What’s taking the CBO so long for its analysis? Update: $940 billion? Update: CBO denies?

posted at 10:12 am on March 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The entire political world waited yesterday for a report from the Congressional Budget Office that would either allow Democrats to schedule a vote on Saturday for ObamaCare or collapse the effort altogether.  The six PM deadline came and went without a peep out of the CBO, pushing any potential vote into next week.  What happened?  The Washington Times reports today that the CBO has found itself buried under the task of continually re-scoring ObamaCare proposals — and they’re not alone:

President Obama’s agenda has so overloaded Congress that its legislative gatekeepers – the analysts who score each bill and the auditors who weed out waste and fraud – can’t keep up.

Repeated requests from lawmakers seeking to have their health care reform plans evaluated have overwhelmed the Congressional Budget Office, where some health analysts are putting in 100-hour workweeks. Meanwhile, the Government Accountability Office, Congress’ chief investigative arm, says it needs an additional 144 staffers just to track waste and abuse from the $862 billion Recovery Act that was enacted last year.

“The almost-round-the-clock schedule maintained this past year by CBO’s current staff cannot be maintained much longer,” that agency’s director, Douglas W. Elmendorf, testified Wednesday to a House Appropriations subcommittee as he made a pitch to add new staff to his stressed-out team.

Mr. Elmendorf said the work is so continuous that his computer technicians have a hard time finding a chance to update software, since someone is almost always using the system, even to work from home at night.

When this health-care debate started, no one could have predicted that the CBO would be continually rescoring revised ObamaCare drafts into March.  Don’t forget that Barack Obama originally demanded a bill by the end of July 2009, confident that a 60-seat Senate majority and a 70+ majority in the House meant easy passage.  Instead, Democrats have conducted a number of back-room rewrites, huddling with lobbyists from Big Labor and others, to produce a non-stop series of versions of the bill.  Each of those had to be scored by the CBO, and that takes a significant amount of time to accomplish for each iteration.

The GAO’s predicament was much more predictable.  The massive outlay of government cash in Porkulus practically sent up flares for con men and fraudsters to take advantage of the Obama administration’s profligacy.  Fraud always comes to the money, after all.  The administration put Joe Biden in charge, but apparently failed to properly staff the function when the money got spent.  Now the GAO needs almost 150 people to pick up the pieces long after the cash has gone out the door.

So when will the CBO have its umpteenth analysis of the umpteenth version of ObamaCare submitted by Democrats?  When it finds time to breathe, they’ll let you know.  In the meantime, though, we should consider whether the CBO has been overworked to the point of a reduction of quality in its analysis.  After a few months, those 100-hour work weeks would make anyone loopy.  Under the working conditions described by Elmendorf, how much confidence can we put in CBO analyses?

Update: And as soon as this post went up, the wire services have begun reporting a $940 billion price tag, under the magic $1 trillion that would have spelled political death:

House Democrats are on track for a Sunday vote on sweeping health care legislation that will expand coverage to millions of uninsured while also reducing the federal deficit, leaders said Thursday.

The bill delivers on President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority by providing coverage to more than 30 million people now uninsured at a 10-year cost of $940 billion. It does so through a combination of tax credits for middle class households and an expansion of the Medicaid program for low income people.

However, the AP is careful not to attribute that number to the CBO — and the CBO’s sites have no such analysis posted as of yet.  It appears to be coming from Democrats on the Hill.

Update II: As I suspected, the source for this price is House Democrats:

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., today said the health care bill endorsed by President Obama would reduce the deficit by $130 billion over the next 10 years and by more than $1 trillion in the next decade.

In a report to be released today, the Congressional Budget Office estimates the bill will cost $940 billion over 10 years, according to Democratic House leadership.

And it may very well say that, but so far the CBO hasn’t said it.  We’ll see, and then we’ll see how it got to that number and whether the claims made by Democrats this morning actually pan out.

Update III: Paul Ryan’s office has just released a statement saying that the CBO denies that they have completed their analysis:

The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate. Yet House Democrats are touting to the press – and spinning for partisan gain – numbers that have not been released and are impossible to confirm. Rep. James Clyburn stated he was “giddy” about these unsubstantiated numbers. This is the latest outrageous exploitation by the Majority – in this case abusing the confidentiality of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office – to pass their massive health care overhaul at any cost.


