WSJ: What is Obama thinking by attacking Israel?

posted at 1:36 pm on March 15, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Either the Obama administration has really decided to throw Israel under the bus, or … well, what other interpretation can be made from their rhetoric on settlements in Jerusalem?  The Wall Street Journal scratches its head to wonder why Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton have chosen this particular time to issue condemnations of Israel, just when Obama would probably like to have some influence to keep them from striking Iran.  From their perspective, it looks like an attempt to meddle in Israel’s electoral politics:

When it comes to Israel, however, the Administration has no trouble rising to a high pitch of public indignation. On a visit to Israel last week, Vice President Joe Biden condemned an announcement by a mid-level Israeli official that the government had approved a planning stage—the fourth out of seven required—for the construction of 1,600 housing units in north Jerusalem. Assuming final approval, no ground will be broken on the project for at least three years.

But neither that nor repeated apologies from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prevented Secretary of State Hillary Clinton—at what White House sources ostentatiously said was the personal direction of President Obama—from calling the announcement “an insult to the United States.” White House political chief David Axelrod got in his licks on NBC’s Meet the Press yesterday, lambasting Israel for what he described as “an affront.”

Since nobody is defending the Israeli announcement, least of all an obviously embarrassed Israeli government, it’s difficult to see why the Administration has chosen this occasion to spark a full-blown diplomatic crisis with its most reliable Middle Eastern ally. Mr. Biden’s visit was intended to reassure Israelis that the Administration remained fully committed to Israeli security and legitimacy. In a speech at Tel Aviv University two days after the Israeli announcement, Mr. Biden publicly thanked Mr. Netanyahu for “putting in place a process to prevent the recurrence” of similar incidents.

The subsequent escalation by Mrs. Clinton was clearly intended as a highly public rebuke to the Israelis, but its political and strategic logic is puzzling. The U.S. needs Israel’s acquiescence in the Obama Administration’s increasingly drawn-out efforts to halt Iran’s nuclear bid through diplomacy or sanctions. But Israel’s restraint is measured in direct proportion to its sense that U.S. security guarantees are good. If Israel senses that the Administration is looking for any pretext to blow up relations, it will care much less how the U.S. might react to a military strike on Iran.

Netanyahu finds himself in serious danger of losing his governing coalition over the settlements as it is.  One Machiavellian conjecture is that the White House wants to push Netanyahu out to find itself a more pliable partner at the top.  If that’s what they’re trying, the White House’s heavy-handed effort is likely to backfire.  Barack Obama isn’t terribly popular in Israel, and he’s going to be less so if perceived as interfering in their elections.  The sudden hostility coming from this administration may have Israelis more inclined to close ranks behind Netanyahu.  Israeli politics are notoriously fractious, and a more subtle touch may have worked in pushing Netanyahu out — but subtlety isn’t exactly the hallmark of this administration.

Another possible strategy is to distance the US from any potential Israeli actions against Iran.  The WSJ notes that American restraint may be playing a role in keeping Israel from attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities in the way that Israel did against Saddam Hussein’s Osirak in 1981.  If the White House has gotten wind of an Israeli decision to move forward against Iran, they may be backing away from Netanyahu in an attempt to keep our fingerprints off of the mission.  That’s a little far-fetched, though, if for no other reason than the impossibility of convincing Israel’s enemies that we would have had nothing to do with it.  I doubt that even this White House would think that would work.

The last possibility, which the Journal poses, is probably right:

Then again, this episode does fit Mr. Obama’s foreign policy pattern to date: Our enemies get courted; our friends get the squeeze. It has happened to Poland, the Czech Republic, Honduras and Colombia. Now it’s Israel’s turn.

They forgot the UK, but otherwise, that’s the likely answer.  Never assign to malice alone what can be explained by incompetence.  This is part and parcel of an effort to supposedly make the US more lovable by insulting our traditional allies.

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It this got any airplay… it would REALLY piss off the electorate.

Romeo13 on March 15, 2010 at 1:54 PM

I doubt it. The US also transferred funds to UNRWA this week.

It’s really sad.

Phoenician on March 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I will venture to guess that they don’t have the votes in the House to pass ObamaCare. Lashing out at Jews is typically how anti-Semites deal with personal setbacks.

year_of_the_dingo on March 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Don’t all Muslims hate Israel?

notagool on March 15, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Dick Turpin on March 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM

It’s not a complete logic disconnect, seeing as the Israeli lobbyists have such a powerful influence on the US. (not to praise Obama’s actions…he’s going about countering it in all the wrong ways)

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Dear Allies (and Americans):

Hang on. The Republicans are coming (back).

capitalist piglet on March 15, 2010 at 2:33 PM

What the muslims couldn’t do with violence they have succeeded with politics and a naive uninformed electorate.

docdave on March 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM
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Money ,money,money,lots and lots of money.

ohiobabe on March 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM

IT’S OUTRAGEOUS THAT BIDEN SHOULD ARGUE THAT ANY ACTION ISRAEL TAKES MIGHT MAKE OUR TROOPS LESS SAFE.

ISRAEL IS THE USA’S BEST MILITARY ALLY – BAR NONE.

NONE.

SHEESH: ISRAEL ABSORBED SADDAM’S SCUD ATTACKS ON ITS CIVILIAN POPULATION ON BEHALF OF THE USA.

reliapundit on March 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Liberals believe that conservative Christians support Israel because they believe that the existence of Israel is required to bring about the End of Days.

I’m not joking or exaggerating. Liberals really do believe that.

Jaynie59 on March 15, 2010 at 2:10 PM

So true. I literally do not know how to respond to my liberal friends who believe this. In fact, now that I think of it, I don’t know if anything they believe resembles reality. Just goes to show that (generally) Conservatives study history, and Liberals invent it.

