Stupak: I don’t think I can live with reconciliation

posted at 12:55 pm on March 12, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Bart Stupak (D-MI) talks with Greta van Susteren about resolving the issues within the Democratic caucuses on Capitol Hill — and sounds decidedly pessimistic. That’s good news, especially since Stupak makes clear that abortion is hardly the only issues on the table. The funding mechanisms are completely different, and Stupak notes that Barack Obama proposed a third method of financing reform that doesn’t exist in either version of the bill. As for passing something now for the sake of passing it with a promise to fix it later, color Stupak very skeptical on that strategy:


“Tomorrow never comes,” and in this case, for good reason. How likely will the White House and Senate be to reopen debate on ObamaCare once they successfully get it off the Congressional agenda, no matter how flawed the final product was? About as likely as suddenly endorsing the Hensarling/Pence spending bill that caps the federal budget at 20% of GDP.


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It’s not so much the individual votes, it’s the psychology. Who is going to risk their necks voting yes, if it appears the bill is doomed to failure anyway?

MarkTheGreat on March 12, 2010 at 12:58 PM

It’s not so much the individual votes, it’s the psychology. Who is going to risk their necks voting yes, if it appears the bill is doomed to failure anyway?

MarkTheGreat on March 12, 2010 at 12:58 PM

I hope you’re right.

Oink on March 12, 2010 at 12:59 PM

As for passing something now for the sake of passing it with a promise to fix it later, color Stupak very skeptical on that strategy

which has more substance, Stupaks skepticism or his party affiliation? we’ll see…..

ted c on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM

skepticism is one thing, courage is another.

ted c on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Of course that was Bart Stupak’s stance during Greta’s interview. 14 things may have changed by now.

Oink on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM

They could have passed a sequence of smaller, bipartisan bills related to interstate choice and the insurance dropping issues last year, and we would already be seeing a positive impact.

Instead, they tried to take over the entire system. It should tell everyone right there what their goal really has been all along – not to improve healthcare, but to make it equal.

WisCon on March 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM

I watched this last night. It was painful. I don’t know if it was his attempts not to throw his party under the bus or his general tap dancing, I didn’t really feel like I was listening to a man of conviction.

Cindy Munford on March 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Greta’s entire show last night was excellent, especially her interview with Mike Pence. She’s starting to put both BOR and Hannity to shame.

Knucklehead on March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Sounds as if a bunch of Dems want to go into the weekend telling us that they plan to vote against this mess so they can have a peacful 2 days before coming back on Monday and trying to shove it up our tailpipe.

thomasaur on March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

I think we’re seeing a war played out here within the Democratic Party. I think Pelosi and Obama are going to ensure that this train wreck happens – they want Democrats on a record as “yes” or “no” for “MoveOn” and “DKos” to target in November – or later on down the road.

I think Obama’s strategy for the Nation is the same as his strategy as leader of the Democratic Party … “Change it … or Destroy it”.

HondaV65 on March 12, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Knucklehead on March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Agreed. I think it’s because she can actually STFU. Excuse my language.

Cindy Munford on March 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM

C’mon, Bart, sign the blank check so you can find out what Nancy and Skippy wanna buy with it!

Not.

Wind Rider on March 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Sounds as if a bunch of Dems want to go into the weekend telling us that they plan to vote against this mess so they can have a peacful 2 days before coming back on Monday and trying to shove it up our tailpipe to evaluate the various bribes offered by Nancy and Rahm.

angryed on March 12, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Hopefully someone will have the foresight to see the slippery slope this is creating…Do our elected members really want to go down as dooming our country and destroying our way of government?
But then, I believed in Santa Claus until I was 12years old…I suffer from a delayed form of opptimism…

lovingmyUSA on March 12, 2010 at 1:07 PM

OT:

ED, are you planning on signing autographs tomorrow at the rally in St. Paul? I’m bringing the wife along and she wants to meet you so be prepared.

Bishop on March 12, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Stupak: “I don’t think I can live with reconciliation.”

Still scary and hedging. I’d rather he said:

“If there’s reconciliation I will vote no.”

Never trust a Dem who can be bought like a whore.

fogw on March 12, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Of course that was Bart Stupak’s stance during Greta’s interview. 14 things may have changed by now.

Oink on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM

I like what Stupak said, although he did try to pander to Cheesehead Greta with the Packers helmet! Greta has definitely been drifting right lately, after all the interviews with Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santorum.

What would Stupak say if he was interviewed by Anderson Cooper or Chris Matthews? Is he a man of conviction, or a man who tells each interviewer what they want to hear? What will he do on the House floor when this comes up for a vote?

