Fox News whip count: 212-219; Uh oh: Markey flips from no to yes
posted at 5:25 pm on March 18, 2010 by Allahpundit
I have no idea where they’re getting these numbers — the highest guesstimate I’ve seen for either side is 208 — but we need some good news today. And this almost qualifies as news:
Urgent: Update on House vote tally
Per Pergram, Brandt-Capitol Hill
The new tally is 211 yeas to 220 nays. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) was a yes on the November bill and now is a no.
However, he has a meeting with the president later this afternoon.
In addition, the tally could switch again. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), who was on the record last week as a no, is holding a presser at 1500 et outside the Capitol. We will be there.
Gutierrez, to the great surprise of no one, ended up choking on his threat to vote no over amnesty and confirmed that he’s a yes. So much for La Raza’s saber-rattling this morning. As much as we on the right grumble over the Blue Dogs being paper tigers when it comes time to break from the leadership, it’s an open question to me whether the progressives aren’t even worse. Gutierrez folded, completely predictably, when the White House called his bluff on immigration, and one liberal after another has utterly crumbled on their promise to vote no on a bill that doesn’t have a public option. I wonder if Pelosi is a genius at twisting arms or whether most Democrats are simply too gutless to stand on principle — Bart Stupak being a very glaring exception.
Also to no one’s surprise, retiring Dem Bart Gordon has decided to vote yes. Any reason for optimism amidst this sudden support of momentum? Why, indeed. Behold:
President Barack Obama on Wednesday asked Rep. Anh “Joseph” Cao, R-New Orleans, to take a fresh look at the language on abortion in the Senate health care bill to see whether he could, in good conscience, support landmark health care legislation now days from a final vote.
Cao, the only Republican to vote for the health care bill in either the House or Senate, said he would take another look.
“He’s asked if I would restudy the Senate language and that I would approach it with an open mind. And I promised that I would go back and study the Senate language again,” Cao said after meeting with Obama in the Oval Office for about 10 minutes Wednesday.
Yeah, look. If they’re so hard up for votes that they’re begging a Republican to cast the deciding ballot on universal health care, they’re in seriously deep shinola. He voted yes in November because of Stupak’s amendment and because, after all, it wasn’t the final bill. Given the stakes this time and the lack of anti-abortion language, if he caves he’d get the mother of all primaries and then quite possibly have to contend with enraged conservatives donating to his Democratic opponent in the general just to punish him for his betrayal. He might as well switch parties, especially considering how blue his district is. Exit question: Is Cao really a softer target for The One than Altmire or Lynch?
Update: So much for optimism: Betsy Markey, who was a no in November, is a yes now. I said yesterday that the CBO score was likely to start the dominoes falling one way or another, and now maybe it has. Gird your loins.









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Just kill me now and save me the hassle.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:27 PM
So I’ve been studying the privatization of the airline industry and Ma Bell… I suspect we’ll have to go back down that same pathway…
Skywise on March 18, 2010 at 5:28 PM
If they pass the Bill, you may get that wish.
upinak on March 18, 2010 at 5:28 PM
Rumors are Gordon was offered NASA administrator in exchange for his vote while Tanner would get NATO ambassador.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36065
pedestrian on March 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM
I believe this is accurate, ignore much of the other media, the votes are not there and I think between Kucinich and the CBO scores this MIGHT be the highwater mark for Obamacare.
rob verdi on March 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM
Just re-load…
… and keep on firing!
Seven Percent Solution on March 18, 2010 at 5:30 PM
My sense is Cao is there to rob us of any argument against “Unilateralism.”
JM
Jacob Marley on March 18, 2010 at 5:30 PM
Exactly. And Barry didn’t postpone his vacation just to take a victory lap.
Vashta.Nerada on March 18, 2010 at 5:30 PM
There won’t be a NASA for him to administrate if Obama keeps his trend.
I wouldn’t trust Obama’s *word*/s on anything.
INC on March 18, 2010 at 5:30 PM
March Madness redefined
Mallard T. Drake on March 18, 2010 at 5:31 PM
It’s like I have woken up in Jones town…the Democrats really are asking us to drink the kool aide.
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Yep.
At least I get to pay them a bunch of money for 4 years until I get to step in front of a death panel. Yippee!
