New Stupak drama: Pelosi leaning on pro-choicers to make a deal?

posted at 8:40 pm on March 19, 2010 by Allahpundit

Best news we’ve had all day. If — if — this is for real and not some elaborate kabuki designed to show Stupak et al. standing up for life as part of some phony deal before they cave, then it means she’s seriously worried that she doesn’t have the votes.

Anti-abortion Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan is asking for a vote on his language restricting taxpayer funding for abortion, and a group of female abortion rights Democrats came out of an emergency meeting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office Friday evening visibly angry about the prospect.

Rep. Diana Degette, D-Colorado, told reporters a vote on Stupak’s measure was a “non starter” and said “somewhere between 40 and 55″ abortion rights Democrats would bolt from the bill…

“We had a good discussion with the speaker on the floor,” said Stupak. “But there was no agreement and there’s no agreement until we see it in writing and we get a chance to massage it.”

One possibility appears to be allowing a separate vote on Stupak’s abortion measure, which would go to the Senate independent of the health care bill.

Yeah, but what if Stupak and crew pass Reid’s bill and then his abortion measure goes to the Senate and gets voted down? Aha! He’s thought of that:

It was not entirely clear how exactly Stupak’s proposal would work. Stupak is reportedly trying to change the abortion language through a procedure called a “concurrent resolution,” but a parliamentarian expert told The Daily Caller that such a move would face huge hurdles.

The House would likely have to pass the Senate bill, and then hold it back from going to the president for his signature while they voted on the concurrent resolution. That resolution would then have to go through the Senate.

Follow that last link and scroll down for enjoyable angsty hypocrisy from Degette. Two things here. First, this is a perfect follow-up to the post about Michael McConnell’s op-ed since Stupak seems to be trying to do what the Slaughter strategy was originally intended to do — namely, keep the bill out of Obama’s hands until after the Senate’s acted, which is the only leverage the House has over Reid to follow through. Passing the bill and holding it actually seems much safer constitutionally to me too, although I confess to not having researched it. Second point: Will the Stupak bloc’s votes be contingent upon the Senate passing his resolution or merely giving it an up or down vote? If this is a phony deal aimed at giving the Stupakers some minimal political cover before they cave, then presumably it’s the latter; surely they realize that this thing will be shot down in the upper chamber unless tremendous pressure is brought to bear. But if they do bring that pressure to bear, what happens to the pro-choicers in the House? And how can Stupak be sure Pelosi won’t promise to hold the Reid bill until the Senate considers an abortion measure and then double-cross him by sending it immediately to Obama’s desk?

For what it’s worth, Fox News’s very sketchy whip count has Madam Speaker at … 216. But then, if that were true, I wouldn’t be writing this post, would I?


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What price reform ?

As Democrats drill down on the final undecideds, Republicans are drilling down on anything that smells like a special deal for that special someone. Republicans have likened it to a game show.

Today, Republicans found what they think is a goody aimed at fence-sitting Democrat Harry Teague (D-N.M.) who faces a hair-splitting re-election campaign. They say a physician-owned hospital in his district will get special benefits.

There’s $100 million in Medicaid money for Tennessee. The office of Congressman Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.) says that has nothing to do with his announcement that he’s switching to a “yes” vote.

And there are some suggestive sudden overtures on Capitol Hill: an increase in coveted federal water allotments in the districts of Congressmen Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) and Jim Costa (D-Calif.) were announced this week. Republicans say that usually happens later in the month.

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Fox News’ whip count has no explanation, so I do not believe it. Even the New York Times doesn’t have it that far.

Further, Nancy doesn’t have the votes if she has to go back to Stupak’s group.

Enoxo on March 19, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Hold fast Congressman Stupak….she’s a liar and will promise you anything.

yoda on March 19, 2010 at 8:44 PM

I swear, my head is going to explode, I swear it is.

evie on March 19, 2010 at 8:44 PM

I’m going to admit that I’ve never been this confused in all my life.

Is this good news?

Dorvillian on March 19, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Hot Mess just doesn’t cover it.

