What’s taking the CBO so long for its analysis? Update: $940 billion? Update: CBO denies?
posted at 10:12 am on March 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
The entire political world waited yesterday for a report from the Congressional Budget Office that would either allow Democrats to schedule a vote on Saturday for ObamaCare or collapse the effort altogether. The six PM deadline came and went without a peep out of the CBO, pushing any potential vote into next week. What happened? The Washington Times reports today that the CBO has found itself buried under the task of continually re-scoring ObamaCare proposals — and they’re not alone:
President Obama’s agenda has so overloaded Congress that its legislative gatekeepers – the analysts who score each bill and the auditors who weed out waste and fraud – can’t keep up.
Repeated requests from lawmakers seeking to have their health care reform plans evaluated have overwhelmed the Congressional Budget Office, where some health analysts are putting in 100-hour workweeks. Meanwhile, the Government Accountability Office, Congress’ chief investigative arm, says it needs an additional 144 staffers just to track waste and abuse from the $862 billion Recovery Act that was enacted last year.
“The almost-round-the-clock schedule maintained this past year by CBO’s current staff cannot be maintained much longer,” that agency’s director, Douglas W. Elmendorf, testified Wednesday to a House Appropriations subcommittee as he made a pitch to add new staff to his stressed-out team.
Mr. Elmendorf said the work is so continuous that his computer technicians have a hard time finding a chance to update software, since someone is almost always using the system, even to work from home at night.
When this health-care debate started, no one could have predicted that the CBO would be continually rescoring revised ObamaCare drafts into March. Don’t forget that Barack Obama originally demanded a bill by the end of July 2009, confident that a 60-seat Senate majority and a 70+ majority in the House meant easy passage. Instead, Democrats have conducted a number of back-room rewrites, huddling with lobbyists from Big Labor and others, to produce a non-stop series of versions of the bill. Each of those had to be scored by the CBO, and that takes a significant amount of time to accomplish for each iteration.
The GAO’s predicament was much more predictable. The massive outlay of government cash in Porkulus practically sent up flares for con men and fraudsters to take advantage of the Obama administration’s profligacy. Fraud always comes to the money, after all. The administration put Joe Biden in charge, but apparently failed to properly staff the function when the money got spent. Now the GAO needs almost 150 people to pick up the pieces long after the cash has gone out the door.
So when will the CBO have its umpteenth analysis of the umpteenth version of ObamaCare submitted by Democrats? When it finds time to breathe, they’ll let you know. In the meantime, though, we should consider whether the CBO has been overworked to the point of a reduction of quality in its analysis. After a few months, those 100-hour work weeks would make anyone loopy. Under the working conditions described by Elmendorf, how much confidence can we put in CBO analyses?
Update: And as soon as this post went up, the wire services have begun reporting a $940 billion price tag, under the magic $1 trillion that would have spelled political death:
House Democrats are on track for a Sunday vote on sweeping health care legislation that will expand coverage to millions of uninsured while also reducing the federal deficit, leaders said Thursday.
The bill delivers on President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority by providing coverage to more than 30 million people now uninsured at a 10-year cost of $940 billion. It does so through a combination of tax credits for middle class households and an expansion of the Medicaid program for low income people.
However, the AP is careful not to attribute that number to the CBO — and the CBO’s sites have no such analysis posted as of yet. It appears to be coming from Democrats on the Hill.
Update II: As I suspected, the source for this price is House Democrats:
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., today said the health care bill endorsed by President Obama would reduce the deficit by $130 billion over the next 10 years and by more than $1 trillion in the next decade.
In a report to be released today, the Congressional Budget Office estimates the bill will cost $940 billion over 10 years, according to Democratic House leadership.
And it may very well say that, but so far the CBO hasn’t said it. We’ll see, and then we’ll see how it got to that number and whether the claims made by Democrats this morning actually pan out.
