AP fact check: Premiums will rise under ObamaCare

posted at 12:55 pm on March 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama has gotten bolder in his sales pitch for ObamaCare over the last couple of weeks.  While earlier he kept his fiscal promises as non-specific as possible, generally talking about “bending cost curves” rather than relating it to individual effects, lately he has pledged that his signature agenda item will lower health-care premiums for Americans.  The Associated Press calls shenanigans today in a fact check:

Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but check the fine print.

Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases would level off with time. But don’t look for a rollback. Instead, the main reason premiums would be more affordable is that new government tax credits would help cover the cost for millions of people.

Listening to Obama pitch his plan, you might not realize that’s how it works.

Well, listening to Obama pitch his plan, people may not realize how math works.  Obama insisted that his plan would lower premiums by “3,000 percent,” which the White House later adjusted to three thousand dollars. But that’s far off the mark, as the AP informs its readers:

An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office of earlier Senate legislation suggested savings could be fairly modest.

It found that large employers would see premium savings of at most 3 percent compared with what their costs would have been without the legislation. That would be more like a few hundred dollars instead of several thousand. …

The budget office concluded that premiums for people buying their own coverage would go up by an average of 10 percent to 13 percent, compared with the levels they’d reach without the legislation. That’s mainly because policies in the individual insurance market would provide more comprehensive benefits than they do today.

The AP misses the point here just a bit, although overall this is a good report.  The insurance policies of the future under ObamaCare would provide more comprehensive benefits, but that’s because ObamaCare would outlaw more modest plans.  The federal mandates of ObamaCare would mean that healthy people would no longer have the choice of low-cost, high-deductible plans that encourage direct spending on routine medical issues, the exact kind of policies that real reform would emphasize.  Obama and the Democrats want to force young, healthy people into committing more money into risk pools in order to keep premium increases down for others — in essence, subsidizing medical care for older, higher-risk pool members.

Obama is flat-out lying about lowering premiums, as the CBO made plain last November.  Not only will premiums continue to increase, they will rise faster under ObamaCare than otherwise, while forcing people into plans they don’t need.  And note that the people who will pay the higher premiums are those who are already under more financial pressure than most — the people who have to buy their coverage as individuals.  Aren’t these the folks that Obama purports to help?


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Great! When you come down with terminal illness, see your plumber.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Knucklehead:Oh boy,gives the meaning,know your plumbing,
ahem!:)

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM

kam582 on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

It’s mean-spirited for us to expect Barry to string two coherent words together, when the left was so nice to President Bush.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM

I’m just shocked that the AP is fact checking the messiah. Color me stupefied!!!!

conservnut on March 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM

If you could get a prescription without going to the doctor and the prescription had deleterious side effects, who would you sue? The pharmacist? The manufacturer?

If you leave out the doctors you remove another level of protection. IMO.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

I must admit, I simply never thought of birth control in terms of whom I could sue.

That’s a new concept for me.

I did see it and still do as an unnecessary “doctor visit,” which has helped propel healthcare costs in our country.

The one thing I’m annoyed by in this discussion?

Doctors aren’t discussing cost reduction methods with a smidge of honesty.

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Great! When you come down with terminal illness, see your plumber.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Yep — no reason that we couldn’t use RotoRooter to treat colon cancer, right?

Mr. D on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

If you can’t make a lot of money doing it – who would subject themselves to the years of hard work and abuse that doctors do? The idea that we can pay doctors some kind of gov’t salary – even say $150k a year – and that top level people will still subject themselves to the hardship and rigours of becoming a doctor (not to mention a specialist) is pure fantasy. There may be a few who would do it purely for altruistic reasons, but the qauality and quantity of available doctors would diminish significantly – thus causing a decline in the quantity and quality of health care available to americans.

But, I believe that is a feature, not a bug.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

He misspoke. He meant, 3000 dollars.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Even that’s an out right lie.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

I think Anninthe can needs her pipes cleaned.

thomasaur on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

the people who really earn their money and probably deserven more?

Plumbers and electricians.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Oh yeah, they NEVER overcharge.

The plumber who spent ten minutes at the condo I own in DC and charged me $400, he should have charged me more!

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

Hello. That’s controlling.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

It’s called controlling medication that has side affects, like stroke. Ask my friend who had a stroke at 32 due to birth control pills and smoking.

