Krauthammer: I think it’s going to pass
posted at 9:07 pm on March 18, 2010 by Allahpundit
Skip ahead to 3:05. It’s one thing to know the end is near, it’s another to hear the ‘Hammer, of all people, acknowledge it. What’s next? Dick and Liz Cheney urging conservatives to reconcile themselves to an Iranian bomb?
Michael Barone’s run the numbers and insists that we’re not licked yet, but he sounds at times like he’s trying to convince himself. Nomentum’s turned to momentum and there are no likely eleventh-hour surprises in the chute. The CBO score is out; the media’s got the pompoms ready to wave for “history”; Obama’s canceled his trip so that he can make the “please save my presidency” bambi eyes at Democratic fencesitters in the Oval Office. Granted, the latest polls are as dismal as ever — 38/48 in Pew and 35/55 in Fox News — but our exalted leaders long ago dismissed the concerns of the ignorant teabaggin’ public, so that’s no roadblock. There’ll be a few more no-to-yes flips tomorrow, we’ll start hearing rumbles that they’re now just two or three votes away, and then … the fateful vote.
I’ll give you one small glimmer of hope. From the Star-Tribune:
Just as President Obama thought single-payer holdout Dennis Kucinich had bought in to the Democrats’ health care package, Minnesota’s own Jim Oberstar is now back in doubt.
Oberstar, after reportedly having words with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, appears to have backed off the assurance he gave last weekend, when he said he was “prepared” to vote for health care
He’s still a likely yes. Heart-ache.
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I like Krauthammer and more often than not I agree with him, but I hope he is wrong. BTW, he has been saying this for some time, just based on the numerical superiority of the Democrats.
We will find out soon enough I guess.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 9:51 PM
I was on this site before the 2006 and 2008 elections and gotten my hopes up, only to see them dashed. Not this time.We need to hope for the best, keep working, but be prepared for the worst. I think we’re likely to lose this battle, but the war isn’t over. Make sure our Senators know we expect them to fight this in the Senate and when hey retake congress we expect this damned thing to be repealed or at least not funded, we need to fight this in the courts and we need to fight it in the voting booth by sending these traitors packing.
Bobbertsan on March 18, 2010 at 9:52 PM
It only goes to Obama if it passes with no changes to the Senate Bill. Any changes and that starts the reconciliation process which then requires the re-pass of both Houses… after the break.
The Republicans have not done everything they could to stop this process. They relented on the reading out of bills and amendments.
If this passes, then the readouts should be done with something much, much, much larger.
The budget.
Cloward-Piven is a two-sided game that both can play. Winds you up with a broke government down to a very few things necessary to protect the Nation.
No money for SSN.
No money for Dept. of Ag. or Ed. or Energy or HHS… just Defense, State, Treasury and a couple of parts of the interior must be funded.
The Republicans have not played hardball.
They had best learn.
ajacksonian on March 18, 2010 at 9:52 PM
Didn’t Charles say Brown would lose in Mass.?
sandee on March 18, 2010 at 9:52 PM
Good explanation. I have no problem with actors being political – they are Americans too and have free speech, but it is frustrating when they don’t respect the forum.
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 9:52 PM
It’s been almost one year, worth a revisit. Let it reasonate with the thought of it takes on to know one.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/
booter on March 18, 2010 at 9:53 PM
I ask Ed, Allah, Boss Emeritus, for a draft of the Obamacare Official Dictionary.
I need to put in my blog everything in such a simplified way nobody gets confused. I put the link to the bill of this afternoon there, amongst other small articles. But I want to move towards informing whoever sees the blog, a nice column/article/dictionary of who’s who and what the heck is going on.
Everybody’s heads are spinning. I have to go to Mr. PPF and give him a shortcut of the shortcut of what I read online, plus FOX, plus Rush, and scheme my opinion, all condensed into one or two sentences so he can keep up.
ProudPalinFan on March 18, 2010 at 9:54 PM
I repeat, the Republicans will walk away empty handed. The Democrats will rightfully be able to claim an historic victory. Despite what you may think, a lot of people actually want this HCR. It may not go as bad for the Dems as you think.
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM
So you have a problem with an uninformed actor telling you what to think if he’s a liberal, but you’re OK with it if he’s a conservative? How nuanced of you.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Don’t worry about that lmUSA, it’ll say something soon to snap you back.
thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Oh come on, what the hell does that have to do with this? BTW, McCain and Graham voted no on the Senate bill.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 9:57 PM
Well, I’m one of those that had little doubt that the Dems would pass Obamacare. What we have been seeing from them is mostly smoke and mirrors cutting backroom deals and trying to minimize the losses they expect to get in November. For goodness sake healthcare measures have already passed both houses so all they have to agree on is which version they give to Obama for his signature.
docdave on March 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM
I’ve always been puzzled by the worship of Krauthammer. He is a progressive, with his last column stating his unequivocal support entitlement programs.
