AP fact check: Premiums will rise under ObamaCare

posted at 12:55 pm on March 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama has gotten bolder in his sales pitch for ObamaCare over the last couple of weeks.  While earlier he kept his fiscal promises as non-specific as possible, generally talking about “bending cost curves” rather than relating it to individual effects, lately he has pledged that his signature agenda item will lower health-care premiums for Americans.  The Associated Press calls shenanigans today in a fact check:

Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but check the fine print.

Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases would level off with time. But don’t look for a rollback. Instead, the main reason premiums would be more affordable is that new government tax credits would help cover the cost for millions of people.

Listening to Obama pitch his plan, you might not realize that’s how it works.

Well, listening to Obama pitch his plan, people may not realize how math works.  Obama insisted that his plan would lower premiums by “3,000 percent,” which the White House later adjusted to three thousand dollars. But that’s far off the mark, as the AP informs its readers:

An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office of earlier Senate legislation suggested savings could be fairly modest.

It found that large employers would see premium savings of at most 3 percent compared with what their costs would have been without the legislation. That would be more like a few hundred dollars instead of several thousand. …

The budget office concluded that premiums for people buying their own coverage would go up by an average of 10 percent to 13 percent, compared with the levels they’d reach without the legislation. That’s mainly because policies in the individual insurance market would provide more comprehensive benefits than they do today.

The AP misses the point here just a bit, although overall this is a good report.  The insurance policies of the future under ObamaCare would provide more comprehensive benefits, but that’s because ObamaCare would outlaw more modest plans.  The federal mandates of ObamaCare would mean that healthy people would no longer have the choice of low-cost, high-deductible plans that encourage direct spending on routine medical issues, the exact kind of policies that real reform would emphasize.  Obama and the Democrats want to force young, healthy people into committing more money into risk pools in order to keep premium increases down for others — in essence, subsidizing medical care for older, higher-risk pool members.

Obama is flat-out lying about lowering premiums, as the CBO made plain last November.  Not only will premiums continue to increase, they will rise faster under ObamaCare than otherwise, while forcing people into plans they don’t need.  And note that the people who will pay the higher premiums are those who are already under more financial pressure than most — the people who have to buy their coverage as individuals.  Aren’t these the folks that Obama purports to help?


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Doesn’t matter. Nancy is passing it on Saturday.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Well, I think that premiums going up is a given, no matter the solution.

This is not a real solution argument.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Meanwhile Julio is still working the fryolator at mcdonalds and Obama still hasn’t paid my mortgage and gas bills.

daesleeper on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Losing Kathleen Parker and the AP on the same day? The Whine’s going to be upset. He’ll need to send a naked Rahm to do some more poking.

rbj on March 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM

AP fact check: Premiums will rise under ObamaCare

I don’t buy it, I believe The One. As we learned on Special Report last night:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589523,00.html

Your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent, which means they could give you a raise.

Ignore the reply from someone who isn’t a moronic Obama supporter, and is capable of independent though:

Rhonda Keith for the Cincinnati Independent Examiner writes: “Do the math: 100 percent of anything is all of it. If you pay 100 percent less, you don’t pay anything at all. Ever go to a 100 percent-off sale? Probably not.”

RightWinged on March 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Well, listening to Obama pitch his plan, people may not realize how math works. Obama insisted that his plan would lower premiums by “3,000 percent,” which the White House later adjusted to three thousand dollars.

I don’t care what the WH says. I hope that when Baier interviews Obama tonight, he asks him why Obama said 3000% and whether Obama knows that only 100% reduces you to zero.

F**k the “misspeak” label. I want Obama on record that he’s an idiot.

BuckeyeSam on March 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM

No, Ed. They will go down 3000%.

The president said so!!

KeepOhioRed on March 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Obama is flat-out lying about lowering premiums

Well isn’t this a newsflash? Obama’s a liar? Are you certain about that?

t.ferg on March 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Wait? The AP Factchecked Obama? I’m stunned.

Sharr on March 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Pelosi reports she has the votes.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Because they haven’t addressed the problems that cause premiums to go up, which is Government policy, such as requiring hospitals to treat illegals who can’t pay and Government entitlement programs that underpay which forces the cost on Insurers and private citizens.