You want birth control without an appointment with your doctor? Buy condoms.

ladyingray on March 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Looks pretty ridiculous written out, doesn’t it?

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Actually, that was pretty awesome written out.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Remember this? Choose “NO” on Employer Coverage Available ’cause the Senate Bill makes it cheaper for your employer to dump health insurance all together.

txhsmom on March 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM

I got through one of the numbers that Rush gave out 877-762-8762. It will ring for a long time and then an operator will come on. Be prepared to tell her who you want to talk to.

The other number is 202-224-3121.

yoda on March 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Obama is flat-out lying about lowering premiums, as the CBO made plain last November. Not only will premiums continue to increase, they will rise faster under ObamaCare than otherwise, while forcing people into plans they don’t need. And note that the people who will pay the higher premiums are those who are already under more financial pressure than most — the people who have to buy their coverage as individuals. Aren’t these the folks that Obama purports to help?

Yup, and if some of the idiots that believe in this, would wake up…they’d see it too. This is NOT about health care. It’s a complete power grab, and takeover of our country. To bad they won’t realize it, until it’s to late.

capejasmine on March 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM

You want birth control without an appointment with your doctor? Buy condoms.

ladyingray on March 17, 2010 at 1:27 PM

+1

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM

You want birth control without an appointment with your doctor? Buy condoms.

keep your legs closed works pretty well.

daesleeper on March 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM

It’s time for the governors of the 38 states that have reaffirmed the 10th amendment, to be somewhat less vague and more verbal regarding this shredding of the Constitution, and possible consequences thereof.

If you’re getting busy signals calling congress, might try your governor’s office.

Rebar on March 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM

OK, so you guys go along with your doctors and continue to put them on a pedestal.

I think a lot of them are mostly interested in personal wealth.

Not your health.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

This is where I veer liberal. They aren’t Gods. They aren’t entitled to extreme wealth, either.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Yes we know Ann. In your world, nobody is allowed to have more than you do.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

I did see it and still do as an unnecessary “doctor visit,” which has helped propel healthcare costs in our country.

Again, it is the government, not doctors, who decide what drugs require a prescription. Your fix appears to be to give the government more control over medical care, which is completely illogical. If you are upset that the gov’t requires you to obtain a prescription before you can get birth control – complain about stupid gov’t regulations and big gov’t – not “greedy doctors”.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Barry kisses the Blarney Stone, and money falls out of everyone else’s pockets.

Christien on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

You mean the ones who work 80 hours a week and who have dedicated their lives to saving the lives of others?

When you get down to their hourly pay, it’s not nearly as much as you would think.

But by all means, let’s get rid of those greedy doctors and import a bunch of non-english speaking refugees from the University of Timbuktu.

Then you can get your birth control pills for free. And we all support you in taking those pills, I think we can all agree on that one.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:30 PM

OK, so you guys go along with your doctors and continue to put them on a pedestal.

I think a lot of them are mostly interested in personal wealth.

Not your health.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

but the gov’t – they can be trusted to care only about each individual’s health and make wise and empathetic decisions for each person’s care, all at teh lowest cost. Well thought out and stated!! If we just accept socialism, we’d all be happier and healthier and those dirty, lying, greedy doctors would get there’s.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Part of that greed is out of necessity; the costs of medical school easily go into 5 or even 6-digit numbers. Even a budding doctor with the noblest motives is faced with recovering from massive student debt.

It’s disgusting. We voluntarily play ignorant louts a princely sum to handle leather balls in a variety of settings…but someone who wants to become a healer faces the financial equivalent of Mount Everest.

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

No, but you don’t need to see your “doctor” and provide paymet for something as simple as migraine headaches, etc.

It’s a complete scam.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Hey – if you don’t care if your doctor verifies you don’t have something worse than a migraine – take some “over the counter” stuff. Why do you need something more? Complain to the FDA if you think more medicines should not require prescriptions.

katiejane on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

That’s the fault of politicians, not doctors.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

I believe Anninca has received her newest talking points – the doctors are the real evil in our world. They must be stopped.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Doctors aren’t discussing cost reduction methods with a smidge of honesty.