Bishop on March 19, 2010 at 8:45 PM

I am more convinced than ever, that Pelosi, Reid and Obama will do, promise, or say whatever is needed to pass this bill, then forget all of their promises. Every single promise Obama has made has come with an expiration date, some almost immediately expiring. Pelosi and Reid can’t be trusted on anything they say either.

The whole point of this legislation is to push the US economy further into collapse, while placing more and more power into the hands of a self-appointed aristocracy.

It needs to stop. NOW.

AW1 Tim on March 19, 2010 at 8:47 PM

If they had the votes, they would be voting right now, this very minute.

Period. The. End.

Knucklehead on March 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM

words of wisdom from my a staffer for my freshman Congressman, Schauer (D-Mich)…..
I asked her to point to any poll, just one, that showed Americans favor this healthcare bill. Her response “polls can be manipulated”. WTF???? So every poll just happens to be manipulated as such that all of them show Americans are against this madness. They have their fingers in their ears yelling “la-la-la, were not listening”.

evie on March 19, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Maybe Stupak can get botox nan to put his language in the Senate Bill and make the Senate vote on this bill again. I am hoping that’s what his plan is because if the Senate has to vote on this bill again it’s dead. Maybe Stupak can get botox nan to change the bill. That or she brings it to the floor and it dies there. Pray and pray some more.

Brat4life on March 19, 2010 at 8:49 PM

‘Squeamish’ Dem Senators [NRO Staff]

From Roll Call:

Senate Democratic leaders have decided they will not publicly release a health care reform letter signed by their rank and file intended to calm nervous House Democrats before their historic vote this weekend on the comprehensive Senate-passed measure and a budget reconciliation bill of fixes.

Sources said a handful of Democratic Senators asked Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to keep the letter private. The missive laid out a set of principles that Senatorial signatories would pledge to support in the health care reconciliation bill, which will need to be passed by the Senate after House action.

“The purpose is to give assurances to the House, and that can be done privately,” said one senior Senate Democratic aide.

Reid spokesman Jim Manley declined to comment except to say that Democratic leaders are “confident that the House understands the Senate is prepared to deliver.”

One senior House Democratic source said the letter had not yet been delivered to the chamber.

And one Senate Democratic source indicated that Reid had not yet been able to round up the 51 signatures he needed to provide the assurance that the Senate would be able to pass the reconciliation measure. However, the source cautioned that the inability to get 51 votes was not because Reid didn’t have personal commitments from 51 or more Senators, but because many Democratic Senators are squeamish about sticking their necks out before the House has passed the bill.
03/19 08:38 PM

NRO

Over/under on how many minutes that would stay confidential?

Wethal on March 19, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Does anyone else feel like they’re losing their minds?

All of my posts today have been chock full of mis-spelled words and ridiculous grammar.

I can’t seem to get it together anymore.

Dorvillian on March 19, 2010 at 8:50 PM

So, can Stupak and gang say they won’t vote unless the Senate passes a bill to his liking beforehand, then the house passes that bill, then they pass this crap legislation?

truetexan on March 19, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Now I’m confused. I know that Stupak has been saying that the language in the Senate Bill (and presumably the fix) did not go far enough to give he and his bloc the warm-and-fuzzies. But Queen Nan and Dumbo have been saying that no federal money would be used to fund abortion; that current law wouldn’t change. (Of course we all knew this was a lie.) But if current law wouldn’t change, then why are the four-dozen Dem baby-killer advocates upset about voting on Stupak’s amendment (or whatever it is)- enough so that they would kill DumboCare?

Could it really be that current law might actually change? hmmmmm. This seems rather telling to me.

BKeyser on March 19, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Ben Nelson introduced the Stupak language in the Senate as an amendment and only got 45 votes. The Nelson “accounting gimmick” language was the best they could negotiate with the likes of Boxer and Feinstein.

Wethal on March 19, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I think Rush is right. If the house passes the “fix” bill and whatever else, including anything designed to appease Stupak, and that deems the Senate Bill to be passed, then Obama is signing that Senate bill as-is and that’s it. All this other stuff will be unlikely to see the light of day again.

forest on March 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Vote No Stupak. Let this bill die. And let babies live.