Holger on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

He lies you die.

inchdeep on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Would somebody just please do a study to show exactly what will be coming out of the average Joe’s paycheck if this piece of crap gets passed instead of more fancy footwork.

Average Joe needs to know the bottom line. Period.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

When you have lost AP…

But why let a few inconvenient facts get in the way!

singlemalt_18 on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Fuzzy math…

Khun Joe on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Obama lied?

#SET SURPRISE_LEVEL_= 0

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Obama is flat-out lying about lowering premiums, as the CBO made plain last November.

Edited to remove unnecessary verbiage.

turfmann on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

If cost controls work as advertised

Terrifying words

Missy on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

I think that the public has been smarter about this than DC. As time has passed, with all the potential bills and solutions, people have truly had time to think this issue through.

I personally think that people want reform.
I think they are demanding a change.
I think that our own habits of consuming healthcare plays a part.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

The pic for this thread is really blurry. The guy to the left of Obama looks like a hippie with a lollipop stick hanging out of his mouth.

MobileVideoEngineer on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

pseudonominus on March 17, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Buyers, beware

That’s a hoot, like we have any damn choice in the matter?

Like saying, “we know you have a gun pointed at your head, but be wary of buying that garbage can full of crap from that criminal who is holding it.”

News you can use AP.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases would level off with time. But don’t look for a rollback. Instead, the main reason premiums would be more affordable is that new government tax credits would help cover the cost for millions of people. –AP.
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Well,the costs are gonna go up anyhow!!

Listening to Obama pitch his plan, you might not realize that’s how it works.-AP
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But
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“You’ll be able to buy in, or a small business will be able to buy into this pool,” Obama said. “And that will lower rates, it’s estimated, by up to 14 to 20 percent over what you’re currently getting. That’s money out of pocket.”

And that’s not all.

Obama asked his audience for a show of hands from people with employer-provided coverage, what most Americans have.

“Your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent,” said the president, “which means they could give you a raise.”

A White House press spokesman later said the president misspoke; he had meant to say annual premiums would drop by $3,000.

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Pelosi reports she has the votes.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Link?

This is not a good week to post stuff that looks like breaking news, if it is not in fact breaking news.

Missy on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Because they haven’t addressed the problems that cause premiums to go up, which is Government policy, such as requiring hospitals to treat illegals who can’t pay and Government entitlement programs that underpay which forces the cost on Insurers and private citizens.

Holger on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Pay on one end or another. In the far West states, I agree with you. It’s an issue.

I think, however, in the majority of states, it’s not. It’s a matter of either paying for emergency care through taxed methods in this way or another. It’s probably a wash.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Pelosi reports she has the votes.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Then she should call a vote.

She doesn’t have the votes. The entire strategy is to demoralize the public and make their own members think they’re close and that a single no vote could sink it … make the no dems feel guilty in other words.

She wants us to stop fights and cave in.

Everyone call. Call Pelosi too.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Obama and the Democrats want to force young, healthy people into committing more money into risk pools in order to keep premium increases down for others — in essence, subsidizing medical care for older, higher-risk pool members.

Here that you dimwits who bought PBHO’s schtick, well buy it you did and now the bill is about to come due.

Good luck paying for all of this as you get older, that is if you are lucky enough to have a job, a prospect which is dwindling by the day.

Bishop on March 17, 2010 at 1:04 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

He’s your “house” analogue for the younger viewers.

lorien1973 on March 17, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Paging Brett Baier…

D2Boston on March 17, 2010 at 1:05 PM

If cost controls work as advertised
Terrifying words

Missy on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Cost control is nothing but a code phrase for huge (21%) cuts in Medicare reimbursements to doctors. That will happen unless Congress acts each year to prevent them. They will need to do that each and every year around the time they have to vote on raising the debt ceiling.

Johnnyreb on March 17, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Ever notice when Obama “misspeaks” in public it almost always makes his case sound more dramatic?

3000% instead of $3000
$6000 per month instead of $6000 per year

I’m starting to think he might just be a chronic liar and exaggerator.

forest on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

I think this bill is going to trigger off the first time in American history, beyond our early first days, that people will rebel against implementation.