Anyway, just indulging in some melodramatic doomsday-scenario thinking here: what do we imagine the broader public reaction will be in the event that Israel does take out Iran’s nuke plants and then Obama and cronies roundly condemn her? What if he withdraws all military and monetary support? What if he offers at least verbal support to any body that would retaliate?

Would he really be so bold (I know he’d be that stupid, but I wonder if even his handlers wouldn’t pause), and how would the American public push back?

I see absurd amounts of money (among other resources) flowing to Israel from American churches and synagogues if this happens.

Animator Girl on March 15, 2010 at 2:41 PM

There is a lot we are going to find out about Obama in the next few months and it not going to be pretty.We are going to find out also that a lot of people who said things during the campaign and were made fun of and called crazy were right after all.These things will come out and if you think the dems are worried about the 2010 midterms now just wait till then .They will be running for the hills

thmcbb on March 15, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Obama is the Phantom Menace, He will not reveal who he is, where he was born and his religious beliefs. The only time he even mentioned the word God was when he was sworn in.

If you noticed when he was sworn in, I like how he was asked by justice Roberts “so help you god?” in a question, letting him know that if he does anything thats unconstitutional, he’ll be in big trouble.

jaboba on March 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM

The Wall Street Journal scratches its head to wonder why Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton have chosen this particular time to issue condemnations of Israel, just when Obama would probably like to have some influence to keep them from striking Iran. From their perspective, it looks like an attempt to meddle in Israel’s electoral politics:

What a load of nonsense. The reason for the flap between the two nations is obvious and and stark and absolutely has to do with Israel continuing to expand it’s settlements and designation of heritage sites in occupied territory. Israel is stalling any local growth programs and refusing permits to Palestinian expansion of their own towns while moving forward with its own ambitious plans.

The WSJ can scratch its head all it likes. Everyone involved knows what is going on and it stinks and threatens US national security.

lexhamfox on March 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Dear Allies (and Americans):

Hang on. The Republicans are coming (back).

capitalist piglet on March 15, 2010 at 2:33 PM
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mmm,mmm,mmm!

ohiobabe on March 15, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Israel is stalling any local growth programs and refusing permits to Palestinian expansion of their own towns while moving forward with its own ambitious plans.

lexhamfox on March 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Sounds like they’re just taking some ‘living space’ from their neighbors. Now where oh where have we seen that tactic before?

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:47 PM

How can Jews continure to support him? A quick look at history shows that Jewish “progressives” continued to support Stalin even after he signed on with Hitler in 1939. Jewish Progressives will defend that alliance to this day.

People of Jewish ancestry in the US fall into three groups. A small number of religiously faithful Jews, an even smaller number of secular Jewish conservatives and the remaining 80% are Communists

jerryofva on March 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM

What a load of nonsense. The reason for the flap between the two nations is obvious and and stark and absolutely has to do with Israel continuing to expand it’s settlements and designation of heritage sites in occupied territory. Israel is stalling any local growth programs and refusing permits to Palestinian expansion of their own towns while moving forward with its own ambitious plans.

The WSJ can scratch its head all it likes. Everyone involved knows what is going on and it stinks and threatens US national security.

lexhamfox on March 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM
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What a load of Cra_p. First, The Arabs have no desire for a two state solution because they got that in 1921 when the Arabs got 66% of Israel and that is now called Jordan. Second, as for the 3 state solution which is what the world has been pushing on the Jews, well the Arabs have turned that down at least 4 times. Third, the Arabs are building in Judea and Samaria, they are ones doing the occupation.
Fourth, Obama advisor and national security council member Samantha Powers has proposed that US Troops attack Israel.

The Arabs have received many more billions than has Israel and what have they done: killed women and children, bombed and terrorized and used their own children as cannon fodder.

Wake up lexhanfox, you are either an Islamist radical or ignorant. You choose

georgealbert on March 15, 2010 at 2:51 PM

I see one our resident anti-semites is still with us. Jerusalem is Israeli territory and is such they can build whatever they want on it.

jerryofva on March 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM

A small number of religiously faithful Jews, an even smaller number of secular Jewish conservatives and the remaining 80% are Communists

jerryofva on March 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Very interesting opinon. If it’s true, that would go a long way toward explaining all the “TEH JOOZ RUN EVERYTHING!” sentiment that keeps popping up. Communists want to run everything, and if that big a percentage of Jews are Communist or have similar ideas…not much of a leap in logic to assume they really do want to run the show.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM

……it’s difficult to see why the Administration has chosen this occasion to spark a full-blown diplomatic crisis with its most reliable Middle Eastern ally.

How so?

We give Israel a ton of money, get nothing in return, and our interests in the region are often at odds with Israel’s. Israel does not share intelligence with us and conduct an aggressive spying campaign in our country.

How are they more “friendly” to us than say…..Egypt?

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Not much sympathy here……Jewish voters as a block voted for Zero just behind African Americans….approximately 80%

Elections have consequences folks…..all the signs were there, unless of course you became a member of the Hope and Change zombie cult and were chanting O-Bam-A, O–Bam–A, O–Bam–A

PatriotRider on March 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Jerusalem is Israeli territory and is such they can build whatever they want on it.

jerryofva on March 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Says who? Israel didn’t even exist as a nation for over a millennium. ‘American’ land once belonged to others before we slaughtered and scared the natives into submission. That’s how most nations come to be, really.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM

God forbid that Israel ever be in better hands than the United States. As soon as we abandon Israel, we will discover just exactly what that means. God help us.

spmat on March 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Says who?

