Obamateurism of the Day

posted at 8:05 am on March 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama tried getting some sales mileage for his ObamaCare bill by using the story of Natoma, an Ohio woman battling cancer. Unfortunately, Obama oversold the story by attempting to make the insurers and providers the bad guys in the story, in part by getting key facts wrong, and in part by getting the math wrong. Let’s start with the math:

She did everything she could to maintain her health insurance that would be there just in case she got sick, because she figured, I didn’t want to be — she didn’t want to be in a position where, if she did get sick, somebody else would have to pick up the tab; that she’d have to go to the emergency room; that the cost would be shifted onto folks through their higher insurance premiums or hospitals charging higher rates. So she tried to do the right thing.
And she upped her deductible last year to the minimum [sic], the highest possible deductible. But despite that, Natoma’s insurance company raised her premiums by more than 25 percent. And over the past year, she paid more than $6,000 in monthly premiums.

AUDIENCE: Boo!

THE PRESIDENT: She paid more than $4,000 in out-of-pocket medical costs, for co-pays and medical care and prescriptions. So all together, this woman paid $10,000 — one year. But because she never hit her deductible, her insurance company only spent $900 on her care. So the insurance company is making — getting $10,000; paying out $900.  Now, what comes in the mail at the end of last year?

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  A bill!

AUDIENCE MEMBER: A rate hike!

THE PRESIDENT: It’s a letter telling Natoma that her premiums would go up again by more than 40 percent.

Was she paying $6,000 a month, or six thousand a year? That makes a pretty big difference.  Obama left the impression that Natoma was paying six thousand dollars in monthly premiums, instead of five hundred dollars a month.   That cost isn’t exactly out of the norm.  In Maine, for instance, the average premium is over $760 per month, which is a bit less than what Natoma’s insurance company wanted to charge her for continuing her insurance after she got sick.  Obama said she was paying six grand a month, which the audience rightly booed, but that would make $76,000 in a year with the deductible, not $10,000. And the reason Maine’s premiums are so expensive?  They imposed mandates on insurers and created a public option (DirigoChoice) that rapidly increased costs to all Maine residents.

And if that wasn’t bad enough, it turns out that Natoma isn’t actually in danger of losing her house either, as Andrew Malcolm explains:

In January, the president said, the woman gave up her health insurance because the premiums had grown too large. And she was filled with worry over the financial burden on her family, especially losing her house.

We have the full presidential passage below about Natoma, whom Obama credited as the reason for his trip to the politically vital state of Ohio, not notoriously high unemployment. “I’m here because of Natoma,” Obama said.

This morning, interim good news. Judson Berger and Marla Chichowski of Fox News checked into the story of Natoma, who is undergoing treatment at the famous Cleveland Clinic. A spokeswoman there said the woman was virtually certain to qualify for aid and, anyway, the clinic has no intention of placing any liens on her home for the expensive care she is now receiving free.

So Natoma is getting treatment, which will be covered by existing programs, and she’s not going to lose her home.  Since Natoma appears to be covered — why do we need to dismantle a system that works for 87% of the rest of the country, too?

Bonus Obamateurism: As one commenter points out below, the insurance company didn’t get $10,000; they got $6,000.  Natoma paid the other $4,000 to her health-care providers.  Deductibles don’t get paid to the insurance company.

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How about where Obama said that Obamacare would reduce employer healthcare costs by 3000%?

Rush did the calculation, and for that to be true, the insurance companies would be, at that rate of reduction, PAYING employers over $100K a year to insure each employee…

wildcat84 on March 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM

why do we need to dismantle a system that works for 87% of the rest of the country, too?

CONTROL…pure and simple

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 8:09 AM

why do we need to dismantle a system that works for 87% of the rest of the country, too?

Because ve vant to control you. You VILL live like ve say you vill live. If you are too fat you vill be forced to loose weight or you vill not get you treatments. If you are old you will only get a pain pill. If you are pregnant you may be forced to get an abortion, or at the ver least you vill pay for somebody else’s abortion.

boomer on March 17, 2010 at 8:13 AM

Math is hard.