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Darksean on March 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I hope for a turn out larger than the 9-12 project. I wish I could make it.
BTW: Obama is on tv now siging into law the H.I.R.E. act. Jobs are just around the corner….pfffft!

milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM

FYI, I’m not being mean about doctors and their issues. It’s documented.

That is a group with a higher-than-average rate of addiction problems.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM

In reading your posts, you are making some very narrow-minded and selfish comments. You state that your not worried because “single payer won’t be an issue in my lifetime.” I’m guessing you don’t have children. If you did, you would not be so cavalier about the ramifications of this health care debacle – said ramifications clearly being fully socialized medicine a la ONE PAYER. My children will definitely have to live with the ugly realities of that if this goes through. But I guess I should feel okay about it because at least I, myself, won’t have to worry about it right? We’ll just add it to the crushing debt we’re giving our kids.

KickandSwimMom on March 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Single-payer isn’t going to be an issue in my lifetime. I’m sure of that.
AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Are you terminal? This is going to happen within a few years. The mandates in this terrible bill will see insurance companies shutting down one by one, even before the bill takes effect in 2014.
Where do you go when your insurance company dies?
O-Care.
It’s part of their scheme.

FireBlogger on March 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Seriously, people. Stop putting doctors on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM

What happened? That mean doctor cut off your meds?

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM

I jsut got off the phone with Hoyer’s office in D.C. and some staffer told me that they don’t know how those numbers got out.

Weight of Glory on March 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM

It’ll be an implementation issue.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM

And here I was, spending so much time worrying over nothing. Thanks so much for clearing it up for me.

I feel so much better now.

GrannyDee on March 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Look at the table for the numbers.

2010-2013 it only costs $2 billion, $5 billion, $5 billion, $5 billion, then in 2014 when the plans kick in it ramps up…

2014 – $54 billion
2015 – $104 billion
2016 – $161 billion
2017 – $187 billion
2018 – $201 billion
2019 – $216 billion

And this is supposedly going to not only pay for itself in the second decade, but create several billion in surplus?

Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Then why not doctor reform before health insurance reform? Increasing patient counts will not provide better care from the tonsil hunters you speak of, Annie, more people will be hurt by the pathetic sawbones, instead.

TinMan13 on March 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM

I honestly don’t know how the Dems “see” this working, so I can’t answer it.

I personally am appalled by taking the insurance route that they have taken.

In my idealistic world, I’d have gone for a basic major medical catastrophe plan, available to all, and then dumped money into “Doc-in-the-Boxes” places that operated like quasi-private entities for basic stuff.

But that was my idea. Obviously, I’m alone in this.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:31 AM

I would assume that $940 Billion will turn out to be the real number. If it comes in at $1.1 Tril or anything over the $1 Tril mark they will fudge with some numbers until it drops to around $940 Bil.

Too bad even at that number it still will add up to an extra $10,000 a year for those of us who work.

Rbastid on March 18, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Fellow Hot Air-ers, I’m in the middle of drawing the structural steel for a 260 ton cancer center. I have a deadline on Monday which in order to meet I’ll need to work over the weekend. My oldest son had a 101.8 temp last night. I will cast all that off to be in D.C. this weekend. It’s now or never. See you there!

Weight of Glory on March 18, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

That’s because no one is using it until 2014, so all they are doing is paying some “management” and collecting money. That is why it needs to be scored from 2014 on, not from 2011.

Patriot Vet on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

First item of business – this does not actually meet the requirements for reconcilation. There are actually two requirements: that the reconciliation bill reduce deficits by a net $1 billion over its “parent” baseline over the first five years, and that for years 6-10, it does not increase deficits over that baseline any single year. Table 1 of the CBO scoring has, at the bottom, the change in deficit relative to HR3950, the Wreconciliation’s “parent”.

The cumulative change in deficits between FY2010 and FY2015 is +$2 billion, which the last I checked, is far more than the required $-1 billion. Also, FY2017 shows an increase in deficits.