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Someone you don’t want to mess with.

spmat on March 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Don’t all Muslims hate Israel?

notagool on March 15, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Probably not the Muslims that are Israeli.
However, hatred of Israel is distressingly common among us atheists.

Count to 10 on March 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

I don’t like this at all. Israel is our ally, picking a fight with friends is not a smart move.

Oh, and I think Obama also threw (another friend) Georgia, under the bus by making a pact with Russia.

TN Mom on March 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Says who? Israel didn’t even exist as a nation for over a millennium. ‘American’ land once belonged to others before we slaughtered and scared the natives into submission. That’s how most nations come to be, really.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Some simple advice that will help you get through life a lot easier:

Get over it. You may as well complain about NASA’s junkyard on the moon.

Nobody cares. On the other hand, what would a solution be to correct all those historical tragedies?

BobMbx on March 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Someone you don’t want to mess with.

spmat on March 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Who? Some Jew spy? You?

If you’re making a reference to the Almighty, you are conveniently forgetting that the Jewish people lost their God-given land by demanding a king and acting just as bad as their neighbors. As punishment, God allowed a number of foreign empires to run roughshod over them until what was left of their occupied nation finally disintigrated.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM

‘American’ land once belonged to others before we slaughtered and scared the natives into submission.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Some of what is now the US was settled, but most of it wasn’t — it just had nomads roaming around using up the resources they lived on.

Count to 10 on March 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Nobody cares.

Apparently not. As Cherokee survivor once told me that white American men don’t even get the irony behind calling themselves “Promise Keepers”.

On the other hand, what would a solution be to correct all those historical tragedies?

BobMbx on March 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM

We could start keeping our promises, and stop trying to carve out nations by fiat and firepower.

…in other words, things we’re never likely to do.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Some Jew spy?

can somebody explain this comment ?

runner on March 15, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I don’t like this at all. Israel is our ally, picking a fight with friends is not a smart move.

Oh, and I think Obama also threw (another friend) Georgia, under the bus by making a pact with Russia.

TN Mom on March 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

I seriously don’t understand Obama’s foreign policy. It makes no sense whatsoever. What is his end game?

Maybe the real goal is to confuse the world so much they leave us alone?

The Obama doctrine: Yeah we’re nuts, but we have nukes, so don’t mess with us! What?

How has Obama’s weird apologies and coziness with brutal dictators helped anything.

It just doesn’t make any sense at all!

petunia on March 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

The reason for the flap between the two nations is obvious and and stark and absolutely has to do with Israel continuing to expand it’s settlements and designation of heritage sites in occupied territory. Israel is stalling any local growth programs and refusing permits to Palestinian expansion of their own towns while moving forward with its own ambitious plans.

The WSJ can scratch its head all it likes. Everyone involved knows what is going on and it stinks and threatens US national security.

lexhamfox on March 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM

You appear to be extremely confused, it’s actually Mohammedan terrorists that are occupying Israeli territory.

Those heritage sites need to be protected from said terrorists.

Israel’s land mass is 1/10 of 1% of the Middle East. Sorry if that’s too much for you. As for permits for the Fakestinians, that hideous gold dome on the Temple Mount should’ve been the last one ever granted.

mudskipper on March 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Note to my fellow American Jews:

WAKE THE HELL UP!!

The radical leftist bomb-throwers of today’s Democratic party bear absolutely no resemblance to Joe Lieberman or Ed Koch. Donkeys are no longer our friends. In fact they haven’t been for decades. Get a clue! Do not give these anti-Semitic madmen your vote ever again.

MJBrutus on March 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

can somebody explain this comment ?

runner on March 15, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Taking a sarcastic potshot at this statement:

Someone you don’t want to mess with.

spmat on March 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM

…as if I were perhaps in danger of getting a visit from some suited goon for daring to challange Israeli exceptionalism.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

lexhamfox on March 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Sounds like they’re just taking some ‘living space’ from their neighbors. Now where oh where have we seen that tactic before?

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:47 PM

The Nazi/muslim brothers are having a little lovefest. How cute. Takes me back to WWII and the Nazi-inspired jihad …

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Bambi has painted himself into a corner. He allowed himself to be influenced by multiple anti-Semites throughout his short, lackluster career. Yet through his heritage he is considered apostate by most Muslims, which is far worse than being a Christian infidel.

Gee, Mr. President, if you must be an anti-Semite, maybe you shouldn’t piss off the people that have it down pat. Now your only Jew-hating ally left is the New York Times.

TheMightyMonarch on March 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Israel is stalling any local growth programs and refusing permits to Palestinian expansion of their own towns while moving forward with its own ambitious plans.

If a local violent gang was taking over the apartment building next to you, would you consider it “stalling growth” by calling the cops?

You sound like the loons that painted Iraq as a picturesque utopia before we arrived.

TheMightyMonarch on March 15, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Yay, the Paulbot/Stormfronters have come out to play!

They only ever emerge from their fetid swamps to defend their freaky cult leader and to make Nazi analogies.

mudskipper on March 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM

How can Jews continure to support him? A quick look at history shows that Jewish “progressives” continued to support Stalin even after he signed on with Hitler in 1939. Jewish Progressives will defend that alliance to this day.

People of Jewish ancestry in the US fall into three groups. A small number of religiously faithful Jews, an even smaller number of secular Jewish conservatives and the remaining 80% are Communists

jerryofva on March 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM

If Obama gets his way and we do go communist… it will fail. It always does. And who will be blamed? The Jews. Every totalitarian dictator goes after the Jews! I don’t understand why but they do!

You would think that history would make Jews favor self-government. I really am confused about why this group of all groups chooses socialism. It may be stereotypical but as a group they seem to fair rather well under capitalism and rather badly under communism. Why don’t they vote their own best interests!