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Yeah … those doctors that see Medicare and Mediaid patients at a reduced rate are pretty greedy all right. Those doctors and nurses that give their time to help those in need are really greedy, and the worst are the medical professionals who volunteer to go to places like Haiti to help out.

Damn greedy bastards. I wish they could be more like those lawyers … man, those people are soooooooo ethical and not greedy at all … oh no.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Why do you assume I put doctors on a pedestal? I work with them; I know what horses’ @$$es they can be. But that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be compensated for their education, experience, and expertise.

ladyingray on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

It found that large employers would see premium savings of at most 3 percent compared with what their costs would have been without the legislation. That would be more like a few hundred dollars instead of several thousand. …

Math is FUN!

Average healthcare Insurance cost is about $4500.00 per year… close to $14,000 per family.

$4500 times .03 = $135.00

$14,000 times .03 = $420.00

Only an order of magnitude different from what the President says… and thats WITH Gov Price controls…

Romeo13 on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Or to be in a movie and entertain us.

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

By,pooular demand,RotoRooter Commercial!
==========================================
Roto-Rooter commercial (1988)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTxouX0Rtc

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

I think a lot of them are mostly interested in personal wealth. Not your health.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

I’ve been slummin’ over at Huffpo and Kos. They say the same thing over there.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

That’s the fault of politicians, not doctors.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM

You can’t tell her that. She’s already set in her ways. Government good … doctors bad.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

I must admit, I simply never thought of birth control in terms of whom I could sue.
That’s a new concept for me.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

But yet that is exactly what goes on today. I see countless TV ads about attorneys wanting your business because drug X has been found to cause problem Y. How does the medical industry respond to these lawsuits?

Electrongod on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Give Ann a break, she’s typing her posts with her dead sister’s hands.

At least that’s what Nanzi told us.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

OK, so you guys go along with your doctors and continue to put them on a pedestal.

Who cares as long as they’re good? Why do you care how much they make? Doing this will assure that it lessens the importance of such a role. Which do I choose to give more money to when the health of me and my family is on the line? Well, it ain’t a plumber.

badtemper on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

The entire idea that “professionals” deserve high pay is ONE of the balloons burst in this economic crash.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

In Ann’s world, there is no such thing as good and better, everything is just good enough.

Start paying engineers no more than plumbers and see how long the planes stay in the skies.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Doctors aren’t discussing cost reduction methods with a smidge of honesty.

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Are you kidding? Doctors have to charge what they do, and they aren’t over charging, except for 2 reasons. They need to cover their losses for the treatment they render to medicare, and medicaid patients, and they pay exorbitant amounts of money toward their malpractice insurance, because of sue happy people that think a hang nails deserver million dollar judgements.

Nurses pay out a lot too. They make a lot, but almost half of their pay goes toward their own malpractice insurance. The bottom line is…dependent people that rely on others to get them thru life, and greedy mongers who think they’re owed millions for every little thing have caused these problems.

Sure…there are irresponsible doctors out there, and they get sued. But there are great doctors out there, that also get sued. And usually over trivial things.

You’re blaming everyone but those you should be blaming. Your United States Government.

capejasmine on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

El crapo,thats popular,not pooular,but on the other
hand,it might pass a a pun!Ugh.

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Melt down the phone lines
ag1985 Wednesday, March 17th at 1:03PM EDT (link)

If you’ve already called the people on Dick Morris’ list at http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/, here are some additional names based on the list at NRO. For your convenience, I’ve added the phone numbers to their names.
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzQzMDMxNmZmZGQ4NTgzNDRjYzA3ODM5NGY4MzkwMjY=

Vic Snyder 202-225-2506, 501-324-5941
Marion Berry 202-225-4076, 870-972-4600
Melissa Bean 202-225-3711, 847-517-2927
Joe Donnelly 202-225-3915, 574-288-2780
Brad Ellsworth 202-225-4636, 812-465-6484
Bart Stupak 202-225-4735, 231-348-0657
Bob Etheridge 202-225-4531, 919-829-9122
Charlie Wilson 202-225-5705, 740-376-0868
Ciro Rodriguez 202-225-4511, 210-922-1874
Solomon Ortiz 202-225-7742, 361-883-5868
Mike Ross 202-225-3772, 870-536-3376
Betsy Markey 202-225-4676, 970-221-7110
Allen Boyd 202-225-5235, 850-561-3979
Suzanne Kosmas 202-225-2706, 386-756-9798
John Barrow 202-225-2823, 912-354-7282
John Adler 202-225-4765, 732-608-7235
Michael McMahon 202-225-3371, 718-351-1062
Scott Murphy 202-225-5614, 518-581-8247
Larry Kissell 202-225-3715, 704-786-1612
John Boccieri 202-225-3876, 330-489-4414
John Tanner 202-225-4714, 731-885-7070
Glenn Nye 202-225-4215, 757-326-6201
Brian Baird 202-225-3536, 360-695-6292