Second item of business – that was only possible because the DemonRATs threw in the federal takeover of student loans. The CBO thoughfully did an estimate on that the other day, and the 5-year “deficit reduction” was $28 billion, with the 10-year “deficit reduction” at $56 billion.

steveegg on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

What happened? That mean doctor cut off your meds?

katy the mean old lady on March 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Oddly enough, you want the story? You asked.

It was my mom’s 100% cadillac plan. Those doctors took one look at her coverage, and they so over-ordered tests that we joked she was like a cow on the hoof.

She was given 3, count em’, 3 of the SAME tests, no matter what I said.

They were ready to slice and dice that poor woman. She was a victim of overly rich insurance benefits.

Thankfully, she was a practical Mid-Western gal who said “No!”

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

That is a group with a higher-than-average rate of addiction problems.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Please provide some documentation other than your own imagination.

tommyboy on March 18, 2010 at 11:35 AM

free clinics

*blink*

LOL*

come on. They use the ER rooms.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Awww. Sucks to be wrong again doesn’t it?

20% of ER patients are uninsured

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Just a word to the wise. The whole Marxist/Socialist/Communist angle is not working. It just makes your argument void.

Decider on March 18, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Only to someone who is already a Marxist/Socialist/Communist.

Dominion on March 18, 2010 at 11:35 AM

And this is supposedly going to not only pay for itself in the second decade, but create several billion in surplus?

Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Stop making sense. You’re going to confuse all of the people lined up at the koolaid stand.

fogw on March 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Thankfully, she was a practical Mid-Western gal who said “No!”

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

And would have sued like crazy if something was wrong that the first test missed.

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

You have problems. Even if that incident is true … you display visceral contempt for all doctors. You should see one, but I don’t know if it’d be safe for them.

darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

If they are doing nothing but collecting taxes, how the hell can that cost $5 billion a year?

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM

They were ready to slice and dice that poor woman. She was a victim of overly rich insurance benefits.

Thankfully, she was a practical Mid-Western gal who said “No!”

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

So now you pidgeonhole every doctor as sloppy, greedy and drug/alcohol addicted.

You need a doctor. A shrink.

fogw on March 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Seriously, people. Stop putting doctors on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM

I have a tremendous amount of respect for your concern trolling ability.

LibTired on March 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM

If they are doing nothing but collecting taxes, how the hell can that cost $5 billion a year?

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM

I think the bill creates something like 1700 new federal agencies, that’s what Hatch said on Greta.

darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM

A lot of doctors are greedy. And sloppy. And drug/alcohol addicted.

Get real.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM

A lot of middle-aged women are greedy. And ignorant. And entitlement addicted.

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM

I think the bill creates something like 1700 new federal agencies, that’s what Hatch said on Greta.

darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM

That’s right, I think it’s only 1100. Gotta pay those drains a big giant salary to kill us off.

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM

You need a doctor. A shrink.

fogw on March 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Something tells me that Ann puts more faith into psychiatry than actual medical science.

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Seriously, people. Stop putting doctors on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM
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What about the airheads who put the democrats, particularly their president, on pedestals? You appear to me as being totally clueless and stupid.

bluegrass on March 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

And would have sued like crazy if something was wrong that the first test missed.

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM

No, she wasn’t remotely that type. She frankly had no respect for people like that.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

If they are doing nothing but collecting taxes, how the hell can that cost $5 billion a year?

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Because like Social Security, they’re not saving the money for the program that calls for it. They’ll use the money elsewhere, and when 2014 comes around… there will be no money saved, which will end up causing triple what is listed for 2014.

Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

You have problems. Even if that incident is true … you display visceral contempt for all doctors. You should see one, but I don’t know if it’d be safe for them.

darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Oh baloney. I’m just not into aggrandizing that profession.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

AnninCa, I think when you or your loved one is in a serious health crisis, you will be the first one running to them to save you. And guess what? They will save you, even if you despise their profession!!! Your posts are really weird, by the way….

sweet92169 on March 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Oh baloney. I’m just not into aggrandizing that profession.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

The chances are pretty good you will have to rely on one of those greedy, addicted doctors one day.

ladyingray on March 18, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Oh baloney. I’m just not into aggrandizing that profession.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

I explained that earlier. We’re not “aggrandizing” anything. It’s just that you hate them so much that the mere mention of doctors sends you into some kind of hate induced fit.

darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Oh baloney. I’m just not into aggrandizing that profession.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Ann, do have problems. That’s abundantly clear. Consider a couple of you symptoms:

Delusions of grandeur as exhibited in your constant proclamation of yourself as the spokesperson for all of America’s ‘regular people’ and ‘independents’.