Do not trust anything that comes out of Pelosi’s mouth or anything written by her office.

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Stand strong, Stupak! Stand strong!

And in the meanwhile keep burning the phone lines and the e-mail inboxes. This is not over, not by a long shot. Put pressure on the Dems and show them Pelosi is the not the one they should be fearing right now.

Shogun144 on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Thanks for the offer, but I’m already covered there.

WashJeff on March 19, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Got that right. That harridan would have them rounded up and the doors bolted.

katy the mean old lady on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Wethal on March 19, 2010 at 8:49 PM

So much for transparency. This Congress has made a complete joke of our nation.

truetexan on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

My head is also going to explode. I thought the Senate bill had to be “voted” on intact? How can they make changes? Yeah the reconciliation thing. If Stupak caves I will be really shocked.

sandee on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Pelosi and Reid can’t be trusted on anything they say either. AW1 Tim on March 19, 2010 at 8:47 PM

I think that Stupak knows that. That’s why he wants it in writing.

Believe in the “Argument Based on Truth”. The real victory is through Truth.

PappaMac on March 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Somewhere in all of this there has to be that one Jenga that pulls the entire tottering mess down into a heap.

Too much pretzeling, too much stretching of the rules and the meaning of procedures, too much redefining of Constitutionality, there has to be something in there that can be grabbed to stop this.

Bishop on March 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Degette is useless. The only use she has for Colorado is so that she gets to live in DC and hang out with all the other political elites

400lb Gorilla on March 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Pelosi would be better off making conflicting promises to different groups of Democrats secretly. Not that it hasn’t occurred to her.

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Stupak, don’t be a fool . . . Pelosi will follow through on nothing she promises and your whining about being betrayed will not save your butt. Muster up some guts and stand fast instead of caving to the queen.

rplat on March 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Bishop on March 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM

One can only hope!

truetexan on March 19, 2010 at 8:56 PM

I’m digging Jon Ward.

Either way, I think she is without the votes, because she either needs the deal or she needs the theater.

Spirit of 1776 on March 19, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Not that it hasn’t occurred to her.

Emperor Norton on March 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM

It’s occurred to them, too, which is why she can’t get away with it.

Wethal on March 19, 2010 at 8:57 PM

You have to wonder though… they’ll try to get the public option too to placate those mad about Stupak’s abortion deal…

To tell you the truth though, without a public option and without abortion funding I am not all that opposed to this… though there is a lot to be desired…

ninjapirate on March 19, 2010 at 8:57 PM

sandee on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

They are not voting on the Senate Bill they are voting on the reconciliation bill that will deem the Senate Bill passed.

So when the house Dems are up for reelection they can say they techinallu didn’t vote on the Senate Bill. It’s smoke and mirrors.

Brat4life on March 19, 2010 at 8:57 PM

BTW:

Here are the latest numbers from FDL currently on site:

201-209 (without leaners)

208-214 (with leaners)

I will admit to being nervous, but Stupak has managed to defy the odds and surprise people before. He must stay strong, and keep his group in line.

Shogun144 on March 19, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Somehow,Brat4life, I don’t think the American people will buy that argument.

sandee on March 19, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Pray for all of the unborn and those that were murdered. Pray, Pray, Pray.

shomegirl on March 19, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Sandee, I don’t either but the dems think we are all stupid peons and I really think they believe we will fall for it. I think in Nov they will be shocked.

Brat4life on March 19, 2010 at 9:01 PM

My head is also going to explode. I thought the Senate bill had to be “voted” on intact? How can they make changes? Yeah the reconciliation thing. If Stupak caves I will be really shocked.

sandee on March 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM

The ONLY way they (House) can make changes is to “Deem and Pass” the Senate bill while actually voting on their “Reconciliation Bill. Stupak is impressing me here. Let’s hope he keeps it up.

