Chaos: Pelosi reaches deal with Stupak for Senate abortion vote?
posted at 11:51 pm on March 19, 2010 by Allahpundit
The deal calls for Stupak to have a vote on his amendment either before or after the House votes to confirm the Senate bill on Sunday. Stupak is confident that he has the votes to pass the measure, and is happy to have the vote after the House passes the Senate bill. He believes that by using a “tie bar” measure, his amendment would be “tied” to the health care bill — which would require just 51 votes in the Senate.
Pro-choice members of the House, however, are demanding that the vote on the Concurrent Resolution happen before the House confirms the Senate bill. If in fact it passes, they plan to vote against confirming the Senate bill. They want Rep. Diana Degette to release the names of the 41 cosigners to her letter who pledged to vote against any bill that restricts a woman’s right to choose, and they are angry that the White House has been whipping to push through the Stupak deal…
Alan Grayson, who voted against the Stupak Amendment when it went before the House last October, now has 80 cosponsors for his public option amendment, but has not been granted a floor vote.
There are many more pro-choicers in the House than there are members of Stupak’s bloc, so Pelosi would actually lose votes by agreeing to this unless one of two things is true. (1) It’s all for show. The pro-lifers want nothing more than a vote in the Senate. They expect to lose, but the political cover they’ll gain for making a minor stand on principle is enough to make it worth their while. Except … if it’s true that Stupak only needs 51 votes in the Senate, not 60, then this might actually pass. (If you’re wondering why they need only 51, cross your fingers and read this primer on “enrollment corrections bills.” Essentially, you’re allowed to make minor technical changes to a bill even after it’s been passed. Is this a minor technical change? Why, no. But Stupak will try anything, I guess.) (2) The pro-choicers are planning to cave. They caved in November, didn’t they? Problem is, this is the final bill and they … sure don’t sound like they’re going to cave. Diana DeGette, leader of the pro-choice caucus, claims she has the votes to kill it if Stupak gets his way, and given how close the margin is, it’d only take three or four stalwarts to walk to torpedo the whole thing. Drama!
The good news here is that it surely means Madam Speaker doesn’t have the votes yet, right? Not so fast: A friend of the site e-mailed us about an hour ago to say that he spoke to a Democratic congressman he’s pals with earlier tonight. Quote:
He tells me with certainty that they have plenty of votes and that some yes votes will be allowed to vote no if they choose for their protection. He says that everyone’s internal polling has been much better than expected. He says at this point that last sticking point is whether to give Stupak a separate vote, which Pelosi is considering.
Lest you think this is a sketchy “I’ve got this friend, see…” tip, I assure you that he did give us the name of his congressional source. Assuming our tipster’s right, the only reason I can come up with for why Pelosi wants to bring Stupak’s bloc onboard is that she thinks most of the Stupakers occupy safe-ish seats in November — especially if their abortion language passes — and therefore adding them to the tally would let her cut loose some Blue Dogs who are less safe and really need to vote no. But of course, that only makes sense if all of the pro-choicers stay onboard. And given the anger being expressed, if they’re onboard right now, they’re doing an amazing job of hiding it.
Exit question: Is this all just lefty spin being fed to Firedoglake by peeved pro-choicers? We’ll find out at Stupak’s presser tomorrow. 11 a.m.!









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canopfor on March 20, 2010 at 6:08 AM
The Dems know that the Great Society boondoggles of Medicare and Medicaid are fast approaching bankruptcy. Thus, they need to have the infusion of cash via taxation well before ObaMaoScare kicks in. The provisions of bureaucratic board-determined treatments will limit costs through limited care, especially for the elderly who are set to flood the system as the baby boomers become eligible.
The Dems are desperate to cover their tracks of unintended consequences of their social engineering in the past.
State coffers will collapse as more enrollees are shunted to Medicaid. There will be no recourse for denial of service or less-than-optimal service if health care is determined by the government.
This bill is sending us on a collision course of national bankruptcy at warp speed.
onlineanalyst on March 20, 2010 at 6:28 AM
I think I will just wait and see what actually happens rather than speculate anymore. It is too exhausting.
Terrye on March 20, 2010 at 6:29 AM
Before anyone gets to crazy, take comfort in this from the WSJ:
They don’t have the votes but even if she squeaks by its not over, we have the summer and fall to hammer the Democrats and much of this bill can be repealed despite the rhetoric you hear.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 6:32 AM
Stupak is an idiot. He can’t make the Senate vote on his amendment anymore than he can make the Senate vote on the “fix it” bill. Once the House votes to accept the Senate bill, we have ObamaCare.