Wethal on March 17, 2010 at 8:14 AM

Wow, I just upped my support of Obamacare by 3,000%…/

ted c on March 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM

Psst Ed – 6K/month = 72K/year. Just saying….

beancounter on March 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM

Obamacare puts alot of power in the hands of the HHS Secretary, currently Sebelius. I have a suspicion that as awful as she is, she is just a place holder for someone ever more awful that Obambi plans to replace her with after this disaster passes. I hope I am wrong.

ctmom on March 17, 2010 at 8:16 AM

I’d also like to point out that Obama said it is “the house her parents built”.

When? The family doesn’t own it outright by now?

forest on March 17, 2010 at 8:16 AM

Ghetto math.

Alden Pyle on March 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM

What’s the big deal? I pay a little over $6,000 per year for my insurance too. Over the past few years my wife’s had breast cancer and a perforated duodenal ulcer. I’ve had prostate cancer and surgery on my wrist. We’re both alive and healthy now and our out of pocket expenses have been less than $10,000 to cover all the treatments. Why doesn’t The One come to my town and hold me up as the exact same story as Natoma, except my story is the resounding success of private health insurance.

Trafalgar on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Our insurance went up 40% also. I also live in Ohio. Why did the insurance policies go up 40%? Ohio passed some more regulations that raised the costs.

stephana on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Psst Ed – 6K/month = 72K/year. Just saying….

beancounter on March 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM

$76,000 PLUS $4,000 deductible = $76,000.

Where, exactly do you count beans? I hope it’s not an energy company or a health care insurance company.

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

How dare Fox News fact check a presidential story! That’s as insane as fact-checking an SNL comedy skit!

Okay, wait…Never mind…

This joker is so clueless and lame I’m amazed he found his way to bring two children into the world.

Liam on March 17, 2010 at 8:20 AM

The audience was so wrapped up in the “love”…they would believe anything they heard from the One.

yoda on March 17, 2010 at 8:21 AM

Ghetto Community Agitator math.

Alden Pyle on March 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM

FIFY :o)

Key West Reader on March 17, 2010 at 8:22 AM

Speaking as the husband of a cancer patient, I would very much appreciate it if B.O. would stop convincing me all the more that he is an inconsiderate bastard SOB for using cancer patients as display pieces for his health care plan.

Frankly, it sickens me every time I see this story.

And I am already convinced that he is indeed an inconsiderate bastard SOB anyway.

pilamaye on March 17, 2010 at 8:22 AM

Even the math on what the insurance company is “getting” is wrong. If she paid $6000 to the insurance company and $4000 in out-of-pocket medical expenses, then she only paid $6000 to the insurance company- not $10,000. The out-of-pocket costs were paid to the medical providers, not the insurance company.

So the insurance company paid out $900 on this particular claim after receiving $6000 in premiums, plus they likely paid for regular doctor visits for her and whoever else is covered on her policy.

Marty on March 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM

“Obama left the impression that Natoma was paying six thousand dollars in monthly premiums, instead of five hundred dollars a month. ”

Ed, he didn’t leave the impression. He outright lied. And lied to a base stupid enough to buy this crap, as only someone complete math illiterate could.

bloghooligan on March 17, 2010 at 8:24 AM

I wonder how Natoma will fare with the “death panels.”

apostic on March 17, 2010 at 8:25 AM

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

*blush*

Hope none of my clients see that!

beancounter on March 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM

It’s so bad that even NPR this morning had the story that the Cleveland Clinic is going to keep treating her & won’t put a lien on her house. They also reported on the protests.

Could it be the ObamaCare proponents are recognizing their defeat?

Keep the pressure on. In fact double the pressure. Just say no to ObamaCare.

rbj on March 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM

Sad part is that it’s not like Obama’s winging it. Some WH tool is going and gathering this information. It passes several hands before getting on TOTUS and they STILL can’t get the basic addition correct.

bloghooligan on March 17, 2010 at 8:27 AM

$76,000 PLUS $4,000 deductible = $76,000.

Where, exactly do you count beans? I hope it’s not an energy company or a health care insurance company.