Dire Straits on March 19, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I am beyond mad now about the lies ,selling of vote,be damn the constitution i want this for my vote.I have never seen the average person this angry.I don,t if anyone else caught it today.On Rush,s show today he was talking to a very angry women from New Jersey and then he said something strange .It went something like this.It want be long before the people take the anger from there homes some place else.Does Rush sense something big coming?

thmcbb on March 19, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Okay, Nancy. Take the .44, point it down and put the crosshairs squarely on your left foot. Now, gently pull on that itsy-bitsy trigger….

J.J. Sefton on March 19, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Is this good news?

Dorvillian on March 19, 2010 at 8:45 PM

I would think that it is only good news if you think that the only thing wrong with the bill is the abortion language. However, it could put a wrench in the works if they ask for so much that the really far out wing nuts won’t swallow it or if it forces a real vote on the actual bill.

whbates on March 19, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Nothing to see here …

I don’t know why people say that Pelosi doesn’t have the votes just because of the kinds of people she’s asking for a vote from now.

If I were her – I’d be asking everyone, leaning on everyone. I would want this bill to pass with MORE than a simple one vote majority – not just so I have a “hedge” in case someone gets cold feet – but because any bill has more credibility if it passes by a comfortable margin.

I will say this – I hate the witch – but of the three stooges … Obama, Reid, and Pelosi – Nance has proven the only competent one at her job among the bunch.

HondaV65 on March 19, 2010 at 9:04 PM

The irony of this is it has me hoping (for now) that pro-life language isn’t in the bill.

Of course said hope is conditional on the bill not passing due to lack of said language.

darii on March 19, 2010 at 9:05 PM

William Amos on March 19, 2010 at 8:44 PM

In November, every one of these “deals” will be like nails in their coffins WA. Who ever wrote the song “suicide is painless” never met today’s liberals.

Rovin on March 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Í don’t think the abortion can be in the deem and pass bill. It has to be in the Senate Bill or it will have to be put into a new bill. If Stupak wants it in writing the only way I can see this happening is if Nan puts it into the current Senate bill and it has to go back to the Senate to be voted on again. I could be wrong though. Who knows what the idiots in Washington are planning on doing.

Brat4life on March 19, 2010 at 9:09 PM

The irony of this is it has me hoping (for now) that pro-life language isn’t in the bill.

Of course said hope is conditional on the bill not passing due to lack of said language.

darii on March 19, 2010 at 9:05 PM

great post! Very well said.

Dire Straits on March 19, 2010 at 9:10 PM

AP –

She has the votes but they flux from 214-216. They want Cao and the Stupak brigade because…

1) someone could flip on the floor if they end up being The Vote. Cao and Stupak took the bullet for the last House passage and they need it again.

2)The House vote has to be solidly over 216 to assuage Reid. See this from Harry’s position – it’s his Senate bill. Everything after Sunday’s vote falls on him. If it gets F’d up by reconciliation, Demon Pass, concurrent Stupak, etc… Harry has to chop his up, go on 51, and then send something back to Nancy. Now if she barely has 216 this time, what will she have a second time? How many did she lose from the first?

To use Rush’s phrase, the Dirty Little Secret is Rahm and company made 216 the media goal line when they’ve always needed over 216 as an insurance policy. By making 216 the threshold, it creates a sense of fait accompli after passage and then the MSM can throw a party, follow Obama to Southeast Asia, then move onto 24/7 mid-term election coverage i.e – Obama’s Roadshow.

If Cao votes “Yeah”, we must press for him to be thrown out immediately.

budfox on March 19, 2010 at 9:12 PM

To tell you the truth though, without a public option and without abortion funding I am not all that opposed to this… though there is a lot to be desired…

ninjapirate on March 19, 2010 at 8:57 PM

You’re kidding, right? This bill taxes everything that moves. It will make the US have the highest capital gain tax in the known universe, among other things. It will guarantee economic stagnation for the next twenty years.