I hope that isn’t racist. But I don’t understand the voting patterns!

petunia on March 15, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Well Obama’s plan for Israel is to help the Arabs destroy it. That’s his plan for peace in the middle east … eliminate one side … the Israeli side.

HondaV65 on March 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM

The Nazi/muslim brothers are having a little lovefest. How cute. Takes me back to WWII and the Nazi-inspired jihad …

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:10 PM

I knew it wouldn’t be long before name-calling passed as debate.

I’d rather you pinpoint all the benefits our nation recieves from our “good friend” Israel.

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM

…as if I were perhaps in danger of getting a visit from some suited goon for daring to challange Israeli exceptionalism.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM

you are not that important

runner on March 15, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Well Obama’s plan for Israel is to help the Arabs destroy it.

HondaV65 on March 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Close, but The Precedent is looking to help EUROPE destroy Israel … after Israel’s does the world’s heavy lifting and takes out Iran’s nuke program. We saw inklings of what is to happen back during Europe’s absolutely insane reaction to Israel’s Gaza offensive to stop Hamas rocketing into Isreal with impunity. The difference is that The Precedent is going to jump in with Europe after the Iran operation and attack Israel (by embargoes and possibly a blockade) and attempt to wipe Israel off the map.

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM

I’d go with a variation on the Iran theme. Could it be that the administration is trying to buy time on the Iran issue by escalating its war of words with Israel until it can get more nations behind sanctions? One thing is certain, the war of words from the administration is way out of whack with the deed,and, therefore, there is a strong back story we have yet to learn.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

The CJ Political Report on March 15, 2010 at 3:25 PM

I’d rather you pinpoint all the benefits our nation recieves from our “good friend” Israel.

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Please. We get more than our money’s worth in intelligence from Israel, and that’s just the tip of it.

Maybe you can pinpoint what the US gets for giving almost as much to Egypt? But, that wouldn’t concern you, I guess. You would have been very at home hanging out with the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti in Berlin. They’re your kind of people.

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Sounds like they’re just taking some ‘living space’ from their neighbors. Now where oh where have we seen that tactic before?

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 2:47 PM

A buffer zone from suicide bombers is “living space”?

How very ironic.

Hamas wants to die for Allah and Israel can well accomodate that wish – it’s a win-win.

Time to end the fighting with a devastating win for Israel.

NoDonkey on March 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Another possible strategy is to distance the US from any potential Israeli actions against Iran.

Ya think?:

Hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs are being shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.
[...]
“They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran,” said Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the University of London, co-author of a recent study on US preparations for an attack on Iran. “US bombers are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours,” he added.

The preparations were being made by the US military, but it would be up to President Obama to make the final decision. He may decide that it would be better for the US to act instead of Israel, Plesch argued.

“The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely,” he added. “The US … is using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions.”

Oh boy… History repeats. Welcome to the Second Great Depression and WWIII!

Either the Obama administration has really decided to throw Israel under the bus, or … well, what other interpretation can be made from their rhetoric on settlements in Jerusalem?

Please.

But relax: while they may differ over the timing of new public housing projects, their hearts beat as one when it comes to wreaking death and destruction on the disobedient Persians.

Go team!

Rae on March 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Here is an idea, why don’t all the antisemites stop using all the technology developed by and in Israel,just to show them ?

runner on March 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM

You Racists with your ‘Guilt By Association”!

Just because paranoid Hannity had to attack Dear Leader for remarks He never heard at a chuch He used to attend and which remarks He rejected in the best speech on black theology ever made, doesn’t mean He has any radical beliefs or attitudes relating to America or its allies.

You don’t think that our media would fail to unmask a Jew hating, Muslim marxist? Or help him to be elected POTUS, do you?

Why, he was raised by a ‘typical white person’!

IlikedAUH2O on March 15, 2010 at 3:34 PM

The last possibility, which the Journal poses, is probably right:

There is one further plausible possibility: The White House is in utter chaos. There’s no leadership there: Barry’s not displayed any talent for it, and by now it should be plain to all that the lacks the intellectual capacity to handle Beltway Barracudas.

mr.blacksheep on March 15, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Don’t you remember in my auto-bi-o-graphy that me ‘n Billy wrote what I said?

I’m gonna side with the Muzzies!

There… I said it !

Ogabe on March 15, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Rae on March 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Could you explain what you are talking about? Do we have ANOTHER war crazed POTUS? Is that it?

IlikedAUH2O on March 15, 2010 at 3:38 PM

I’d rather you pinpoint all the benefits our nation recieves from our “good friend” Israel.

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Israel contributes more to humanity than all 57 members of the OIC combined.

Israel21c.com

Pick any page at random and compare it to the past 100 years of Islamic innovations.

mudskipper on March 15, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Well this thread went to hell in a handbasket in no time flat. It didn’t take long for everyone defending Israel to be called Nazis and everyone not defending Israel to be anti-Semites.

BohicaTwentyTwo on March 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM

“What is Obama thinking by attacking Israel?”

See, there’s the problem right there; they’re assuming there’s ‘thinking’ going on. Wrong.

I guess some might call me racist so I’ll denounce myself in advance: I’m a Raaaaacist!!

Obama was raised as a Muslim, was taught in an Islamic school overseas, spent unknown amounts of time on the streets of Chicago as a black youth and then on to an Ivy league school, returned to Chicago and cavorted and conspired with Anarchists and Communists, went to a Black Nationalist style church led by a known anti-semite and you wonder if he has a bit of anti-Jewish tendency in his thinking?