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:31 PM
No no, not necessarily… remember when they touted that bill they voted on when it was just Cao who voted for it as being “bipartisan”… they’ll pressure everyone who is even remotely possible to flip… and I think they’ll get the votes…
ninjapirate on March 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM
Of course, I could be wrong. Obama may be desperate for the only conceivable Republican vote in the house–or he may be wanting to just wipe his unit on our chin just for finesse.
JM
Jacob Marley on March 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM
Anybody watching March Madness? No not this madness, but NCAA Basketball. Can’t believe that guy from Murray State hit a jumper at the buzzer. Blew up a huge chunk of my bracket.
davek70 on March 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM
I think they are just talking a big game trying to get people all depressed about it and stop caring.
The Capitol switchboard operator would probably conclude that strategy is not working as planned however.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM
As someone said on another thread today, this is Marx Madness.
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM
Barring a miracle, Cao loses in November no matter what he does. So he can do what he feels is best.
BuzzCrutcher on March 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM
And if the jobs require Senate approval (ambassadorships do, I think), Tom Coburn has promised to put a hold on them.
Wethal on March 18, 2010 at 5:34 PM
Lucky for me I got Vandy losing in the 2nd round, so it’s merely a flesh wound. Shot was clutch though. I love this stuff and I don’t watch any basketball.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:34 PM
Decent people wouldn’t pass a bill of this magnitude on so slim a margin even if they could.
David Shane on March 18, 2010 at 5:34 PM
Well, we had 5 minutes of optimism there…that’s gotta be worth something.
AUINSC on March 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM
Correct me if I wrong but i don’t recall Bush ever bringing Republicans to the white house or air force 1 like pigs to a slaughter (no pun intended) to twist or break an arm or three, threaten to kneecap them or buy them off like a $2 hooker if they don’t vote his way on a bill.
Because if he did the libs would be screaming bloody murder.
veni vidi vici on March 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM
You all do know this is going to pass…right?
I know, I know, I’m being a pessimist and cynical, but c’mon.
And I about had an infarction when I read that whole “democrats standing on principle” line in the text above. That’s the biggest laugh I’ve had all day!
catmman on March 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM
And they could come to appointment under a GOP Senate if everything goes according to plan.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:36 PM
I hate Democrats.
AUINSC on March 18, 2010 at 5:36 PM
When the President and head of your party says his presidency depends on your vote, it’s awfully, awfully hard to say no.
This will pass. Somehow, someway.
SteveMG on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
Ha Ha! Don’t ever count Murray State out of anything. You should have asked me before doing your brackets.
Knucklehead on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
Thanks for your never ending optimism AP. So what is it now 213-218?
davek70 on March 18, 2010 at 5:38 PM
ugh… how about they gird theirs if this comes to term?
Anyone else for kicking the gird of our law makers?
upinak on March 18, 2010 at 5:38 PM
And therein lies the problem.
fogw on March 18, 2010 at 5:38 PM
OK. But thats not covered under ObamaCare. However, killing your unborn will not be a problem.
Amadeus on March 18, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Yeah but all it takes is a 6 vote change. Four congressmen save their careers from impeding political defeat by accepting lifetime judgeships from Obama. And the last two congressmen? Rahmbo shows them photoraphs of the “two darlings” in bed together with a Shetland Sheep Dog. Something like this is sure to happen.
MaiDee on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Well, time for a little optimism (if that’s possible at this point). Here it is:
Obama has postponed his trip to Indonesia so he can stay here and help get ObamaCare passed. So far, his track record in securing votes for issues and people is a big fat zero. When Obama shows up, people lose and issues fail.
SlaveDog on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Second look at Scotland…
d1carter on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
ain’t that the truth!
cmsinaz on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Why can’t republicans buy off these members along the lines of… “Hey your party is toast in November, vote no and you have a better chance of getting re-elected as we take the house back, you scratch my back now, and we’ll scratch yours later.”
veni vidi vici on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
This is going to be the longest 72 hours in these Democrat Weasels life…..they will feel relief come next November from their blatant disregard of the American People’s Wishes…We The People’s Wishes.
Actually they will go down in the History books for this slimy move trying to undermine the WILL of the American People. This is actually the start wait till they start getting hit with all the lawsuits…do they really plan on going home for their Easter Break?
Idaho goes first
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0LSHNfmnWDnZ_JylqiFxeT5GKEQD9EGLNDO0
Virginia to sue.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/03/cuccinellis_office_confirms_vi.html
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
I hear there is going to be a vote Sunday. I am a bit confused. I thought that by using the Slaughter rule, the could deem and not have to vote. So who is going to vote and on what?
