Meet Goodwin Liu, next appointee to the federal appeals court
posted at 1:36 pm on March 16, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama’s latest appeals-court nominee, Professor Goodwin Liu, will appear a week from tomorrow [see update] at the Senate Judiciary Committee for his confirmation hearing. Liu, currently teaching at Berkeley, will serve on the oft-overruled 9th Circuit court if he manages to do well in his appearance. And he should, because he has the rather unique status of having testified at the committee before — in 2006, when Liu opposed Samuel Alito’s confirmation:
“Judge Alito has an exceptionally talented legal mind. . . . [H]is opinions have demonstrated sharp analysis, lawyerly craft, and impressive mastery of complex issues. He clearly possesses the intellectual ability required for appointment to the nation’s highest court. .. Intellect . . . is a necessary but not sufficient credential. Equally important are the subtle qualities of judging that give the law its legitimacy, humanity, and semblance of justice. We care about nominees’ ‘judicial philosophy.’”…
“Justice Alito’s lack of skepticism toward government power that infringes on individual rights and liberties. . . . In this area, Judge Alito’s record is at the margin of the judicial spectrum, not the mainstream.”
“[Justice Alito’s] deferential instinct towards government [was] at odds with the Supreme Court’s vital role in protecting privacy, freedom, and due process of law, and [that instinct] deserve[d] special concern in light of questionable tactics used to fight the War on Terror.”
Has anyone who testified against someone’s appointment to the Supreme Court been appointed so quickly to an appellate court whose decisions will get reviewed by that justice? It seems a rather odd set of circumstances, one that emphasizes Liu’s status as an activist rather than someone with the judicial temperament to serve on the appellate bench.
Nor is this the only oddity in Liu’s approach to reasoned, detached application of the law. He has a rather expansive view of “rights,” as well. In his book Education, Equality and National Citizenship (2006), Liu wrote:
“The duty of government cannot be reduced to simply providing the basic necessities of life . . . the main pillars of the agenda would include . . . expanded health insurance, child care, transportation subsidies, job training, and a robust earned income tax credit.”
Certainly one can make an argument for those policies as policies, but not as natural rights as understood by the founders. Granted, that passage doesn’t directly address these as rights, but later in his 2009 essay National Citizenship and The Promise of Equal Opportunity,
Liu makes the connection more clearly, emphasis mine:
“[W]e must be careful to ensure that the ideal of national citizenship does not infuse public education with nativism, cultural conformity, or chauvinistic nationalism and we should not use the concept of citizenship to deny education to noncitizen children, not least because the Equal Protection Clause extends to ‘persons,’ not only to citizens. At the same time . . . we should be thoughtful but not bashful in forging political solidarity necessary for redistributive mutual aid.”
Redistribution. Where have I heard that before? Do we need a judge who believes that the Constitution sets that as a right?
In his Keeping Faith with the Constitution (2009), Liu gives a clearer idea of his approach to constitutional philosophy:
“[C]onstitutional meaning is a function of both text and context. In many instances, a court cannot be faithful to the principle embodied in the text unless it takes into account the social context in which the text is interpreted. The relevant context includes not only social conditions and facts about the world, but also public values and social understandings as reflected in statutes, common law, and other parts of the legal landscape. ”
“The words and principles of the Constitution endure as our fundamental law because they have been made relevant to the conditions and challenges of each generation through an ongoing process of interpretation.”
In other words, the Constitution means whatever we say it means, despite its clear and rather ascetic text.
Presidents have the ability to appoint whomever they want to the bench. Elections do have consequences, and that is one of the more substantial ones. However, that doesn’t mean that the Senate has to approve each appointee (although it should mean an up or down vote on the Senate floor), and Liu appears to be a radical addition to the one appellate court that hardly needs another.
Update: Originally, my source believed this hearing to be scheduled for tomorrow, but it’s actually for a week from tomorrow, on March 24th. My apologies for the confusion.









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And Wickard v Filburn is an abomination and the SCOTUS should set a new precedent.