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Sure hope you aren’t one either… $76,000 plus $4000 is $76,000?

rightside on March 17, 2010 at 8:27 AM

I always thought that a basic requirement for Liberalism was a foundation built upon emotion and lack of common sense. Now I’m beginning to believe that stupidity is the number one ingredient required to actually follow that religion.

How freakin dumb is this Obama dude?

Keemo on March 17, 2010 at 8:28 AM

Maybe a multifunction TOTUS is in order…I mean, even cell phones these days come with calculators.

bloghooligan on March 17, 2010 at 8:28 AM

Aw, come on, it’s not what he says, it’s what he means.

And if it sounds totally outrageous to the brilliant audience members, all the better. They would never question his intelligence, much less be able to figure it out on their own.

Bottom line, the insurance companies are pure evil. everyone knows that.

tru2tx on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

Did Barry O’Bama start drinking early in honor of St. Paddy’s Day?

kingsjester on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

How freakin dumb is this Obama dude?

Keemo on March 17, 2010 at 8:28 AM

Go outside and take a look at a rock. Then subtract 20 more IQ points.

That’ll be Obow’s intelligence level.

Liam on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

$76,000 PLUS $4,000 deductible = $76,000.

Where, exactly do you count beans? I hope it’s not an energy company or a health care insurance company.

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Actually I read it as $72,000 PLUS $4,000 deductible = $76,000.

Other than that, I had the same question re the counting of beans.

As to Obama, he will say anything for effect. ANYTHING!

Yoop on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

Liam on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

LOL… :-)

Keemo on March 17, 2010 at 8:35 AM

This is no longer a math problem. It’s a veracity problem. Barry is simply unable to tell the truth about anything.

Barb Dwyer on March 17, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Go outside and take a look at a rock. Then subtract 20 more IQ points.

That’ll be Obow’s intelligence level.

Liam on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

Hey!!! I worked with rocks for 50 years. Rocks have history. Rocks tell stories. Rocks seldom lie.

You insulted rocks. ;-)

Yoop on March 17, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Someone should do a parody of Obama/Democrats giving speeches about healthcare like that Academy Award Winning Movie trailer…

Obama: Scary number, sob story about a sick woman.

Faithful Audience #1: Boo and hiss that scary number, not even going to consider the math in my head.

Faithful Audience #2: Not even going to consider if the sad plight is even a plausible story. I shall just boo and hiss on command.

myrenovations on March 17, 2010 at 8:36 AM

He must hate it when the props don’t cooperate. Not that anyone (media) calls him out on his b.s.

Cindy Munford on March 17, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Just a heads up. It’s early, so forgive all of the spelling & grammar errors.

How does an amateur like myself express in a firm yet precise way what is about to befall us if Obamacare becomes the law of the land? In no uncertain terms, this nation is going to require or need some kind of a renewed birth of freedom if Obamacare is allowed to pass. Are we going to sit on our hands and let these Democrats pass Obamacare?

Who knew that our American liberties would have a shelf life and that shelf life would possibly end on my watch? Reagan did when he said, “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.”

Where are we in handing on the freedom right now? What about this turning over 1/6 of our economy if Obamacare becomes the law of the land? Are we unaware of the potential intrusiveness of government once this becomes law? We’re supposed to be living in a country where you’re free to choose. If Obamcare passes, the government is going to be doing the choosing for your everything eventually. That’s what governments do when you hand over to them the controls of distributing and supplying your health and welfare entitlements. It’s how they roll.

Are we being reckless and negligent of our obligations if Obamacare becomes the law of the land. Won’t Obamacare or an amended version of it down the road of soft tyranny inhibit us from passing the torch of freedom to America’s future generations? Or are we going to persist on with the struggle Reagan was talking about, and continue to fight to protect those once implicitly understood and supposedly impossible to take away safeguarded inalienable rights. It is those same safeguarded inalienable rights that were handed down to us from our very own previous generations.

We need to defeat this monstrosity piece of legislation because it is counterintuitive to the existing laws of the land and existing guidelines setforth by our U.S. Constitution.

KILL THE BILL!