This is all getting beyond my comprehension, and as an old guy I can say I have never seen anything so corrupt in my life, and it’s transparent corruption at that. We are in Jonestown, Dante’s Inferno, and … And I didn’t even drink any Kool-Aid.
Dhuka on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Rumors are Gordon was offered NASA administrator in exchange for his vote while Tanner would get NATO ambassador.
amerpundit on March 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM
BitterClinger on March 18, 2010 at 5:42 PM
What happens when the CBO final report comes out this weekend and shows a price tag over $1 trillion and less deficit reduction.
I wish I could reduce my household deficit by spending $940 and getting $0.183 cash back
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Okay people start looking into every district in the land for sweetheart deals, etc. Do what you can to bring every lawsuit you can on any constitutional and ethically area you can. Once this happens, we’ve lost America for good. Very easy to do this with Cap and Trade and Immigration. You won’t know what hit you and they KNOW they have only until November.
Sultry Beauty on March 18, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Landmark Legal Foundation to File Suit to Stop President’s Health Plan if ‘Slaughter Rule’ is Used
(LEESBURG, VA, MARCH 17, 2010)…Mark R. Levin, president of Landmark Legal Foundation, today issued a warning to the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives about the possible use of the so-called “deem and pass,” “self-executing,” or “Slaughter Rule” to enact H.R. 3590, the legislative version of President Obama’s healthcare proposal that has been previously approved by the Senate. If this tactic is employed, Landmark will immediately sue the President, Attorney General Eric Holder and other relevant cabinet members to prevent them from instituting this unconstitutional contrivance.
“Landmark has already prepared a lawsuit that will be filed in federal court the moment the House acts. Such a brazen violation of the core functions of Congress simply cannot be ignored. Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution is clear respecting the manner in which a bill becomes law. Members are required to vote on this bill, not claim they did when they didn’t. The Speaker of the House and her lieutenants are temporary custodians of congressional authority. They are not empowered to do permanent violence to our Constitution.”
(A draft of the complaint Landmark will file is available at:
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM
If you guys want optimism then here is this…
The Dems need to be very careful…
If the vote is close… if it’s practically a tie and they use the Slaughter Solution to pass this then it makes it much likely SCOTUS is going to take a look since it looks like they’re using it for political cover…
BTW, this is also why it’s extremely important that Cao votes against this…
ninjapirate on March 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM
So far, IT IS WE PRO-LIFERS WHO HAVE SAVED YOUR COLLECTIVE A $$ E$ from this monstrosity.
To those greedy souls who just had to fight for the right to murder your children in the womb….THANKS A LOT, FOR NUTHIN’!!
Now you can LOSE your Freedom the way you denied life and freedom to the unborn. We are tired of saving your bacon.
jay12 on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
They will vote on a rule that will include language that the Senate bills is deemed passed without specifically voting on that Senate bill.
Wethal on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
If this administration can do anything, they can wear their dem members down. Chip, chip, chip away. Dennis The Alien was the beginning of the dominos falling. In the end, enough will cave and this thing will go through.
Keep in mind this: the public will find out the hard way that their wonderful entitlements do not start until 2014 and that the costs will explode.
Consider this: 37 states are on board to challenge the individual mandate to be forced to buy insurance.
And, if it passes with the “deem & pass” procedure, Mark Levin and others will challenge it in the courts.
Passing this bill might just be the biggest, foulest smelling can of worms the Dems have ever opened.
Opposite Day on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Evidently. But then, this is ‘the most open, most honest, most transparent Congress, evah!’
Be very interesting to see Nancy’s “Pay and Owe” Sheet right about now. You think “Stimulus” was a porker, wait and see what these votes are going to cost the taxpayer.
GarandFan on March 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Just melt the focking bunny now and be done with it.
Abby Adams on March 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM
I don’t know if this has been posted, but this is from his site. He was a yes last fall and is now a no.
INC on March 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM
They are going to Vote on the “Fixes” to the Senate Bill it’s separate, then deem the Senate Bill itself then send it to the President for his signature.
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM
Tom Coburn said his staff will be going over appropriations from now on and looking for the quid pro quo in other bills and call the Dem out as a vote-selling wh@re.
And he will put holds on any nomination to a federal post of a former Dem who voted for Obamacare.