Also, I don’t see how Wickard directly applies to the health care bill. Wickard was forced by the federal government to destroy his personal property and pay a fine to comply with a federal mandate. The healthcare bill mandates you purchase a product.
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 2:35 PM
And what technology does the DC Circuit cover?
unclesmrgol on March 16, 2010 at 2:36 PM
just another Commie…
Army Brat on March 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Links please. And the commerce clause and all subsequent rulings have nothing to do with this. This is a de-facto “tax” on being an American citizen. There is nothing in contemporary rulings about a tax just to be a citizen in good standing. Call it what you will, fine, levy, tax, insurance payment, etc. But the law as currently written requires every single American citizen to “pay” for the privelage of being a citizen of this country. If you don’t pay it, you pay a fine or go to jail.
From day one the bill as written requires you have to “pay” money for a “product” or you are automatically guilty of a felony.
Johnnyreb on March 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM
A few hundred vibrators and a Blackberry.
Daggett on March 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM
M.A., Oxford University (1993)
J.D., Yale Law School (1998)
Obviously he considers Bill Clinton a role model.
Del Dolemonte on March 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM
5 and 12 volts.
Dark-Star on March 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM
It’s the Ninth Circuit, tho. Will it really make a difference? I doubt it.
NoLeftTurn on March 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Not much but because it’s in D.C. it reviews the rulemaking of all sorts of federal agencies. Also, a lot of complex cases from other jurisdictions are moved there because of the expertise of the judges. It’s a very prestigious court.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Not when the Supreme Court smacks them down.
Holger on March 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM
An incisive legal argument. Like a child, calling people names when you cant discuss the argument.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM
You are just adorable, little Beck-bot.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM
So speaketh the girl with does nothing but regurgitate DNC talking points.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Care to present any evidence that even one of the overturned cases involved new technologies?
Or will you just jump to another newly invented excuse?
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM
You seem to be pretty up on this stuff, then you should know that Wickard and its sister rulings no longer grant the Congress uninhibited power since the Rhenquist court started to whittle away at it.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Ah, give it a break…True Believers can only think so hard before their brains revert to namecalling and threats.
Dark-Star on March 16, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Did you read the post she was responding to?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Last year, SCOTUS overruled 94% of the 9th Circus decisions. And in 8 out of the last 10 years they had a higher than average number of cases overturned.
BTW, in another post you mentioned property zoning as no longer being controversial. You’ve obviously never been to New Hampshire! We have towns that still do not have zoning here, and some are located near towns that have had it for 60 years. The opponents are very radical about their opposition, too.
Del Dolemonte on March 16, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Under the current reading of the commerce clause, congress could bring back slavery if they wanted to.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Got news for you. Not all new technology is invented in California.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Since slavery is expressly prohibited by the constitution, that would be a fairly faulty argument.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Screw you.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM
lol.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 2:52 PM
One of the overruled cases from 2009?
Del Dolemonte on March 16, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Since the commerce clause over rides the 10th ammd, I don’t see why it shouldn’t over ride that one as well.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Gird your loins, Statist judiciary. We’ll be coming after you soon enough.
How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary
“Democrats assault our economic rights, and Republicans assault our civil rights.”
–Judge Andrew Napolitano
And vice-versa.
Rae on March 16, 2010 at 2:54 PM
This health care bill? You mean the one that seems like a warmed up GM takeover? I think we are overdue for a contraction. I say it’s unconstitutional when the proposed law requires me to pay for a procedure which is elective, against my religion and ethics, and gives me no exemption from participation. There’s a starter. You might not see it, but I do, plain as the palm upon your face.
