Disgrace: House approves Slaughter strategy, 222-203
posted at 4:40 pm on March 18, 2010 by Allahpundit
A travesty on top of a travesty. The boss emeritus has a list of the 28 Democrats who voted with the GOP, but that’s less interesting than Geraghty’s roll of wavering Dems who voted with Pelosi. A leading indicator that they’re planning to vote yes on the bill? Or a cheap ‘n easy way of appeasing The One for now in anticipation of a devastating no vote on Sunday? You make the call!
• Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania.
• John Barrow, Georgia.
• John Boccieri, Ohio.
• Allen Boyd, Florida.
• Leonard Boswell, Iowa.
• Joe Donnelly, Indiana.
• Brad Ellsworth, Indiana.
• Baron Hill, Indiana.
• Marcy Kaptur, Ohio.
• Dan Maffei, New York.
• Jim Marshall, Georgia.
• Jim Matheson, Utah.
• Michael McMahon, New York.
• Betsy Markey, Colorado.
• Patrick Murphy, Pennsylvania.
• Earl Pomeroy, North Dakota.
• Nick Rahall, West Virginia.
• Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania.
• Carol Shea Porter, New Hampshire.
• Ike Skelton, Missouri.
• Zach Space, Ohio.
• John Spratt, South Carolina.
• Charlie Wilson, Ohio.
Altmire dumped on the Slaughter strategy before voting for it. So did Stephen Lynch — who, interestingly, said he was a no on the bill itself just a few hours ago. My hunch is that they both want to vote no on O-Care but don’t want to be blamed for tying Pelosi’s hands in case she’s able to get to 216 by using Slaughter, so they’re throwing the leadership a bone on this vote. That’s the optimistic read. The pessimistic read is that Pelosi’s already gotten to 216 so they made a deal with her by which she agreed to cut them loose and let them vote their conscience on Sunday in return for playing ball today. Numerically, it almost has to be the case that a few Dems who voted for this will vote no on the final bill since there probably won’t be more than 216 or 217 for the latter. (Ike Skelton, who voted yes today, is a firm no on O-Care itself as far as I know.) The question is whether they have 222 who are willing to vote for it, with Pelosi left to decide which lucky five or six will be allowed to vote no on Sunday in the interests of self-preservation. Gulp.
But look. If you think this thing is headed for passage, which seems increasingly likely, your last best hope to kill it is through a court challenge. The filthier the process, the better the odds that SCOTUS will torpedo it down the line. I’m not so naive as to think that’s what Altmire and Skelton had in mind when they voted yes, but that may well be the effect. Three cheers for Slaughter!
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Here’s that Hawaii anti-birth certificate link
ConservativeTony on March 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM
The “rules” are not for those above the “rules”.
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM
Well, since the democrat platform is exactly the same as the Communist Party USA platform, and the fact that they’ve been implementing FDR’s “Second Bill of Rights” over the decades which is taken from the Soviet Constitution … I’d say Communists would be appropriate.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 5:34 PM
This is why Hamilton is one of my favorite founder-dudes. Nothing ambiguous about Alex. He came straight at you. His integrity as Treasury Secretary makes the current one seem like a two-bit thug scraping up the leftovers from Capone.
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM
What I don’t get is why someone would want to abandon his/her personal liberty, true freedom of choice. It’s not like Six is talking to a bunch of rich corporate fat-cats here. We’re just regular people.
Why, I wonder, her hate for people who are no more wealthy than her. I just don’t grasp that level of anger, against people who have done her no true harm.
If she thinks I’m a ‘bad guy’, I demand to know how and where.
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM
You must be watching Glenn Beck too…..:-)
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:36 PM
Mar 18 2010
Dec 7th 1941
==========================
Today March 18,2010
a date which will live in infamy – the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Liberal Party.
The DNC, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.
As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.
Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.
I believe I interpret the will of the Tea Patriots and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.
Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.
With confidence in our armed forces – with the unbounded determination of our people – we will gain the inevitable triumph – so help us God.
I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by the DNC on Sunday, December seventh, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Democrat Party.
-(snark).
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
OT/Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck now.
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
no idea. In 2000, on December 8th, the Florida Supreme COurt order state wide recount, next day December 9th, the US Supreme court stayed the Florida recount. Do not know the mechanics. I hope the Republicans were not just sitting on their hands watching this travesty.
runner on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
May 2011, right? That’s when you think the United States ceases to exist, or at least states start seceding? OK. I assume you’re standing firm on that.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
Votes ‘yea!’