How did our publicly elected officials ever convince enough Americans that our government needed to become this nanny state oriented bureaucratic collosus? For far too long we have seen it drift toward a more socialistic form of government. Is it too late to turn back the tide? I say no it’s still not too late even though it seems that our 111th congress and 44th president can’t hear or see that the American population majority is against them.

It really looks like the only campaign promise Obama is hellbent on keeping is remaking America. Obama really wasn’t giving very elaborate speeches during his run for the presidency or was he very specific about the details of his vision of remaking America. I mean what does Hope and Change really mean? It depends on who is hearing it. Are they only registering or hearing what they wanted to interpret it to mean? Evidently, because he fooled a lot of what used to cosider very smart people. Hope and Change, I guess it could mean anything. It’s too late now, and that water has flowed beneath the bridge. It would have been nice to know about all these Keynsian bullsh!t policies, government growth proposals, interventions in the private sector and in some cases an entire nationalization took place in government acquisition of 2/3rds of a major industry itself.

Well the empty suit was elected and went right to work writing excecutive orders, grandstanding on closing GITMO in one year, giving more teleprompter speeches, international apology tours, screwng up in Honduras, sucking up to Chavez, getting ice cream while innocent Iranians were striving to be free from tyranny, disassembling and destroying the private sector, signing a stimulus package larger than any other in American history calling it a jobs bill when in fact the opposite occurred if you don’t count the growth of jobs suddenly available if you were so inclined or lucky to go work for the government itself. Fail, fail, and failure. Push for a Cap and Trade legislation that barely passes house but is tabled by the Senate till a more opportune time avails untablng it. All this time, in the tween time, and in the mean time, it’s been we must pass HEALTH CARE. We’re in a crisis.

Obama with the help of Reid & Pelosi had delivered up Obamacare. One of the biggest propositions in my lifetime to takeover 1/6 of the American economy. The legislation is thousands of pages long filled with mandates, thou shalt do this, shall do that, fines or promises of jail, ‘Cadillac’Union deals, some very spendy kickbacks for a specific state, and complete buyoffs for others so big that maybe a small 3rd world country could even get started. It’s been a long and bumpy journey although the aforementioned trio wanted it done fast and loose like they did the porkulus stimulus package and make law in July/August of 2009, but this was a whole new kind of animal and nobody knew what was in it or how far it over reached. Anyway, Ted Kennedy Dying in August 2009 did not help Obama and Mass Gov Deval Patrick was called upon to appoint an interim replacement. He did and the saga continued. Well by Thanksgiving of 09′ it barely gained approval was passed by the House of Representatives version, and on Christmas Eve for God’s sake is when the Senate version barely passed with 60 votes. Since that time, Scott Brown was elected U.S. senator by the people of the Commonweath of Massachusetts. The Democrats have been besides themselves ever since. The people of Massachusetts sent a strong message to the leadership in Congress and the White House, we don’t want Obamacare. They’re ignoring the will of the American people. Obamacare in and of itself is for Obama’s presidency to save face now. It doesn’t matter whether it’s going to wreck an already weak economy. Passing Obamacare is now all about one man versus the remainder of the American population. If Obama succeeds, America sinks and falls away. Obamacare is the last straw that broke the camels back. The obamacare legislation in any form was always a Trojan Horse, or an attempt to get the nose of this camel inside of the tent.

At this very moment in time, this government can be brought back from the brink. Yes, I said our government because it still is our government at this very moment. It can still be a freedom loving entity of the people, by the people, for the people. It’s up to us now! If we fail now at this point in history and allow the democrats like Pelosi to kick down the door for Obamacare, we may be looking back to these very days as the good old days because we missed the chance to roll or push this over reaching legislation back. This Obamacare legislation is going to be the beginning of the end of this once great nation and it may perish from the earth if this government health care expansion happens.

Americannodash on March 17, 2010 at 8:37 AM

Obow isn’t the just the worst president in my lifetime. He’s also the most insulting, especially when he sticks his arrogant nose in the air.

He insults my intelligence, and me as a person. He insults me as an American. He insults my religion, my country, and the two children I raised who have become excellent and successful Citizens of the United States.