The problem we have is that Wickard was obviously wrong on its face, and presents the finest example of Government intrusion into private life that I’ve ever seen. When you require someone to participate in commerce (purchase a thing) rather than using a thing made by their own hand, you have obviously significantly restricted their rights. The Commerce Clause was obviously intended to cover the rights of citizens and their goods to pass freely over borders, not to require a farmer to purchase grain for private consumption on his own lands rather than growing it himself. If Wickard is taken to its logical conclusion, Victory Gardens ought to have been outlawed as well due to their dilutary effects upon the produce industry. Remember, this is the same Court which decided Hirabayashi, a decision uniformly acknowledged today as being an ultimate contraction of constitutional rights — the deliberate confiscation of property and removal of citizens from their abodes merely based upon the color of their skin.
stare decisis does not always win.
unclesmrgol on March 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM
That is pretty lousy reasoning. The court has recently balanced the commerce clause with the 10th amendment. Since the 10th only reverts to the state rights not granted to congress, I dont see how the CC could ever “override” the 10th amendment since it is an enumerated power.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM
Oh snap! Like you totally and intentionally misunderstood the point of the comment! Zing!
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Stupid racist comment of the day
-70000%
AsianGirlInTights on March 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Absolutely. As an asian leftard, they are going to try to put him on the USSC.
Blake on March 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Then explain it, instead of trying to be cute, because he did a pretty lousy job of it.
Please, I would love to be enlightened.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM
You are just adorable, little Beck-bot.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM
This is what passes for intelligent debate amongst the Obamabots.
Army Brat on March 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Here’s the basic point: The Commerce Clause has been used and is still used as a ‘loophole’ for the federal government to get their fingers into things the should not and to curtail the rights of citizens.
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Really? did you or did you not read the comment that she responded too?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM
And your problem with that comment is what?
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Presumably liberals believe it’s ‘constitutional’ (see crr6′s claims in this thread) to force citizens to purchase a product simply for being alive because of the Commerce Clause. Really? It’s not in infringement of my basic rights to force me to buy something?
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 3:06 PM
I got it, but slavery is a lousy analogy since it is quite expressly forbidden. None of the Commerce Clause rulings have been used to circumvent something so expressly stated in the Constitution.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Slavery is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution. Private slavery as supported by a State was abolished, but that still leaves the Federal Government.
A careful (and I do mean careful) reading of the Thirteenth Amendment is in order. Congress could still make a law using those words (using the “changing standards” rule promulgated by Liu) which legalized a Federal form of slavery. Of course, that approach vanishes if we use the “founders’” approach to interpreting the Constitution — which would be the one associated with the Republicans of that era, because they did a “Pelosi” and locked the Democrats out of conference while debating the wording of the 13th.
There is such a slippery slope created under a changing interpretation of the Constitution that I’m surprised Liu would ever want to go there.
unclesmrgol on March 16, 2010 at 3:08 PM
You critisize mindless namecalling but you are OK with that comment. Wow.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:08 PM
I don’t know what to say. I don’t want to call names.
But seeing those kinds of comments from conservatives is really disheartening.
AsianGirlInTights on March 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Which is why I said you seemed to have willfully misunderstood the point. Sure, slavery may or may not be a lousy analogy but you are focusing on that aspect of it instead of the larger point.
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Since I wrote that comment I’m definitely ok with it. Again, your problem with that comment is what?
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I don’t see how. The 13th amendment doesn’t use the “no state shall” formulation of the 14th amendment, it just says…
Seems pretty straightforward.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Um
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Two things:
1)It was Mindless
2)It was name-calling
You did not address her legal argument or anything to that effect. You essentially called her a name and told her to leave the country.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:17 PM
I have to agree with Liu regarding Alito’s deference to the federal government. Didn’t Alito vote with the majority in gutting 4th amendment protections from the police using evidence obtained in mistaken / faulty searches? This ruling in essence opened up the gates for cops to “accidentally” search anyone they please and get to use any evidence they gather. I’m surprised more liberty loving conservative citizens weren’t pissed over this.
burnitup on March 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Instead of slavery, how about conscripting the entire country? Say too many doctors were retiring because they didn’t want to deal with BarryCare, we just conscript all doctors into a new BarryCareForce, tell them where they will work, and how much they will earn.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM
I did not miss the point, in fact I have addressed it in several posts. Notably that the Commerce Clause is no longer held to be unlimited in modern common law.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM
A reading as strict as the one you want to apply would make conscription illegal.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 3:19 PM
According to the living document crowd, the commerce clause grants unlimited power to govt.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 3:20 PM
I suppose if we’re going to have another nutcase on a Circuit Court the 9th is the place where he can do the least damage.