Where is the consistency in the conservative movement?
True_King on March 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Why would you possibly care?
I would have thought that after your earlier humiliations, you would have loosened that dunce cap enough to allow some oxygen to your blood-starved little brain. Those synapses are obviously fried by now.
Thank you for playing, pointy-head.
hillbillyjim on March 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Yeah it is. Partially anyway. McCain could have won the election if had fought for it. And Bush opened the door for Obama by spending like a drunk sailor himself.
Tasha on March 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM
I don’t. But I’m just irritated by the idea that some actor thinks his opinion counts more than mine. I know you’re a great political expert, Jon Voigt, on account of being in Deliverance and that first Mission Impossible movie with the ridiculous plot, but I can come up with my opinions on my own.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Unless it’s been mentioned before, he was also in the movie THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!
ProudPalinFan on March 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM
I cannot confirm this, but I have heard that Massachusetts voters overwhelmingly supported ObamaCare in a recent senatorial election? Is this true?
MarkoMancuso on March 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM
I think a lot of the opposition to it was opposition to the whole debate. People apparently liked the provisions fine, but they said they hated the bill, and my suspicion is that they didn’t actually hate the bill, but instead hated the argument about the bill.
If it passes, I think public opinion will change. And I suspect that Republicans won’t really run on repealing health care reform; they’ll run on Democratic corruption, and since Democrats are in charge, they’ll get voted out unless there is a massive economic rebound in the next few months, and Lord knows that’s not going to happen. So, if they run against Democratic corruption *related* to health care, they win big.
That’s the smart play, anyway.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 9:59 PM
The HRC bill is polling incredibly unpopularly, tactics like Reconciliation and Demon Pass poll even lower, and people will have to pay for this mess well before they ever see any benefits that might arise from it.
But yeah, the Dems will have a wonderful November.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:00 PM
Sleep with one eye open and watch how loudly you praise ObamaCare in public.
You never know who might be listening in and waiting for the right moment to strike.
venividivici on March 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM
I’m confused (sorry, haven’t read comments yet, just referencing the opening of the thread) why this subject is framed as if today Charles had some kind of light bulb go off and realized something inevitable. Krauthammer has ALWAYS said it would pass. Today was not new. He even pointed today to his past comments on the matter.
Sheesh.
I’m happy to discuss it but when it’s framed so off the mark of what the record is…
OK, off to read what others have said.
KittyLowrey on March 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM
Some good speeches on C-SPAN now (live).
hillbillyjim on March 18, 2010 at 10:02 PM
OK here it is. I’m always wrong and I say it will pass.
dragondrop on March 18, 2010 at 10:02 PM
Big problem with your illusion–Voight is not uninformed…
lovingmyUSA on March 18, 2010 at 10:02 PM
Um, no, it isn’t.
KittyLowrey on March 18, 2010 at 10:02 PM
No, genius, people don’t like the bill. The reason individual aspects poll well is because they only poll the softballs like closing the Medicare donut hole, or loaded questions that frame opposite to healthcare reform as tantamount to cheering for the Grim Reaper.
It’s like polling people if they want a bill that pets kittens, then polling them about a bill that pets kittens and then burns their house down.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Anyone that’s ever fought for friends, family or their country, knows that it’s not a time for hesitation or regret.
Times like these are highs, not low points, and doubt is natural but not terminal.
Sometime in the near future, we’ll emerge from this stronger and with renewed pride, not cowering and fearful.
A righteous fight is uplifting. Read Henry V’s St. Crispen”s Day speech from which “Band of Brothers” is derived. We are there, and you’ll regret being left out of the fight. This is nowhere near being over. FOR SURE.
ontherocks on March 18, 2010 at 10:03 PM
My eternal optimist husband looked like he was going to cry today after seeing the latest vote tally estimate and watching the panel tonight. It feels totally hopeless and while I’m trying to see a small, tiny glimmer of an upside to this, it just feels like things are changing forever.
Monica on March 18, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Im not giving in. It may well pass, but I am going to do everything I can to stop it.
Gatsu on March 18, 2010 at 10:04 PM
This from a guy who thought it was a good idea to punish the GOP by staying home/voting third party in 2008.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Yeah, but back then, he was predicting a democratic process.
LibTired on March 18, 2010 at 10:05 PM
They elected a Massachusetts Republican. Not so bad.