Call them now, and use their local numbers. Tell everyone you know to call them now! This is a fight for the soul and future of the United States of America; for the country we all love, and have inherited and preserved out of the blood and treasure of our forefathers.

Will the American citizens stand and fight as our great Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Guardsmen, and United States Marines, past and present, always stand and fight for our sacred liberty? This is a seminole moment in American history. We will live as one nation under God, or under government? Now is the time of decision! You must act now! Now is the time to let your voices be heard as never before. Where is the march on Washington? Where is the American spirit that never quits? Where is the American spirit that says “no” and “never again” to our enemies, and backs it up at all costs? Our soldiers are willing to die for this country’s preservation. Shall we not stand up on their behalf while they face bullets and bombs so we do not have to?

If you called already, call them again! If you have e-mailed them, do it again. If you have told your relatives, friends, neighbors, and co-workers, tell them to call and email, and fax them again! Stop what you’re doing and do it now! Our great republic is at stake!

Think of your children; and do it for them. Look into their faces; and then pick-up the phone and get on your computer, and let them know, we are still Americans, and we will not accept tyranny from anyone – foreign or domestic. We will never surrender to state control of our lives. Tell them that when you call and email them. Tell them we are not socialists, and we will not live under it now or ever. Tell them like Churchill “We will fight them in the air; on the land; and on the seas. We will never surrender.” Call them now! E-mail them now! Fax them now! Let them feel the people’s power. Do it now!

SheetAnchor on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

nah – that would be sports figures and actors. Seems like a doctor deserves to be wealthy more than a guy whose main contribution to the world is dunking a basketball or some women who can pretend to be someone else while repeating words from a script.

katiejane on March 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I’ve been slummin’ over at Huffpo and Kos. They say the same thing over there.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Ask them what living in their mom’s basement pays.

Talk about overcompensation.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Not that it takes on average 13 years and TONS of money to gain that medical degree and begin a practice. Yep, we should never put someone who has the ability to literally save lives on a pedestal. Now being able to snake a hair ball outta your drain or install a light in your pantry???? THAT is much more impressive.

Looks pretty ridiculous written out, doesn’t it?

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Especially since I’ve done about 5 electrical jobs and 2 plumbing jobs in about 4 months in a house that I’m renting.

sarc/Installing lights and faucets is such a difficult task./sarc

Don’t get me wrong, certain aspects of those jobs can be difficult, but not to the extent of what doctors must know. I don’t think there is such a thing as a Bachelors, Masters of PHD Degree in Plumbing. And being an engineer, an electrical engineer isn’t exactly the same as an electrician.

MobileVideoEngineer on March 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Ann appears to be the bastion of knowledge concerning who is entitled to make money and in what amounts. Who are you to pass judgment over how much money an individual is entitled to make? I’m sure you never ask for raises or look for more lucrative jobs? The audacity to act like there should be no reward for being successful sickens me. You want wage controls? LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM

No, but you don’t need to see your “doctor” and provide paymet for something as simple as migraine headaches, etc.

It’s a complete scam.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

If you think migraine headaches are simple, then you are a moron.

First off there are a dozen types of migraines, and the medicines for one do not work for the others. Secondly, there are many things that cause headaches, and many of those things will kill you if not detected and treated.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I wonder if there will be a new medical specialty introduced with ObamaCare….Kevorkianology?

Hmmmm????

belad on March 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM

katiejane on March 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Or a president who reads his speeches off of teleprompters.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

lol…excellent

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on March 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM

That’s nothing, Ann has done brain surgery on herself and cured herself of common sense.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Or to be in a movie and entertain us.

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Yeah, and that’s little better. The quality of movies has gone downhill faster than Calvin in his little red wagon in recent years.