AsianGirlInTights on March 16, 2010 at 3:21 PM
His feet are firmly planted in mid air. The day he abandoned absolutes he unwittingly embraced madness.
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. – Romans 1:21-23
shick on March 16, 2010 at 3:21 PM
burnitup on March 16, 2010 at 3:18 PM
You should see his dissent in “Gant”, Scalia gives him an earful.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:22 PM
It’s never been “unlimited”, really. Perhaps judicially speaking yes, but the Commerce clause will always be limited by the democratic elections of representatives who enact legislation.
That’s why the ridiculous arguments Mark the Great et. al make are so dumb. We don’t need to worry so much about whether a judicial construction of the Commerce Clause would allow for Congress to pass a law providing for the conscription of doctors, because we would never elect representatives who would do such a thing. And if we did, we would instantly vote them out and repeal it.
I realize this isn’t a direct response to your post, but I think it’s an important point.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Yes you have addressed it – I just thought in this instance you were focusing too much on the analogy.
The Commerce Clause no longer has unlimited use but it’s still has much to broad a scope – it a go to clause whenever liberals want to curtail freedoms. The very fact that crr6 – a liberal in law school – points to it as the reason why the government can force me to buy something for being alive shows that it still has too broad an application/interpretation.
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 3:24 PM
But not according to the court.
And of course even according to the living document crowd, you can not violate something so expressly forbidden as slavery.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:25 PM
I agree about mandates, I think that is the only real Constitutional argument that exists against the current proposals.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Is there really a “legal” argument here? Does anyone really think the framers of the Constitution, after fighting a bloody war of rebellion to win freedom from an oppressive government would write a document that would allow the government to become what they had just fought to free themselves of?
If so, that is mindless.
Anyone who agrees with, or believes that the government has an inherent right to force itself upon it’s citizens solely to advance it’s ambitions has another thing coming.
I called her what she is, and yes I want her and her ilk to leave the country. Finally, I wrote this:
“How dare you think that the government has the right to force me or anyone else to become a slave to their ambition”.
She responded as only she could.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Well, that’s the fun in it. ;o)
I think that’s putting the cart before the horse a bit. Someone will have to retire from SCOTUS for it to make a difference, and it would have to either be one of our guys — doubtful — or Kennedy. But if Kennedy steps down during Dr. Utopia’s reign, he’s going to try to replace him with some radical or other anyway. Whether it’s this guy or someone else, the end result will be the same.
We should all pray nightly that Stevens sticks around long enough for President Palin to nominate his replacement.
NoLeftTurn on March 16, 2010 at 3:27 PM
So unconstitutional laws are ok because they’ll get repealed in subsequent Congresses?
Your warning also seems rather ironic – “We’re not on the verge of conscripting doctors” but we are on the verge of the federal government taking over 1/6th the economy (including the federal government being able to completely dictate how much doctors make) and telling citizens they are felons if they don’t buy health insurance…oh that’s all?
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 3:27 PM
It seems we keep getting radical judges. If we have another one at the appelate level, I would prefer that he joins the fully toxic ninth rather than stink up another court.
burt on March 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM
I think there is a very reasonable position to say that Wickard and the other New Deal “extortion rulings” grant a de facto unlimited jurisdiction of Congress of all buying and selling.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM
BTW, I was going to comment in the QOTD thread last night how nice its been around here the last week or so (save for the skirmish on Friday night about the lesbian prom queen) without our insufferable trolls around to annoy us with their smug condescension and know-it-all-ness, but I can see that was just fleeting. Alas — spring break must be over.