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 10:05 PM
I don’t, really. I’m just sick of this lame, vague, “it’s us against them, now or never” talk. Say what you mean. If you lack the stones to articulate what you think, then maybe you should reevaluate your opinion.
Unsurprisingly, no one actually had the stones to clarify what they meant.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 10:06 PM
Funny stuff … obviously you won’t get a reply from chumpy
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 10:06 PM
ReallY? I could just as easily say that if some folks on the right had not sit out the last two elections in a huff Obama would not have won. I think McCain did fight for it myself, but the American people voted for Obama..and not so long ago Glenn Beck was telling us we were better off with him than McCain anyway. So even now, there are libertarians out there who just can not admit that maybe there is a difference between the parties.
As for Bush, when the Republicans lost control of the Congress in 2006, he had been president for 6 years. The budget deficit was $168 billion dollars, for the that year. Last month, the Obama administration posted a deficit of more than $220 billion for February alone. When Bush did veto bills, people like Nancy Pelosi in Congress worked to over ride them..and called him stingy in the process.
No, Bush might not be perfect, but he was downright frugal compared to these people..and one of the reasons we are where we are today is that a lot of people just handed the government to the Democrats on a silver platter, because they were feeling pissed off. Fine, look where that got them.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Now Obama is hot on taking over health care
He’s made it his personal grand affair
National Socialist the country will be
As he goose-stepped all over the Constitution, said he
‘Cause you see, anything that brings more power to me, you must all just grin and bare …
Cheshire Cat on March 18, 2010 at 10:07 PM
To Ted Kennedy’s seat … very bad, for Obama.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 10:08 PM
In a nutshell, the nation cannot afford this bill.
onlineanalyst on March 18, 2010 at 10:08 PM
March Madness is upon us, and there’s some good basketball goin’ down, too.
CBSSPORTS.com has live coverage if you aren’t close to a TV.
hillbillyjim on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Yea, a Massachusetts Republican who banked a huge part of his campaign on his promises to stop Obamacare.
I miss Bleeds Blue, at least he wasn’t this sneeringly intellectually disingenuous.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Who used opposition to ObamaCare as a keystone of his campaign. You’re silly. I like you.
MarkoMancuso on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Of course it’s going pass. The process is 3000% easier when you don’t trouble yourself with pesky (open fingered Ersatz quotes) procedures (closing Ersatz quotes) or (open fingered Ersatz quotes) The Constitution (closing Ersatz quotes).
rogerb on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
This is classic Obama-speak. Sounds good, says nothing. What people apparently like what provisions, and how fine do they like it? Fine enough to pay more for less quality care? And what provisions do they feel so fine about?
CarolynM on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
He is not a progressive, but then again you don’t like Rush either do you? I think your problem with CK has more to do with the fact that he is a Jew, some Paulbots are funny that way.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM
I wonder if that includes Medicare recipents? Those $520 billion cuts are still in the bill. And I wonder how people will feel when they realize they will have to pay for this thing for 4 years with no beneifts? Or how they will feel about the IRS as some sort of enforcer over their healthcare?
Deanna on March 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM
That’s a funny way of saying “I’m trying to bait people into saying something violent so that I can smear them as nutjob extremists.” Is it a regional patois?
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM
I agree with that. Those who forgot that President Obama is first and foremost a politician were turned off by the wheeling and dealing. Silly. Legislation/sausage, etc.
I’m quite disappointed in the bill too, because I wanted to see a strong public option. But this is what it is, and I hope they’ll improve it later.
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 10:11 PM
They can be dismissive now. Just as we will be in November. We’ll still be around. They won’t. And Barry will join them come January 2013.
They may get this past the House that Nancy built. But after tweaking in the Senate…….it might will wind up BACK in Nancy’s lap. Let’s see her twist arms a second time.
GarandFan on March 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM
Charles Krauthammer makes it to list of 10 worst predictions for 2009
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/16/the_10_worst_predictions_for_2009?page=0,4
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2010/01/charles-krauthammer-makes-it-on-our-list-of-top-failures/
JellyToast on March 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM
Whether the bill passes or not, we have to keep fighting the whole idea of government health care, for the simple reason that we already know it won’t work. Britain’s health care system let a 22-year-old man die of thirst in a hospital bed, begging for water.
Mary in LA on March 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM
And so what?
You’re obtuse. I framastat you.
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 10:13 PM
You won’t find yourself wondering what I mean because it is there in what I say, plain as day. I don’t play that game.
For instance, I think you are a blathering fool who enjoys stirring the pot, and have little of value to contribute. Also, I don’t like you very much.