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM
He assumes we are all more successful in life than he is, so by definition (according to the liberal lexicon) anyone more successful than you is rich.
So to him, we are a bunch of corporate fat cats.
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM
So you’re not the least concerned about the original intent of the founding fathers, just whether you get your “Free Stuff”
None of that old -fashioned ‘Consent of the governed’ thing for you, right?
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Perrrrty much. Count me among them. The fortunate side is, me being more quiet than usual, you guys don’t have to suffer through my horrible jokes as much as before.
CatsGodot on March 18, 2010 at 5:40 PM
I watch Beck, but it’s amazing what you can find just by going to the CPUSA website or reading the Soviet Constitution.
darwin on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Well they appointed Bush POTUS, and that took less than a day, so the answer to your question is YES.
Does this require a /tag?
ConservativeTony on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
OT/Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck now.
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
sicoit: Thanks,I need to move the tv into the computer
room!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM
thnx, one of us is enuff
thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Going to end up being neither. They are really out of touch.
jeanie on March 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM
Votes ‘yea!’
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Liam:I’m gonna do a Patton Speech re-do,when the time
is right,btw,The Pearl Harbour speech,I shortened
it a tad!:)
canopfor on March 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM
Mah playsha shuga….(that’s southern for happy to help)
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM
Her personal, and oft-stated and -avowed hatred of liberty is what I don’t get.
She claims to be attending law school. By her arguments, that’s really a lie. Or she’s going to a really bad school.
But, taking her at her word, law school isn’t cheap. So, with all that, I wonder her hatred for all that liberty she’s assaulting.
Nothing seems to have congruence with her. Someone like her wouldn’t fit among the Hippies I recall from the 60s.
I just don’t understand mindless, undirected hate like Six constantly shows.
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
I’m curious how the “Don’t elect moderate Republicans, only strict conservatives” are feeling this week. How’s the Republican purity working out for us?
terryannonline on March 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM
I’m curious as to how you missed the fact that your “moderate Republicans” are the ones to blame for this entire travesty.
Not one MAN could be found in the Senate to stand strong and employ even a fraction of the parliamentary maneuvers which were at their disposal, such as having the entire bill read, TWICE, and other tactics which would have holed the bill up in the Senate until this very minute!
Instead, they lamely proferred amendments, allowed two cloture votes to happen and then Mitch McConnell graciously allowed the infamous Christmas Eve vote, where the Senate bill passed to the House and everyone went home for the holidays. In fact, moderate b!tches, Mitch McConnell and Orrin Hatch were quoted as saying they weren’t against the bill, just upset because they weren’t allowed to participate.
In contrast, George Washington was crossing the Delaware on a freezing Christmas Eve night, with a band of half-frozen and starved American heroes, intent on saving the nation for themselves and their posterity.
And every GOP Senator has profoundly disrepected their sacrifice, along with the ultimate sacrifice that millions of patriotic Americans have given unto to this very day.
In our hallowed Congressional halls, we have nothing but girly-zeroes, too afraid of name calling, never mind a sacrifice in their blood or the courage of heroes.
So, go ask yourself, terryann, how’s it working out for you that your moderates have brought us to within a breath of losing our nation. NOT the rabid leftists, who are only acting according to their insane instincts, but your MODERATES who don’t have the spine of a worm. And you are another one whose “solution” is more than just part of the problem. You have helped bring us to the brink of disaster.
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
CatsGodot on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Keep it up! I rather fight at your side than listen to ten million Democrats.
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Mah playsha shuga….(that’s southern for happy to help)
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM
sho nuff
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM
YOur wordings is wrong “Conservative”. Bush was elected, even after that weirdo recount was completed, he was ahead of Gore.
runner on March 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM
My my shuga, I believe I have the vapors!!!
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
It’s really hard to figure out the Leftists- Part of it has to be that they see themselves as part of the ruling ‘Elite’ – smarter and knowing more that everyone else.
The problem is, in the words of Donald Rumsfeld, they don’t know what they don’t know – they are arrogant to think they KNOW all the answers and that they don’t need to listen to anyone else.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
How dreadful are the curses which the democrat congress lays on its votaries! Besides it’s fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a congress as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this narcissistic hatred of the Constitution. The effects are apparent in many ways. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of legislating and insecurity of law exist wherever the congressional members of this party rule. The final extinction of tyranny will be delayed until the democrat party has ceased to be a great power among men.