He insults my two beautiful granddaughters, who will also one day become excellent like their parents.

Obow insults genuine hope. He insults meaningful change for a better future. He insults liberty; he insults true beauty in the universe.

And he still has the nerve to stick his arrogant nose in the air, over which his acolytes get weak in their knees.

I can’t imagine one thing this joker is good for. Where are the libs when I need them? What makes this guy so great in their eyes, when he’s nothing more than an insult to everything he touches and even speaks about?

Liam on March 17, 2010 at 8:41 AM

You can always tell you are getting scammed when the dems open their mouths trot out children to pass ill-conceived legislation.

This has never been about health care, it’s about POWER. The sooner we remove their ability to tax us, the better off this country will be.

rightside on March 17, 2010 at 8:42 AM

You insulted rocks. ;-)

Yoop on March 17, 2010 at 8:36 AM

LOL

Hey, Friend! I subtracted 20 more IQ points to get to Obow!

C? Eye new what eye wuz dooin!

Liam on March 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM

Didn’t anyone learn anything from Hillary parading people infront of the cameras in the 90″s? Maybe we should “fact check” the story of the dentures and dingy Harry’s story too. We ALL know that these morons have no problem doing and saying anything to get the votes they need to pass this POS! I would ask do they have no shame but, we all know the answer.

BURN THE PHONE LINES PEOPLE…WE STILL HAVE TIME!!!!!

milwife88 on March 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM

I honestly believe that this attempt to grab the health care market is a crass and misguided attempt to cover the imminent failure of Medicare until after Obama is done with his two terms (since he thinks he will be re-elected). The government is already cutting Medicare payments to doctors and facilities because of the costs. If they can get the premiums paid by the more healthy people they might be able to offset the costs of the elderly and hide the problem with the Medicare system until they can blame a Republican President for it all.

Hawthorne on March 17, 2010 at 8:45 AM

Holy Moly!

If her premiums are $76,000 and it is reduced by 3000%, won’t that mean that after O-care passes the insurance company will be paying her $2,204,000 a year?!?!?!

No wonder she wants O-care to pass!

Joe Caps on March 17, 2010 at 8:46 AM

rightside on March 17, 2010 at 8:27 AM

Yoop on March 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM

Well DANG! I can’t think of any excuse for me except poor typing skills and an overeager attitude. Will you accept that as an excuse?
.
Oh, what the heck, I screwed up by not proof-reading.

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Wow, for a guy who wants to take over the entire health insurance industry, he sure doesn’t understand it very well.

DrStock on March 17, 2010 at 8:48 AM

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Happens to all of us. IMHO..it’s WAY too early for math anyway. More coffee please! :o)

milwife88 on March 17, 2010 at 8:48 AM

Despots lie to their victims.

Akzed on March 17, 2010 at 8:49 AM

Obama’s constant straw men were bad enough. Now he’s using straw numbers! Arrgghh! As a mathematician I take personal offense.

jwolf on March 17, 2010 at 8:49 AM

THE PRECEDENT: She paid more than $4,000 in out-of-pocket medical costs, for co-pays and medical care and prescriptions. So all together, this woman paid $10,000 — one year. But because she never hit her deductible, her insurance company only spent $900 on her care. So the insurance company is making — getting $10,000; paying out $900. Now, what comes in the mail at the end of last year?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Bread!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Apples!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Very small rocks!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Cider!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Great gravy!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Cherries!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Mud!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Churches — churches!
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Lead — lead!

SEIU THUG: A duck.

CROWD: Oooh.

THE PRECEDENT: Exactly! So, logically…,

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 8:49 AM

No wonder O hasn’t released his grades. Did he even take Math?

Beaglemom on March 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM

No wonder O hasn’t released his grades. Did he even take Math?

Beaglemom on March 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Probably not. And just wait until people see his SATs – if they ever do. I can guarantee you that the retard scored no higher than 390 on his math section.

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 8:53 AM

ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:47 AM

I’ve had to *PIMF* many times! lol

Your mind thinks one thing, and your fingers type something else!

rightside on March 17, 2010 at 8:54 AM

All evidence to the contrary, the President is “brilliant”.