Update III: Paul Ryan’s office has just released a statement saying that the CBO denies that they have completed their analysis:
The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate. Yet House Democrats are touting to the press – and spinning for partisan gain – numbers that have not been released and are impossible to confirm. Rep. James Clyburn stated he was “giddy” about these unsubstantiated numbers. This is the latest outrageous exploitation by the Majority – in this case abusing the confidentiality of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office – to pass their massive health care overhaul at any cost.









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Hey, once you throw out the rules and decide to ‘deem’ a bill passed that wasn’t voted on, it’s not that hard to ‘deem’ that the CBO scored it when they really haven’t.
Midas on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
DemonRATs? Lie? Surely you can’t be serious. </sarcasm_Airplane>
steveegg on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
If something starts up, I’m going.
Darksean on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
You mean the dems lied? I’m shocked.
Vashta.Nerada on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
When it’s “free”, people will run to the doctor for every sniffle, ache, and pain. That will drive costs up along with demand, and the supply will go down.
It’s not about “screw them, they don’t deserve medical treatment”, it’s about financial responsibility.
John Deaux on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
There is no way. This bill will cost a minimum of 4 times what their estimate is. Need we remind them of the $40 billion Medicare prescription drug plan pushed by the other socialist, Bush, that has turned into over $400 billion?
RWLA on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
God bless you Paul Ryan. Keep at it.
gophergirl on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
I’m guessing that in the future, anyone with cash will move to the front of the line for doctor’s visits. Any doctor with a brain will simply move to an all-cash practice. This bill does not and cannot force any doctor to accept Medicare, Medicaid, or any publicly-subsidized insurance.
So we should all just self-insure, refuse to pay the fine, and pay cash.
rockmom on March 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Then you can change insurance plans and/or doctors. Wait until it affects everyone and there is no alternative.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM
there are no new taxes.
Decider on March 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM
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Then WERE is the money Coming from?
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Chip: From the saved and created jobs!(sarc).
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 10:59 AM
It’s a shell game. We all know it’s a shell game. 10 years of tax revenues to pay for 6 years of benefits. The CBO is OK with that, even though they know damn well the fix is in. I wish I could have heard the phone calls going back and forth between the WH and CBO for the last two days.
They are stealing my country. We will never get it back.
fogw on March 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Exactly. But that’s not a reason to oppose HCR. That contradicts even the GOP ideas, which are to expand access, too.
I’m not going there with you guys. LOL* I’m not in favor of keeping the status quo.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM
I fear for the safety of the CBO and their families. Pelosi is on record saying they would do whatever it takes to pass thier version of Soviet health care.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Just as the Dems have made a mockery out of the Constitution, they are making a mockery out of the CBO. Manipulate it to get what you want and try to sell it as fact.
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM
“Numbers game” soundbite,
from AM radio top of the news hour break!!
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM
We have concluded, Decider receives his “insight” from Google and MSNBC talking points, with an op-ed from WAPO…
Odie1941 on March 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Once the single payer is here, cash will be illegal as payment as it will be unfair to move to the front of the line just because you saved a little money and the guy behind you bought a SUV.
Electrongod on March 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Then WERE is the money Coming from?
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 10:53 AM
- – -
As they say in Detroit……….. O bamas stash
bluegrass on March 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM
There are, actually. This has to be paid for, and they’re going to make YOU pay for it. Whether you want it or not.
It would help if you, you know, knew what the hell you were talking about.
Good Lt on March 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM
“Doctor’s quit? Right. Where will they go? Go work for Wal-mart?”
They would also put in fewer hours. Less incentive, less work..simple as that
Rayhummel on March 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM
No body’s perfect, thanks for the correction..
The point still holds.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM
That’s cute, but we’re in favor of fixing the status quo.
Not clusterf*cking it and destroying it forever like the Democrats and Obama are.
Just because something needs to be done doesn’t then automatically mean that anything the Democrats want to do is the “solution.”
Good Lt on March 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM
” WHAT DO YOU THINK A STIMULUS IS? ”
Remember those words?
bluegrass on March 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM
I’ve said all along that the problem is in implementation. I have shared here, ad nauseum, that I’m a Kaiser “baby.” I went through the growing pains with that HMO. It’s a very, very solid healthcare delivery system right now, but it took time and feedback and changes.