Paranoia and irrational mistrust of doctors as displayed here in this thread, as well as yesterday.

You really should see a doctor.

DarkCurrent on March 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Me, I have grammar problems and will see a specialist.

DarkCurrent on March 18, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Something tells me that Ann puts more faith into psychiatry than actual medical science.

uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Actually, I think that field has taken over commonsense and is a huge part of the addiction problem.

Guess you guessed wrong.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:55 AM

The chances are pretty good you will have to rely on one of those greedy, addicted doctors one day.

ladyingray on March 18, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Of course.

And I’m sure I’ll be grateful, too. I’m not suggesting that they are all headcases, by any shakes.

My personal “tally?” 80% are good at their jobs. Out of that about 15% have some serious personality problems, but if you can ignore that, you’re fine. And then, there’s the cream of the crop. They are worth every penny.

And a lot are hacks.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Ann, do have problems. That’s abundantly clear. Consider a couple of you symptoms:

Delusions of grandeur as exhibited in your constant proclamation of yourself as the spokesperson for all of America’s ‘regular people’ and ‘independents’.

Paranoia and irrational mistrust of doctors as displayed here in this thread, as well as yesterday.

You really should see a doctor.

DarkCurrent on March 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Just my opinions, which everyone expresses here.

and thank you, Dr. Dark. LOL*

You crack me up.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM

O/T but important:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/obama-surrenders-gulf-oil-to-moscow/

thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 11:54 AM

thomasaur: It never ends,and is an ongoing pattern!:)

canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 11:59 AM

free clinics

*blink*

LOL*

come on. They use the ER rooms.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Actually, Rush quoted a number yesterday that read…83% of people treated in ER’s are insured.

As for your mother…do you know most all patients get testing they don’t necessarily need? Do you know why? Because salivating lawyers are waiting just outside, to pounce on Doctors, and sue them. Ask a doctor sometime, what his malpractice insurance is.

If your mother had this great insurance, she had a good job. Any doctor, and I doubt they know at the time, as they have people in office that deal with the insurance, or medicare portions of running a doctors office. He’s there to treat the patient, and try to keep from being sued over frivolous things.

If you want to demonize anyone, demonize a lawyer.

capejasmine on March 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:57 AM

To make an assessment such as that, tells me you’ve seen a lot of doctors. This could explain why your panties are in a knot over this issue. You just can’t wait to pick the pockets of millions of working Americans, so you can have primo health insurance.

It won’t work that way honey. If you’re sick, and in dire need of constant care, they’ll eventually deem you to expensive to treat. Your life won’t be worth squat, compared to the costs.

capejasmine on March 18, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Just my opinions, which everyone expresses here.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:58 AM

No Ann. A typical AnninCA comment commonly includes statements like ‘regular people think ‘ or ‘we independents believe ‘.

Other posters tell us their own opinion; they don’t try to pretend it represents the opinion of huge, vaguely defined groups.

DarkCurrent on March 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Rep. James Clyburn stated he was “giddy” about these unsubstantiated numbers.

I’m giddy about throwing these a$$holes out of office in Nov.

Dopenstrange on March 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Ann, the world is not a stage for your psychodrama.

Be a person, not a page from the DSM.

DrSteve on March 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM

When going to the CBO website, the second paragraph (after the bullet points) says, “Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its
release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its
consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a
review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and
refinement of the budgetary projections.”

djaymick on March 18, 2010 at 12:37 PM

This became the AnninCa thread, I am outta here.

FireBlogger on March 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM

These democrats are behaving like teenagers whose parents just went away for the weekend.

kanda on March 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM

This became the AnninCa thread, I am outta here.

FireBlogger on March 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM

C’mon, don’t leave. AnninCa is a useful tool in keeping your brain sharp. She makes you think, and think really hard. As in, ‘What the hell is she talking about?’.

