Kent Conrad to House Dems: Yep, reconciliation in the Senate will be pretty darned dodgy

posted at 6:31 pm on March 17, 2010 by Allahpundit

The exact opposite of what Obama and Pelosi wanted to hear while they’re trying to reassure fencesitters that Reid’s going to get this done. Between this and the rumored CBO score, I half-believe they’re actually trying to kill this thing at this point. What’s next? A memo from Obama’s pollster confirming that voting yes means political suicide?

The ways of Democrats are mysterious things, my friends.

Today, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND)–chair of the Senate Budget Committee–didn’t provide them much peace of mind.

Conrad addressed a meeting of Senate Democrats to explain the reconciliation process to them. On his way out, I and several other reporters caught up with him. I asked whether the package being assembled by House and Senate Democrats will survive the Byrd rule, which requires a reconciliation bill to amend tax or entitlement law, without increasing the deficit.

“We haven’t finished the process of going through things that are Byrd-able,” Conrad said.

“Is it a close call on some of them?” I asked.

“Oh yeah,” Conrad said.

Reid’s latest gambit to comfort panicky House Dems is to circulate a letter signed by Senate Democrats assuring them that he has the votes to pass the fix. Except … that’s not what the letter says.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) indicated that the letter is a general expression of support for health care reform.

“We talked about showing strong support for the House as they move forward,” Klobuchar said of expected House votes this week. “But there wasn’t a discussion about doing a letter that specifically says we will vote for reconciliation when we haven’t seen the bill. But a letter showing that we were generally supportive of moving forward on health care, we thought that that would be helpful.”

We’re down to the wire on the biggest domestic-policy vote in the House in decades, with a very real possibility that it’ll be decided by a single ballot, and Reid still can’t find 51 senators willing to help Pelosi by promising they’ll pass whatever’s in the reconciliation bill?

Hoyer has now pushed the target date for a floor vote to Sunday. Fearless prediction: We’ll have a pretty good sense by tomorrow, after the CBO numbers drop, whether this is going to pass or fail.


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BAIER: Demon passed, Senate reconciliation and we don’t know exactly what’s in the fix bill. Do you still think —

OBAMA: No, we will — by the time the vote has taken place, not only I will know what’s in it, you’ll know what’s in it because it’s going to be posted and everybody’s going to be able to able to evaluate it on the merits.

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Sorry, LINK

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

OT Breaking:

Idaho first to sign law against health care reform

Idaho Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter on Wednesday became the first state chief executive to sign a measure requiring his attorney general to sue Congress if it passes health reforms that force residents to buy insurance. Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states nationwide.

Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Barry is not having a good day. Is he going to cancel his big trip again?

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Obama and his congressional enablers have destroyed any remnants of a government by consent of the people. Government takeovers of industry and production coupled with the elimination of free choice and democratic action have already turned this country into a quasi Marxist/fascist state without legitimate recourse for dissenters. The United States of America that we once knew is no more. Sad but true.

rplat on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Kent Conrad to House Dems: Yep, reconciliation in the Senate will be pretty darned dodgy

House dems know this and they don’t care. They don’t expect any reconciliation to go through. They just want to get this humungous first step – the Senate bill – into law, no matter how illegally they have to do it and they’ll be happy with that.

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

pseudonominus on March 17, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Hoyer has now pushed the target date for a floor vote to Sunday. Fearless prediction: We’ll have a pretty good sense by tomorrow, after the CBO numbers drop, whether this is going to pass or fail.

Where are those CBO numbers? They were supposed to show up today. I have a feeling things a being tweaked right now. I’d hate to work at the CBO…unless they pay overtime.

AUINSC on March 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM

BAIER: And you call this deficit neutral, but you also set aside the doctor fix, more than $200 billion. People look at this and say, how can it be deficit neutral?