Wethal on March 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM
Because the MSM would pick up on that and would report non-stop 24/7 that Republicans are trying to bribe members of congress. Headlines would read “EVIL EVIL REPUBLICANS ARE LIARS AND CHEATS”.
Sort of like the headlines weve seen condemning the Democrats.
Not.
fogw on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
The rampant corruption and sleazy arm twisting would take a toll on even a normal group of reasonably moral people…among Democrats, who are, by a large percentage (Stupak and crew excepted, of course) amoral or immoral, I think the Nancy might well pull this off. When the country lost it’s mind and put these degenerates and criminals in power, this kind of thing was inevitable. The only amazing thing is that they had this much trouble destroying the country.
AUINSC on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Just kill me now and save me the hassle.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:27 PM
uknowmorethanme: Man your position and buck up!
(i kid):)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Decency is indignant.
Schadenfreude on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
They have to vote on the reconciliation bill.
They are pretending that the Senate bill is passing because they are voting on the reconciliation bill to “fix” it.
In reality, they are adding an amendment to an existing bill and voting on that package. Then they are just going to pretend that’s not what’s really happening so that the Senate doesn’t have to vote on the whole package. Then they pull out just the Senate language and have Obama sign it into law without both chambers voting on and passing identical language from cover to cover.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
AP – Did you suffer or stroke? Here’s exactly what’s goin’ down with Cao
Obama – Joe, I’d like you to take a second look.
Cao – OK. But the abortion language is exactly worse than before, and I was considering becoming a priest at one point, so…
Obama – Look, I’ve got the votes but barely. What I need know is “bipartisan” cover so the Blue Dogs don’t get steamrolled over abortion in the fall. What you need is a weak New Orleans contest and a nod from a few of the unions and “outreach” leaders. So, once again, consider voting for it.
Cao uhhh….
They used his ass last time for “bipartisan” bullshit and they want to do it again. He’s a puss, so put the odds at 50/50, unless McCain comes calling.
What needs to happen is Boehner and company should tell Cao if he does it, they’re tossing him out. Don’t let the decision reside with Cao. The GOP needs to take a damn stand for once and state “If you vote yeah, you better resign beforehand or we’re tossing you out in the morning”. End-Of-F’in-Sentence.
budfox on March 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Talk about living in a “Historical” time!
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM
What is Markey getting for her vote?
d1carter on March 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM
If passed, this will be repealed. Once people have had time to go through the bill and explain all the new bureaucracies, taxes, fees, and lost liberties … it will be gone.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 5:49 PM
I was doing a ROFLCOPTER when he said that.
Holger on March 18, 2010 at 5:49 PM
A pink slip in November
thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Republicans had hoped for the separate vote to get Democratic lawmakers on record on the Senate bill, which includes some provisions on abortion, excise taxes, and other issues that House lawmakers find distasteful.
As this stand[s], Democrats plan a vote on a rule on Sunday that would make changes to the Senate-passed bill while deeming the original legislation to have passed the House.
Michelle Malkin
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:50 PM
You want to vote with your frikkin’ “conscience”, Democrats??
Go right ahead!
We’ll remind you of one thing, though. You are not in Congress to represent your “conscience” – you are in Congress to represent us!
Since you’d rather represent your “conscience” rather than us, you have proven beyond any doubt that you’re not the right person for the job we have hired you to do.
Therefore, we will gladly repeat the immortal words of Donald Trump, “You’re fired!”
newton on March 18, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Markey was leaning yes for some time, so that’s not really new.
Enoxo on March 18, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Then we need to look at anything in our local districts with our representatives that looks in anyway not right and forward that information to them. Help them out with this stuff people. Let’s not just sit on our collective behinds and complain.
Sultry Beauty on March 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM
The Fox News numbers came from taking the 220-215 passage of the first House version of PlaceboCare, subtracting the 3 “yes” districts that are vacated, the 1 “no” district that is vacated, the Stupak 5, Cao, and Lynch that flipped from “yes” to “no”, and the Kucinich “no”-to-”yes” flip.
steveegg on March 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM
Unfortunately, the bill has language in it that requires any repeal, even under a republican president, to be supported by a 2/3 majority. It literally alters Senate rules. It is so sucky.
andy85719 on March 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM
*que doppy sad music*
upinak on March 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM
IT WASN’T THE CBO THAT SWAYED MARKEY. IT WAS PELOSI’S DAMN MEETING FROM YEASTERDAY.
It was a closed-door threat to all House Women who were against.