Pelayo on March 19, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Madame Pelosi prays to Saint Joseph Stalin.

mobydutch on March 19, 2010 at 9:12 PM

If Stupak only wanted a “phony” cover compromise, he would have had it in October. This guy has put up with so much crap from Dems and Republicans alike it’s a mystery he’s still hanging in there. He didn’t have to make himself the flashpoint on this, there are plenty of “pro life” Dems who have rolled over already. The amount of crap he’s had to endure from conservatives is embarrassing.

jdp629 on March 19, 2010 at 9:16 PM

If this passes the House just watch what the stock market does on Monday… Bye Bye 401k! :(

Dire Straits on March 19, 2010 at 9:16 PM

If I was a filth o crat from a conservative district, I’d seriously think about switching parties right about now.
Especially in light of what Tom Coburn said.
But then again, I wouldn’t be a filth o crat in the first place.

Lanceman on March 19, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Does anyone else feel like they’re losing their minds?

All of my posts today have been chock full of mis-spelled words and ridiculous grammar.

I can’t seem to get it together anymore.

Dorvillian on March 19, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Yeah..for the last couple of weeks for me. I’ve been rambling for the most part…and pizzed at what has been done to this country. This victory will embolden the progressive left to new heights.

Itchee Dryback on March 19, 2010 at 9:17 PM

If Cao votes “Yeah”, we must press for him to be thrown out immediately.

budfox on March 19, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Agreed

MeatHeadinCA on March 19, 2010 at 9:17 PM

and then double-cross him by sending it immediately to Obama’s desk

This is exactly what I would expect. She’s so hated now, what could she do to make it any worse?

behiker on March 19, 2010 at 9:18 PM

You’re kidding, right?

Pelayo on March 19, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Don’t underestimate the lack of principles that the middlemen have…

MeatHeadinCA on March 19, 2010 at 9:18 PM

If this passes the House just watch what the stock market does on Monday… Bye Bye 401k! :(

Dire Straits on March 19, 2010 at 9:16 PM

What’s a ’401 K’? /

Lanceman on March 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM

budfox on March 19, 2010 at 9:12 PM

One small hitch in your “git-a-long”—-the bill in the house could be passed and signed into law, leaving all those “faithful Dems” hanging out to dry. What’s one more lie in their world?

Rovin on March 19, 2010 at 9:20 PM

What’s a ‘401 K’? /

Lanceman on March 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM

You make a compeling argument.

Dire Straits on March 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM

I vote kabuki.

Sorry, I deem this kabuki.

LibTired on March 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Somehow,Brat4life, I don’t think the American people will buy that argument.

sandee on March 19, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Why does the name “John Kerry” echo in my mind?

UnderstandingisPower on March 19, 2010 at 9:23 PM

and then double-cross him by sending it immediately to Obama’s desk

This is exactly what I would expect. She’s so hated now, what could she do to make it any worse?

behiker on March 19, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Oh, don’t ask. Please don’t ask. After all of this, I really don’t want to know how much worse she could make it.

UnderstandingisPower on March 19, 2010 at 9:24 PM

I guess I’m missing something here, but can someone explain how the old whore (a.k.a Speaker of the House) can lean on anyone to do anything? I mean, what leverage does she have? Can she have them “unelected”? Can she slap them, beat them, or otherwise humiliate them in front of their peers? Can she take their livelihoods from them and mock them incessantly? What’s the deal?

AcronisF on March 19, 2010 at 9:28 PM

This Sunday the far left radicals, the Marxis, the Statists, the Communists on team Obama will, in all likelyhood, pass a Health Care bill that will FOREVER change America! America turns back the clock, turns from a BEACON of FREEDOMS into a 3rd World Dictatorship… Yes, from just this one bill…

Why do you think Comrade Pelosi and Chairman Obama are lying, breaking the Oath of Office to “Protect and Defend” the Constitution… Because it gives them ULTIMATE POWER over your very LIFE! They can tell YOU how much you as a person are “worth” in health care spending, they can tell you that YOUR lifestyle choices COST TOO MUCH and must be “changed” for the “good of all” and to “control costs”…

They will CONTROL all YOUR once personal and private decisions reguarding they type and amount of HEALTH CARE, life and death decisions that YOU used to make for yourself and your family! You, the PEOPLE, the CITIZEN, will no longer be ALLOWED to make ANY decisions on what you buy, who your Doctor is, how much it costs… You are NOW a servant to Obama and the radical left! Womb to Tomb!