Steve Z on March 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM

I don’t believe him This is just showboating for the folks back home (electin year, ya know). He’ll do what he’s told when the time comes.

vapig on March 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM

A Democrat with a conscience?

I don’t believe it. I won’t until I see this thing sink like the lead turd it is.

tru2tx on March 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM

It’s not so much the individual votes, it’s the psychology. Who is going to risk their necks voting yes, if it appears the bill is doomed to failure anyway?

MarkTheGreat on March 12, 2010 at 12:58 PM

I think, for a large portion of the independents, the decision has already been made concerning the risk taken. Whether this bill becomes law or not, there are a lot of Democratic necks already without heads. This creates the risk of “the parting shot” yes vote.

Don’t forget who these people are. They are not principled, honorable types. They are petty, vain, and juvenile. Some may already feel obligated to “get us back” for having their re-election plans squashed.

BobMbx on March 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Only four votes shy now. We are toast.

andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:14 PM

How many of these doomed ‘rats have already been promised sweet deals if and when they lose their political jobs? Ambassadorships, lobbyist positions, czars; anything is on the table and they might just think it’s an all around worthy scheme.

Bishop on March 12, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Greta’s entire show last night was excellent, especially her interview with Mike Pence. She’s starting to put both BOR and Hannity to shame.

Knucklehead on March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Pence sure seems to be doing a lot of media events\shows lately.

He co-hosted the Don & Roma show this week for one day.

Speaking of which, Huckabee hosted the show this morning and interviewed Mitch Daniels. I caught only the very end where he wished\hoped for more Mitch Daniels in the future. Hmmmmmmm.

WashJeff on March 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Pelosi believes he or at least his cadre will cave. For once, I agree with her. Do not trust this man.

ROCnPhilly on March 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Only four votes shy now. We are toast.
andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:14 PM

It’s impossible to be only 4 votes shy if the Stupak Group is still undecided.

joejm65 on March 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Never trust a Dem who can be bought like a whore.

fogw on March 12, 2010 at 1:08 PM

It isn’t restricted to Democrats.

This creates the risk of “the parting shot” yes vote.

BobMbx on March 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Yep. Worst thing that can happen is to have this thing still hanging around between November, 2010 and Jan., 2011.

a capella on March 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM

How many of these doomed ‘rats have already been promised sweet deals if and when they lose their political jobs? Ambassadorships, lobbyist positions, czars; anything is on the table and they might just think it’s an all around worthy scheme.

Bishop on March 12, 2010 at 1:16 PM

What has a higher probability:

A promise from Obama being kept, or rolling the dice at election time and winning?

BobMbx on March 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Only four votes shy now. We are toast.
andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Does that include Luis Gutierrez (D) apparent flip to a ‘No’ vote?

ROCnPhilly on March 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Nothing is so wretched or foolish as to anticipate misfortunes. What madness is it to be expecting evil before it comes.

–Seneca

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM

I just saw the four votes thing on Fox. They said only four votes left till they have 215.

andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM

I meant 216.

andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM

There was more transparency in Iran’s most recent election.

BKeyser on March 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM

What has a higher probability:
A promise from Obama being kept, or rolling the dice at election time and winning?
BobMbx on March 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Good point. This entire thing is starting to resemble and MC Escher art piece.

Bishop on March 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Steve Z on March 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM
.
Don’t be hatin the “W”! We are fun loving band of beer drinking, brat eating, mostly sensible folk that the rest of you all would love to party with. Say it with me now…GO PACK GO!….GO PACK GO!
.
Peace all my non-midwestern friends
.
ps – da bears still suck!

Simonsez on March 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM

This is good news. Also consider that the newest tactic of the Democrats to socialize student loans is to shove it into the ‘healthcare’ bill during reconciliation.

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Move to Oregon.

Do us a favor.

davidk on March 12, 2010 at 1:27 PM

OT: Megyn Kelly duking it out with Anthony Weiner

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2010 at 1:28 PM

I just saw the four votes thing on Fox. They said only four votes left till they have 215.

andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM

I meant 216.

andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM

How can that be without Stupak and his gang? And now the Hispanic congressman?

Oink on March 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM

I don’t know. I am just saying what was said.

andy85719 on March 12, 2010 at 1:32 PM

About as likely as suddenly endorsing the Hensarling/Pence spending bill that caps the federal budget at 20% of GDP.