For example, the HMO went through a draconian stage, where doctors were over-controlled. Patients rebelled. They tweaked the system. That no longer is an issue.
They went through cost-cutting too much on nursing care. The labor union rebelled. They tweaked. And I think it’s now pretty good working conditions and adequate coverage for patients.
Kaiser is an excellent example of a healthcare delivery program which took 20 years to evolve. It was bumpy at times. I personally figured out how to “work the system,” and then….the problem would eventually be resolved.
What I see is 20 years of a lot of PPO groups and private practices rebuilding the same mousetrap.
It’ll be an implementation issue.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM
In the same way DDS’s do business now. I have had extensive dental work – and know plenty of DDS’s. They flat out believe dental insurance needs to be “serious” or just throw it all out.
I dont fault them for running their own businesses and making money – because they realized, while not “fair” – cash or prepaid services is the only way they can pay their bills.
Odie1941 on March 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Breaking;
Reps are calling for millions to show up at Capitol on Saturday.
katy on March 18, 2010 at 10:39 AM
katy:)
============================
Rep. Steve King (R-IA): Saturday House Call Rally At The Capitol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOoulGSTyY8&feature=related
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Nor am I. But I don’t believe making the situation worse is going to make things better. You don’t clean up a coffee spill on your kitchen floor with a nuke strike.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Actually, what I have seen is docs moving to plastic surgery which is out of pocket expense or setting up other businesses outside of the medical field. It is sad, they are great docs too.
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Update: The democrats are liars and scoundrels.
Mr. Arrogant on March 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM
I agree with them. Some of the private dental plans are a paperwork waste of time, the benefits are so lousy.
I pay cash, and I’ve never had trouble negotiating a very fair price.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM
I called it yesterday. The Dems didn’t bother forcing the CBO to re-score with new assumptions in order to cook the books… they’re frenzied and desperate enough to just make up their own numbers and lie.
joe_doufu on March 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Far-left national socialists like ‘Decider’ live in a fantasy world where people will always sacrifice themselves to the collective – because that’s the ONLY way their Statist systems can work.
In the Real world, people don’t really Like to be enslaved in a Statist utopia – This fact is absolutely shocking to Far-left national socialists like ‘Decider’.
Since they will not Chose to be enslaved, they drop out of the system – with more of the burden transferring to others still enslaved – causing even more to drop out until the system collapses.
Statism = Guaranteed Failure.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM
You’re nuts. I’m really sick and tired of people like you who actually think this is about health care. I’m tired of ignorant people who don’t take five damn minutes to read and think about the goals, and consequences of such actions.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM
You know, after a hard day at work, sometimes I think I would like one or two of whatever pills you are taking…
Fines. Fees. Tax on insurance plans, tax on manufactures. Where do you do your homework, the Pelosi basement?
JusDreamin on March 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Kaiser =/= federal government.
Kaiser is a private entity. They can adjust to conditions and evolve.
The government, by definition, encourages permanence and stagnation. And you will get that. LOTS of it.
Your argument makes no sense. A private insurer changed to get better, and yet, we have to destroy private ensurers and entrust health care to the entity that destroyed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the housing sector, the mortgage market, etc.
Good Lt on March 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM
You haven’t heard of the story of the Ob-Gyn doctors who got tired of paying huge malpractice insurance fees, left their practice, and opened a pizza joint.
Emperor Norton on March 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Knowing Obama himself has stated he wants government run, single-payer healthcare? Do you think he is kidding? Do you really not see where this monster is heading?
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM
AMEN – health care just opens the door because people are too damn dumb to realize this is big brother wanting control of every part of your life.