You MUST, or pay and fine and go to JAIL, buy a Obama approved health care policy! YOU MUST or the 16,500 NEW I.R.S. folks that this bill also hires WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND FINE YOU AND PUT YOU IN JAIL for NON-COMPLIANCE to Obama… Can anyone here say Castro, Cuba, Russia??? And lest we forget the IRS just purchased thousands of new SHOTGUNS… Hummmmmmmmmmm

Please someone show me, please you libs here in HotAir, (and you and I know who you are), show me in The Constitution where it says that the Federal Govmt. can FORCE and MANDATE that a private citizen MUST purchase ANY PRODUCT or SERVICE or face FINE AND JAIL! Where is it???

You can’t show it because IT IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION, actualy just the OPPOSITE is in the Constitution…

Most of you far left radicals do NOT care what is in the Constitution because it is written to PREVENT the massive intruision of the FEDS and Obama into our daily lives… You want a NANNY STATE, WOMB TO TOMB care… Here it comes!

Let me ask 3 questions and see if we can get ANYONE with the courage of their convictions to reply…

Most radical libs are cowards and will not stand on ANY principals, but let’s see…

1) Would you buy a car that you have NOT SEEN… Have no idea what options it has, it’s size, color, make or model… Pay for it for 4 years BEFORE you can drive it??? Would you buy any product or sevice that makes you pay the total bill UP FRONT for years before you can use it?

**** No one, not even Obama knows what is in the current fraud of a bill, you will start paying new “fees” and TAXES, no matter what your income lvl is right away, but the “benifits do not even start for 6 to 8 YEARS!!!

So would you buy that car ???

next

2) Are you OK and agree to let Obama and the far left in Congress RATION CARE and CUT Medicare and DICTATE YOUR CHOICES in reguards to YOUR health care and lifestyle???

*** There are “Panels” (have been called “Death Panels”) of so called health care experts, and YES IT SAYS THIS EXACTLY IN THE BILL, that will DECIDE how much you as a person are WORTH SPENDING ON… They, this unelected board, WILL tell Doctors what treatments and medicines YOU can get based on AGE, HEALTH, LIFE EXPECTANCY, NORMS and “other factors”…. FACT: ALL COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE ARE BROKE, ALL HAVE RATIONING, ALL HAVE POORER CARE than America! FACT !!! And now those same things are comming to YOU and our once great Country!

Already, in many States and Cities we see the TIP OF THE ICEBERG as to what this can and WILL mean… Cities charging TAXES and FEES on salt intake, calories intake… Telling folks what they CAN and CAN NOT EAT… Or rights ARE under assualt… THEY WANT TO CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES… In califorian for example, they are now MANDATING what COLORS of cars can be sold… NO MORE BLACK CARS, they are bad for Global Warming… In NJ and NY they are TAXING sodas and telling PRIVATE resturants that they can no longer serve SALT in the foods… Have you ever tasted many foods WITHOUT salt??? They SUCK !!! So are you ready for this type of control???

But WAIT, theres more…

3) Why Dems, are you willing and ready to have HUGE WAITS to see ANY Doctor, go on WAITING LISTS for proceedusres, have YOUR choices removed and be at the MERCY of a nameless, faceless Govmt agency?

People that live and countless news stories from around the World will tell ANYONE who asks about socilized, Govmt run health care… THEY HAVE IT IN GERMANY and FRANCE and BRITON and CANADA… It is HORRIBLE…. LONG waits, HUGE TAX BURDENS, POOR CARE QUALITY… Lack of new drugs, lack of new inovation… POOR OVERAL CARE! This is NOT about affordable health care, it’s about a HUGE NEW GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER, GOVERNMENT CONTROL of YOUR LIFE!!!

