Walgreens says no to new WA Medicaid customers
posted at 1:36 pm on March 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Medicaid customers in the state of Washington will no longer be able to get prescriptions filled at Walgreens, one of the nation’s most ubiquitous pharmacies, unless they already have accounts there. Due to parsimonious reimbursements from the state’s Medicaid system, Walgreens has decided to stop accepting new Medicaid customers. The decision takes 121 locations off the list for Washington’s Medicaid program:
In a news release, Walgreens said its decision to not take new Medicaid patients stemmed from a “continued reduction in reimbursement” under the state’s Medicaid program, which reimburses it at less than the break-even point for 95 percent of brand-name medications dispensed to Medicaid patents.
Walgreens follows Bartell Drugs, which stopped taking new Medicaid patients last month at all 57 of its stores in Washington, though it still fills Medicaid prescriptions for existing customers at all but 15 of those stores.
The reimbursement policy comes from an impulse to control costs by controlling prices. This shows the inevitable result of such policies. When price controls get used, they do nothing to reduce actual costs for providers. The drugs cost Walgreens the same amount to buy for Medicaid patients as they do for everyone else. Instead of lowering the actual cost, it pushes Walgreens to either hike prices for everyone else or to remove themselves from the marketplace, causing scarcities in the provider chain. Either Walgreens and Bartell have to make their other customers subsidize their losses, or they have to stop conducting money-losing business.
This same dynamic exists elsewhere in the health-care industry. As I wrote in an AIP column last June when the public option was still on the table, you’re almost certainly subsidizing Medicare services through higher charges to your own wallet or that of your private insurer:
And that in itself is remarkable, considering the second dirty little secret of a public plan. While Sebelius and the White House disdain and completely misunderstand the private market, the private market in fact subsidizes the already-existing public plans of Medicare and Medicaid. A correspondent from within a major insurer explained to me exactly how that works:
At a recent leadership meeting, our CEO mentioned that the providers are very nervous about the government program expanding. Currently, the government dictates to a provider how much they will be reimbursed for a given procedure. That reimbursement does not cover the actual cost, which leaves the provider to spread the remaining portion of the cost to the rest of the people who have insurance.
If the government program were to expand, the number of privately insured people to absorb that extra cost would shrink, driving up the cost of insurance for everybody else. Eventually, two things would happen…. First, nobody could afford the non-government program, and secondly (and this is what the providers are truly afraid of), providers would not be able to cover their costs. This would drive them to bankruptcy. We would then either be in a position where there are no health care providers, or the government would have to nationalize them as well.
Many providers now refuse to take new Medicare/Medicaid patients because the plans don’t cover their costs to provide services. Those who do wind up charging their other patients more to cover their losses. The private insurers bear the brunt of that business practice now, which is bad enough. If the private insurers disappear, though, providers will not recoup the losses at all, and will go out of business altogether.
Instead of having a robust health-care system that rewards providers and insurers for their work, the public plan and its inevitable market-killing characteristics will create an artificial shortage of health-care providers. Everyone will have coverage, but it may take months or years to get treatments, if at all. That is not a worst-case, hypothetical scenario, either; single-payer systems around the world share this commonplace result.
The Medicaid program in Washington says that the loss of Walgreens and Bartell, with their combined 178 outlets, won’t present a problem for Medicaid patients. However, it won’t be long before other pharmacies conclude that they don’t want to lose money on their sales — and before customers at those locations start demanding to know whether they’re subsidizing those sales with their own purchases as well as with their tax dollars.









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OT: FOX News is reporting the DOJ is accusing the GOP of being soft on terrorism.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:38 PM
This is only the beginning. Apparently someone else shut down to Medicaid in WA also.
Not to mention the number of doctors that will drop it.
This is going to be ugly. They will have to make it a condition of a medical license.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM
but…Obama said that grandma should just take a pain pill…now she can’t even get that?
milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Looks like PBHO is going to have to activate the Domestic Security Force after all.