Doesn’t matter what he says, does or is.

He’s brilliant because we’re constantly told that he is.

Just like Miller Lite “tastes great”.

It does because they say it does.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Speaking as the husband of a cancer patient, I would very much appreciate it if B.O. would stop convincing me all the more that he is an inconsiderate bastard SOB for using cancer patients as display pieces for his health care plan.
Frankly, it sickens me every time I see this story.
And I am already convinced that he is indeed an inconsiderate bastard SOB anyway.

pilamaye on March 17, 2010

To Ob+ama, we are not citizens, we are subjects. As such it is not improper to use any of us, even cancer patients, as props in his fascist theater. You would know that if you could see past your commoner status.

Extrafishy on March 17, 2010 at 8:56 AM

President Obama was so impressed with the Democrats sob stories at the Summit, (which took up 90% of the conversation), he just had to show these folks that he’s the King of SOB stories. It appears here that Obama’s still working on that 3000% mathematics principal.

Rovin on March 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Blue Cross got 6K
And paid out 900 Bucks.
The rest is the risk.

Not everybody
Gets more out than they pay in.
Not a bank account.

It is insurance.
You pay a small amount
Against large losses.

Most folks pay more in
Than is paid out for their care,
A few get much more.

That is by design.
That is what insurance does.
A child should know this.

Haiku Guy on March 17, 2010 at 9:08 AM

BO: its not my fault I got it wrong, I’m just reading what was written up on the uhhhhhh, the thing up on the…..uh, alright alright I can’t hear myself now, uh, the teleprompter thingy.

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 9:09 AM

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 8:49 AM

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

DrSteve on March 17, 2010 at 9:10 AM

As an example, medical insurance for my family, once you count our portion and what our employers pay, costs more than $26,000 a year. In any given year, our family might spend $5,000 on various procedures and check-ups, because we are basically healthy. The year my first daughter was born, we wound up spending twice that, but every other year has been a “loser”.

But if I get a grim diagnosis tomorrow, my expenses will be paid (less the deductible). I will not face financial ruin. My family will stay in the family home. That is what insurance is for, and that is why I am happy to pay that bill, year after year.

Would I rather have a new car in the driveway? Of course I would! But that car will only hold so much of our stuff if we wind up thrown out of the house because of a crushing medical bill. So you pay the insurance.

And, if Obamacare passes, you will wind up paying a lot more for insurance. Government never makes things cheaper or more efficient. Never.

Haiku Guy on March 17, 2010 at 9:15 AM

BTW… 3000% discount is the OOTW. There can be no other…

Haiku Guy on March 17, 2010 at 9:16 AM

BTW… 3000% discount is the OOTW. There can be no other…

Haiku Guy on March 17, 2010 at 9:16 AM

It’s only Wednesday. He can top that. Give him time.

jwolf on March 17, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

DrSteve on March 17, 2010 at 9:10 AM

I am Fart-hur, King of the Briton’s calamity of a medical system.

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Why does anyone listen to this clown? He’s Slow Joe Biden times 10.

RobertE on March 17, 2010 at 9:25 AM

This is no longer a math problem. It’s a veracity problem. Barry is simply unable to tell the truth about anything.

Barb Dwyer

Racist. This is simply a matter of interpreting the essence of what the truth might be if the truth were what we wanted it to be instead of what it actually is. Don’t you get it?

Crusader Rabbit on March 17, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Those of us who can do basic math didn’t vote for Barackbar.

thomasaur on March 17, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Keep making speeches, Barry, keep digging. This guy knows nothing about insurance, car or health, and just sounds convincing. Too bad his audience is so enraptured they don’t question what he says.

Kissmygrits on March 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Racist. This is simply a matter of interpreting the essence of what the truth might be if the truth were what we wanted it to be instead of what it actually is. Don’t you get it?

Crusader Rabbit on March 17, 2010 at 9:27 AM

No thank you. Now, I have and official headache. COFFEE STAT!