The wonder would be if he didn’t have any after all the folks he’s fellow-traveled with since his birth.

jcw46 on March 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM

M

uslims consider a child muslim if their father was muslim.

jukin on March 15, 2010 at 1:40 PM

They also consider a child a nifty way to blow people up.

chunderroad on March 15, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Rae on March 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Just went to one of your sites. Well…so the nonexistant WMDS are a gift that keeps giving aren’t they?

So now we plw the same fields of nonsense that were plowed a million times before.

What did Saddam gas the Kurds with? Wasn’t he just charming and forthcoming about his weapons programs, too?

People still talk the same smack as you about Hitler. Why, oh why did we have to have WWII?

Hello, invading neighbors and using WMDs tends to get attention bubbie. And you had a wounded superpower on the other side of the world asking questions and giving you warnings.

President Bush had burning civilians to watch. Assuming you ever had any authority in your life, how sensitive would you be?

And then you get intelligence that Saddam had a nation of twenty million under his heel and was nuts.

I hope this is simple enough for you.

IlikedAUH2O on March 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM

If you’re making a reference to the Almighty, you are conveniently forgetting that the Jewish people lost their God-given land by demanding a king and acting just as bad as their neighbors. As punishment, God allowed a number of foreign empires to run roughshod over them until what was left of their occupied nation finally disintigrated.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Start with Ezekiel 37:1 and read till verse 14.

If you want to stick your finger in the eye of God, that’s your choice, but America’s erstwhile support of Israel has been one of the few things that has kept us from bearing the full wrath of God as a nation. Europe has given itself over to the hatred of Israel, indeed the whole world has done so, but they have their roles to play yet. We were Israel’s last line of defense, in a worldly sense. We are racing to a place where we will be Israel’s enemy. That will be our end.

God has built a hedge around this nation, blessed it beyond measure, made it the greatest country this world has ever seen, both materially and in breadth of freedoms afforded its people. We exist and have our substance because God has protected us. We ought not to exist. We shouldn’t have won our independence. We shouldn’t have survived our chaotic birth and violent childhood. We shouldn’t have come to be what we are today. But we have. We are the world’s unwanted, but for whatever reason, God wanted us to survive and thrive as a nation.

We’ve done so much to spite God, spit in his face, curse Him, his Law, his Son and his name that to abandon Israel, I fear, would be the last straw. God will abandon us, leave us to ourselves and our own devices. We have no hope in that event. America’s greatness is entirely due to God’s goodness. Devoid of his goodness, we have no claim to greatness.

spmat on March 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Now I’m really starting to miss Bush. I supported him for eight years, and knew I’d miss a real American for president. This Progressive Commie really sucks the big wazoo…………..

adamsmith on March 15, 2010 at 3:53 PM

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM

The Ottoman Empire fought with the Nazis in WWII, and Dinner Jacket and his friends deny the Holocaust (and now 911!) to this day. Calling things by their proper names is not quite the same as name-calling!

chunderroad on March 15, 2010 at 3:54 PM

“…seeing as the Israeli lobbyists have such a powerful influence on the US”

*snicker* The pro-Israel Lobby in the US is composed mostly of conservative Americans. Very few of whom are Jews. The people of the US like Israel, that’s were the powerful influence comes from.

LarryD on March 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM

I’d rather you pinpoint all the benefits our nation recieves from our “good friend” Israel.

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Please. We get more than our money’s worth in intelligence from Israel, and that’s just the tip of it.

Maybe you can pinpoint what the US gets for giving almost as much to Egypt? But, that wouldn’t concern you, I guess. You would have been very at home hanging out with the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti in Berlin. They’re your kind of people.

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

No kidding! So many medical and technology advances come out of Israel it’s astonding…and from such a small popluation. These “Iglorious Posters” do not know how to “goggle” but know how to salute their “Fuhrer.”

papabrody on March 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Just went to one of your sites. Well…so the nonexistant WMDS are a gift that keeps giving aren’t they?

IlikedAUH2O on March 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Good post, Goldwater fan. I like to add this part in answer to those who bleat on incessantly about WMDs and Iraq:

Stop with this WMD drivel. already. The Iraq War stopped more WMDs than anyone ever thought would be found in Iraq. If it hadn’t been for Bush scaring the living sh!t out of the arabs (for a moment, until he lost his nerve) Libya never would have capitulated, turned over its entire nuclear program and we would not have gotten that deep insight into the AQ Khan network, which was the REAL WMD problem. The Iraq War ended up netting far more WMD than anyone had imagined, and much more important WMD than anything.

So, please stop with this silly “No WMD” argument about Iraq. It is untrue and ignores both the fact that Iraq was known to have WMDs before we let them throw us out and the more important fact that shutting down the AQ Khan network was one of the most important intelligence coups of the last few decades – and that was specifically connected to Iraq and the powerful way it was done (to start, at least).

I don’t know why no one ever talks about the AQ Khan network and the critical role the Iraq invasion played in allowing us to fully identify it and roll it up.

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:59 PM

LarryD on March 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Deny it all you like, it’s still true. Though they have a powerful motivation: Uncle Sam’s little Jewish nephew would be in dire straits if he wasn’t getting propped up 24/7.

If we were ever to get sick of the bloody tit-for-tat between and leave both sides to fend for themselves, Israel would be in a truly desperate situation. Their reincarnated nation is not the country created and shielded by God that it once was…but an artificial construct of powerful Western nations.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM

One name: Samantha Power

rlwo2008 on March 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM

The sudden hostility coming from this administration

Nothing sudden about it.

Sharr on March 15, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Their reincarnated nation is not the country created and shielded by God that it once was…but an artificial construct of powerful Western nations.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM

By that same reasoning, the original “true” Israel was only an artificial construct of the Egyptian pharaohs; i.e. an artificial race distinction incubated for the sake of maintaining a perpetually enslaved underclass. Israel started as a family of 12 sons and became a nation because Egypt “engineered” it. Had they been allowed to leave, they would have dispersed throughout the region and never come to be the nation they did.