This has to go down.
gophergirl on March 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM
A neighbor of mine (Toronto, Canada) was recently vacationing in Costa Rica, during which time, he suffered liver failure. He spent 8 days in a San Jose hospital where he was stabilized. The doctor there determined that he would require surgery to, at best, remove a portion of his liver, or at worst, undergo a liver transplant. He recommended that his patient be returned to Toronto for immediate surgery, but would not release him until a hospital confirmed his admission upon arrival. He received such assurance from Toronto General and so my neighbor was flown back on a Friday afternoon, arriving around 6pm. Upon his arrival at Toronto General, he was informed that there were no available beds/rooms. He was placed on a gurney and left waiting in a hallway. On Sunday afternoon, some 48 hours later, he remained in that gurney. No doctor had been by to see him. He died that afternoon at age 62.
So, my American friends, if your Kind Leader is successful in passing Obamacare, this is what your health care future will be. Best of luck and you best quit drinking now.
Syd B. on March 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM
I agree with you, and I agree with Brit Hume in his political analysis. The Dems have wanted this for decades. This is their only shot at it. They are going for broke.
I disagree with the armchair pundits that it means it will be impossible to “delete.”
I personally think that’s old thinking. Any bill with so little public support isn’t going to turn into a great deal overnight and persuade everyone that it’s a great deal.
If it’s the disaster I personally think it will be? It’ll be rolled back.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Then where is the money Coming from?
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Single-payer isn’t going to be an issue in my lifetime. I’m sure of that.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM
And it’s out. Going over it now…
steveegg on March 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM
My wifes doctor was OB/GYN and went to GP because of the huge malpractice she had to pay.
My doctor is stressed to the max about this crap. He believes it’ll destroy the best health care in the world.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM
the majority is grasping at straws here—they’re groping, feckless and utterly reaching for the ring. This is far from a fait accompli. They are merely waiting you out. Contact your state legislature, your state representatives that sit in your state capitol. Hold them responsible.
ted c on March 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM
The $940B number is merely the dems telegraphing to the CBO the number that it has to present.
Vashta.Nerada on March 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Hey, once you throw out the rules and decide to ‘deem’ a bill passed that wasn’t voted on, it’s not that hard to ‘deem’ that the CBO scored it when they really haven’t.
Midas on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM
>>>>>>>>
Exactly. Either America reclaims the rule of law or we are done. How many times do we have to be “fooled” into thinking the biggest issue we face is NOT the rule of law? Until we view every assault on the rule of law as an assault on America, it doesn’t even matter what laws get passed. That’s why having communists codifying laws into regulations means the death of this nation, as well as letting dems control who gets audited by the IRS, what voter intimidation cases get dropped, and whose FCC licenses get revoked. The smallest little details become an avenue to kill this great nation, when crooks are in office.
And this full-blown attack today was initiated with the “little white lie” that even “conservatives” were willing to bend over backwards to embrace. http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
It’s all part of the complete package. One lie leads to another. They won’t stop until we’re all neutered, and as long as we let them get away with it we deserve to be neutered.
justincase on March 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM
WTH?!!! You think this will be a disaster but support it? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
We won’t have the votes to repeal this crap in 2010, nor is it likely we’ll have them in 2012. Obama isn’t likely to repeal his own legislation, and we’d require 60 votes in the Senate to override a veto. We currently hold 41.
Now, piece-by-piece repealing or Constitutional challenges are more likely over years. But I’m not looking forward to spending the next decade-and-a-half fighting tooth-and-nail to repeal disastrous legislation that will already be in effect.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Try 10 root canals, 4 bridges and 6 crowns!!! (roughly $25,000 out of pocket)
I understand what you are saying Ann – but the prediction of better things to come – just doesnt jive with human behavior. DDS’s saw that mounting paperwork and run around – and pivoted to a cash-based system. I even joined a private DDS’s own plan – for $100 / month – that went above and beyond “good DDS” coverage that I received with my company – which is basically an annual cleaning, check up and half of 1 root canal per year.
I dont beleive in this bill, and have dealt with Dr’s extensively in my families history. While not perfect – they kept my father alive for 27 years, including 6 open heart surgery’s – to the tune of $7.2M in HC coverage.