- “Winston Churchill”
MB4 on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Akin to my fave quote: Beware the wrath of a patient man.
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Oh, by all means let’s revel in bread and circuses.
ya2daup on March 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM
See what I mean
thomasaur on March 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Well, jump in the back of the truck. We’ll go down to the house and get you some sweet tea. That’s fix you up.
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Rep. Steve King (R-IA):”It would be sactimonious for them to vote on Sunday….during Lent….”
WOOO HOOOOO!
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:50 PM
LOL. Brilliant adaptation!
neurosculptor on March 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM
I’m not sure the Framers called all that much about the consent of the governed either, despite their oft-lofty rhetoric about the subject. Remember that they were politicians too, and most were politicians first.
I actually think this is unconstitutional (although I don’t have the best understanding of deem and pass), but my point is that the Court’s just not going to overturn this thing for political reasons.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
tigerlilly:
No, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are to blame for this. Blaming moderates who are actually voting the same way DeMint and Coburn are is ridiculous. And it was not moderates who sat home and pouted for a couple of elections either.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I tend to find them to just be angry. They seem full of rage and fury but, at what, they can’t define.
I know why my parents pissed me off, when I was a kid. Then I grew past it, to realize my mom and dad were people of good character and nature. By their teaching, I raised two more excellent Citizens in my children. I got past my impetuousness, and thank God for my parents.
Liberals, though, keep their anger. I don’t get that. Sure, egotism is a factor. But there’s more. There’s something seriously wrong with liberals, to hold their kind of fury.
Thank God most of them don’t want to own guns, huh? LOL
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:53 PM
So, why would my Congressman deny voting for this when he had? I mean, it is not as if people are not going to figure it out. I went off on that aide. I told him that this was absolutely disgraceful and that the Democrats deserved to be ruined for what they are doing. He said people from both sides are yelling at them. I said yeah, but my side is the side that actually votes.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM
You know, Nov 2nd is gonna be one hell of a party, I can hardly wait, It’s gonna be like a presidential vote.
royzer on March 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM
You totally missed my sarc tag, Runner. However, since we’re all on pins and needles here, I can see why you missed it. Have you been getting your proper rest? Been eating well?
ConservativeTony on March 18, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Just e-mailed Paul Hodes suggesting that he not bother to spend any money on his Senate bid in 2010. Back to lawyering for him I think. Buh bye!!
jeanie on March 18, 2010 at 5:56 PM
Politicians don’t pay out of their own pockets to support a revolution. Washington did, and so did many signers of the Declaration. Many of those Signers lost all they had, and were never reimbursed for their contributions. A number of them died in poverty.
You might want, just for fun, take a peek at things that happened back then. I imagine, since you’re not a moron (NO sarcasm here), you’ll enjoy the reads.
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Rep. Steve King (R-IA):”It would be sactimonious for them to vote on Sunday….during Lent….”
WOOO HOOOOO!
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Does he think that the party of 48 million abortions and elderly/handicapped-offing via obamacare would pass up any chance to attempt to affront the Almighty?
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Here here!!!! GROW.UP.GET.OVER.IT!!! I’m sooooo sick of those that say “poor BHO, see what he had to grow up with”. Whatevah! Either take the knocks, learn from them and go on or GET.OUT.OF.THE.WAY! Sorry, today has been such a fun, enlightening day with all of the cr@p going on.
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM
All you tyrants who tower above us
You who give us the smack of your rod
Soon now we will give you the gutter
We will give you the judgment of God!!
PercyB on March 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Cha Ching! We all know they could care less when/how they kill our country/the unborn/the elderly/etc. I was just happy to hear SOMEONE make the point of Sunday….
sicoit on March 18, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Try this:
Unconstitutional is unconstitutional
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 6:01 PM
The only thing higher than good parents is God Himself.
Liam on March 18, 2010 at 6:01 PM
I’m no admirer of Snowe, but whether she voted for it or not, the Dhims had the votes to pass the bill in Baucus’ Finance Committee since they outnumber the Republicans 13 – 10.
ya2daup on March 18, 2010 at 6:04 PM
I’m not too sure about that – it just can’t be Conservatives that are buying all those guns and ammo in the past year.
There’s a storm brewing, and it could get really ugly.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 6:05 PM
I’ve always argued that they are part of a National party, and they are Socialists at heart – Socialism is simply Communism implemented over time instead of instituted after a glorious revolution by the Proletariat over the evil Bourgeois….