The Senate moves on to Cap and Tax, or immigration.
ladyingray on March 20, 2010 at 6:33 AM
alright friends, I’m heading to DC. Unfortunately, I will be NOT wearing my cool new HotAir hat that Ed/AP/salem haven’t put up for sale yet.//
Be strong, and courageous deut 31.6
ted c on March 20, 2010 at 6:34 AM
ted c
enjoy yourself.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 6:37 AM
Now will you people believe me when i say Screaming as loud as i can. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRO-LIFE DEMOCRAT.
thmcbb on March 20, 2010 at 6:39 AM
Why not . . . Stupak is just another wormy liberal slug that will sell his soul for a pittance. We’re dealing with self serving, amoral liars, cheats and crooks and there’s no reason we should expect them to behave honorably and honestly. Marxism and socialism are the “law of the land” and our once great Republic is dead.
rplat on March 20, 2010 at 6:42 AM
I dunno. Hes been walked all over, what does he have to gain from a sham vote? The political landscape has shifted so much since last year, which means the tactics have changed too. A sham vote will not cut it. I am holding off until the presser, something is missing.
Gatsu on March 20, 2010 at 6:46 AM
We are looking in the face of the ObaMao-Pelosi-Reid National Eugenics Plan, where the State will determine your worth to the collective. Artists, writers, and photographers will be able to quit their day jobs so that they can produce propaganda for the State. The producers will carry the drones who need more time to hang out with cousin Pookie. Health-care providers will come from a pool of taxpayer-educated politically correct affirmative-action-based candidates.
Midnight basketball for youth and tai chi exercises for their elders will become part of the national wellness program.
Nancy Pelosi’s face will appear on every box of cereal; Harry Reid’s on every box of prunes; and ObaMao’s on every cluster of arugula. Carrots will be outlawed; because the government will only use sticks.
onlineanalyst on March 20, 2010 at 6:50 AM
I have been saying for the last year that Revolution was coming.I was wrong.Revolution is here and it not going to be pretty but the American people will take there country back from these socialist/marxist.
thmcbb on March 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM
Aren’t all of these carve-out provisions for unions, for special deals on state Medicaid liability or state exemptions to allow continuation of Medicare Advantage unconstitutional in terms of the equal protection amendment? Likewise, don’t the into-perpetuity affirmative action provisions for health-care training fly in the face of this amendment?
onlineanalyst on March 20, 2010 at 7:02 AM
ted c on March 20, 2010 at 6:34 AM
betsyz on March 20, 2010 at 7:03 AM
The obligatory “Don’t Tread On Me” Tshirt and US flag ball cap *sans HotAir logo of course*//
ted c on March 20, 2010 at 7:06 AM
onlineanalyst,
in a perfect world where no state would receive favorable treatment over the other as was intended in the Constitution you would be right, but the nation left that mooring a long time ago. As for the carve ours for unions, loophole politics (writing special clauses into the tax for a favored group) has been the norm in Congress for decades although never on a scale this big. As for the constitutionality of it, I can’t speak to that, I just know its common practice.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 7:09 AM
Saw Stupak on Greta last night. He really wants to vote for this health care sham except for the abortion provisions. Apparently, according to him, he has given Pelosi about 8 different ideas as to how his concerns could be addressed on those provisions so he could vote for it. My take is that he is sincere about no public funding for abortions and will vote no if Pelosi does not address it.
Notice how you don’t hear Planned Parenthood moaning about this bill? I think that is proof-positive that the abortion provisions ARE in the bill and that members of congress who say it isn’t are lying.
KickandSwimMom on March 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM
The upside to all of this? We have a “big tent”.
pugwriter on March 20, 2010 at 7:24 AM
I have been thinking about this bill because its clear Democrats and the left have stopped thinking sometime ago.
Here are a few thought:
Yesterday Arizona dropped schip due to budget constraints. Why wouldn’t every state drop the program now and simply let those without insurance purchase from private company with Federal assistance. Wouldn’t this decrease those on government run programs and increase buisness for private insurance? Additionally why wouldn’t state governments just ditch medicaid grants one and for all, alleviate themselves of the burden and hand these customers over to the companies? Has anyone thought of these possibilities? I don’t know what is going to happen, but I do know its not going to be what the Democrats claim.