She goes round and round in a vain attempt at a coherent point.

Sporty1946 on March 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM

This became the AnninCa thread, I am outta here.

FireBlogger on March 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Thay say “if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen”

kanda on March 18, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Let’s look at the numbers and compare them to the Senate bill (which was scored by the CBO on November 18, 2009)
Senate Bill – Cost $839B, Savings $127B
Being Tauted – Cost $940B, Savings $136B
Difference – Cost $101B, Savings $9B (this is the effects of the reconciliation admendment)
We all know that the real costs kick in 4 years after the program starts.
The reconciliation admendment will COST us $8.8B in the first 4 years. The biggest “positive effect” occurs in the 5th year, where the deficit will decrease by $10.2B.
The other thing that people aren’t looking at is this. Obama is promising lower income people a tax credit. However, this tax credit will be available at TAX TIME. Therefore, you would have to pay the $500 monthly premium each month to “qualify” for the tax credit. How many of these households will be able to afford that?

djaymick on March 18, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Seriously, people. Stop putting doctors on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Few doctors consider themselves on a pedestal. I have an illness that has put me in close contact with many doctors and one of the things most striking amount them, they are wishing they could just quit and walk away from their practice because of the stress and cost to maintain their practice. Under Obama’s plan, that will be the last straw. Those that remain will probably be the ones that are average or less and most of the medical care you receive will be from medical technitions who got their degree from the local communitive college or perhaps went on to a BS four year degree, all supposedly supervised by a doctor and if they screw up, they are covered and there will be nothing you can do about it.

Franklyn on March 18, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Oddly enough, you want the story? You asked.

It was my mom’s 100% cadillac plan. Those doctors took one look at her coverage, and they so over-ordered tests that we joked she was like a cow on the hoof.

She was given 3, count em’, 3 of the SAME tests, no matter what I said.

They were ready to slice and dice that poor woman. She was a victim of overly rich insurance benefits.

Thankfully, she was a practical Mid-Western gal who said “No!”

B.S. Even with a “cadillac” plan, no insurance company is paying 3 times for the same test. Why must you lie?

Monkeytoe on March 18, 2010 at 2:49 PM

That’s anninca,

If she’s not lying, she’s saying idiotic things, like blaming doctors, rather than the gov’t, for requiring prescriptions for meds. Or she’s dropping her false facade and calling for some kind of gov’t control over who earns what.

Monkeytoe on March 18, 2010 at 2:51 PM

lot of doctors are greedy. And sloppy. And drug/alcohol addicted.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Ann should know, she watches General Hospital every day.

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Like I said, you display an abnormal hatred for doctors.

darwin on March 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Over the years, she’s expressed hatred towards any group that makes a lot of money.

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Seriously, people. Stop putting doctors on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.

AnninCA on March 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Anyone who doesn’t think that doctor’s are evil, is putting them on a pedestal?

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Thay say “if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen”

kanda on March 18, 2010 at 1:54 PM

I thought it was:
“If you can’t stand the heat, get a fire extinguisher.”

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 3:20 PM

B.S. Even with a “cadillac” plan, no insurance company is paying 3 times for the same test. Why must you lie?

Monkeytoe on March 18, 2010 at 2:49 PM

It’s possible that she was given the same test 3 times over a period of weeks. Doctor’s will often do that to see if the treatment that they are giving is working.

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 3:22 PM

If she’s not lying, she’s saying idiotic things, like blaming doctors, rather than the gov’t, for requiring prescriptions for meds. Or she’s dropping her false facade and calling for some kind of gov’t control over who earns what.

Monkeytoe on March 18, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Yesterday she declared that it was a scam that she had to go to a doctor to get medication for her migraines. Ignoring the fact that there are many things that cause migraines, and the drug that treats one will not help the others, and may in fact make things worse. Additionally, there are things like brain cancer and anuerysms (sp??) that while medication may make the pain go away, will kill you if not treated properly.

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 3:24 PM

The Marxists are just breaking some (social, economic, political) eggs in order to bake the Socialist cake.

Yum yum!

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 18, 2010 at 5:15 PM

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