Blacksmith8 on March 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Martha MacCallum just mentioned The Precedent’s super-retarded “reduce premiums by 3000%”, noting that the White House has finally explained that the retard-in-chief meant $3000. But neither Martha nor John Kyl could manage to ask the audience, rhetorically, what sort of person is so stupid as to not immediately realize that saying that ‘premiums will be reduced by 3000%’ is just wrong. I am frustrated at the fact that people are actively hiding the extreme stupidity of The Precedent – and that includes allahpundit, who has maintained, to this day, that The Precedent has a brain in his affirmative action head.

The GOP had better get their heads out of their azzes and start talking about the great risk this nation faces when we have a total imbecile in the White House, who is as nasty and despicable as anyone this nation has ever seen in charge of the Executive, and who is looking to do nothing but exact revenge on smart, competent people for being smart and competent.

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 9:44 AM

In January, the president said, the woman gave up her health insurance because the premiums had grown too large. And she was filled with worry over the financial burden on her family, especially losing her house.

Under ObamaCare, Natoma would have been fined or jailed for failing to carry health insurance.

year_of_the_dingo on March 17, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Is this why the education bill has been added on to the health bill?? It looks like the government will revise the ability to add and subtract.

mobydutch on March 17, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Barry Odemagogue knows exactly what he’s doing. He wanted to leave the $6,000 premium per month b.s. in there to get his boo line. He is a rotten-to-the-core scumbag.

Western_Civ on March 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Deductibles don’t get paid to the insurance company.

But that’s the way these people think, Ed.

Not having to pay for something they think you should pay for is the same thing as getting something. This is the same mentality that casues them to see tax cuts as spending.

Bobbertsan on March 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Frankly, I don’t think this is an Obamateurism because Obama cannot do math. I think this is an Obamateurism because President Obama does not appear to understand how insurance works, yet is pushing to take over the Health insurance industry. I know that sounds like an incredible statement, but think about his analogy at the “Health Care Summit” about his car accident. He didn’t seem to understand the difference between “liability only” coverage and “full coverage.” (not to mention that he said he was rear ended, yet had to pay to fix his own car–that was rather strange, so I wonder how the accident happened).

Conservative in NOVA on March 17, 2010 at 10:32 AM

President Obama does not appear to understand how insurance works…

Conservative in NOVA on March 17, 2010 at 10:32 AM

I believe you are right on the money. To Obama, insurance is like a fairy godmother. They are supposed to take care of every problem you have, and they have a magic and inexhaustible source of funds to do this.

jwolf on March 17, 2010 at 10:43 AM

So she tried to do the right thing.
And she upped her deductible last year to the minimum [sic], the highest possible deductible.

Are we going to trust 1/6 of our economy to a man who doesn’t know the difference between a minimum and a maximum?

And over the past year, she paid more than $6,000 in monthly premiums.

Over the past year, her anguished heart beat 37 million times worrying about her monthly premiums. Over a long enough time period, you can big numbers for anything.

Steve Z on March 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Barry NEVER lets facts get in the way of a good story.

GarandFan on March 17, 2010 at 10:55 AM

“Your employers, it is estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as three thousand percent, which means they could give you a raise.” – Obama

“Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.” – Pelosi

Huked on maffuhmatiks werckt fohr me!

Left Coast Right Mind on March 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Ghetto Affirmative action math.

Alden Pyle on March 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM

Fixed

ya2daup on March 17, 2010 at 11:05 AM

I am soooo stoked to have written this macro:

Can you imagine if Bush had said/done this?!?!?!?

jukin on March 17, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Heh!
The rats in Washington are using people for their health care experiments.
Where are the people’s rights activists?

Cybergeezer on March 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM


why do we need to dismantle a system that works for 87% of the rest of the country, too?

Because it’s NOT FAIR. We all need to strive for the lowest common denominator. Comrade O demands it!

n0doz on March 17, 2010 at 12:03 PM

To reiterate what a few posters have pointed out – this is insurance against risk, not a health savings account. Gosh, I actually feel lucky that I have not had a major home/car/heath/life catastrophe. But according to Obama I am getting screwed by my insurance providers because I am well under water if you look at premiums paid vs. claims collected.

The only conclusion I have is that these people are idiots as to the true purpose of insurance or that they are fundamentally dishonest.