My point: the same God that brought Israel out of Egypt in a wake of miracles, sustained it in the wilderness and brought it into the land is the same God that watches over it today. Oppose “Uncle Sam’s little Jewish nephew” at your peril.

spmat on March 15, 2010 at 4:17 PM

but an artificial construct of powerful Western nations.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM

LOL. Which ones and how did they construct Israel? I guess they were secretly fighting for Israel, too – especially during ’48, when the “powerful Western nations” all expected Israel to be pushed into the sea by the arabs – British trained arabs, in many cases. And the same went for the rest of the wars the arabs have waged on Isreal, though they were mostly Soviet clients during the Cold War period – something else you Nazi/muslim sympathizers like to forget about when you ask, “Why does the US care about Israel?” But, you’re too stupid to remember anything so trivial and small … like the Cold War.

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Morrissey’s first sentence:

Either the Obama administration has really decided to throw Israel under the bus, or … well, what other interpretation can be made from their rhetoric on settlements in Jerusalem?

This kind of hyperbolic nonsense is why I frequently skip reading Morrissey’s posts altogether. I detest Obama, his sycophants and everything they stand for, but anyone with a brain knows they are simply playing hardball to get concessions, not trying to “throw Israel under the bus.” Morrissey himself admits as much later in his post, by listing possible reasons for the “escalation.” (No other interpretations, huh?) So the first sentence is nothing more than a baseless and provocative turn of phrase, worthy of dKos or DU.

Blech.

Splashman on March 15, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at _:__PM

Just wow.

hillbillyjim on March 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I’d rather you pinpoint all the benefits our nation recieves from our “good friend” Israel.

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Please. We get more than our money’s worth in intelligence from Israel, and that’s just the tip of it.

Maybe you can pinpoint what the US gets for giving almost as much to Egypt? But, that wouldn’t concern you, I guess. You would have been very at home hanging out with the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti in Berlin. They’re your kind of people.

neurosculptor on March 15, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Or what the US gets for the nearly $1 BILLION Obama gave to Hamas….

TN Mom on March 15, 2010 at 4:56 PM

The administration likes to have crisis looming on the horizon internationally. It distracts from how they railroad their unpopular domestic agenda down our throats.

paulsur on March 15, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Remember how twitterpated I got when someone asked an asinine question as to whether Sean Penn was a Jew (which was not germane to the thread AT ALL)? Remember how a bunch of people accused me of being hypersensitive about it? Remember how people told me to stop being so hypersensitive about being a Jew and the rampant Anti-Semitism increasing in the U.S.?

Now look at this thread….
I’m being hypersensitive how?

mjk on March 15, 2010 at 5:05 PM

The Ottoman Empire fought with the Nazis in WWII, and Dinner Jacket and his friends deny the Holocaust (and now 911!) to this day. Calling things by their proper names is not quite the same as name-calling!chunderroad on March 15, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I\’m probably on your side, but the Ottoman Empire was dissolved in the 1920s and WWII didn\’t begin until 1939.

baldilocks on March 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Its just something that muslums have always done and will always do.

bluegrass on March 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM

I knew it wouldn’t be long before name-calling passed as debate.

I’d rather you pinpoint all the benefits our nation recieves from our “good friend” Israel.

David2.0 on March 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Sticking to the military benefits, the United States only began selling weapons to Israel in 1964 (with matching arms sales to Jordan to maintain “even-handedness”) and only took the side of Israel diplomatically in the run-up to the Six-Day War in 1967. The immediate fruit of this was an Israeli victory over three Soviet client states (primarily Egypt and Syria, but also Iraq), a severe embarrassment to the Soviet Union, which had helped instigate the war and had armed those three countries.

The United States then became Israel’s main military supplier during the War of Attrition, in response to the massive Soviet re-armament of Syria and Egypt. The Yom Kippur war in 1973 saw an American ally again victorious over Soviet client states in what was now also a triumph of American arms over Soviet arms. All during this period, Israel shared with the United States information about, and access to, the Soviet technology that it had captured.

In 1981, Israel carried out an air raid on Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor, destroying it. Without this, Saddam Hussein may have possessed nuclear weapons by the time he invaded Kuwait in 1990. The cost of this alone to the United States would have been tremendous.

This comment is already overlong, so I’ll simply close by mentioning the recent Israeli raid on Syria’s nuclear program, that the United States military benefits greatly from Israel’s development of weapons and other military equipment, and that Israel supplies the United States with invaluable intelligence about terrorist activities.

DKCZ on March 15, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Obama has promised to drive the Joos into the sea . Obama ak-bar

borntoraisehogs on March 15, 2010 at 5:25 PM

can somebody explain this comment ?
runner on March 15, 2010 at 3:06 PM

So far, Dark-Star claims that Israeli lobbyists have a powerful influence on the US, that Israeli construction of homes in Jerusalem is Nazism, that Jews are communists trying to seize control of everything, that because the state of Israel hasn’t always existed that it has no right to exist, that God doesn’t want the state of Israel to exist, and that Israel is the construct of unspecified Western nations. He probably also thinks that Dreyfus was guilty.

DKCZ on March 15, 2010 at 5:35 PM

So you agree that it was their land until foreigner’s invaded.

blink on March 15, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Don’t put words in my mouth, wingnut, I don’t wanna know where your hand has been.

It was their land until God finally became fed up with them…little things like offering live children in pagan sacrifices, abusing the poor, and generally conducting themselves like intoxicated baboons.