Nothing says benevolent and caring government like having a rifle-toting thug standing behind the counter forcing pharmacists to administer prescriptions.
Bishop on March 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM
OT: FOX News is reporting the DOJ is accusing the GOP of being soft on terrorism.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:38 PM
uknowmorethanme: Thats pure crazy talk!!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM
I gotta think that if big chains like Walgreens start a trend like this, it will soon become more of a problem than the commies in Washington State want to admit.
highhopes on March 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Any guesses on who’ll be next?
Dark-Star on March 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Thank goodness the HC bill only cuts $500 billion from medicare.
Vashta.Nerada on March 18, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Teachable Moments are blossoming into fruition!!
The horror stories begin!!
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Just imagine if this happend in the state of Florida or Arizona. Talk about pi$$ing off a lot of elderly voters. They actually go to the polls.
milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM
Damn profiteers.
Akzed on March 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM
It’s only a matter of time before Medicare gets put on the chopping block by many of these doctors and pharmacies.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM
LOL! Now that’s funny!
deidre on March 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Just imagine if this happend in the state of Florida or Arizona. Talk about pi$$ing off a lot of elderly voters. They actually go to the polls.
milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM
_______________
You’re thinking Medicare.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Who is Dr. Galt?
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM
You’re right…my bad.
milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/17/justice-department-accuses-republicans-weak-terrorism/
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM
I’m betting it will be Wall Drug!
And everyone knows where the hell they are!
pilamaye on March 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM
This is only the beginning.
Watch the ‘free market’ side of health care head down hill, on teflon ball bearings.
This is only the start of the ‘preemptive cost-containment’ to come.
CPT. Charles on March 18, 2010 at 1:46 PM
It can be mighty confusing I know. lol
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:46 PM
That’s now Walgreens, Bartell, and Ritzville. Who will be the fourth?
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Evil corporate greed.
OmahaConservative on March 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM
OT: Paul Ryan is up on Rush Limbaugh.
Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Any guesses on who’ll be next?
Dark-Star on March 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Dark-Star: The women and children!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Obama is already on record as trying to stop the abuses of insurance carriers refusing to sell insurance coverage to individuals with ‘pre-existing conditions’, so it shouldn’t take much to extend that legislation to pharmaceutical companies being required to dispense need medications at a price set by the Federal government.
Skandia Recluse on March 18, 2010 at 1:48 PM
Businesses want to make money? We can’t have that. Nationalize them!
Mord on March 18, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I’m thinking pilamaye had it right – Wall Drug.
Dark-Star on March 18, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I’m sure there are 2, or 3 people out there, that will believe this. ROFL!!!
As for Walgreens, I posted a link to this last night. It won’t be long for this to become a chain reaction from state to state. All this, and Obama care hasn’t even passed yet. Imagine what it will be like, when it does.
Pharmacueticals are on board for health care, because they’re getting a great deal out of it. Watch for prescription drugs to sky rocket in price, and insurance companies to drop coverage even more on them.
capejasmine on March 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM
There are already doctors in Maine that are refusing to take new Medicaid as WELL as Medicare patients. They can’t afford the reimbursement rates either.
AW1 Tim on March 18, 2010 at 1:51 PM
CVS
Rite-Aid
Knucklehead on March 18, 2010 at 1:51 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/17/justice-department-accuses-republicans-weak-terrorism/
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM
uknowmorethanme: The Leftys are NUTS!!!!!!!!!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Look … it’s really not a secret. The Democratic plan is to (1) Destroy American’s currently high expectations for their health care so that they can …
(2) Replace the current private system with a government-run system all around.
Look – the Democrats want a single-payer and they are also smart enough to realize that single payer isn’t going to deliver the kind of high-quality health care we have in the U.S. today – which Americans have become accustomed to.