If you have any trouble deciphering that, just ask. No problemo.
hillbillyjim on March 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM
I meant to include your name in my last post.
And did I just see you complaining about someone being lame and vague? That’s rich.
CarolynM on March 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Because we all know, you can’t make sausage without a Cornhusker Kickback, Reconciliation, NASA buyoff, shower confrontations and the Slaughter Solution.
I know you want a strong public option chumpy, but no matter how much free healthcare you get, no doctor is going to be able to reverse your lobotomy.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Anyhow, I’m going to the John Voight rally on Saturday.
JKahn913 on March 18, 2010 at 10:15 PM
Which ran on a campaign opposing or supporting Obamacare?
El_Terrible on March 18, 2010 at 10:15 PM
Well, I don’t always say what I’m thinking. I like it here and don’t want to get banned.
Die Gedanken sind frei,
Wer kann sie verraten?
Mary in LA on March 18, 2010 at 10:15 PM
You asked “What could go wrong?“, and I pointed you in the right direction. You people literally have no clue what you will be dealing with if 0bamessiahCare passes, as you showed by not understanding the lesson of those elections I mentioned.
Really, how could you understand? The Left is ultimately driven by their emotions, while the Right is primarily driven by logic. Logic>emotion. You’ll see what “Atlas Shrugged” looks like in the real world if this 0bamanation passes. We won’t roll over here like the Brits have.
Bizarro No. 1 on March 18, 2010 at 10:16 PM
So you have a problem with an uninformed actor telling you what to think if he’s a liberal, but you’re OK with it if he’s a conservative? How nuanced of you.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 10:16 PM
Bottom line, everybody’s got a prediction. Everybody’s got an opinion. It’s the people in the trenches that will be making the difference.
The battle is not over just because someone declares victory. It’s only over when one side quits and leaves the field of battle.
JellyToast on March 18, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Is this all we can expect from our newest batch of trolls?
I almost miss simplesimon and his race fan slams. Compared to keyboard-pounding idiocy like this, they were positively nuanced.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:18 PM
Krauthammer is an amazing writer with an unmatched command of the language.
As a prognosticator, Nostradamus he ain’t.
hillbillyjim on March 18, 2010 at 10:18 PM
I was thinking I might keep that empty and go to cash.
tessa on March 18, 2010 at 10:19 PM
Proud RINO is a very low quality troll; it’s out of its depth on this blog. At least crr6 makes an effort, even if she is an insufferable tool while doing so.
NoLeftTurn on March 18, 2010 at 10:19 PM
I apologize, I missed the brilliance of your earlier comment.
“A lot of people”. “May not go as bad”.
You, sir, are ingenious.
MarkoMancuso on March 18, 2010 at 10:20 PM
1/4 of our after tax income for health care. Disgraceful.
tessa on March 18, 2010 at 10:20 PM
Hey, it takes a lot of balls to hedge your bets with vague language to the degree that chumpy has.
I might almost be tempted to say that a fair amount of people would consider applauding such an action.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:21 PM
None of them are as good as getalife
RIP getalife
MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM
Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don’t turn it off! That Indonesian Imbecile Control Freak is not my President! Who the Hell wants Barry the Pervert to be in change of giving them a colonoscopy? If you ask me, he and that whole democrat congress of maggots need an enema! We did what we had to do to win! But they bribe people and change the rules and wouldn’t let us win! They say we have a sick and backward nation and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to control us? Who are they? Unless they’ve been us and been there and know what the hell they’re yelling about!
Tuco on March 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM
I just wish someone would run a commercial saying “You’ll be paying for this for four years with no benefits. And then the IRS will be in charge of collecting any penalties and making sure you have insurance.”
I guarantee you that would change alot of minds.
Deanna on March 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM
I’m sure you’ve got an imagination. Use it. Just when you think you’re imagining something painful enough to match what I’m thinking, double it.
venividivici on March 18, 2010 at 10:24 PM
I know one doctor who will retire if this thing goes through. Possibly one nurse, too. I suspect they’re not alone. You trolls can berate them all you want for being “selfish”, but I don’t blame them in the slightest. Not getting to choose your working conditions = slavery.
Mary in LA on March 18, 2010 at 10:24 PM
RIP, indeed. getalife was my favorite one, too.
Bizarro No. 1 on March 18, 2010 at 10:25 PM
So true!
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 10:25 PM
Come on now, Poptech was an excellent troll, ending every post with ROFL ROFL ROFL.
*wipes away a tear* The good ol’ days.
Bishop on March 18, 2010 at 10:26 PM
Remember that troll 343 or whatever her name was? Good times, good times.