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

OK, so you guys go along with your doctors government and continue to put them it on a pedestal.

I think a lot of them are know it is mostly only interested in the stealing of personal wealth.

Not your health you.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

FIFY

ladyingray on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

YouTube video of Obama impersonating Dr. Evil with his “3000% premium reduction: claim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PltdEp3Opk

Mervis Winter on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

His lips were moving so I’m certain he was lying.

TrickyDick on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

The entire idea that “professionals” deserve high pay is ONE of the balloons burst in this economic crash.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

In Ann’s world, there is no such thing as good and better, everything is just good enough.

Start paying engineers no more than plumbers and see how long the planes stay in the skies.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM

I think I stated in a thread about 1 year ago that Anninca had changed her M.O. to pretend to be moderate and try and be a “concern troll” rather than the true lefty she is. I for one saw through it, but others here took her for her words.

Now that she sees that victory is near, the facade is dropping and her true colors are coming out. Can you be any more marxist than claiming that the gov’t or some other nameless entity should decide compensation for people? That “doctors” and “professionals” are just greedy and evil and don’t deserve their pay?

She is too dumb to realize that it is not the doctors who determine what drugs require a prescription, but the gov’t, and yet we discuss these issues with her like there is any logic or honesty to her statements. I think today’s dropping of the veil of moderation should alert everyone here to ignore her as teh marxist she always was.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Hi, I’m Tiger Woods and I play golf! I’m worth over a billion dollars and I screw around on my wife as much as I can. If you think I’m an ass, just remember … I’m not a greedy doctor!

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM

An Ass masquerading as a President found a Doctor’s white lab coat which had been left out in the sun to dry. He put it on and spoke to his countrymen. All bowed, both men and women, and he was a proud Ass that day. In his delight he lifted up his voice and brayed incoherently and then every one knew him for what he really was.

Cheshire Cat on March 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.Hello. That’s controlling.AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

And if anyone should be provided birth control it is you.

Aviator on March 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM

And, by the way, I believe most doctor’s salaries at a hospital are around $200,000 – $300,000 a year. Hardly the kind of insane wealth for the education and experience that these marxists are claiming.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Speaking of electricians, isn’t the Teleprompter always breaking down?

I bet THAT electrician job pays very well.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Stupak was just on Fox. He said not only does he have 12 others with him (“We had a meeting yesterday and there were 13 of us…”), but also that the media and K Street lists of who is in his coalition are “way off. Oh God, please let him he telling the truth…

rcpjr on March 17, 2010 at 1:40 PM

They aren’t entitled to extreme wealth, either.

So what you are really after are pay caps on those who you think shouldn’t get more then you. Nice and Marxist at that. Why should anyone cap the earnings of any profession let alone doctors or nurses.

I bet less regulation would both gain doctors more cash while driving down costs of healthcare. But Obamacare’s gonna do neither.

Sharr on March 17, 2010 at 1:41 PM

The insurance policies of the future under ObamaCare would provide more comprehensive benefits, but that’s because

ObamaCare would outlaw more modest plans. The federal mandates of ObamaCare would mean that healthy people would no longer have the choice of low-cost, high-deductible plans that encourage direct spending on routine medical issues, the exact kind of policies that real reform would emphasize. Obama and the Democrats want to force young, healthy people into committing more money into risk pools in order to keep premium increases down for others — in essence, subsidizing medical care for older, higher-risk pool members.

Yes, yes, yes!!! Keep saying it, Ed. Keep saying it.

J.E. Dyer on March 17, 2010 at 1:41 PM

I think a lot of them are mostly interested in personal wealth.

Not your health.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:29 PM

And you know this, how?

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Doctors aren’t discussing cost reduction methods with a smidge of honesty.

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

You’re the greedy one. You demand others give you what they have for less than they are willing or able to give it for, then apparently want the government to force it from them if you don’t get your way.

DarkCurrent on March 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM

No it’s not, but the Marxists always need enemies against whom to rail and the flavor of the week is physicians.

Being the enemy of a Marxist is a badge of honor.

Notice how they demonize people who save lives and produce while lionizing those who don’t contribute a damn thing to society and who never will.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Today, on the Feast of St. Patrick, I respectfully post his ancient prayer, known as The Breastplate of St. Patrick.