The current system has to crash … and that includes the DOCTORS and HOSPITALS as well as the insurance agencies. Look, there are Doctors in India and China – and they work for less than a Blue Collar wage earner here in the U.S.. Sure, they can’t deliver the kind of health care that American Doctors do – but the Democrats think our health care is too lavish anyway.
Doctor’s want to quit? Nurses want to quit? Not enough money in the new system for them?
No problem – the Democrats will just import tens of thousands of new doctors and nurses (along with their families), from places like Africa, India, the Middle East, South America … etc. Not only will these new “immigrants” be vital and necessary to shoring up our health care system – but they’ll also work for pennies on the dollar and …
They’ll vote Democrat. ;)
If you want to know how Great Britain and Norway and the Neatherlands got so many people from third world countries – well, it’s not because they ended up there accidentally. These people had skills that the government needed and were willing to work for minimum wages.
That’s the Democratic plan folks. Don’t worry about a Doctor – you’ll always have one. He may speak Hindi but …
HondaV65 on March 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Only a matter of time till they force private companies and doctors to accept Medicaid and Medicare…prescriptions or services…
PatriotRider on March 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM
OT somewhat:
I just used the Donk astroturf site to send my letter in opposition to Obamacare to many newspapers.
Go here and use it in contradiction to their intention. Fight fire with fire!
atheling on March 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM
No new Medicare patients.
Pelosi: “We’ll fix that….we’ll make it a crime NOT to accept what we decide to pay”
Obama: “pssst….it’s already in the bill….”
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Hence the term National Socialist Democrat.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 1:53 PM
OT: Paul Ryan is up on Rush Limbaugh.
Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Enoxo: So much for putting the bill up for 72 hours!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 1:53 PM
And Finally Wall Street Is Being Sued over Dirty Derivatives
http://video.foxbusiness.com/#/v/4114438/states-sue-wall-street-over-rotten-derivatives/?playlist_id=87247
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 1:54 PM
As a commenter on HotAir is famous of saying “Seriously, people. Stop putting
doctorsbusinesses on such a pedestal. That’s part of the problem.”, or something like that.Electrongod on March 18, 2010 at 1:54 PM
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Will the American citizens stand and fight as our great Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Guardsmen, and United States Marines, past and present, always stand and fight for our sacred liberty? This is a seminole moment in American history. We will live as one nation under God, or under government? Now is the time of decision! You must act now! Now is the time to let your voices be heard as never before. Where is the march on Washington? Where is the American spirit that never quits? Where is the American spirit that says “no” and “never again” to our enemies, and backs it up at all costs? Our soldiers are willing to die for this country’s preservation. Shall we not stand up on their behalf while they face bullets and bombs so we do not have to?
If you called already, call them again! If you have e-mailed them, do it again. If you have told your relatives, friends, neighbors, and co-workers, tell them to call and email, and fax them again! Stop what you’re doing and do it now! Our great republic is at stake!
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SheetAnchor on March 18, 2010 at 1:55 PM
I think word has not gotten around to all the Reps that Obama has postponed his trip again.
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 1:55 PM
B-I-N-G-O and Bingo was his name-o
thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Ed
FBN has some video discussion on this topic. Dr Manny
http://video.foxbusiness.com/#/v/4114580/seattle-pharmacies-rejecting-new-medicaid-patients-/?playlist_id=87247
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM
One possible silver lining, perhaps Walgreen’s other customers can end up with lower prices. One can hope anyway
JusDreamin on March 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Thats the student loan takeover, all new doctors will have to do time as medicare/medicade indentured servants.
Daveyardbird on March 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM
“No, we don’t have MRI machines here. Too expensive. Meet our lead diagnostic specialist….Mfume Knwaada….he’s expert with reading chicken bones. Ahhh…there..you see?
All you need is a small bleeding everyday for one week. We wold bleed you more, but…you know how government-run healthcare goes…they won’t pay for more than 1 per day”
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Nice drugstore chain you got there. Shame if something were to happen to it.
–Rahm to Walgreens CEO
Missy on March 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Old Jedi Mind Trip. These are not facts you are looking for.