*** Why, oh why, do we want what have been PROVEN to be a DISASTER in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY that has gone this route to happen to THE BEST health care in the world??? In Canada and France and England and from ALL OVER rich and affulent people FLOCK to AMERICA for threatments, why ?, because we have THE BEST Doctors, Hospitals, Medicines… THIS IS ALL ABOUT TO CHANGE and NOT for the better… RATIONING has and IS accuring right now in Germany, France, Spain, Canada, Cuba all over the world… WE CAN NOT AFFORD THIS MASSIVE GOVMT TAKE OVER OF 1/6 or 20% of our economy…

OH, 1 more question Leftists…

4) What gives you the “right” to tell me what I can and can not do, what I must and must not purchase, what I MUST spend my money on… Oh, and PLEASE, PLEASE use the lie that this Communist regiem is using about “that people must now buy care insurance. it’s the same thing”. NOPE, a lie… IF I do NOT own or dive a car, I ride a bike or take mass transit, I DO NOT HAVE TO BUY ANY INSURANCE!!! This bill says I MUST, at the point of a gun, jail and fines, I MUST comply with Obama and purchase a ” Obama approved” plan… I have NO rights, NO choice…

IS THIS AMERICA ??? IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT ??? ARE YOU READY TO ‘CONFORM’ or be PUNISHED???

What’s next America????

God save us all from our horribly dangerous “leaders”…

Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the left HATE America as it is and as it has been… THEY HATE AMERICA’S CONSTITUTION, they are now showing it for all to see by VIOLATING it… They are, and you that support this massive freedom buster of a bill, TRAITORS to our founding, TRAITORS to persona liberty and TRAITIORS to freedom of choice…

I doubt that ANY of you have the stones to reply, but who knows, maybe you have the convictions of your Marxist leaders to stand up and say, YES, I WANT TO BE A SLAVE TO BIG GOVERNMENT… YES, I WANT THEM TO DECIDE FOR ME WHAT IS BEST… YES, I LOVE WAITING IN LINES FOR LIFE SAVING SURGERIES AND DOCTOR VISITS and YES, I LOVE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO BY MY SAVIOR OBAMA!

We’ll see… AT LEAST I HAVE THE PRIDE AND STONES TO POST MY FEELINGS, FACTS AND OPINIONS FOR ALL TO SEE… I AM NOT A SLAVE, NOR AFRAID…

I WILL NOT PAY MY TAXES THIS YEAR ( go snitch to the secret police, like Russian neighbors did to each other ), I WILL NOT BUY MANDATED INSURANCE… MY MONEY WILL NOT GO TO FUND ABORTIONS !!!

LET THEM TRY TO PUT ME IN JAIL… THEY KNOW WHERE I AM !!!!

MILLIONS of real AMERICANS just like me, will refuse to BREAK THE CONSTITUTION, we will NOT become slaves without a fight, a fight like has only been seen ONCE before in America, how will Obama put MILLIONS IN JAIL to enforce his will on the masses…

60% WANT HIS BILL KILLED in ALL the latest polls, they want some reforms, BUT NOT THIS BILL!!!

KILL THE BILL !!!!!!!!!!

Our so called “Leaders” our so called “Representatives” have been BOUGHT, BRIBED and PAID OFF…

THEY ARE TRAITORS to DEMOCRACY!!!!!!

WE THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IGNORE, OUR WISHES ARE IGNORED all in the name of the LARGEST POWER GRAB IN AMERICAN HISTORY !!!!!!!

I say, my friends, it’s time to FIGHT !!!!!!!!

We are about to let the VERY SAME folks that have RUINED SOCIAL SECURITY, BANKRUPTED MEDICARE AND MEDICADE, BROKEN AND MISMANAGED THE POST OFFICE, TRASHED AMTRAC and ANY NUMBER OF OTHER BROKEN AGENCIES run HEALTH CARE !!!!

WTF ARE WE DOING AMERICA ????

CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE IS IN ORDER… The left radicals have used it to GREAT success for years… IT’S OUR TIME NOW!