WATCH KAPTUR
budfox on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
This is going to be the longest 72 hours in these Democrat Weasels life…..
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Dr Evil: T-minus 72 hours to D-Day,
er,Democrats are Done Day!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I’m at the point where I don’t even want to read the news anymore . . .
Although it’d be amusing if Pelosi tried to get votes by holding her breath until she turned blue and passed out . . .
Ingenue on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
For anyone who is DVRing Beck or unable to catch watch himm soon. Rally at the Capitol Saturday at noon.
Laura in Maryland on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
Hmmmm… Ace of Spades is saying Marky is a “No”.
Romeo13 on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I suspect that deals are being made as we speak.
The smart politician is the one who will be ready to pounce when the Yes votes happen. Anybody know what Mark Levin has in mind? Maybe Landmark Legal Foundation will jump into action.
The Race Card on March 18, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Alter the Senate rules back with 60.
JKahn913 on March 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Nah, it’s a typo…he got them reversed. He just twittered a No to Yes.
AUINSC on March 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers – I Won’t Back Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Cheap whores, the lot of them. They’ll all be bought off. I hope they can live with themselves. Selling out our nation for a position they may not get. Sick sacks of garbage. All of them!!!
capejasmine on March 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Can the folks “Recall” their Representatives? I mean look at all these people voting against the will of their constituents. Why should their constituents have to wait until November they should be able to get rid of them now…
Isn’t that how Governor Grey of California get replaced by Arnold? RECALLED…why can’t the people who “Deem” they are not being represented by their elected Representative in the House, they should be able to RECALL them.
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM
It had better be no less than a clone of John Elway that the Denver Broncos can sign.
Denverslim on March 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Fred Barns, over at the WSJ:
Remember, the Catastrophic Health Care made it into law, and was repealed 18 months later. It too, did not take full effect for years, in order to game the budget estimates.
LarryD on March 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Thanks…
Romeo13 on March 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM
This is a Fox News Whip count, which at this point pretty much means nothing. Other sites are saying that the Dims are still way short. Let’s take this thread with a grain of salt, please. This cr*p sandwich HC bill may still pass after all is said and done, but no one else at this time is reporting 213-218.
joejm65 on March 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM
I tried calling her CO office. No one answering with an option to go to voicemail. After about 20 rings, more blather and then, “mail box is full”.
Living in CO, I hope she enjoyed her time in Congress, she’s done and in a district that flipped to get her in. It will flip back, take that to the bank. In the mean time, hold on.
Abelman on March 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Calling my local Maryland conservative friends (you two know who you are)…
http://www.redstate.com/jstjoan/2010/03/18/tea-party-patriots-saturday-surge-on-dc/
Saturday, Capitol, noon. Be there.
Laura in Maryland on March 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Not enforceable… If they can use the slaughter rule for this, we’ll use the slaughter rule to undo it. This is what they’ve driven the government of the United States to. Take No Prisoners combat.
Skywise on March 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
What have we learned in 2,065 years?
~~Cicero – 55 BC
Schadenfreude on March 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Tom Petty ” Don’t Scare Easy”
Dr Evil on March 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
they have the votes, those who will give them the edge are still claiming to be No’s and will switch at last minute.
They wouldn’t go through all this idiocy if they hadnt already decided to push it through.
jp on March 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM
Fox has it only two votes away from passing.
andy85719 on March 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM
If I go to hospital and they give me some Kool-Aid, I swear I will use it to give some civil servant the enema of a lifetime.
Harry Schell on March 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM
Too bad the song will be “Freeloading”
Freefallingthomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM
The GOP will call a point of order, and this will not get the 60 votes needed to stay in the bill simply because Senators do not take lightly to the House trying to set their rules.
uknowmorethanme on March 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM
For anyone who is DVRing Beck or unable to catch watch himm soon. Rally at the Capitol Saturday at noon.
Laura in Maryland on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
Laura in Maryland:)
============================================
Rep. Steve King (R-IA): Saturday House Call Rally At The Capitol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOoulGSTyY8&feature=related
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 6:00 PM
Woahza. That is crazy. Where are you getting this info from?
terryannonline on March 18, 2010 at 6:00 PM
Yeah, I think she was done anyway… look for some administration job offer soon…
Romeo13 on March 18, 2010 at 6:00 PM
I’m sure she doesn’t need to read those voicemails…she knows what they say. She just doesn’t care.
AUINSC on March 18, 2010 at 6:01 PM
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