(sorry, started channeling Marx)
Anyways… having said that, that should be in the name.
They also champion the rights of the Proletariat aka Workers – that should be in there.
SO: National Socialist Workers Party
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM
The forests will sing, the oceans will cry
The resistance will soar through every sky
Sisters will carry the flame
And Brothers will throw down the lightning and rain
Upon the dragon-boats, the tyrants they will assail
The battle-call of those yearning to be free will wail
Storming Washington with pitchforks and torches in hand
Driving the tyrants from our the land
Till one day they view the Mussolini Tree
And all hang from it the same as he
MB4 on March 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM
tigerlilly:
No, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are to blame for this. Blaming moderates who are actually voting the same way DeMint and Coburn are is ridiculous. And it was not moderates who sat home and pouted for a couple of elections either.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I normally don’t do this, but let me repost what I said earlier. (Sorry for those who have seen it already)
I am way too angry to try to reword for you what is perfectly obvious to anyone who cares to think beyond the most primary of arguments. And did I miss something, or were DeMint and Coburn MIA when it came to doing everything possible to block the Senate bill from passing on Christmas Eve instead of keeping it bottled up to this very date, which they could have done? … Yeah, I thought so, MIA.
And btw, I don’t EVER sit home for ANY election. Stop plying your msm spin about conservatives who don’t vote because they are “pouting”. It won’t sell here.
I’m curious how the “Don’t elect moderate Republicans, only strict conservatives” are feeling this week. How’s the Republican purity working out for us?
terryannonline on March 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM
I’m curious as to how you missed the fact that your “moderate Republicans” are the ones to blame for this entire travesty.
Not one MAN could be found in the Senate to stand strong and employ even a fraction of the parliamentary maneuvers which were at their disposal, such as having the entire bill read, TWICE, and other tactics which would have holed the bill up in the Senate until this very minute!
Instead, they lamely proferred amendments, allowed two cloture votes to happen and then Mitch McConnell graciously allowed the infamous Christmas Eve vote, where the Senate bill passed to the House and everyone went home for the holidays. In fact, moderate b!tches, Mitch McConnell and Orrin Hatch were quoted as saying they weren’t against the bill, just upset because they weren’t allowed to participate.
In contrast, George Washington was crossing the Delaware on a freezing Christmas Eve night, with a band of half-frozen and starved American heroes, intent on saving the nation for themselves and their posterity.
And every GOP Senator has profoundly disrepected their sacrifice, along with the ultimate sacrifice that millions of patriotic Americans have given unto to this very day.
In our hallowed Congressional halls, we have nothing but girly-zeroes, too afraid of name calling, never mind a sacrifice in their blood or the courage of heroes.
So, go ask yourself, terryann, how’s it working out for you that your moderates have brought us to within a breath of losing our nation. NOT the rabid leftists, who are only acting according to their insane instincts, but your MODERATES who don’t have the spine of a worm. And you are another one whose “solution” is more than just part of the problem. You have helped bring us to the brink of disaster.
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Bush v. Gore doomed the Bush Presidency.
I fear what a Supreme Court desicion will do.
Why are Democrats so intent on gaming the system? Why can’t they just do things the honest up front way?
Why couldn’t there be a State wide recount in Florida in 2000? That would have been fair and no Supreme Court would have been involved. But no they had to be tricky with the rules!
Now this. What is going to be the unforeseeable consequence of having to involve the courts in this legislation?
Please Dems don’t do this thing!
petunia on March 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM
She’s got the votes for an up or down. She’s just trying to minimize the damage for Blue Dogs in November with the Demon Pass. If they can keep the Blue Dogs from getting run over, they can guarantee ObamaCare won’t suffer from a partial-birth abortion.
spmat on March 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM
No they champion the rights of union bosses over workers…
petunia on March 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Good to know who holds our democracy cheap.
Bastards. You WILL hear us, later if not now.
evergreen on March 18, 2010 at 6:14 PM
P.S. Terrye, when you find the footage of DeMint or Coburn or any other Senator who were courageously throwing wrench after wrench into the passage of obamacare in order to save our Republic and the unborn from magnitudes of increased baby killing; things like insisting that all 2700 pages be read out loud, twice, in the Senate, or countless other parliamentary maneuvers available to them but left unused, make sure you post if for us all to see, mkay?