As americanpundit said “You don’t clean up a coffee stain with a nuke”
Odie1941 on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Yeah, you just keep thinking that. Keep thinking insurance is evil and doctors are greedy.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
“It’s Obama’s money”, didn’t you get the memo?
/sarc
fogw on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Good move on his/her part.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Too bad the actual score won’t be $999,999,999,999.99. One lousy penny under a trillion. That might be enough to get people to march on Washington.
Thunderstorm129 on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
I’m in love with Paul Ryan!
Oink on March 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Ann, you are so naive. The words Obama spoke about single payer are the only words I have ever believed to be truth coming out of his mouth.
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM
A lot of doctors are greedy. And sloppy. And drug/alcohol addicted.
Get real.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Everybody knows that it will not work out the way that politicians claim. The cost will triple or quadruple, in actuality, and the savings will be far less or non-existent. Making promises is the way politicians and governments get you to give up resources and rights for them to manage for you.
.
Any time you let government, or anyone else, run your life, you will have the life they are capable of giving you, not the life you can build for yourself. Governments and politicians are big on promises and short on delivery because the eventual costs are too great to be managed by a welfare state, exactly as Alinsky preached.
ExpressoBold on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM
So why did I just hear on the News for radio KWQW FM out of IA that the Bill has been scored and it will SAVE $100bn from the deficit.
Sultry Beauty on March 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM
I am too. Next time I’m in DC I’d like to try to meet him just to say thank you for everything he has done whether this goes down or not.
If this does go down – he’s one of the main reasons.
gophergirl on March 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM
ah the sweet, sweet smell of desperation… you know the numbers are correct. prolonging the denial of the obvious will just make the next stage of grief worse.
sesquipedalian on March 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM
When the government will control what insurance charges, who they’ll cover, what they’ll cover, and decide what treatment you’ll get … you’re already there.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM
A lot of doctors are greedy. And sloppy. And drug/alcohol addicted.
Get real.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM
So are a lot of liberals, Just look at congress…
SHARPTOOTH on March 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Have they posted the Reconciliation Bill here? I got the link from 538.com, but can find no news report on it. If this link is genuine, Sec 100 (a)(3)(b), Secs 221-223 of the Reconciliation Bill create a public option.
Bart DePalma on March 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM
I’m looking at the report, but I can’t figure out how to read it. Can a knowledgeable person check CBO.
andy85719 on March 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM
You my dear – are the reason we are in this mess in the first place.
Thinking like that got us Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
Demonize the doctors – good move. They save lives you know.
gophergirl on March 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM
OK, you can leave now. You broke my dumb-o-meter.
fogw on March 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Won’t happen.
Apart from the fact that very little ever gets rolled back, this bill is not set up that way.
For one thing, virtually no one pays attention, and many that do have short attention spans. This disaster will be slow to develop, it will be 2015 until the very first ripples will be felt.
It will be a slow, prolonged chain of events from that point and it will be very easy to assign blame to other causes and treat them as isolated incidents.
reaganaut on March 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM
From the CBO report:
“Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections.”
Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Update#3…so democrats lie to advance their agenda? Didn’t see that coming!
milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Oh goody! Nothing could make me happier than a giddy congressweasel.
katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2010 at 11:19 AM
So are a lot of politicians, and they will be overseeing this healthcare boondoggle.
Electrongod on March 18, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Fallacious appeal to emotion, Annie. People with no health insurance coverage use free clinics and publicly funded hospitals, often teaching hospitals like in my town. Here’s a news flash: We’ve already paid for those services with our taxes. Those that can afford health insurance are exactly the same as any other aspect of our economy – they get the services they pay for. You don’t get steak at McDonald’s for a buck. If you want to eat premium, you have to pay for it.
Tires for your car are the same.
Home maintainence.
Education.
Clothing.
Every other part of our economy offers a pay-for-value model, and health care does as well. If, by your own admission, we allow any patient into the ‘premium’ doctors offices, not only does the doctor only get paid ‘McDonald’s’ prices, everyone will have to wait and everyone will get McDonald’s care – you often don’t know your order is wrong until you get home.