On topic mind trick: This is not related to the HCR it was just planned cuts nothing to see here.
tjexcite on March 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM
These left wing Democrat fools are destroying the nation and putting all of us a risk. This is absolute insanity and it’s all to pacify Obama’s parasitic constituents and supporters. The poor Republic is about to crack and crumble.
rplat on March 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Wait till you retire ( if you are not already ) and try to find a local Doctor to take your TriCare… list is mighty short here in Denver…
Romeo13 on March 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM
This just proves that Walgreens is looking out for number one instead of providing below cost drugs to the poor.
kanda on March 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Maybe the Waltgreen’s CEO want’s to be a member of the “Mile High Club”?
Electrongod on March 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I have to believe that CVS will be next. In our city, where there is a Walgreens…next door is a CVS.
search4truth on March 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Atlas…..shrugging….
ted c on March 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM
This is about the 5th large pharmacy in Washington to bow out. It spells DOOM!
bopbottle on March 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Who knew that ‘back door medicine’ would be how future citizens get their health care.
KCOCK KNOCK. Pssst! Joe sent me.
GarandFan on March 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Gee, no one could’ve seen this coming. Similarly, everyone will be surprised when the same thing happens all over the country – not just with pharmacists but with doctors and clinics as well – after Obamacare passes.
I mean, it’s not like actual evidence from the real world mixed with a modicum of common sense could inform anyone that this is the inevitable result.
Midas on March 18, 2010 at 2:02 PM
Founding Member and President
ErectusEmeritus: Barney FrankBobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 2:02 PM
It is weird….with momentum in some states to legalize “medicinal” marijuana, soon you’ll be calling your dealer for advil…not weed!
search4truth on March 18, 2010 at 2:02 PM
What if the next one is Wal-Mart pharmacy?
milwife88 on March 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Love it, Judas Nelson back in hot seat?
OmahaConservative on March 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Which is the goal of the liberals. Use govt to drive private insurance up so high that nobody but the very rich can afford it. Then use these same high prices as proof that the private sector can’t handle such insurance and that therefore the govt must take it over completely.
MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM
What is going to happen when 1/3 of USA doctors retire? How are you going to cover 30 million more people when this happens?
Dire Straits on March 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Too late. Thank GOD I have access to the VA, because otherwise I’d be toast.
AW1 Tim on March 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM
“Sometimes, people pay attention. And this time, I got caught with my pants down. I knew the internet would be bad for politicians.. I knew it..I knew it all along.”
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM
By concentrating the Medicaid patients in the other providers, the day when those other providers must drop out of the Medicaid system as well is advanced.
MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 2:07 PM
NRC fines Phila. VA $227,500 over prostate care
Really?
Knucklehead on March 18, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Criminalize withdrawal, all fixed
-democrat
daesleeper on March 18, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Because they don’t think terrorists should be tried in civilian courts?
MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 2:09 PM
When your local supermarket starts selling Soylent Wafers next to the Triscuits and Club crackers…you’ll know.
Bishop on March 18, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Maybe the solution would be Government run pharmacies,
ahem!(sarc).
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM
They’ll end up getting subsidies from the state to continue with the program. That’s how it works.
lorien1973 on March 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Fortunately, Maine has a much better facility, although I wish I had other options. It is a royal PITA to try and get seen, and for many procedures, they transfer you down to Boston to one of the two VA hospitals there. Cost-savings, and all that, you know… :(
AW1 Tim on March 18, 2010 at 2:13 PM
BUZZKILL FOLLOWS
Tim, you do realize that when the Chinese stop funding our government, and it is forced to live within it’s means, the cuts will be vicious. And the VA is a juicy filet ready for slicing.
After all, who is served by the VA? According the Department of Homeland Security, the VA provides healthcare to “military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”
Why keep domestic terrorists healthy?
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 2:15 PM
OT: Sort of… good to know that with all of the serious problems California has, they are now set to regulate the porn industry a bit more by requiring the porn stars to use condoms…Heh..