I am sending this sentence to about thirty people. Three or four of whom are going to be depressed all weekend. Oh, well, it is lent…

IlikedAUH2O on March 12, 2010 at 1:33 PM

yeah, if you vote Yes based on a expectation that the Senate will sucessfully navigate reconcilliation, and then reconcilliation falls apart or is never attemtped, your constituents will recognize you for what you are.

a sucker.

DrW on March 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Some how I cannot see a bunch of politicians jumping up and down screaming “I WANT TO DIE POLITICALLY, LET ME VOTE FOR OBAMACARE SO THAT I CAN DIE FOR THE ONE!”

GarandFan on March 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Don’t be hatin the “W”! We are fun loving band of beer drinking, brat eating, mostly sensible folk that the rest of you all would love to party with. Say it with me now…GO PACK GO!….GO PACK GO!
.
Peace all my non-midwestern friends
.
ps – da bears still suck!

Simonsez on March 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Preach it, brother. And see you at the bubbler.

Mr. D on March 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM

FYI, slightly O/T, but I’m going to my first-ever Town Hall meeting this afternoon in my ultra-dinky hometown. My US Rep., Mr. Mike Pence, will be there! :)

Oink on March 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM

What a mess.

But just remember: When the government does take over health care, they’ll run it more efficiently, fairly, and better than the private sector.

Riiiiigggghhhtttt.

Those numbskulls can’t even figure out how to get a bill passed with huge majorities in both houses and we’re supposed to believe they can run 1/6 of our economy?

PackerBronco on March 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM

It isn’t restricted to Democrats.

a capella on March 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM

It is when it comes to Obamacare, and giving the finger to our Constitution.

fogw on March 12, 2010 at 1:37 PM

I am so glad to be living in the age of the Internet and 24/7 cable news…

… I can watch the destruction of this country in real time.

Seven Percent Solution on March 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Some how I cannot see a bunch of politicians jumping up and down screaming “I WANT TO DIE POLITICALLY, LET ME VOTE FOR OBAMACARE SO THAT I CAN DIE FOR THE ONE!”

GarandFan on March 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM

NOTHING surprises me anymore.

Oink on March 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM

I hope I’m wrong…..But Stupak strikes me as the drunk person at the bar that says “I’m going to hate myself in the morning for going home with this person…but screw it, I’ll deal with the walk of shame tomorrow.”

I will believe his convictions drive his vote when I see it. Why? He’s a Democrat.

search4truth on March 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM

As a Michigan man, a Conservative and a Christian Republican, I have zero confidence in Bart Stupid. If he was any good, there’d be NO iteration of ObamaCare he’d accept. Like all members of the liberal socialist democratic party, he’ll cowtow like the nothing he is.

Virus-X on March 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told her members Friday to brace themselves for a climatic health care vote as early as next week, warning them to clear their schedules for next weekend and promising to stay in session until the landmark vote, people present said afterwards.

President Barack Obama has postponed an overseas trip until March 21 presumably so he can be in Washington for the climactic vote. Asked about the scheduling change, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “I am delighted the president will be here for the passage of the bill. It is going to be historic.”

In addition, it looks like House Democrats won’t have to vote directly on a Senate bill they really don’t like. The speaker hasn’t made a final decision, but she told her rank-and-file during the meeting that the plan now is to craft a rule that would “deem” the Senate bill passed once they approve the package of fixes.

That means they would vote on the rule and the so-called reconciliation package, which would make changes to the Senate bill and only requires 51 votes to pass in the Upper Chamber. In addition, the package of changes would also include a student lending bill that was paired with health care through the reconciliation process, leaders told their members on Friday.

All of this could change if the speaker faces major resistance from her rank-and-file, but it would mean Democrats won’t be forced to cast a vote specifically in favor of the Senate bill, which included a series of controversial deals. During the meeting, party leaders reassured lawmakers that two of the most controversial deals — the so-called Cornhusker Kickback and more Medicare Advantage money for Florida — would be stripped out. But it appeared that additional Medicaid money for Louisiana and a $100 million hospital grant program requested by Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) will both stay in the final bill.

Pelosi reminded her members, as she frequently does, that she wants to make the whole process as quick and politically painless as possible, a person present said.

Otherwise, Democrats aren’t expected to allow amendments on the final package, leaders told their colleagues Friday, as is typical on down-to-the-wire votes.

Once the bill is passed, the Senate bill will go to the president for his signature, and the Senate will take up the package of changes, the speaker told her members on Friday. That lag has caused significant heartburn among House Democrats who are worried the changes will get stuck in the Senate.