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Hamilton wanted
- Washington installed as King
- Creation of a national bank
- Creation of a parliamentary government
… all like the motherland we just fought off. He was a Big Gov fan.
I’ll stick with Samuel Adams and Thomas Jefferson and the likes of anti-Federalists. If anyone would like to revert to the Articles of Confederation … count me in.
AZ_Redneck on March 18, 2010 at 6:15 PM
tigerlily:
You are wrong. The Democrats had a super majority, up until Brown won in Mass, not parliamentary procedure was going to over come that. They also had the White House. It might make you feel better to eat your own and form the old circular firing squad but the people you should be yelling at are the ones with the Ds behind their names.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 6:15 PM
And btw, tigerlilly those Senators you mentioned as being heroic were supported by the Republicans you want to condemn.
Terrye on March 18, 2010 at 6:16 PM
After drinking a potion of his own and Saul Alinsky’s creation, Barack is transformed into the cruel, remorseless, evil Herr Hussein, representing the hidden side of Obama’s dual nature brought to the fore. Barack has many friends and has a pleasing personality, but as Herr Hussein he becomes more and more dictatorial, disregards all rules, even encourages violence and becomes ever more fascist like as time goes by as Herr Hussein grows in dominance. After taking this potion repetitively, he no longer needs to rely upon it to unleash his inner fascist demons.
The Strange Case of Professor Obama and Herr Hussein is a real life drama playing out in the aftermath of the Presidential election of 2008. It is about the dilemma of the American citizen who sees strange dissonances between the new found Messiah, Professor Obama, and the ever more emerging misanthropic, pyromaniac (reference note #1) Herr Hussein. It is a vivid portrayal of a split personality, split in the sense that within the same person there is, or was, both an apparently good and an ever more emerging evil personality each being quite distinct from the other. In mainstream culture the very phrase “Obama and Hussien” will come to mean a person who’s words are vastly different in moral character from his actions.
Reference note #1: Such individuals who lack ulterior motive have traditionally been referred to in layman’s terms simply as a variation of a pyromaniac. Most such maniacs lack conscious motivation although they are fully aware of the acts they are failing to stop or they themselves are committing. Typically they will feel intense pleasure, gratification, or relief when causing destruction or when witnessing or participating in the aftermath. Motivation is also classified as pathological and non-pathological. Some research suggests that feeling such joy at horrific situation is pathological. Other research suggests that some motivation for this comes from rational thought. Taking joy in horrific situations for envisioned gains in political power and/or the concealment of the imposition of devious plans are examples of supposed rational decision making.
Sigmund on March 18, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Ok, so when do we get to discuss unmentionable topics? ;)
Midas on March 18, 2010 at 6:20 PM
I’m on the border of NY29 (Massa’s district) and Slaughter lives less than 2 miles from me. One disgusting betrayal after another. What’s next?
And don’t forget NY’s other gleaming jewels including Hillary, Spitzer, Schumer, Rangel and Paterson.
kooly on March 18, 2010 at 6:23 PM
I wish that were true. But I just don’t think it is.
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM
LOL
Proud Rino on March 18, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Okay, maybe I’m stretching that a little.. they supposedly rights of the Proletariat aka Workers.
National Socialist still works.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 6:35 PM
There have to be Limits, No?
This would save the dems from themselves – at lest save the Party from the Far Left National Socialists.
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Thank you, doctor. Just remember: A person with multiple personalities is never alone. Neither is a narcissist like the President.
kingsjester on March 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM
Not merely a leading indicator. They are doing this precisely for the purpose of being able to vote for a more palatable bill. They want to say that they voted for a fun happy magical house bill that took away all the senate kick-backs, even though that part could easily die in the senate, so that all they are really voting for is the original senate bill.
(Which isn’t to say the house bill won’t also be filled with shady deals. But maybe those will be better hidden. And with all the private conversations going on now, I suspect there are even worse forms of bribery not written into the bill itself.)
RINO in Name Only on March 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM
We can’t mention them……
Chip on March 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Terrye:
Are you aware of the memo written in December by Sen Judd Gregg outlining the plethora of parliamenatary manuevers which could have been used by the GOP Senate in order to bottle the bill up UNTIL SPRING??? That would be now.
Are you aware that Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell quashed the memo, let alone would not “allow” (are there any independent men in the senate?) any other senator to deploy these procedures?
And are you aware that Mitch McConnell has said repeatedly, although not recently, that passage of obamacare would be really good for gaining republican seats in the midterm???!!!