By the way the Arizona program was canceled due to lack of revenue from a collapse in cigarette taxes, something Limbaugh has been pointing out for years.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 7:26 AM
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And that is how we’ll get from back alley abortions, to Roe-v-Wade, to government paid abortions… for under aged girls, without parental knowledge, during school field trips to the clinic… weather the young girl wants one or not… etc…
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Think not? Tell that to all the genocide victims of the pass couple hundred years. F’ government control. It too easily takes us where we would never think it can.
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RalphyBoy on March 20, 2010 at 7:28 AM
Almost forgot ‘We don’t want you to be punished with a baby…’.-
RalphyBoy on March 20, 2010 at 7:30 AM
No real evidence from me, but I’m convinced she has the votes and has had them for at least 24 hours already. This delay stuff is all drama and drumroll stuff for political show.
You can tell from Obama’s manner at the rally that he has it in the bag.
AnninCA on March 20, 2010 at 7:30 AM
I agree…trying to follow all of this is like a twisted ball of yarn. I’m just so irritated right now. I’ve tried emailing when I can, I will try to make calls today but I am very frustrated.
I just want to work, live my life and be left alone. Is that really too much to ask? I really don’t understand what’s in the mindset of a Dem politician that wants to control what everyone does.
As I hear census commercials, I am just becoming more and more bitter. But I will have a 2nd job this year getting more politically involved.
gatorfanatic on March 20, 2010 at 7:38 AM
If this is true and Pelosi has the votes and Obamacare (step one in the Democrat takeover of healthcare and the final press of the accelerator towards the complete economic destruction of the USA) all I can say is, “Goodbye America, it was nice while it lasted.”
Jay Mac on March 20, 2010 at 7:40 AM
You answered your own question… control… power…
PrincipledPilgrim on March 20, 2010 at 7:42 AM
So this thing passes, then what? Can they use this crap to ram immigration (amnesty) down our throats as well? The year is almost a quarter over and what has been done about jobs? Some measly-ass token $14B law that isn’t gonna do squat!
bernzright777 on March 20, 2010 at 7:44 AM
Laughing, through a sea of bitter tears.
J.J. Sefton on March 20, 2010 at 7:45 AM
Jay Mac,
Wrong, the country survived lots of things and understand something, the rules have changed and this “victory” for the Democrats is an opportunity to smash the left once and for all.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 7:45 AM
But they are moaning over at Planned Parenthood
gatorfanatic on March 20, 2010 at 7:46 AM
gatorfanatic on March 20, 2010 at 7:46 AM
Yes, they are moaning tht they don’t want the bill changed! That tells ya everything.
KickandSwimMom on March 20, 2010 at 7:47 AM
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Are the at school Planned Parenthood (what a lie) clinics in the bill? Somewhere in that 2700 pages it must give them funding for outreach.
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RalphyBoy on March 20, 2010 at 7:53 AM
what an awful post to wake up to.
Stupak has to know that anything he does in the House will not likely be repeated/accepted/liked in the Senate.
or is this just for cover like his Stupak amendment last time? if so, then his pro-life stance is just one for show.
and i don’t believe that internal polling in swing districts is better than we think. add to all McCain voters the ones outraged during the summer “townhalls”, then add to that everyone that is frightened about the debt (another 1-2%), then add another 1% of people horrified over the process & you’ve got some districts 60% opposed. believe it or not, many Dem Congressman live in exactly those districts.
kelley in virginia on March 20, 2010 at 7:55 AM
I don’t believe he’s going to cave. Here’s why! Brad Ellsworth from Indiana came out yesterday in favor of the bill. He was a major switch. He’d been part of the Stupak bloc. If the Stupak block was going to cave, why wouldn’t Ellsworth have made his announcement with them?
Oink on March 20, 2010 at 7:57 AM
I see your point. I was just trying to show how I think there’s a lot of discomfort out there.
gatorfanatic on March 20, 2010 at 7:58 AM
So . . . you guys remember that little “meeting” Pelosi had with the female members of the caucus?
I’m thinking it was a dramatic huddle. Look at Planned Parenthood’s sterile outrage in their form letter to Hoyer. I’ll bet the “outraged” march into the speaker’s office by pro-choicers was planned as well.
This is misdirection. If we are all calling Stupak, we aren’t calling the ones that will tip this thing over.
Time to start chipping away at the mandates.
-T
Jacob Marley on March 20, 2010 at 8:00 AM
Don’t be too sure. Principal Pelosi was calling her rebellious students into her office well past 10:00 last night. She has too many factions within her caucus to mollify, and tempers are rising.