These protests are also being ignored, but they would not ignore thousands in the streets with guns, marching to retake America and uphold The Constitution…

Our founders knew this day would come, spoke abut the need someday for a revolt against the Government…

We have tried to be peacful and be civil, be respectful and be patient… WE HAVE BEEN IGNORED…

How much longer do we wait… As another her on HotAir has said, now may be the time to force Obama to call out the National Guard to quell the angry masses… They could not hide that in the MSM or in the world…

Mark Garnett on March 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Stupak et al ….

WE SHALL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS !!

Stay strong !!

pambi on March 19, 2010 at 9:33 PM

I’ve posted this before, but I’m so stressed over this healthcare nightmare, I needed to laugh and thought it was worth a repeat…

The Pope and Nancy Pelosi are on stage in front of a huge crowd.

The Pope leans towards Mrs. Pelosi and says, “Do you know that with one wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display, like that of your followers, but it will go deep into their hearts. And for the rest of their lives, whenever they speak of this day they will rejoice!”

Pelosi replied, “I seriously doubt that with one little wave of your hand you can do that. Show me.”

So the Pope slapped her.

behiker on March 19, 2010 at 9:35 PM

HA rule #137 – Do not read jokes with a mouth full of coffee.

Pelayo on March 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM

…..and all of this is considered by the democrats to be good governance?

Skandia Recluse on March 19, 2010 at 9:43 PM

America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.

txag92 on March 19, 2010 at 9:51 PM

I’ve posted this before, but I’m so stressed over this healthcare nightmare, I needed to laugh and thought it was worth a repeat…

The Pope and Nancy Pelosi are on stage in front of a huge crowd.

The Pope leans towards Mrs. Pelosi and says, “Do you know that with one wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display, like that of your followers, but it will go deep into their hearts. And for the rest of their lives, whenever they speak of this day they will rejoice!”

Pelosi replied, “I seriously doubt that with one little wave of your hand you can do that. Show me.”

So the Pope slapped her.

behiker on March 19, 2010 at 9:35 PM

ROFL!!!

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 9:52 PM

…..and all of this is considered by the democrats to be good governance?

Skandia Recluse on March 19, 2010 at 9:43 PM

I don’t know if all of them actually believe this, but they’re going to blindly follow out of some sense of devotion to the party. I would guess it’s that dependent mentality. If they know this is where there bread is being buttered, they’ll continue to follow…and rationalize it.

capejasmine on March 19, 2010 at 9:54 PM

You can’t trust a Democrat no matter what color the dog is.

CliffHanger on March 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Ping Pong!

percysunshine on March 19, 2010 at 10:19 PM

If I were her – I’d be asking everyone, leaning on everyone. I would want this bill to pass with MORE than a simple one vote majority

Yes, but she doesn’t have much time left. She has to go for the ones who she thinks she can make the most headway with between now and Sunday.

Missy on March 19, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Firedoglake, The Hayride,the Hill or Dick Morris are better sources for the whip count.

Fox has been saying Pelosi and Clyburn had the votes since early this morning. Fox has been an outlier all day. As Dick Morris said on Hannity’s show tonight, the Dems want to create a false narrative that passage is inevitable so they put out false info and Fox went for it.

When we see the MSNBC talking heads leaping for joy and high fiving, then we’ll know Pelosi has the votes. MSNBC will get that first tweet.

sarahpalinfan99 on March 19, 2010 at 10:47 PM

From Dickmorris.com:
From a top level source in the House comes the news that the Democrats are still short of the 216 votes they need to pass Obamacare. They have decided, however, to go for broke on Sunday and attempt to pass it whether or not they have enough support. They feel that only by forcing a vote can the force members off the fence. They hope that by employing all means at their disposal, they can round up enough votes for passage. But, if they don’t have the votes, they will allow the measure to be defeated. One source called it a “suicide run.”

I know, I know…but he appears to have detailed info – at least the most detailed I’ve seen. IT AIN’T OVER YET!!!!

Yellowdog12 on March 20, 2010 at 5:59 AM