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/03/condom-requirement-for-porn-film-actors-comes-to-vote-in-california.html
PatriotRider on March 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM
And one of California’s Last money making industries, moves out of the State.
Romeo13 on March 18, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Didn’t click the link but I read earlier this could be big for California because the billion dollar porn industry just probably might pack up and leave for another state/ Canada.
Marcus on March 18, 2010 at 2:21 PM
That’s not fair! Walgreen’s shouldn’t put profit above Medicaid prescriptions.
Prescription Justice Now!
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Interesting. WalMart employees are huge users of Medicaid — which, in many states, WalMart uses in lieu of offering its own medical plan.
It’s a valid business model (to not offer to your employees what the state provides them for free), but to then decide not to participate in providing access to the program is a bit disingenuous.
unclesmrgol on March 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Walgreens … not WalMart.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Exactly. It is a domino effect. The seller can only take a minimal to no profit (or even loss) on a certain percentage of the prescriptions they fill. The fewer providers the greater the percentage of the remaining providers business becomes the low / no profit business due to the displacement of the business from those who have already dropped out.
Aviator on March 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM
unclesmrgol on March 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM
WalGreens is not WalMart.
MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Very true. Democrats want to socialize medicine, why don’t we socialize the legal and the entertainment businesses. Lawyers and entertainers make way too much money. It all needs to shared with the masses. Streisand and the members of The View all only need about 700 square feet in which to live. They need to downsize their houses.
SC.Charlie on March 18, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Absolutely right. My bad.
unclesmrgol on March 18, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Obama-care preview for dummies.
tarpon on March 18, 2010 at 2:38 PM
You betcha! They are frightened because veterans swear an oath to the Constitution, and NOT to Obama. They can’t stand the thought of folks actually defending liberty, because it’s an obstacle to them becoming the new Aristocracy of America.
AW1 Tim on March 18, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Exactly … along with Prescription Justice, we also need Legal and Entertainment Justice.
Then I want Winery Justice. Pelosi makes to much money with her Winery, and I don’t.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:42 PM
As someone deeply involved in the healthcare industry I can assure that the genesis of the increase in premiums is due to government price controls and overregulation.
They create the problem and then provide the solution.
True_King on March 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM
This will all be academic when the government steps in and forces Walgreens to accept such garbage if Obamacare passes.
catmman on March 18, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Won’t crr6 be a tad disappointed when the government takes over the legal profession and tells her who she can represent and how much she can charge. Plus, she’ll have to accept LegalCare clients at even further reduced rates.
Legal Justice baby.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Shows just how out of touch with reality these bureaucrats are. If a big outfit with the buying power of Walgreens can’t make money selling drugs to these patients, how will the mom and pop pharmacy do it? Again, the goal here is to cause a collapse of the system. Cloward Piven strikes again.
conservnut on March 18, 2010 at 2:45 PM
I’ve been saying that for a long time. It takes a while though … to convince people that the root cause isn’t “evil corporations”, but it does eventually sink in.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Yes, or they could just takeover the pharmacies … which I’m sure they won’t hesitate to do.
Pharmacy Justice
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Some mom and pop’s pharmacies are have been turning it away, Darwin. I hope it becomes the other large ones… Walmart, Costco and Sam’s club’s are next.
upinak on March 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Unfortunately, as with all liberal programs, it’s the people they want to supposedly help that end up getting screwed.
If it gets bad enough, the government will just say they have to take over the Pharmacy business.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Wait till you retire ( if you are not already ) and try to find a local Doctor to take your TriCare… list is mighty short here in Denver…
Romeo13 on March 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Johnnyreb on March 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM
What doctor in his/her right mind would accept either new medicare or medicaid patients today?
angryed on March 18, 2010 at 3:03 PM
So the question is: is this an unintended consequence on the part of Obama, which would make him a moron, or is this an intended consequence on the part of Obama, which would make him a psychopath?
PercyB on March 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM
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