TexAz on March 17, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Saying “$6000 in monthly premiums” is not the same as saying “$6000 a month in premiums.” There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the way Obama constructed that sentence. Anybody who reads that as $6000/month has comprehension problems that aren’t of Obama’s making.

This is the second Obamateurism that’s really a problem with comprehension on the selector’s part, that I’ve seen. Sad.

PantsDailyon on March 17, 2010 at 12:14 PM

So, let me get this straight …

The President says that a surgeon (who he thinks is the primary care physician for diabetic patients) gets $30-50,000 for an amputation required in part by lackadasical care of that doctor. Yet, he also thinks that a woman gets a year of cancer treatment, including medications for only $10,900 total cost, specifically $6,000 premiums, $4,000 out of pocket costs and $900 covered by insurance. (NB – I’m not using any presidential math in this comment, only presidential figures.) Further, this leads the President to believe that the insurance company pocketed a net of $5,100 ($6,000 premiums less $900 in payouts).

Really? A year of doctor visits to oncologists, possible other specialists, tests, treatments, medications (expensive cancer treatment medications – are there any other kind?), followups and what else for only $10,900? That’s one heck of a hospital. Sign me up for it. In reality, though, I have to think that the total cost was a multiple of times more expensive, and that the insurance company didn’t come out ahead by even a penny in this case.

Now, what I really would like to know is, were there any surgeries involved in that $10,900?

A
s a minor point, it seems from the clip that Obama was wingin’ it again from the podium, and not following TOTUS. It seems to me he has a serious problem track record of making wildly farcical statements when speaking off the cuff going well back into his presidential campaign days, or, put another way, ever since I first saw him speak in public.

parke on March 17, 2010 at 12:18 PM

So Natoma is getting treatment, which will be covered by existing programs, and she’s not going to lose her home. Since Natoma appears to be covered — why do we need to dismantle a system that works for 87% of the rest of the country, too?
Bonus Obamateurism: As one commenter points out below, the insurance company didn’t get $10,000; they got $6,000. Natoma paid the other $4,000 to her health-care providers. Deductibles don’t get paid to the insurance company.

I’d heard more about this yesterday. What’s especially reprehensible about this is….Natoma’s sister came and sat in for her at the podium, while Obama spoke, and they all knew the circumstances. That Natoma was not going to lose her home, and that she was recieving care. How’s that for a kick in the head?!!!

As for Obama….lies, lies, and more lies. He knows squat about basic math, and obviously has never dealt with his own insurance before…as anyone would know….the deductibles go toward the health care….not the insurance company. IDIOT!!!

capejasmine on March 17, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Obama is an ignorant idiot trying to revamp an industry he knows nothing about!

Obama is the ultimate afimitive action hire…

CCRWM on March 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

$76,000 PLUS $4,000 deductible = $76,000.
Where, exactly do you count beans? I hope it’s not an energy company or a health care insurance company.
ExpressoBold on March 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Put down the coffee!
Hope your job isn’t based on reading comprehension.

“she paid more than $6,000 in monthly premiums”.

You don’t pay a deductible to the insurance co.

As the President said this was her “premiums” and ONLY her “premiums”.

The President is “suggesting” she was paying $6K a month, but obviously that’s not true.

If the President wanted to be clear, honest and not give a false impression, he would have said her monthly premium was $500.00 per month.

The President is not clear if this $500.00 per month is for her ONLY or her AND her family.

The President said her insurance company only spent $900 on her care, yet provides nothing to back this up.

Ill go out on a limb and claim this is a lie.

DSchoen on March 17, 2010 at 2:21 PM

So the health care system needs to be revamped because one person paid $6,000 in premiums and the insurance company only covered $900 in expenses, netting themselves $5,100, yet ObamaCare will force untold number of healthy people to buy unwanted insurance, each paying theoretically $6,000 in premiums and not getting anything in return because they are not sick.

And lets not forget everyone will start paying immediately and not see any benefits until two years later.

Yeah…. that seems fair. (/sarc)

AverageJoe on March 17, 2010 at 3:15 PM