The concept of ‘owning’ land is simply an invented idea we find very convenient for the purposes of modern civilization, and not one that’s going to go away anytime soon.

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Jews like baboons ? That is straight out of Mein Kampf.

runner on March 15, 2010 at 5:58 PM

DKCZ on March 15, 2010 at 5:35 PM

good summary, that

runner on March 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM

I really with the “Obama is a Muslim” crap could drop by the wayside so we could really reflect on the intellectual shortcomings of this administration. As soon as you try to make it a religious argument you’re throwing reason out the window, and reason is a good tool to have on your side in an argument.

This administration has a pattern of alienating our democratic allies, and to favor hostile regimes. The burden needs to be on them to explain it.

grahsco on March 15, 2010 at 1:57 PM
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And you are showing your lack of knowledge.

You can play their game and try and hold their feet to the fire and get them to “explain”… but ALL you will get is LIES.

WHY? Because they are LIARS.

What do expect from liars? The TRUTH!!!!

You are a fool if you expect the truth from liars.

This is about understanding and KNOWING who these people ARE.

islam is NOT some feel good religion. islam is a DEATH CULT.

I’m not going into details of islam, you need to. Know and understand what this EVIL cult is REALLY about.

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ms on March 15, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Jews like baboons ? That is straight out of Mein Kampf.

runner on March 15, 2010 at 5:58 PM

just be clear the above comment is referencing Sturmabteilung Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM

runner on March 15, 2010 at 6:02 PM

OK, can someone explain to me HOW the American-Jewish people support this man for president?

deidre on March 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM

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Because they have turned their backs on God.

I wouldn’t want to be them because he will be disciplining them.

It won’t be pretty.

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ms on March 15, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Question of the day, why do jewish people vote for Democrats? The Dems do NOT support Israel. I just don’t get it.

karenhasfreedom on March 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM

I was born and raised a cradle Jewish conservative and my parents HATED liberal Jews. My father used to refer to the Jewish left as still having a ‘ghetto mentality’.
My parents problem with the democrats was/is(my father died in’01) wasn’t so much that they hate Israel-though that was part of it-it was that the left hated America!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM

Jews like baboons ? That is straight out of Mein Kampf.

runner on March 15, 2010 at 5:58 PM

My bad! Never read that piece of c–p, never want to. Was making a reference to the eye-for-an-eye behavior that is so common in that region from BOTH sides.

OK, can someone explain to me HOW the American-Jewish people support this man for president?

deidre on March 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM

1. Delusion.

2. Naivete.

3. Self-hate.

4. Oppose some Israeli actions and want punishment by proxy.

5. Some combination of the above

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM

Because they have turned their backs on God.

I wouldn’t want to be them because he will be disciplining them.
It won’t be pretty.

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ms on March 15, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Why-because they don’t accept Jesus or is because many Jews of the left are secularists who have made liberalism their god.

Though I was baptized an evangelical in 1996 and am being accepted into full communion with the Catholic church on April 3rd I trust that what you meant was the latter rather than the former!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 15, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Dark Star & david2.0 ask what benefit Israel is to the United States? Here are a few examples from Dr. Steve Carol.. And I stress, these are just a FEW examples of tangible things for those lacking the depth, or human spirit to understand the intangibles that real friends provide EACH OTHER. Those bonds which cannot be easily defined in words.

• In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country’s location and unique capabilities.

• In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the “Top Gun” squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after every conflict: 1967, 1967-70, 1973, 1982, 1990 (Scud remnants from the Gulf War), and 2006 (remnants of Iranian supplied missiles.

• In the 1967-1970 1000 Day War of Attrition, the IDF, armed with American aircraft successfully defeated a Soviet-supplied air defense system, pointing out the deficiencies in Soviet air-defense doctrine to US defense planners. Israel shared captured military equipment include P-2 radar and Soviet tanks with the U.S. military.

• In 1970, Israel brought about the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Jordan, at a time when the U.S. was tied up by wars in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, thus preventing the fall of the pro-American Hashemite regime and the installation of a pro-Soviet radical Palestinian terrorist regime.

• In 1973 – thanks to U.S. re-supply, but without U.S. forces, Israel defeated Soviet-trained and equipped Egyptian and Syrian forces. Israel again shared captured Soviet equipment, including T-62 battle tanks with the U.S. Israel emerged as the only reliable ally where U.S. troops could land, where U.S. equipment can be pre-positioned, where the U.S. has friendly port facilities (in Haifa and Ashdod) in the entire Middle East region. This too has saved the U.S. billions of dollars.

• 1970s – Joseph Sisco, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, assistant to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during the latter’s shuttle diplomacy, told the Israeli author and military expert, Shmuel Katz: “I want to assure you, Mr. Katz, that if we were not getting full value for our money, you would not get a cent from us.”

• In 1981, Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, delaying Saddam Hussein’s quest for nuclear weapons. It thus provided the U.S. with the option of engaging in conventional wars with Iraq in 1991 and 2003.

• The vice president General Dynamics which produces the F16 fighter jets has stated that Israel is responsible for 600 improvements in the plane’s systems, modifications estimated to be worth billions of dollars, which spared dozens of research and development years.

• In 1982, Israel destroyed Soviet anti-aircraft batteries in Lebanon that were considered immune to American weapons. Israel promptly shared the operation’s lessons, estimated to be worth billions of dollars.

• Former Secretary of State and NATO forces commander Alexander Haig has stated that he is pro-Israeli because Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.

• During the first Gulf War 1991, Israel provided invaluable intelligence, an umbrella of air cover for military cargo, and had personnel planted in the Iraqi desert to pick up downed American pilots.