Please don’t try the obama straw-man argument with me about a circular firing sqaud. Credit and blame are due with the people who deserve the same. If you think that this bill from hell got out of the Senate and now to within a whisker of passage because we had patriotic, Constitutional conservatives in the Senate GOP, dream on.
They talk a good game, but I’m watching the action, and as I said before, when the action took place and it was going to get tough, they were no where to be found. And tough is a relative term. Did anyone ask them to shed even one drop of blood?
And even if this passes, they will be exempt. How nice. If they were really with us they would shut down ALL congressional business until the left gives in. And I would be right there covering their backside if they did it.
These “conservative” GOP senators were sent to D.C. because they promised to be the sentinals, to watch the gates and keep out the enemy. Because they have deserted their post and shirked their duties, the animals on the left will be attempting to force us all to pay for abortion and euthansia and coming for our jobs, what little money we may have, and our property if we don’t comply. Our lives, if we have a conscience, will be a living hell thanks to them. If we won’t sell our souls to these worse-than-rapists and engage in their murder-spree, we will lose everything.
What do you think we are dealing with that nice conservative words from those who were supposed to defend us will mean when you are homeless in the winter????
It was they, not I, who had the power to stop this thing in the Senate. If I had the power they had, I would not have tucked and run, even if I had to stand alone. It would have been an honor.
And to say the the rabid left is to be blamed is to blame a dog for smelling another dog’s rear. It’s what they do. It was the “Conservatives” that we sent to congress that promised to keep the dogs off of us. It was what they didn’t do.
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM
You go tigerlily!
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on March 18, 2010 at 6:51 PM
I’m tired of hearing this … because it’s flat out wrong. It’s the same old tired quote “We’re not a Democracy … we’re a Republic”.
It’s like saying … “I play a Telecaster – not a guitar.”
“I drive a Volkswagen … not a car”
Give me a damn break. People must have been sleeping in elementary school when they went over direct democracies and representative democracies.
We live in a damn democracy here. It’s a Republican Democracy – but a democracy nonetheless.
HondaV65 on March 18, 2010 at 7:13 PM
Unfortunately – your opinion doesn’t count on this. And … more importantly – the court’s opinion isn’t going to count either. What’s going to count is the “smell test” the American people are going to put this fiasco – and they will be the final say. I submit they will find this action distasteful and un-American – and completely not in the spirit of the Constitution of the United States.
Just because you CAN do something – doesn’t mean you should.
The Democrats are going to learn this in November. This will make the anger FIRE HOT – bordering on revolution in the streets. But the people are going to be calm … because November is only a few months away – they will vent their anger in the voting booths.
Obama may have won a devastatingly Pyrrhic victory with O’Care. It’s a victory the Democrats won’t survive.
HondaV65 on March 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM
You go tigerlily!
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on March 18, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Feel free to jump in anytime; I have no patience whatsoever today for marshmellupublicans.
p.s. just took a close look at your screen name. heh.
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 7:19 PM
In other words, 222 members of Congress who took an oath of office swearing to defend and protect the Constitution of The United States just voted to approve bypassing the Constitution so as to push this health care madness through without having to vote on it.
In other words, 222 members of Congress just spat on that oath, and on the Constitution of the United States.
Anyone out there ever heard of treason?
Because I do believe this is what this amounts to.
pilamaye on March 18, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Liberal support for ObamaCare is equivalent to lemmings suing to jump off the cliff.
BobMbx on March 18, 2010 at 7:32 PM
I am sick and tired of people saying just because they have an R by their name then they are better then a Dem. It doesn’t make it okay. R isn’t good enough anymore! WE need statesmen! WE need leaders! We need men and women who are willing to stand in the breach and yell STOP! STOP THIS MADNESS!!!! This is insane! If someone would have told me this a last January I wouldn’t have believed them.
I always knew Obama was a Marxist but the depths to which these people will stop is appalling. Yesterday I saw the President of the United States of America tell Bret Baier (essentially) that the ends justified the means. Process doesn’t matter my ass! This debate has turned into one of process. The backroom deals, the quid pro quo deal making, the federal positions offered
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on March 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Is it REALLY a stretch to say that the last election that was free and America still had a chance was November 2008?
Obamacare on Sunday………Amnesty next……..Cap & Trade….and as a bonus a completely compliant Media (that would proclaim SATAN himself as “moderate”).