As you may know, Patrick stood alone against the pagan rulers and druids of ancient Ireland. God’s power through Patrick defeated their evil powers and the entire land was converted to Christ.

This prayer is extremely powerful against evil and in calling upon the Holy Trinity for deliverance. May this prayer bring us Divine Intervention in our time of dire need.

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through belief in the threeness,
Through confession of the oneness
Of the Creator of Creation.

I arise today
Through the strength of Christ’s birth with his baptism,
Through the strength of his crucifixion with his burial,
Through the strength of his resurrection with his ascension,
Through the strength of his descent for the judgement of Doom.

I arise today
Through the strength of the love of Cherubim,
In obedience of angels,
In the service of archangels,
In hope of resurrection to meet with reward,
In prayers of patriarchs,
In prediction of prophets,
In preaching of apostles,
In faith of confessors,
In innocence of holy virgins,
In deeds of righteous men.

I arise today
Through the strength of heaven:
Light of sun,
Radiance of moon,
Splendor of fire,
Speed of lightning,
Swiftness of wind,
Depth of sea,
Stability of earth,
Firmness of rock.

I arise today
Through God’s strength to pilot me:
God’s might to uphold me,
God’s wisdom to guide me,
God’s eye to look before me,
God’s ear to hear me,
God’s word to speak for me,
God’s hand to guard me,
God’s way to lie before me,
God’s shield to protect me.
God’s host to save me

From snares of devils,
From temptations of vices,
From everyone who shall wish me ill,
Afar and anear,
Alone and in multitude.

I summon today all these powers between me and those evils,
Against every cruel merciless power that may oppose my body and souls,
Against incantations of false prophets,
Against black laws of pagandom
Against false laws of heretics,
Against craft of idolatry,
Against spells of witches and smiths and wizards,
Against every knowledge that corrupts man’s body and soul.

Christ to shield me today
Against poison, against burning,
Against drowning, against wounding,
so that there may come to me abundance of reward.

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down, Christ when I arise,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through belief in the threeness,
Through confession of the oneness,
Of the Creator of Creation

tigerlily on March 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Emperor Obama’s medical care plan will work perfectly and come in way under budget. I have worked it all out mathematically.

Let me see now, four million times five million is twelve million, and four billion times six billion is thirteen billion, and four trillion times seven trillion is … … oh my! We shall never get to improved medical care and cost savings at that rate! However, the multiplication table doesn’t really apply. Let’s try geography. Iraq borders Pakistan, the center of the Universe was Iraq but now it’s Afghanistan, America has 57 states, Minnesota is in the tropics by now. No, that’s all wrong, But geography doesn’t really apply either, I’m certain! Let’s try religion. Jews were behind 9/11, Palestinians are victims, Saudi Arabia is our good friend and Islam is a great religion of peace. No, that’s all wrong too! Maybe if Obama just starts over and this time he reads the directions then perhaps directly he will be able to direct us all in the right direction.

Cheshire Cat on March 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM

tigerlily on March 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Thank you, that’s very powerful and inspiring.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:45 PM

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Sounds like a quote from Pol Pot.

Rebar on March 17, 2010 at 1:45 PM

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Hilarious!!

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Ann sounds like she divorced a doctor. Bitter, much?

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 1:46 PM

And you know this, how?

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:41 PM

She’s much smarter. Trust the liberals…they know better than us stupid little people!

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM

This is the biggest group of greedy types I’ve ever met in my entire life.

They are unbelievable.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Lets see… my Doctor pays rent, for his staff, for all the technology in his office, for all the supplies in his office, for the HUGE cleaning bills (to ensure its sanitary)… and then theres Malpractice insurance costs…

And because of the low reimburment rates he gets from TriCare Prime, he LITERALY takes a LOSS every time he sees me. He sees Vets out of patriotism… but stopped seeing new Medicare patients because with his COSTS, he can’t afford it.

Yeah… what a greedy bastich… not…

Romeo13 on March 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM

He misspoke. He meant, 3000 dollars.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Ever notice when Obama “misspeaks” in public it almost always makes his case sound more dramatic?

3000% instead of $3000
$6000 per month instead of $6000 per year

I’m starting to think he might just be a chronic liar and exaggerator.

forest on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

forest on March 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:39 PM

No it’s not, but the Marxists always need enemies against whom to rail and the flavor of the week is physicians.