OBAMA: But the — as you well know, the doctors problem, as you mentioned, the “doctors fix,” is one that has been there four years now. That wasn’t of our making, and that has nothing to do with my health care bill. If I was not proposing a health care bill, right — let’s assume that I had never proposed health care.

Booosh did it. /BS

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Are we still a first world nation?
no- seriously?

abobo on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Now, THAT is great news!

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

I think this is going to fail… the question now is what to the Dems pivot to? And will we end up with a smaller health care reform package…

ninjapirate on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

As I said before, this is the political equivalent of Norman Bates’ mother.
Scary until you realize it is dead.

Vashta.Nerada on March 17, 2010 at 6:39 PM

But a letter showing that we were generally supportive of moving forward on health care, we thought that that would be helpful

Oh yeah – if I was a House Dem counting on the Senate going along with the “fixes” the House voted for, a letter like that would really give me comfort. /s

katiejane on March 17, 2010 at 6:39 PM

ninjapirate on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Hard pivot to jobs! Hahahahah, just kidding, it’ll be amnesty and Cap and Tax.

AUINSC on March 17, 2010 at 6:39 PM

don’t want to count chickens yet, but I’m feeling hopeful

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 6:39 PM

AUINSC on March 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM

No CBO numbers until tomorrow, per Fox news.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:40 PM

OBAMA-The ideas embodied in this legislation are not left, they’re not right, they are — they are —

The TOTUS is stuck, Reboot!

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I think this is going to fail…

ninjapirate on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

I hope so. I think the junta lost ground with that pathetic interview the Indonesian Imbecile just did. It could not have been heartening to anyone looking to The Precedent for support, wavering towards a “yes” vote, to watch him get ripped to shreds like that.

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 6:42 PM

No CBO numbers until tomorrow, per Fox news.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:40 PM

That means their bad, and the slaughter house rule is invoked

ConservativePartyNow on March 17, 2010 at 6:42 PM

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Ah, ok…they keep pushing the vote back. Well, it’s Wednesday already and they still don’t have it. I’m feeling more optimistic.

AUINSC on March 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Time to deem unicorns for everyone…

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM

And if the CBO numbers are bad…

Mary Shannon and Marshall Marshall are ready to take the CBO dudes into protective custody, right?

Less on March 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM

No CBO numbers until Tomorrow? I thought they were already done. My guess is they were over a trillion, and Obama and his ilk are trying to pare it down. My question is aren’t they supposedly voting on the Senate bill as is? Wouldn’t changes make them have to re-vote.I’m so confused!

sandee on March 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM

CBO numbers must be ugly. LOL!

at some point all the lies and accounting gimmicks don’t work without torpedoing the myriad corrupt deals they have made to buy votes.

elduende on March 17, 2010 at 6:45 PM

The CBO may be non-partisan, but you have to know there’s some VERY serious wheeling and dealing going on right now if they’ve had to postpone the report.

Ohhhhh, to be a fly on the wall!

GoldenEagle4444 on March 17, 2010 at 6:46 PM

OT Breaking:Idaho first to sign law against health care reform Idaho Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter on Wednesday became the first state chief executive to sign a measure requiring his attorney general to sue Congress if it passes health reforms that force residents to buy insurance. Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states nationwide. Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Idaho is where I live now and I am excited about this.

Electrongod on March 17, 2010 at 6:47 PM

No CBO numbers until Tomorrow? I thought they were already done. My guess is they were over a trillion, and Obama and his ilk are trying to pare it down. My question is aren’t they supposedly voting on the Senate bill as is? Wouldn’t changes make them have to re-vote.I’m so confused!

sandee on March 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM

CBO numbers are for the Senate bill + changes being crafted for the reconciliation bill. And yes, they’re bad.

But don’t worry your pretty little head… they’re currently tweaking the numbers and pushing off giving out benefits another year to make the numbers come up perfect.

Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Why would the Senate want to change their own bill. They won’t, they got what they want. They are setting up the house to take the fall. Boy come Nov a lot of house dems will be ticked cause the Senate will pivot to crap and tax next.

Brat4life on March 17, 2010 at 6:48 PM

I think the junta lost ground with that pathetic interview the Indonesian Imbecile just did.
neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 6:42 PM

If this fails, you have to know that Fox and Bret Baier will be blamed for beating up on Barry.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM

If this fails, you have to know that Fox and Bret Baier will be blamed for beating up on Barry.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM

I personally will send Bret Baier a box of brownies.

Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Not enough Dems are willing to lose their jobs for this. It won’t become law.

CWforFreedom on March 17, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Sorry, but VA beat Idaho to this by a few days. Our AG has been working on this since the election in Nov. Welcome aboard. We aren’t going to take this crap. I hope the rest of the states get going on this soon.

BetseyRoss on March 17, 2010 at 6:52 PM

If they have the benefits kick in after 2016, CBO will make it all better.

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM

The White House is certainly going to assault Fox for everything and anything. And, if this goes down (as I’m getting more optimistic about, since that interview) Fox will be hit with all sorts of underhanded attacks and lies from 1600 Pennsylvania.

neurosculptor on March 17, 2010 at 6:53 PM

betseyross: I was just going to post that Virginia is trying to apologize to the nation by going for Bambi so our General Assembly already passed a law making govt mandates for health ins. illegal in the Commonwealth.

there are others states, too.

kelley in virginia on March 17, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Fearless prediction: We’ll have a pretty good sense by tomorrow, after the CBO numbers drop, whether this is going to pass or fail.

Don’t hold your breath.

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Where are those CBO numbers? They were supposed to show up today. I have a feeling things a being tweaked right now. I’d hate to work at the CBO…unless they pay overtime.

AUINSC on March 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM

They are currently looking into faulty calculators being used by CBO.

The darn things kept saying 1 + 1 = 2.

fogw on March 17, 2010 at 6:54 PM

what did Bambi say all slimy about helping the states pay what the states have to pay for? (medicaid?). so on top of trimming medicare & sending many of those poor over to Medicaid where the states must fund, Bambi now says the Fed will cover that cost, too?

my Gawd, does the Fed NOT cover something in this bill?

kelley in virginia on March 17, 2010 at 6:55 PM

The arrogance of this man is unbelievable.I am beginning to think he does consider himself the Messiah.His handlers are going to catch hell for this interview. No cocktails tonight.

sandee on March 17, 2010 at 6:56 PM

“We saw the CBO numbers which said the overall cost would be over a trillion dollars, so we decided to deem the total at only 500 billion. Now on to the vote.”

-’Rats

Bishop on March 17, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Can someone tell me who that a**clown is in the photo that looks like Captain Kangaroo?

Jim-Rose on March 17, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Great for Idaho!!

More informaiton on the rapidly growing movement by the states to reclaim their 10th Amendment powers an dput the federal government back in its limited government role can be found at the great blog, the 10th Amendment Center. Read. Post. Share. Enjoy.

DerKrieger on March 17, 2010 at 6:58 PM

But there wasn’t a discussion about doing a letter that specifically says we will vote for reconciliation when we haven’t seen the bill

kind of hard , since it does not exist

runner on March 17, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Kent Conrad to House Dims:

Get used to it.

BigWyo on March 17, 2010 at 6:59 PM

But a letter showing that we were generally supportive of moving forward on health care, we thought that that would be helpful.

In other words, “Don’t make us look like idiots, you morons.”

Is Nightline going to have a running tally of the number of days The One is being held hostage waiting for the slaughter house?

pedestrian on March 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM

I personally will send Bret Baier a box of brownies.

Enoxo on March 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Once a week for the rest of his life

gophergirl on March 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Dodge all you want losers.

The Cuda and the rest of the USA is gonna kill it.