As far as ObaMao is concerned, he always shines in front of brain-dead adoring crowds. That is why he prefers carefully controlled events. They stroke his insatiable ego.
onlineanalyst on March 20, 2010 at 8:01 AM
Also, even if this thing gets over the finish line, it is going to be fought tooth and nail for YEARS. Not to mention amended and amended and amended by both sides until its just another watered down Medicare package. The only way I can do anything about that is to give the government as little as possible. They deserve nothing.
Gatsu on March 20, 2010 at 8:05 AM
Fox just announced that Pelosi has the votes.
AnninCA on March 20, 2010 at 8:10 AM
Gatsu,
yup, this is not the end, its the end of the beginning. And you have a point about the government, every American should treat this bill with same morality and legality that the Democrats treated this issue. By the way, I still don’t think they have the votes and expect tomorrows vote to be pushed back.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 8:11 AM
ted c – you da man!
yoda on March 20, 2010 at 8:13 AM
One of Mark Steyn’s best re the Age of ObaMao Deemoc(k)racy: http://article.nationalreview.com/428594/welcome-to-deemocracy/mark-steyn
There no longer will be a middle class if this bill passes. Government growth through unfunded mandates will grind us to a halt.
onlineanalyst on March 20, 2010 at 8:16 AM
If dragon lady had the votes, it would have taken place at 3:30 this morning and we would have awakened (if we got any sleep at all) to the headline. That said, that might be what happens today, G-d forbid.
I think the scene at the Capitol today is going to scare the living hell out of whomever is allegedly undecided, and they wanted to avoid that scene if at all possible.
KEEP BURNING THE PHONE LINES! AUX BARRICADES!
J.J. Sefton on March 20, 2010 at 8:21 AM
Will the phones be answered today?
OmahaConservative on March 20, 2010 at 8:26 AM
This thing will never go to the Senate.
The House will pass the package.
Nancy will pull out the Senate language.
Send it to the President.
All hell breaks lose because that shit is illegal.
uknowmorethanme on March 20, 2010 at 8:26 AM
I have no idea. If I type what I really would like to do I would be banned and later sent for “re-education.”
J.J. Sefton on March 20, 2010 at 8:29 AM
I hope and pray a big crowd shows up today.
yoda on March 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM
AnninCA,
In theory she is at 216 based on their whip count, that hardly means passage. By the way if its 216 to 215 over such a bill is highlights once and for all Obama’s incompetent governing style.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 8:31 AM
i agree that this will not go back to the Senate. and even if it does, the SEnate does not under any circumstances want to get involved in this. they will refuse to take it up just as they have refused to deal with 80% of the bills coming over from the House already this year.
so all of the fixes to placate all the wavering Dems will sink silently to the bottom of the Tidal Basin. The House Dems know this, too. all the fixes have been for cover.
we must work against anyone who voted YES–not necessarily because this bill is so bad (yes, it is), but because they voted YES against our will & thru a corrupt & sham process.
if you are in a Republican district or overwhelming Dem district, consider helping those of us that can conceivably oust our Dem Congressman. Several Virginia districts are this way. We are hospitable, the food is good & it sleets on Election Day only 1 in 20 years.
kelley in virginia on March 20, 2010 at 8:34 AM
if Pelosi knows for certain that she can get 216-215, she will do it. sure, everybody in the country will be on fire, but they don’t care.
this thing has moved a long way from “bi-partisanship” or congeniality or even legality many months ago.
kelley in virginia on March 20, 2010 at 8:35 AM
kelley,
Exactly, and I know a lot of people are viewing possible passage as the end. They are wrong, this is the Left’s Mission Accomplished moment, we will crush them for this and their is a great deal of opportunity here to destroy not just the Democrats, but the media and all of the elites that make up the self-anointed ruling class.
rob verdi on March 20, 2010 at 8:37 AM
All of the parasitic whiners in this country should be happy, it appears that they are about to get more free crap from the nanny state . . . of course it’s at the expense of all the productive, responsible people in the nation. These are sick, sick times.
rplat on March 20, 2010 at 8:38 AM
I can use a little help here in NYC. We’ve got Nadler, Ackerman and Weiner as well as Schumer an Gillibrand. What are the odds?
Feh!
J.J. Sefton on March 20, 2010 at 8:40 AM
Please never forget my fellow Nebraskans:
If Judas Nelson had not voted for cloture, we wouldn’t be here today.