Being the enemy of a Marxist is a badge of honor.

Notice how they demonize people who save lives and produce while lionizing those who don’t contribute a damn thing to society and who never will.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM

I know a couple of Hospital ER doctors and their salaries are about $250k, so figured that was fairly representative.

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Now that she sees that victory is near, the facade is dropping and her true colors are coming out. Can you be any more marxist than claiming that the gov’t or some other nameless entity should decide compensation for people?

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

A few months ago, she made the claim that the only thing we needed to do to make health insurance affordable again was to reduce executive salaries.

For some reason, Ann seems to spend most of her time worrying her pretty little head about what other people make, and like most liberals, she gets upset whenever someone has more than she does.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Ann sounds like she divorced a doctor. Bitter, much?

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Actually, sounds more like a doctor divorced her.

Aviator on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Ugh.
You know, I live in ND, & collision ins. is REALLY expensive.
It’s bcs we have pheasants, deer, coons, coyotes, etc to hit + all the weather related accidents with snow & ice plus the frequent hail in the summer.
So I do not purchase collision & when I get a tiny dent in my car, I do not have it fixed.
Yeah my car may look like crap, but it still drives.
Likewise when I have an annoying medical problem that isn’t affecting my mortality, I don’t run to the dr to get it fixed in order to keep my costs down.
But if everyone has the ability to run to the dr for a sniffle, they will.
This is going to be a disaster if this passes.

Badger40 on March 17, 2010 at 1:49 PM

Doctor’s are not insanely wealthy.
Thank goodness AnninCa is back. The last time I read her she sounded like she had gotten a tiny clue but today we are back to clueless.
Keep your legs closed. I had a friend who had a stroke at 25 from birth control pills. There is a reason, even if you don’t understand it, why some things require a visit to the doc. Most general doctors make far less than 200,000. But really who cares what they make, the cost for your care (or promiscuity related contraceptive visits) is skyrocketted by malpractice insurance. Look up the rates, it is not that tough.
The cost of insurance for patients is jacked up due to the uninsured and the govt health care we already have. It is a simple market and a simple explanation but liberals aren’t interested. They see this as the camel nose tent thing for the USSA. It really is that simple.

ORconservative on March 17, 2010 at 1:49 PM

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM
———–
lol…excellent

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM

cmsinaz:)

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Actually, sounds more like a doctor divorced her.

Aviator on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Or failed miserably at an attempt at med school.

BigWyo on March 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Actually, sounds more like a doctor divorced her.

Aviator on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Great, now that you brought of the idea of divorce lawyers. Depending on whether or not she got half his stuff, to her they could either be greedy bastards or saints on a pedestal like electricians and plumbers.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Hi, I’m Tiger Woods and I play golf! I’m worth over a billion dollars and I screw around on my wife as much as I can. If you think I’m an ass, just remember … I’m not a greedy doctor!

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Hi, I’m Timothy Franz Geithner and I play with the economy! I have funneled billions of dollars through AIG to Goldman Sachs and will surely get a nice job with them in a few years and make millions and I screw around on my taxes as much as I can. If you think I’m an ass, just remember … I’m not a greedy doctor!

MB4 on March 17, 2010 at 1:53 PM

In the far West states, I agree with you. It’s an issue.

I think, however, in the majority of states, it’s not. It’s a matter of either paying for emergency care through taxed methods in this way or another. It’s probably a wash.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Last time I checked, Indiana & IL were not far west states.
They have very high illegal populations from what I can gather.
I have been travelling & living in & out of those states my whole life & they have always had large illegal populations.
Consider agriculture belts.
It’s everywhere.

Badger40 on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Drudge‘s siren is up:
OBAMA UPSIDE DOWN IN GALLUP; NOW MORE DISAPPROVE

Mary in LA on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

YouTube video of Obama impersonating Dr. Evil with his “3000% premium reduction: claim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PltdEp3Opk

Mervis Winter on March 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Mervis Winter: Pricelss,lol:)

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

For some reason, Ann seems to spend most of her time worrying her pretty little head about what other people make, and like most liberals, she gets upset whenever someone has more than she does.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

She’s greedy

DarkCurrent on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Ever notice when Obama “misspeaks” in public it almost always makes his case sound more dramatic?

