dogsoldier on March 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Oh they can’t be bothered by those trite, pesky rules. They’ll do what they want, pass what they want, any way they want, and worry about any repurcussions later. You know…those repurcussions that will probably never come.

The only way they can do anything is to pass the actual senate bill. Otherwise they either have to go to conference or the Senate has to pass this new house bill.

If they pass the shell bill Bozo cant sign anything because it has not been passed by both houses.

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!!!

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told a group of bloggers and reporters today that “I have no intention of not passing this bill. . .I have faith in my members that we will be passing this legislation.”

In an effort to counter-program the clear mistrust between House liberals and the Senate, Pelosi said she had
“asked [the Senate] to show me what it is they can show me that I would be able to convince my members to go forward,” and added that she was “willing to trust the Senate that they are able to pass the reconciliation package.”

NRO.

Interesting at this time that Harry still can’t provide assurances. His 51 votes are mostly just “open” to the “process” of reconciliation, and are no doubt waiting to see what the actual reconciliation text (due tomorrow or Wednesday) will say.

The “Stupak Group” of perhaps 12 pro-life Democrats — including Reps. Bart Stupak (Mich.), Jim Oberstar (Minn.), Marion Berry (Ark.) Joe Donnelly (Ind.), and Dan Lipinksi (Ill.). — will vote “no” this time around.

Oberstar flipped without any problem. There was a story in Sunday’s local paper here in Duluth outlining his change in position. He said he can’t vote against such an important bill based on one issue (abortion).

Chewy the Lab on March 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM

We can all join the venerable sect of Alchemy and pay with gold.

Got it now?

If two states get together to demand special deals, well, come on down!

Well, it appears Soros told Obama to “Double Down” on Healthcare…

Obama, NOT knowing American society, misunderstood… again.

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Update: Meet the *16* Democrats whose votes matter most on health care

Here is our updated whip count for the expected House vote on the Senate’s health care reform bill. The House vote in November was 220-215, but three “yes” voters have since left the House and the lone Republican who supported it has promised to vote “no.” Moreover, a handful of last time’s “yes” votes were conditioned on an pro-life rider missing from the new bill. The “Stupak Group” of perhaps 12 pro-life Democrats — including Reps. Bart Stupak (Mich.), Jim Oberstar (Minn.), Marion Berry (Ark.) Joe Donnelly (Ind.), and Dan Lipinksi (Ill.). — will vote “no” this time around.

So will Rep. Mike Arcuri, D-N.Y.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will need 216 votes to guarantee passage, meaning she might need to turn at least 10 or 11 of last time’s “no” voters to win for sure.

The members in red are the ones most likely to drop their opposition, flip and vote “yes” this time:

John Adler, N.J. – On Fox News Sunday, he didn’t quite rule out voting “yes”: “If the House and the Senate can’t work out cost containment, I don’t see how I support a bill that doesn’t help our business community and create more jobs, he said.” (Fox News Sunday, Mar. 7, 2010)

Jason Altmire, Pa. – Altmire equivocated this weekend on Fox News Sunday, saying he has an “open mind” about it. “I have to make a decision between passing this bill…or doing nothing. And I’m weighing the balance between the two.”

Brian Baird, Wash. – Baird’s office told The Examiner March 10 that he is still undecided.

John Barrow, Ga. – He always has close races in his Savannah-area district, which was made significantly more Republican through mid-decade redistricting. A “yes” vote might end his career. He has not indicated how he will vote, nor has he responded to inquiries from The Examiner.

John Boccieri, Ohio – Boccieri tells The Examiner that he is still undecided as of Mar. 10.

Rick Boucher, Va. – He is considered by the AP one of those most likely to flip. But Boucher has resisted his party’s leadership in the past — for example, when he voted against McCain-Feingold. This year, he faces the fight of his career against the state House Majority Leader. His office has not responded to inquiries by The Examiner.

Ben Chandler, Ky. – Chandler, already under fire for his support of cap-and-trade legislation last year, has given no public indication so far on his health care vote. His spokeswoman has not yet responded to inquiries by The Examiner.

Lincoln Davis, Tenn. – His office tells The Examiner that he remains undecided.

Bart Gordon, Tenn. – He is retiring, and considered by the Associated Press to be among those most likely to flip. In light of his recent comments, this seems quite likely. “He is not going to be making a final decision until he sees the final language,” he told The Examiner.

Suzanne Kosmas, Fla. – Her district was drawn for a Republican, but she defeated former Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla. by exploiting his relationship with now-imprisoned lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Her office has not responded to The Examiner’s inquiries, but some consider her a prime candidate to flip and vote “yes.”

Betsy Markey, Colo. – Her re-election chances in her Republican district could be slim in a bad year for Democrats, but she isn’t ruling out a “yes” vote. Her office has not responded to The Examiner’s inquiries.

Jim Matheson, Utah – Just as he began to contemplate his vote, President Obama appointed his brother Scott to a federal judgeship. Good timing. Matheson told The Deseret News that he is undecided. “He has not announced how he will vote,” his office told The Examiner.

Scott Murphy, N.Y. – The victor in a 2009 special election, Murphy is a fan of a single-payer health care system. His office did not reply to The Examiner’s inquiries.

Glenn Nye, Va. – Nye, who defeated former Rep. Thelma Drake, R-Va., is among those considered most likely to switch and vote “yes,” but his office did not respond to The Examiner’s inquiries.

John Tanner, Tenn. –Tanner is retiring. His staff recently released a statement that leaves him open to switching: “Until we know what that bill will include, how will it be brought to the floor and what the Congressional Budget Office says regarding its cost, there is no way for [Congressman] Tanner to declare his support or opposition.” His office did not respond to The Examiner’s inquiries.

Harry Teague, N.M. – This freshman already polls behind his Republican challenger, who previously represented his district. He has given no clear indication as to how he will vote, and his office has not responded to inquiries by The Examiner.

If it passes, he’s just marking time until getting thrown out of office by enraged voters in 2012.

I’d like to think so, I really do. Let’s face it, the bill doesn’t go into effect until 2014 and folks may not notice anything until 2015 and beyond.

I also seriously doubt any healthcare horror stories will be reported on, unless there is a way to blame Republicans somehow.