• General George Keegan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence has publicly declared that “Israel is worth five CIA’s.” He further stated that between 1974 and 1990, Israel received $18.3 billion in U.S. military grants. During the same period Israel provided the U.S. with $50-80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings, and Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred to the U.S.

• In 2005, Israel provided America with the world’s most extensive experience in homeland defense and warfare against suicide bombers and car bombs. American soldiers train in IDF facilities and Israeli-made drones fly above the “Sunni Triangle” in Iraq, as well as in Afghanistan, providing U.S. Marines with vital intelligence.

• In September 2007, the IAF destroyed a Syrian-North Korean nuclear plant, extending the US’s strategic arm. It provided the US with vital information on Russian air defense systems, which are also employed by Iran. It bolstered the US posture of deterrence and refuted the claim that US-Israel relations have been shaped by political expediency.

• In 2009, Israel shares with the US its battle-tested experience in combating Palestinian and Hizbullah terrorism, which are the role model of anti-US Islamic terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. US GIs benefit from Israel’s battle tactics against car bombs, improvised explosive devices and homicide bombing. An Israel-like ally in the Persian Gulf would have spared the need to dispatch US troops to Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

• Israel has relayed to the U.S. lessons of battle (during the Cold War – Soviet military doctrine) and counter-terrorism (including aircraft security, homicide-suicide bombings) which reduce American losses in Iraq and Afghanistan, prevent attacks on U.S. soil, upgrade American weapons, and contribute to the U.S. economy. Without Israel, the U.S. would have been forced to deploy tens of thousands of American troops in the eastern Mediterranean Basin, at a cost of billions of dollars a year.

• Senator Daniel Inouye has recently (2005) argued Israeli information regarding Soviet arms saved the U.S. billions of dollars. The contribution made by Israeli intelligence to America is greater than that provided by all NATO countries combined, he said.

• Israel’s utilization of American arms guarantees its existence, but at the same time gives U.S. military industries, such as Boeing and General Dynamics, a competitive edge compared to European industries, while also boosting American military production, producing American jobs, and improving America’s national security. Japan and South Korea, for example, preferred the “Hawkeye” spy plane and the MD-500 chopper, both purchased and upgraded by Israel, over comparable British and French aircraft.

• The American industries want U.S. aid to Israel to continue. The bulk of the $1.8 billion in annual U.S. military aid to Israel must be spent in the United States. That provides jobs for some 50,000 U.S. workers. Virtually all of the $1.2 billion in annual economic aid goes for repayment of debt to the United States, incurred from military purchases dating back many years. This debt is now close to being liquidated.

• Innovative Israeli technologies have a similar effect on American civilian, including computer-related industries and agricultural industries, which view Israel as a successful research and development site.

• Members of the U.S. Congress leaders, then Vice President Dick Cheney, and then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld are aware of Israel’s unique contribution to U.S. interests. But, in fact, they all wonder why the post-1993 Israel does not use its impressive contribution as leverage, in sharp contrast to the pre-1993 Israel.

• In contrast to our commitments to Korea, Japan, Germany and other parts of the world, not a single American serviceperson needs to be stationed in Israel. Considering that the cost of one serviceperson per year – including backup and infrastructure – is estimated to be about $200,000 per year, and assuming a minimum contingent of 25,000 troops, the cost savings to the United States on that score alone are on the order of $5 billion a year.

saus on March 15, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Jews like baboons ? That is straight out of Mein Kampf.

runner on March 15, 2010 at 5:58 PM
My bad! Never read that piece of c–p, never want to. Was making a reference to the eye-for-an-eye behavior that is so common in that region from BOTH sides.

OK, can someone explain to me HOW the American-Jewish people support this man for president?

deidre on March 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM
1. Delusion.

2. Naivete.

3. Self-hate.

4. Oppose some Israeli actions and want punishment by proxy.

5. Some combination of the above

Dark-Star on March 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM

Israel does a lot more for America than you give them credit for you little Jew-hating pile of crap bastard. And you most likely have memorized Mein Kampf, a–hole. You know what would really make you sh-t in your pants? Jews armed and ready to defend themselves from insignificant c-cks-ckers like you. Icing you would make my day that’s for sure.

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 15, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Attacking Israel? Who cares about that expensive, violent pile of sand? Let other people die for that idiocy that is the Arab Israeli conflict. If people want to die for their fictional characters let’em.

If and when the Southwest becomes the Mexican version of Israel it will be interesting to see the reaction of many of the remote location Zionists on this thread. Areas of the Southwest US are similar to “Israel” one hundred years ago. Viva Reconquista? How long would it take you to get over it? Arab Israeli conflict is an irrational situation, let’em off each other, more resources for us.

LevStrauss on March 15, 2010 at 8:36 PM

The Arab Israeli conflict is one where the world should come together and only agree to sell them weapons a step above rocks. Let them fight like gladiators for us all to see. These video game wars aren’t quite as satisfying for the imperialist’s bloodthirst. Think of it, full of entertainment, they’d probably cancel Idol. They’re fighting for their skygods so you know they’re serious. Then you got the holy land full of blood, you christers drink that every Sunday, I figure blood from the “holy” land would be like Christal you guys.

LevStrauss on March 15, 2010 at 8:46 PM

So Israel deliberately chumps us off and it sparks a “Blame America First” rally on Hot Air.

Why do you hate America?

chumpThreads on March 15, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Never assign to malice alone what can be explained by incompetence.

Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive.

Cylor on March 15, 2010 at 9:14 PM

So Israel deliberately chumps us off and it sparks a “Blame America First” rally on Hot Air.

Why do you hate America?

chumpThreads on March 15, 2010 at 9:12 PM

How is building apartments which are in Jerusalem-which is part of Israel proper ‘chumping us off’?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 15, 2010 at 9:33 PM

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