Cornhusker Kickback.
OmahaConservative on March 20, 2010 at 8:48 AM
As with all utopian adventures, this … as well as other “projects” the communist democrats have in mind will eventually overwhelm those who are taxed to provide for others and the entire system will collapse.
See Greece.
darwin on March 20, 2010 at 8:49 AM
I just noticed obamas approval rating on RCP is 47.5 for, and 47.7 against. I’ve not seen him in the negative over at RCP, has this happened before?
bernzright777 on March 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM
Wonder if Mrs. Stupak got any sleep last night? I sure didn’t…
OmahaConservative on March 20, 2010 at 8:54 AM
Now, for a Saturday AM eye-opener…
OmahaConservative on March 20, 2010 at 8:57 AM
You had me worried until the tipster said the internal polling was better than they expected. Given the mood of the country right now, I find that difficult to give much credence to. Watched Greta last night talking to some Italian D rep from Il, who said he was Catholic but left his belief and faith at the door of Congress, that’s how he reconciled his yes vote for abortion. GOD don’t like ugly or wishy washy.
Kissmygrits on March 20, 2010 at 9:00 AM
It’s Congressional Jihad for Obama:
And according to this article, it’s as American as apple pie!
Cybergeezer on March 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM
NRO
Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:06 AM
ugh. When did this happen??? What did Sapwolf say that could be ban worthy?
conservative pilgrim on March 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM
In my mind killing this bill is more important than having the GOP take over Congress. If I was the GOP I would be willing to make a few deals with Dems to not fund their opponents.
lavell12 on March 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM
You’re evil, man ……. I’m blinded for the rest of the day.
Jerome Horwitz on March 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM
Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:24 AM
NRO
Wethal on March 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM
I listened to Stupak on Greta last night. It didn’t sound like he is caving on anything.
And by the way, his family is being harrassed . . . all of his family. The lefties are making the life of anyone who has a relationship horrendous.
Voter from WA State on March 20, 2010 at 9:51 AM
Wonder if it matters how they vote anymore. The American people are so fed up that they will vote for the even marginally better candidate in November no matter what party or how they voted. It’s no longer primarily OCare, it’s the you’ll take it and like it attitude of our supposed representatives. This is a time of deep mis-trust of our law makers on a gut level. They can yea or nay I think, it no longer matters. Most of them will be history anyway. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong reasons—they all have come to be poster children for a growing, fundamental need for a different kind of person in DC.
jeanie on March 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM
As Rep King(R) from Iowa mentioned, since Roe v. Wade, liberals have been arguing that the govt. has no control of the bodies of females, yet they now advocate the govt have control over everyone’s body!?!?!?
armyaj09 on March 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM
Tom Delay said on Cavuto right now they are only 4 votes from this bill being killed and right now the lefties do not have enough votes to pass the bill.
Voter from WA State on March 20, 2010 at 10:10 AM
I’ve said since Kucinich flipped that she has the votes, they’re just fluid and ties into what AP referred to regarding vulnerability. Go back and look at the drama around the first vote and you can see how high the House could have crested over 218 if she wanted.
Scott Brown won in the first week of December. Today is the first day of Spring. We just spent the ENTIRE WINTER fixated on OCare because it feeds ALL media 24/7, including FNC and the web.
We’re now going to spend the ENTIRE SPRING fixated on Congressional wars and in Obama Campaign Mode.
WHY?
Because the only way to fix the economy quickly is the Reagan model and he won’t do that because he sees it as the cause of the bubble markets. So unemployment will remain high into 2011.
He has one shot to save the mid-terms and that’s the remaining stimulus injection.
But Stimulus money isn’t having an effect longer than six months, so the plane drops can’t start until June.
We need to expand the media’s argument. Otherwise the mid-terms won’t be a route.
budfox on March 20, 2010 at 10:12 AM
I saw that. Delay said we only need 215 NO votes. So, how does that figure? I’m all for it, but just don’t get it. BTW, Delay is more optimistic today than he was yesterday on Bill Bennetts radio show with Rick Santorum.
gatorfanatic on March 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Pelosi and Obama are performing the biggest bluff in American political history. They do not have the votes, know they don’t have the votes and at this point, are only left with the pressure of the actual floor vote to change 3-5 ‘No’s to ‘yeas
It ain’t gonna happen.
We are about to see the biggest political gamble/failure in American history.
I envision the GOP to begin chanting ‘USA’ when #215 is tallyed in the no column tomorrow. It will begin slowly, then swell to consume the entire chamber.