NoLeftTurn on March 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM
Well, I guess that makes me feel better. I think.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Because that is not even remotely what she was saying. So, no, you did not address her argument with the addition of that statement, you called her a name.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM
I know, I know. Facts and contrary viewpoints are troubling.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Lest I call you a name, I wasn’t addressing her argument. It was a gut response to her belief that the government can pretty much do what it wants and trample over the rights of citizens.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:36 PM
It wouldn’t matter if what you were saying was unimpeachable truth. You’d still be an obnoxious, patronizing tool. It’s the way you interact with people that is so off-putting.
You better learn to check your attitude before you go before the bar; it isn’t going to serve you well in the courtroom.
NoLeftTurn on March 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM
It’s odd that there’s been such a long and tedious exchange over such an inane and trite comment. I wasn’t offended, mainly because I expect nothing better from darwin.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM
I don’t think I’ll be interacting with people like darwin when I practice. He has little to now knowledge on this subject and is pretty much relegated to repeatedly calling me a Communist.
In contrast, notice I treat respectful and knowledgeable commenters (SquidShark, unclesmrgol) with respectfully.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:41 PM
You weren’t offended because it’s the truth … and I don’t post comments to win your glowing praise.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Why should I treat you with respect when you condone the forceful takeover of the United States? Of course you won’t interact with people like me … your area of expertise will be subverting the clear intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to suit your ideology.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Typing tired, or just fast?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:46 PM
haha fast. I’m in class.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:47 PM
I think that is a rather simplistic view of the legal profession. And I dont recall her advocating the forceful takeover of anything.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:47 PM
It’s called “the fundamental transportation of the United States of America”.
Transportating us to an America we won’t even recognize.
Shall we just sit back and enjoy the ride?
PappyD61 on March 16, 2010 at 3:48 PM
I have been there, I know exactly how you feel.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Which class?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Legal writing….hence the reason there’s little need to pay attention. The prof is tediously going over some motion for summary judgment brief he wrote 10-15 yrs ago.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 3:50 PM
Except slavery is not expressly forbidden. Otherwise the draft would be unconstitutional.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Ouch. So a 1L?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Tell that to doctor’s in the Netherlands.
MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2010 at 3:54 PM
We are not the Netherlands
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:57 PM
Whatever Squid. I have no idea why you feel the need to defend someone who thinks the government has a legitimate right to take over the health care of this country … or do anything the democrats have done.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 3:59 PM
Saying that the Court will likely not find something unconstituional and saying it is right are to different things. Whether you like it or not the Court will likely not find anything in the bill outside of mandates to be unconstitutional. Our personal feelings on the issue are pretty immaterial.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Yep.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 4:05 PM
But liberals would like us to be.
gwelf on March 16, 2010 at 4:06 PM
They are. Under the name of Health Care Reform, Crap and Tax, Immigration Reform and myriad others that are rolled out daily.
Sporty1946 on March 16, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Ouch. So a 1L?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Yep.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 4:05 PM
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You two, need to get a room!
canopfor on March 16, 2010 at 4:08 PM
Depends, if she is hot :)
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 4:09 PM
Hopefully, you will flunk out. We have more than enough Marxist lawyers already.
Sporty1946 on March 16, 2010 at 4:11 PM
Well, why didn’t you just say so from the start! Hey everybody … Squiddy says everything will be ok and don’t mind the silly interpretations of the Constitution by corrupt courts with glaring agendas.
Everything will be ok. After all, this was the plan by the framers of the Constitution anyway … oppressive government.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 4:13 PM
Cute, of course you dont even know what her actual political views on the topic are. I guess you call all attorneys who tell you what you dont want to hear Marxists too.
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Thank you.
darwin on March 16, 2010 at 4:14 PM
Someone’s woefully ignorant here, but it’s not Ed. The 9th is the most over-ruled court:
theCork on March 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM
Miss the point much?
Squid Shark on March 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM
heh. Not likely. I finished first in my class first semester.
crr6 on March 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM
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