There you go America you asked for it……Velvet glove tyranny in 5……4……3…….
PappyD61 on March 18, 2010 at 7:44 PM
I am sick and tired of people saying just because they have an R by their name then they are better then a Dem. It doesn’t make it okay. R isn’t good enough anymore! WE need statesmen! WE need leaders! We need men and women who are willing to stand in the breach and yell STOP! STOP THIS MADNESS!!!! This is insane! If someone would have told me this a last January I wouldn’t have believed them. 222 Democrats just spat on the constitution.
I always knew Obama was a Marxist but the depths to which these people will stop is appalling. Yesterday I saw the President of the United States of America tell Bret Baier (essentially) that the ends justified the means. Process doesn’t matter my ass! This debate has turned into one of process. The backroom deals, the quid pro quo deal making, the federal positions offered, they have no morals!
But one thing is for d@mn sure. I will not go down quietly. I will not acquiesce. I will not lay down as my country is ripped from me. I will not allow a handful of corrupt bureaucrats to tell me what to do or what to buy or where to work or what to say. I will not tire, I will not cease. As Churchill said, Never give up! Never! Never! Never! NEVER!
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on March 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Sorry for the double post
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on March 18, 2010 at 7:47 PM
I’m not sure how to do it yet but I’m seeking ways to totally disregard and frustrate this “law” if it is enacted. Clearly this “law” would be illegitimate and of no moral force and effect so it should be held in the contempt it would deserve. Any ideas for counter-implementation? My people have been in America from before the Revolutionary War. I never thought I’d be called to resistance. But here it is.
Mason on March 18, 2010 at 7:56 PM
Buck up Pappy! If he wins this thing it’ll be a Pyrrhic Victory.
If he gets the votes on this – man, it’s gonna be a squeaker and if you look at Democratic trends for supporting Obama’s agenda bills – the trend is negative. He will not have the octane to push anything else before November – and after November – he won’t have a motor in his car any more. Worst case – the outgoing Democrats spit on the American public one last time during a lame duck session in December – but I don’t see it really happening. They’ll be fighting each other openly by that point.
Hate to say this – but if O’Care passes with these toxic tactics – it’s even better news for our side in November. The Democrats actually had a chance to patch things up with Americans and work to change public opinion of their party.
Passing ObamaCare using dueling dubious legislative “Houdini” illusions kills every chance they had of recovery.
We’re talking anger at fever pitch. If they even tried anything else – it’d be open rebellion in the streets.
HondaV65 on March 18, 2010 at 7:57 PM
They are baiting us. This will not stop no matter what it costs at the ballot box and in the streets. Ask yourself what they stand to gain by pissing off the majority of the electorate. They have an end game and are willing to do what it takes to win.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on March 18, 2010 at 8:00 PM
The ones who agree Congress has to get behind “reform”, are not my own.
The ones who propose subsidies instead of mandates, are not my own.
The ones who beg for a bipartisan process for mutual negotiations, are not my own.
The ones who need me to accept, years out, that a Republican majority isn’t going to repeal this, are not my own.
It is meaningless to declare the Democrats are horrible reckless morons, but their handiwork is untouchable. The threat here is not personal– if Obama and Pelosi and Reid died in the same plane crash, and were replaced by like-minded socialists, we’d still be here. The threat is not partisan– if Republicans win the majority, and do nothing to repeal or overturn entitlements, we’ll still be here.
The threat is ideological. It can only be resolved with ideological steadfastness and communication and persuasion.
We need more salesmen and fewer marketers. We need people who are looking to sell America on an agenda rather than anticipate policy trends.
I know you wouldn’t enact my agenda if all Democrats resigned and moved to Cuba–if you had both House and Senate and the Presidency and the White House.
That makes you a political opponent.
Chris_Balsz on March 18, 2010 at 8:01 PM
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Chris_Balsz on March 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Chris_Balsz on March 18, 2010 at 8:01 PM,
Chris! Well said! Bravo!
tigerlily on March 18, 2010 at 9:42 PM
No, there was another motion today to table a GOP demand for an up or down vote, but the roll call was not posted earlier. That was HR Res 1194 and it was approved, 232-181. Voting No were 171 Republicans and 10 Democrats. The other 7 GOP members didn’t vote.
Emperor Norton on March 18, 2010 at 10:41 PM
Come November most will regret this ill advised decision.
TrickyDick on March 19, 2010 at 8:37 AM
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