That’s where I personally think this bill is way off-track.

You simply cannot mandate participation, taxes, etc., and then see no benefits for 3 years.

That will not fly with Americans.

The people who will rebel won’t be radicals. They will be regular people.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Obama still hasn’t paid my mortgage and gas bills.

daesleeper on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Yours neither? Why that son of a …..

jimmy2shoes on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

I think, however, in the majority of states, it’s not. It’s a matter of either paying for emergency care through taxed methods in this way or another. It’s probably a wash.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

I’m paying for stuff I’ll never use. Why should I? If people were allowed to choose a policy based on their needs rather than government dictate some policies could be real cheap.

You can do the same with other insurance, why not health insurance …

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Holger on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM’

The cost savings are going to come from treating the illegal aliens and other deadbeats earlier in the process.

Before they get sick. Because illegal aliens and other deadbeats tend to be REALLY healthy people with REALLY healthy lifestyles.

They just need a primary care doctor to educate them on not drinking, drugging, smoking and eating themselves to death.

That will work.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Would somebody just please do a study to show exactly what will be coming out of the average Joe’s paycheck if this piece of crap gets passed instead of more fancy footwork.

Average Joe needs to know the bottom line. Period.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Remember the joke back in the day about the new Clinton Tax Return?

1) How Much Did You Make? $__________
2) Send it in.

That’s where we’re headed with this bunch, except no one is laughing this time.

And not only would some lying about a soiled blue dress put a damper on things, but if both a dead girl and a live boy show up, there would be apologists coming out of the woodwork to defend him.

turfmann on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Kiss quality medical care goodbye. I don’t care how altruistic, Med students aren’t going to sacrifice and suffer to be paid less than a plumber.

Marcus on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Pelosi reports she has the votes.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Either put up a link to back up your statements or shut up already!!!

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Doesn’t matter. Nancy is passing it on Saturday.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Horse sheet. She doesn’t have the votes. Its a ruse to lower our resolve. It obviously worked on your defeatest attitude.

KEEP MELTING THOSE PHONE LINES!

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

“Your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent,” said the president, “which means they could give you a raise.”

A White House press spokesman later said the president misspoke; he had meant to say annual premiums would drop by $3,000.

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

He misspoke. He meant, 3000 dollars.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Obama and the Democrats want to force young, healthy people into committing more money into risk pools in order to keep premium increases down for others — (to) in essence, subsidizing medical care for older, higher-risk pool members.

^ What the younger generations are calling the “geezer squeeze”. And while we’re pretty d–n sick of it, there isn’t a politician on either side who’ll really combat it.

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Paging Brett Baier…

D2Boston on March 17, 2010 at 1:05 PM

hope he is a little agressive with dear leader…no softball questions, please!

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

It’s on the Women Now.’ [Thomas Peters]

I’m surprised more reporters and wonks haven’t picked this up, but this just tells you again how blind they are to the abortion holdout in health care.

I’m told that Stupak met with Pelosi yesterday, but didn’t cave to her demands.

Today, Roll Call reports Pelosi called an emergency meeting of women-only members-only Democrats. The only purpose of this meeting would be to see what sort of abortion compromise they would be willing to accept, which could only come down to one of Stupak’s proposals.

Two things are very clear then: Pelosi does not have 216 votes without the Stupak coalition of pro-life Democrats, and the only way she can get enough of them to switch their votes is if the pro-abortion women Democrats give in. This is the only path I can see for Pelosi and co. to reach Magic 216.

— Thomas Peters is the communications director for the American Principles Project, where he also blogs.

03/17 01:04 PM Share

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

He misspoke. He meant, 3000 dollars.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Which was still way wrong.

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Meanwhile Julio is still working the fryolator at mcdonalds and Obama still hasn’t paid my mortgage and gas bills.

daesleeper on March 17, 2010 at 12:58 PM

daesleeper: Here ya go:)!!
==============================

Julio Osequeda Asks Obama Final Question–McDonalds Employee Acts Like a Moron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w-FjtdChXE

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Obama and the Democrats want to force young, healthy people into committing more money into risk pools in order to keep premium increases down for others — in essence, subsidizing medical care for older, higher-risk pool members.