But you go on your EMO instincts – because you feel good, and you force that on everyone else – they must share your emotion whether they want to or not. What’s that called when some force their views and fortunes on others equally? Hmmmm?
TinMan13 on March 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM
First, I’m more likely to sleep with Jessica Alba this weekend than the bill is to lower the deficit.
Second, the numbers you’re hearing are coming from House Democrats. There’s no official CBO score.
Third, the cost only allegedly comes in at $940 billion because we pay taxes for four years before benefits kick-in.
Finally, $100 billion is less than the annual deficit per month. The monthly deficit is above $200 billion.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Like I said, you display an abnormal hatred for doctors. You have problems. Maybe you flunked out of med school, or wanted to be a doctor but life dictated otherwise … I don’t know, but it’s quite obvious your support of HCR is based on your severe hatred for the medical profession and a desire to see them put under thumb and destroyed.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM
I give you the Family Kennedy.
PappaMac on March 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Now the CBO score is supposedly out, and it has big caveats.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 11:22 AM
ugh Lying Democrats.
becki51758 on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Here it is:
H.R. 4872, Reconciliation Act of 2010
March 18, 2010 pdf
Estimate of direct spending and revenue effects for the amendment in the nature of a substitute released on March 18, 2010
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf
Patriot Vet on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
*blink*
LOL*
come on. They use the ER rooms.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Watch Ogabe, Nanzi and Dingy Harry pat themselves on the back for $999.99999 billion.
Caper29 on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Does it matter? The treasonous media will lie and distort.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
So are a lot of politicians and their staffers.
Get real.
I work with and around hundreds of doctors per year, and none of them are “sloppy (as if you’d know),” “drug-addicted” or “greedy.” You don’t know what you’re talking about.
As if rich politicians in the Democrat party who aren’t giving away their fortunes are somehow not “greedy” by your childish standard (which appears to be “WaaaahhhhQ He has more than me! Gimme gimme gimme!”)
Good Lt on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Again, by your fallacious guilt by association argument, the level of care anyone gets in the USA is horrid. If this is so, why argue for an expansion of availability of lousy service? By your own argument, the health care system is broken, yet you advocate increasing the number of people seeing these wrecks of societies excesses – thereby making all of us less safe.
By your own ill-logic, we should be reforming the health care providers, not the insurance industry.
TinMan13 on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Someone has doctor issues. Was your ex-husband a doctor Ann?
thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Seriously, people. Stop putting doctors on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM
I don’t know what bubble you live in … but many cities and towns have free clinics.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Aha, so Nancy forced the committee to release a preliminary estimate that the committee itself says is probably wrong. Hmm.
andy85719 on March 18, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Kids of 2010 Bury Time Capsule Preserving U.S. Constitution, After-Tax Paychecks for Future Generations http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/kids-of-2010-bury-time-capsule.html
Mervis Winter on March 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Thats MY Representative! I’m happy to say I am proud of my Congressman!
lovingmyUSA on March 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Uh, yes, in the publicly funded hospitals I spoke of. Can you not read more than three words at a time?
I’ll be honest, I haven’t been to DemRep Kolliforneeya in a long time, but here on the border in Texas, there are plenty of free clinics. Not open long hours, but they’re here.
TinMan13 on March 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM
We’re not. The problem is that you’re so far to the other extreme, full blown hatred for doctors, that our discussion … which includes “doctors” … seems like glowing praise to you.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Ann, what health care do YOU provide for people if “doctors” are so eeeeeeevil?
Answer: None.
And you claim docs are “drug addicted” and “alcoholic” and “sloppy?” Name 10 who are still practicing.
Good Lt on March 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM
A lot of middle-aged women are greedy. And ignorant. And entitlement addicted.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Clowder-Piven — Make them use their own rules and overwhelm the system.
This is by design.
AZ_Redneck on March 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Then why not doctor reform before health insurance reform? Increasing patient counts will not provide better care from the tonsil hunters you speak of, Annie, more people will be hurt by the pathetic sawbones, instead.
TinMan13 on March 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM
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