Tomorrow, 3/21/10 will go down as the day Americans stood their ground and saved the union.
tatersalad on March 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM
Speaker Pelosi is really going to have an uphill battle to pass Obama’s Health Care fiasco if what I heard and found out is true.
Oregon’s Rep. Peter DeFazio is a NO is like the Generals Executive Officer giving the General an opposing strategy.
MSGTAS on March 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM
There are more battles ahead. We win in the end, but expect losses along the way.
True_King on March 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM
and not the other channels ? a bit surprising no? who is feeding this news to fox ? some people who know Fox’s demographics perhaps ? maybe somebody wants the pressure on to stop ?
runner on March 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM
As those who voted no change to yes seems they are selling out. Bart Gordon and John Tanner from Tennessee are backstabbing cowards that have definitely sold out for personal gain. There has to be away of addressing corruption of this magnitude. Lying and stealing are everywhere and no one tries to stop it.
volsense on March 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Fox announced Thursday, and Friday that Pelosi has the votes. Not sure if I believe them. Stupak did cancel his news conference so maybe Nan got him on board.
sandee on March 20, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Cavuto and Freepers just announced Stupak deal is out. The Pro-Abortionists stormed Pelosi’s office and said no. Pelosi decided to side with Pro-Abortion Dems (they have more members).
sarahpalinfan99 on March 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Stupak cancels press conference. Has a deal been reached, or was there a breakdown?
yogi41 on March 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Fox News breaking that Stupak has cancelled his presser for 11 am eastern today.
koz on March 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM
It’s amazing that killing children is the most important part of this bill for democrats.
I thought we had to have this now because eeeevil insurance companies were killing thousands of people everyday.
darwin on March 20, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Nancy Pelosi: “The biggest threat facing America today is unborn children. We must pass this bill to protect the American people from this grave threat. Passage will ensure these dangerous children are snuffed out quickly”.
darwin on March 20, 2010 at 10:57 AM
The Corner
INC on March 20, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Tater, I think you’re spot on. Tomorrow will be the day the ObowMao reign died.
On that note, Ed and AP will no longer get the benefit of my wit and reason. When you banned my compatriot Sapwolf, you banned me. I will stand with my friends.
Where will you stand?
FREEDOM!
Blacksmith8 on March 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Does Pelosi really think that that by allowing some members of the caucus to vote ‘no’ she is really protecting their seats? I’ll bet many, may of them are going to be unseated in Nov anyway, even with a no vote.
ElRonaldo on March 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Deem and Pass dropped? Does that mean they have the votes?
Or does it mean they need some other way of getting the votes (like an executive order bribe?).
This was not a good weekend to give up psilocybin mushrooms.
Mr. Joe on March 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Do NOT listen to these liars, fools, opportunists and narcissists. Do not listen to them….. (How for example do you insure 30 million NEW people and have a reduction in costs/and deficit???? For God’s sake it can’t be done yet people are mesmerized when this fool speaks. Please pay attention for the sake of our God, our forefathers and our kids and grand and great grand kids. Please listen and pay attention to what is going on. The only thing we can do now is make the 11/2010 election a blowout like the world has never seen. Please……….
Instead…..gird your loins. It is time. This government is taking OUR AMERICA into places we do not want to be and have never been. Why are we sitting here like fools. This is what happened in Cuba,China, NK, and all of so called Western Europe which is now socialized. Please, do NOT allow our country to succumb to this end.
highninside on March 20, 2010 at 10:19 PM
STORM THE BASTILLE…….. OBAMA SAYS, LET THEM EAT CAKE.
STORM THE EFFING BASTILLE AND BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE…… THIS IS TYRANNY AS NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY BEEN PRACTICED….. PLEASE LISTEN AMERICA!!!!
highninside on March 20, 2010 at 10:21 PM
From TheHayride.com Obamacare Watch:
“Update 3-20, 7:30 PM: The Minority Leader’s office is distributing the following comments about an Executive Order “deal”:
US Conference of Catholic Bishops: “No regulation, policy letter from HRSA, or other executive action can withstand a statutory mandate, construed by federal courts applying a constitutional decision on abortion.”
National Right to Life Committee: “If the [Senate] bill is signed into law, these statutory requirements and defects are not subject to correction or nullification by the chief executive or his appointees, whether by Executive Order, regulation, or otherwise.””
sarahpalinfan99 on March 21, 2010 at 12:29 AM
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