Dumb it down for the younger set. Obama wants you to pay for Netflix every month and never use it, so that older folks can use it as much as they want for free. Obama wants you to pay AT&T for use of your iPhone, but only give you 30 minutes and 10 texts/month, so that seniors can have unlimited minutes and texts.

And if you don’t agree, you’ll be fined and/or jailed. And your chance of decent employment is already in the toilet.

Sound like a good deal, kids?

Missy on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

When Baier interviews Obama, he should ask Obama how this isn’t going to be a national version of the Romneycare trainwreck. And Baier should remind him that Romneycare has torpedoed any hope Romney has of running as the GOP nominee.

Just recently, a candidate for governor in Massachusetts was quoted as saying that Obamacare will bankrupt us.

There’s also a study out recently debunking the “ER visit” talking point. The uninsured visit the ER in the same proportion as the rest of the population. As a result, they don’t add to the system as much as Dems believe. But what until the freeloading class can get it for free. They’ll want all they can get.

I can’t wait for the ads of gang-bangers elbowing out retirees for seats in the doctor’s-office waiting room. The retiree having paid into the system and having been employed during his or her working life will be waiting patiently while the unemployed gang-banger getting care for free will be waiting impatiently.

Everyone for social justice. It’s the new life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

BuckeyeSam on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Pretty much the foundation and platform of the Obama administration is to lie their collective a$$es off and see what they can get away with.

Baxter Greene on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Obama is flat-out lying about lowering premiums

Yeah, well, he lies about everything.

Listening to him speak on this and other subjects it’s obvious that he has no grasp or deep understanding of any particular subject. It’s actually cringe-making to listen to him stumble around with complex issues.

A debate worth watching would be between him and Paul Ryan on the economy and health care. I would pay to watch that one.

Cody1991 on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Once the media is sure it’s going to pass, the real truth about this travesty can start coming out, under the guise of “the uphill struggle ObamaCare faces”. It’ll be coated with a nice almond flavor.

LibTired on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Yeah, but no matter how many stupid, inaccurate things Barry says, he’s brilliant.

Because everyone who’s anyone says so.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Tis apparent that obama does not know lie or truth–just what works. A man and an administration of questionable moral standing. And..one might like to remind them that their claim about recon. being used in the past is exactly that, in the past. The American voter is operating in the present and does not like what he’s seeing and hearing.

jeanie on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Kiss quality medical care goodbye. I don’t care how altruistic, Med students aren’t going to sacrifice and suffer to be paid less than a plumber.

Marcus on March 17, 2010 at 1:06 PM

This is where I veer liberal. They aren’t Gods. They aren’t entitled to extreme wealth, either.

I’m all for supporting people better through school, eliminting the extreme debt, and definitely lowering malpractice insurance through GOP initiatives to reduce nuisance lawsuits.

I’m not particularly interested at all in supporting doctors becoming wealthy just because they are doctors.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Baxter Greene on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

yep

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Pretty much the foundation and platform of the Obama administration is to lie their collective a$$es off and see what they can get away with.

Baxter Greene on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Baxter Greene: Its working so far!:)

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:11 PM

This is where I veer liberal. They aren’t Gods. They aren’t entitled to extreme wealth, either.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Uh … they’re entitled to compensation equivalent to their level of expertise. If that’s the case then lawyers should earn minimum wage.

I see you’ve got a dark side.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM

what?! dear leader isn’t using TOTUS for his luncheon?

cmsinaz on March 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM

YOU LIE!

If this bill passes, Obama will be hearing that more and more.

GarandFan on March 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Duh!!! CBO, Congress, voters who voted for this administration….looky here!!!! How convenient to put this news out a little late.

Rush said to call 202-224-3121 – busy
or 877-762-8762 – rings and recording says circuits are busy.

yoda on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

This is where I veer liberal. They aren’t Gods. They aren’t entitled to extreme wealth, either.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Yeah, we should all be making $10 an hour. That would be fair.

/sarc

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I’m not particularly interested at all in supporting doctors becoming wealthy just because they are doctors.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

But it’s OK for lawyers to be wealthy, because they provide, well what exactly?

