Hell, Stalin did it to the Ukrainians and the Kulaks, Saddam did it to the marsh Arabs and Mugabe is still doing it to everyone who’s left in Zimbabwe. It’s the Cass Sunstein way.

THIS WHOLE THING STINKS AND IS NOTHING SHORT OF LIGHTING THE FUSE TO CIVIL WAR.

J.J. Sefton on March 19, 2010 at 6:20 PM

2 democratic no votes

Reps. Bobby Bright of Alabama and Travis Childers of Mississippi made clear they intend to vote against the proposal. Both congressmen cited a failure to prohibit federal funding of abortion as one of the reasons for their opposition.

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Fox.com banner Boyd goes from No to Yes, have we counted him already. I can’t keep up.

Cindy Munford on March 19, 2010 at 6:20 PM

This is all becoming so morbid.

marmaran on March 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Eric Cantor says they’re bluffing and that they’re still seven votes down. [via Ace].

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Won’t pass

CWforFreedom on March 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Eric Cantor says they’re bluffing and that they’re still seven votes down. [via Ace].

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 6:16 PM

God Bless you Eric Cantor – I needed that

gophergirl on March 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM

From MM’s site”

Keep in mind that from the time the Democrats started the 72 hour clock, they have been working hard at creating an aura of momentum and inevitability around the passage of Obama Care. What they most want to do right now is undermine the spirit of the opposition to get you to begin backing off.

Guys!

Call, fax, email, and please, PLEASE, show up in DC tomorrow if there’s any way you can possible swing it.

IrishEi on March 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM

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