Sapwolf on March 17, 2010 at 7:01 PM

there are others states, too.
kelley in virginia on March 17, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Gatewaypundit is reporting that Idaho just passed a law outlawing individual mandates, making them the first state in the nation to actually sign such a bill into law. Constitutionally it might not stand, but the state’s revolt against Obamacare is off to a flying start.

joejm65 on March 17, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Ruh Roh…

Ingrid Martin Channels Joe the Plumber, Debates Obama After Health Speech.

LINK

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 7:03 PM

at some point, the Supremes will have to address this Bambicare issue. I doubt they will rule on the Slaughterization of the vote reqmt, but maybe the mandate reqmt.

kelley in virginia on March 17, 2010 at 7:18 PM

Gotta love a governor named Butch.

angryed on March 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM

AP is killing me. One second it’s a done deal, the next it’s dead until the next minute when it’s GULP it’s a done deal again. Only to be Duded or Hmmmmmed back to the grave 2 seconds after that.

You bastard!

angryed on March 17, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Obama looked really really pissed today on Fox. The news behind the scenes must be grim for the little commies.

Chuck Schick on March 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Putting this in the Supreme Court makes me very, very, nervous. Four of the nine are certifiably insane and the swing vote is never a sure thing.

I just pray that the mandate requirement is the one that everyone focuses on.

For some reason this evening is the first time I have let my inner Eeyore out and am feeling a little more positive that this thing won’t become law. There just have to be more than a few Dems that aren’t willing to commit political suicide. This administration is showing its pure unadulterated grasp on America’s throat and a few are beginning to come alive and fight.

BetseyRoss on March 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM

I think this is going to fail… the question now is what to the Dems pivot to? And will we end up with a smaller health care reform package…

ninjapirate on March 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM

My guess will be cap, and trade. One way, or the other, they’re going to render us all bankrupt, and destitute.

capejasmine on March 17, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Two words.
Bait And Switch.

Mr. Arrogant on March 17, 2010 at 7:38 PM

There is going to be a big amnesty parade in DC this Sunday. Should be a wonderful day to be a Dem Congressman.

Wethal on March 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM

We deem that Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Wethal on March 17, 2010 at 8:09 PM

As I said before, this is the political equivalent of Norman Bates’ mother.
Scary until you realize it is dead.

Zombies are dead too, but look what THEY can do to you.

N. O'Brain on March 17, 2010 at 10:09 PM

What happens if the Senate decides to take their ball and go home? There will be no “fixes” to the law that BHO will sign. It will be the law of the land and Pelosi will be toast. The Democrat Party will devour itself before our eyes, and I need to get some popcorn for the coming show, rated TV-MA, Violence and Language.

Pelayo on March 17, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Barry is not having a good day. Is he going to cancel his big trip again?

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Well, I think they need to get on with it and pass this thing. Criminy, Barry has been so embroiled in this measure that saves/creates/spreads _______________ (insert current crisis here) he hasn’t had a chance to go abroad and kiss anyone’s ass in months. Have we forgotten about his pledge to restore our standing in the world, by bending over at the waist to anyone who approaches wearing a suit who doesn’t look like the people on our dollar bill ($.73 Euro)? There’s a real enthusiastic homecoming waiting for him in Indonesia . . . pitctures of him on banners, streets teeming with rioting cheering students . . . the list goes on. And since we haven’t managed to piss off the Australians (yet), time’s a-wastin’!

tpitman on March 18, 2010 at 7:01 AM

Hard pivot to jobs!

AUINSC on March 17, 2010 at 6:39 PM

They already did that. The $17B bill signed yesterday is going to fix everything.

I believe that because I believe everything Barry says.

/end kool-aid drinker mode

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 9:38 AM

My guess is they were over a trillion, and Obama and his ilk are trying to pare it down.

sandee on March 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM

How can they do that without taking back some of their bribes?

MarkTheGreat on March 18, 2010 at 9:41 AM