Whereas doctors just work their ass off for eight years post-grad to save lives.

Great – limit their income and they’ll become lawyers.

And Obama can tell us how doctors of average intelligence (or who can’t speak english) can provide quality medical care I’m sure.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

There’s that ridiculous photo of those silly white coated supposed Docs again…the same goofy smiles plastered on their faces. Makes you wonder just what beverage was served at lunch and how much of it! They degrade their profession.

jeanie on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

***

I’m not particularly interested at all in supporting doctors becoming wealthy just because they are doctors.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

That they’re extremely skillful and have to spend a lot of “non-billable” keeping current to stay on top of new developments should not warrant that they be highly compensated, right?

WTF!

BuckeyeSam on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Damn, I hate this. Who do I believe, Obama the liar or Obama the fuzzy-math liar?

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Uh … they’re entitled to compensation equivalent to their level of expertise. If that’s the case then lawyers should earn minimum wage.

I see you’ve got a dark side.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

Hello. That’s controlling.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Once the media is sure it’s going to pass, the real truth about this travesty can start coming out,…

LibTired on March 17, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Funny, After Obama iWon in Nov. 2008, Tom Brokaw came out saying “We Don’t know Obama or What he will do”. I think something similar will be stated when this bill gets passed.

Electrongod on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Duh!!! CBO, Congress, voters who voted for this administration….looky here!!!! How convenient to put this news out a little late.

Rush said to call 202-224-3121 – busy
or 877-762-8762 – rings and recording says circuits are busy.

yoda on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

yoda:Keep up the good work,Rush is on,Man the Phones,Day 2!
—:)

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Damn, I hate this. Who do I believe, Obama the liar or Obama the fuzzy-math liar?

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

I found that to be confusing as well so I opted just to believe Pelosi who I find to be incredibly adept at lying and distorting. Plus, she sometimes says stupid stuff.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

But it’s OK for lawyers to be wealthy, because they provide, well what exactly?

Heck no, and a bunch of lawyers are now working as paralegals, as it should be.

The entire idea that “professionals” deserve high pay is ONE of the balloons burst in this economic crash.

Frankly, in my opinion, the people who really earn their money and probably deserven more?

Plumbers and electricians.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

How can premiums go up if its Free Insurance? /sarc/

vcferlita on March 17, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Great – limit their (doctors) income and they’ll become lawyers.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Heck, it won’t take limiting their income. all it will take is passing this pos bill. I know doctors who are planning to get out of healthcare to make some real money if the bill is passed.

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

Hello. That’s controlling.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

AnninCA: What America were you in!!

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Yeah, we should all be making $10 an hour. That would be fair.

/sarc

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:14 PM

No, but you don’t need to see your “doctor” and provide paymet for something as simple as migraine headaches, etc.

It’s a complete scam.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

That’s not a physician requirement, that’s a government requirement.

There are many medications that are not available over the counter because the government (along with trial lawyers) has decided that a physician needs to evaluate you to make sure that you don’t have any counterindications and that you receive counseling on the proper use of the drug.

If you don’t like it, work to get the law changed but that has nothing to do with how physicians are compensated.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

A White House press spokesman later said the president misspoke; he had meant to say annual monthly premiums would drop by $3,000.

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Like the gal in ohio and her insurance premiums.

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Frankly, in my opinion, the people who really earn their money and probably deserven more?

Plumbers and electricians.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

you on crack? Uh, I mean you just like to pitch pennies in their crack…

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

Hello. That’s controlling.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Yet you favor government control of various aspects of our lives. Odd indeed … your dark side is darker than I intially thought.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Well, anyway.

If you guys wish to continue to put doctors on the pedestals?

Go right ahead.

I personally think that’s crazy thinking.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Frankly, in my opinion, the people who really earn their money and probably deserven more?

Plumbers and electricians.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Great! When you come down with terminal illness, see your plumber.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

I’m still stuck that someone said Obama was lying….I never saw that one coming!

/sarc

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM

If you could get a prescription without going to the doctor and the prescription had deleterious side effects, who would you sue? The pharmacist? The manufacturer?

If you leave out the doctors you remove another level of protection. IMO.