3000% instead of $3000
$6000 per month instead of $6000 per year

I’m starting to think he might just be a chronic liar and exaggerator.

forest on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

It’s because he knows his audience of morons will never question him and believe anything that comes out of his piehole.

thomasaur on March 17, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Drudge’s siren is up:
OBAMA UPSIDE DOWN IN GALLUP; NOW MORE DISAPPROVE

Mary in LA on March 17, 2010 at 1:54

Mary in LA:Hopey has done smacked into another ICEBERG!!:)

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Emperor Obama’s medical care plan will work perfectly and come in way under budget. I have worked it all out mathematically.

Let me see now, four million times five million is twelve million, and four billion times six billion is thirteen billion, and four trillion times seven trillion is … … oh my! We shall never get to improved medical care and cost savings at that rate! However, the multiplication table doesn’t really apply. Let’s try geography. Iraq borders Pakistan, the center of the Universe was Iraq but now it’s Afghanistan, America has 57 states, Minnesota is in the tropics by now. No, that’s all wrong, But geography doesn’t really apply either, I’m certain! Let’s try religion. Jews were behind 9/11, Palestinians are victims, Saudi Arabia is our good friend and Islam is a great religion of peace. No, that’s all wrong too! Maybe if Obama just starts over and this time he reads the directions then perhaps directly he will be able to direct us all in the right direction.

Cheshire Cat on March 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM

+1000

You have a satiric talent, Cheshire. Thanks for sharing it w/ us.

tigerlily on March 17, 2010 at 1:59 PM

I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Yes you could have. And still can.
It’s called crossing your ankles & saying “No”

Badger40 on March 17, 2010 at 1:59 PM

For some reason, Ann seems to spend most of her time worrying her pretty little head about what other people make, and like most liberals, she gets upset whenever someone has more than she does.

MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM

She’s greedy

DarkCurrent on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

As Chrissy Matthews would snarkily belt, “Hah!”

tigerlily on March 17, 2010 at 2:01 PM

I had a friend who had a stroke at 25 from birth control pills. There is a reason, even if you don’t understand it, why some things require a visit to the doc.

ORconservative on March 17, 2010 at 1:49 PM

+3000%. I can corroborate this from my own experience, as I myself very nearly had a stroke from birth control pills. My blood pressure suddenly spiked into stroke territory while I was at the doctor’s office. I’m very lucky.

Ann, I’m sorry if you felt embarrassed or inconvenienced by having to see a doctor for a birth control Rx, but do you realize that your life was potentially at stake there? BC pills seriously mess with your hormones — that’s how they work. When we use them, we make what is hopefully a well-informed decision to trade one risk (using a physical method that’s less reliable) for another (short or long-term health risk).

What you pay for when you go to the doctor is not just the cost of the doctor’s time, or the overhead of running the office. It’s the cost of all those years of experience and learning that went into the doctor’s being able to examine you and assess the risks associated with prescribing a given drug or other treatment.

Mary in LA on March 17, 2010 at 2:02 PM

The people who will rebel won’t be radicals. They will be regular people.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Gee, maybe they’ll start something like, oh, I don’t know, Tea Parties???????

NJ Red on March 17, 2010 at 2:02 PM

DarkCurrent on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Ann understands nothing about health care or running a business.

She should run for Congress.

Or better yet, President.

She’s completely qualified when you measure her against who we have there now.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 2:03 PM

There is a reason, even if you don’t understand it, why some things require a visit to the doc.
ORconservative on March 17, 2010 at 1:49 PM

A lot of OTC meds really shouldn’t be available in mass quantities like they are now, IMHO.
It seems like a lot of meds are getting released sooner as OTC than they used to. I’m not sure why that is, but even like with young children’s cold medicines, there is so much danger in giving young children meds like that that people are not aware of.
And you cannot even articulate all the reasons why a med shouldn’t be taken in some instances bcs there’s not enough room on the box.
Some stuff should still be by prescription only.

Badger40 on March 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Badger40 on March 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Exactly right. Dairy farms, crop farms, etc all hire undocumented workers. It has contributed to the closing of many rural HC providers.

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Yes you could have. And still can.
It’s called crossing your ankles & saying “No”

Badger40 on March 17, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Or take the bag off yer head.

BigWyo on March 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM

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