Mary in LA on March 18, 2010 at 10:26 PM
I think Poptech was before my time here on HA.
truetexan on March 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM
Yes, poptart knew how to stir the waters… Copy n paste!
MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2010 at 10:30 PM
Hey, you need to take a cold shower and get over me. Don’t like my posts, don’t read ‘em.
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 10:30 PM
Are we really down to just crr, Decider, Rino, chumpy and the Paulbots?
Wow, that’s a sad batch of trolls.
I don’t count Ann because concern trolls are a different breed.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:30 PM
Knock the scales from your eyes then, because people have been clarifying…you just make us tired with your dim-mindedness…And you shouldn’t be talking about having any “stones”…
lovingmyUSA on March 18, 2010 at 10:30 PM
Please do not make this as an empty threat. These are serious times. It’s time to go Galt.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Oh, snap!
MarkoMancuso on March 18, 2010 at 10:31 PM
That’s only an option until the current Administration takes over internet forums because they fall under the Commerce Clause.
And I’m only half kidding.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:32 PM
And how do you propose to do that?
Mary in LA on March 18, 2010 at 10:32 PM
I think you’ll be interested in reading this:
Anyway, we’ll be bankrupt long before 0bamessiahCare kicks in if it does pass, so the Left’s wet dream of universal health care is just wishful thinking. The Left is utterly incapable of understanding what they have unleashed.
Bizarro No. 1 on March 18, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Beats me, I like it here in America, I don’t want to leave. Let the free market decide the best way, maybe?
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 10:33 PM
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 10:30 PM
A cold shower to get over you? No. Pepto and Anti-biotics? Yes.
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Pure delight, ended every post with ROFL ROFL no matter the subject. He could have posted that his dog was killed and it would still end with ROFL ROFL.
Bishop on March 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM
I would agree with that. getalife left some pretty big troll shoes to fill. Sadly, this current batch is not up to the task.
NoLeftTurn on March 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM
Geeze, that sounds like a pretty vague response, maybe?
Anyway, since when do we have a free market, or do we?
Don’t you support Obama’s not so free-markets, perhaps?
MeatHeadinCA on March 18, 2010 at 10:35 PM
Maybe CK is now using upside down inverted reverse psychology of “Fifty Yards to the Outhouse” by Willy Makeit and Illustrated by Betty Wont?
There is a new organization starting up. It’s called FAO. Failures Anonymous Organization will be swelling their ranks come November 2010. Meetings are currently held in secret, but I do know is that when it’s your turn to speak, you must state the following: Hi, my name is ______ and I’m a failure! What comes after that is up to the speaker. Most of the time they just break into tears after the F-word.
What a sad commentary.
LOL!
Americannodash on March 18, 2010 at 10:35 PM
I stare at the numbers.I stare at the numbers.FireDogLake, The Hill, ….I just dont see where this pessimism is coming from. Kraut has never been a great prognosticator. What bugs me are conservatives buying into the Dems manufactured momentum. Why is it on a day when Lynch (huge), Arcuri (big) and Childers (important) come out as NOs, and a black COngressman from Chicago Democrat declares himself undecided (I know its bluster, but it is still news).People are letting the msm spin over Barton, Markey and Guitierrez take precedent. Big deal. Everyone had all these as \”Yes\” leaners anyway.We are two or three solid NOs from killing this. Pelosi needs about 10 or 12 YEAHs from a group of conservative Dems.Its a toss up. But no time for post-mortems.Fight.
swamp_yankee on March 18, 2010 at 10:35 PM
Hey, gotta go. It’s been fun.
Looking forward to Sunday’s “humpbot”!
Carry on wanking!
chumpThreads on March 18, 2010 at 10:36 PM
I miss Roger Waters/The Dean/The Final Cut/voxpopuli. Like toe fungus.
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 10:36 PM
oops I messed up the link, so I’ll try again.
I think you’ll be interested in reading this: OH_MYNEARLY_HALF_OF_THE_NATIONS_DOCTORS_MAY_QUIT_IF_OBAMACARE_IS_PASSED
Bizarro No. 1 on March 18, 2010 at 10:37 PM
Hope your family feels pain they never could have envisioned!
daesleeper on March 18, 2010 at 10:38 PM
So you’re looking forward to the bill failing? Us too.
For the record, passage of the bill would force AP to bring out the melting bunny, not the mighty Humpbot.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 18, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Proud Rino March 18, 2901 at 10:31
Yeah,your goin’ Galt in ur boxers, with a carton of Kools and a case of Orange Crush, in ur mom’s basement. Good work if U can get it. Get a real job.
ontherocks on March 18, 2010 at 10:39 PM
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