ConservativeTony on March 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Oh come on,it was a Hopey Articulation SNAFU!(sarc).

canopfor on March 17, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Frankly, in my opinion, the people who really earn their money and probably deserve more?

Plumbers and electricians.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

The latter especially. Cross the wrong wire(s) or forget to do something just right and you can start a Hugh-Jass fire and/or electrocute people. Including yourself.

I’ve done enough basement-mad-scientist stuff involving electricity to be in minor awe of people who do that kind of thing for a living.

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

No, but you don’t need to see your “doctor” and provide paymet for something as simple as migraine headaches, etc.

It’s a complete scam.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Oh, you mean to get the Migraine medication that has a potential side effect of death? Heck yeah. Just let me run down to McDonalds and pick it up with my Happy Meal.

mwdiver on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Great! When you come down with terminal illness, see your plumber.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

You know, when you have a terminal illness, you have a terminal illness.

That is the reality.

If it isn’t “terminal,” AND there is a treatment, then that’s when someone with skill and knowledge counts.

And they do get paid properly for that.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Great! When you come down with terminal illness, see your plumber.

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Probably great for colonoscopy though.

Jeff2161 on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

Hello. That’s controlling.

Umm, that’s the gov’t that mandates that – not the doctors. the FDA decides what requires a prescription and what does not – not the doctors.

so, your answer to the “controlling” of your life by the gov’t is more gov’t control? That’s insane.

And, your point about doctors not being allowed to become “wealthy” is insane as well. Should the gov’t fix how much money everyone can make? Or is it just doctors who should not be paid based on their value?

Monkeytoe on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Dark side? I’ve grown up in a system where I couldn’t even get a birth control prescription without a visit to my doctor.

Hello. That’s controlling.

I call that unnecessary treatment to help protect from malpractice lawsuits.

Electrongod on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

He misspoke. He meant, 3000 dollars.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What? Our smartest president ever misspoke? He misspoke about a lie, which is still a lie no matter what he said. Premiums are going up, not down 3,000 percent, or $3,000.

And he can’t think fast enough to know that nothing can go down 3,000 percent and still have any value?

kam582 on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Knucklehead on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

they could fix your pipes. maybe a little roto rooter work.

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

@CapitolHillCNN Harry Reid tells Ted Barrett that CBO scores are “pretty close” to the levels needed to move forward. 3/17 12:54 P.M. -

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Yet you favor government control of various aspects of our lives.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Government control in that situation would be if the government required a prescription for birth control.

Dark-Star on March 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM

AnninCa isn’t looking for a doctor, or even a plumber. she is looking for an auto service guy.

jbh45 on March 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM

No, but you don’t need to see your “doctor” and provide paymet for something as simple as migraine headaches, etc.

It’s a complete scam.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Yeah right … then the drug companies get sued when it turns out your migraine was something else and the medication you took made it worse.

darwin on March 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:19 PM

No, you don’t need to see your doctor for a migraine.

Stay at home and treat it yourself with icepacks.

Staring into a computer screen can cause migraines as well so perhaps you should stop doing that as well.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM

This is where I veer liberal.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Where is that? The Milky Way?

LibTired on March 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Frankly, in my opinion, the people who really earn their money and probably deserven more?

Plumbers and electricians.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Well, anyway.

If you guys wish to continue to put doctors on the pedestals?

Go right ahead.

I personally think that’s crazy thinking.

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

The thing that really annoys me about AnninCA’s posts?

That incomplete question that always gets inserted.

YMMV.

There’s so much to choose from.

Missy on March 17, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Please stop responding to the ignorant concern troll.

daesleeper on March 17, 2010 at 1:24 PM

AnninCA on March 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Not that it takes on average 13 years and TONS of money to gain that medical degree and begin a practice. Yep, we should never put someone who has the ability to literally save lives on a pedestal. Now being able to snake a hair ball outta your drain or install a light in your pantry???? THAT is much more impressive.

Looks pretty ridiculous written out, doesn’t it?

search4truth on March 17, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Pelosi reports she has the votes.

andy85719 on March 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Is this true? Did she get the women to agree to Stupak’s terms?

petunia on March 17, 2010 at 1:24 PM

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