Party leaders didn’t unveil specific dollar figures for the final bill, but they told members to expect more information, possibly over the weekend. Members and staff don’t think Pelosi has the votes at this point, but most believe she’s close.

Politico.

She’s going with the Slaughter Solution.

And the government is taking over the student loan business.

Wethal on March 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM

I think Pelosi is going to try and wear them down. Badger them to they bow down, and obey.

The question is…how strong is the resistance?

capejasmine on March 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Am I the only one who sees an ugly drunk-driving-underage-same-sex-child-porn scandal in Stupak’s immediate future?

factoid on March 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Friday said she will need “certain assurances” from Senate Democrats before the House votes on healthcare reform as early as next week.

Pelosi did not say what those assurances would be, but acknowledged that extracting them would be necessary to counter lingering concerns from within her caucus that the Senate will not be able to pass a reconciliation bill.

“With reconciliation, a simple majority, a constitutional majority, I think members are much more comfortable with the fact that this reconciliation will happen,” Pelosi said at her weekly press conference. “Nonetheless, there are certain assurances that they want, and that we will get from [Senate Democrats] before I ask them to take the vote.”

The Hill.

Apparently she still does not trust the Senate.

Wethal on March 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM

She’s going with the Slaughter Solution.
And the government is taking over the student loan business.
Wethal on March 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM

They open that door and I hope the entire GOP walks through it after November, passing bill after bill after bill right in the ‘rats fat faces.

Then I’m moving to Virginia.

Bishop on March 12, 2010 at 1:51 PM

They talk a good game but just wait . . . all but a small few of those jelly spine leftist Democrats will cave to their empress Pelosi. The only solution is to run every one of them off then start the rebuilding process.

rplat on March 12, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Sounds as if a bunch of Dems want to go into the weekend telling us that they plan to vote against this mess so they can have a peacful 2 days before coming back on Monday and trying to shove it up our tailpipe.

thomasaur on March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Ah, the old ‘banana in the tailpipe’ trick…

/cue Axel Foley

Midas on March 12, 2010 at 2:04 PM

skepticism is one thing, courage is another.

ted c on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM

+++1000

lovingmyUSA on March 12, 2010 at 2:10 PM

What a mess.

But just remember: When the government does take over health care, they’ll run it more efficiently, fairly, and better than the private sector.

Riiiiigggghhhtttt.

He!! – look at the Post Office. They can’t even make that profitable even when continually raising their prices. This is what healthcare will look like…no babies delivered on Saturday.

NJ Red on March 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM

the plan now is to craft a rule that would “deem” the Senate bill passed once they approve the package of fixes.

WTF does that mean? Why not just “deem” everything passed? Are we a monarchy in America now? This has got to be unconstitutional. Deeming that a bill is automatically passed if something else passes? Are you kidding me?

ROCnPhilly on March 12, 2010 at 2:14 PM

You lie, boy!
The voter: I don’t think I can live with Stupak in office anymore~get out!

HornetSting on March 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Boy, this guy is just all over the map. Seems like his strategy is “Keem em’ guessing!”

AnninCA on March 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM

about an hour and a half ago, I heard on Fox the dems were short only 4 votes to pass. . .wonder if it’s true?

Willie on March 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM

I have dealt with a lot of people, one on one, in my sales career and I believe Stupak. He seems genuinely, sincere and troubled about the whole process. Did you catch when he answered Greta’s question about what goes on in the caucus meetings? He said the same old people get up and make speeches and then you could see that he tried to make that comment a bit less caustic.

I don’t think he wants to say it but he’s pretty exasperated with the so called leadership.

Vince on March 12, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Help me out because I just don’t know; outside of wars, has this country ever devoted this much uninterrupted time to a single domestic issue?

russcote on March 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Greta’s entire show last night was excellent, especially her interview with Mike Pence. She’s starting to put both BOR and Hannity to shame.

Knucklehead on March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Her show has come a long way since it started. I like that she brings on conservative guests and asks them probing questions. On BOR, all guests are prompted to take a centrist tone. On Hannity, guests dont’ get time to answer, because Hannity spends 4 minutes asking a “question” filled with talking points. At least on Greta you can learn something from the guests.

hawksruleva on March 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Help me out because I just don’t know; outside of wars, has this country ever devoted this much uninterrupted time to a single domestic issue?

russcote on March 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM

There was stuff like the McCarthy hearings. But I can’t remember any Congress spending a year on a single piece of legislation.

hawksruleva on March 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Yes, he seems sincere. I can see the chaos. As RCP blogged, “It’s Friday, so today’s HCR plan is the following.” *haha

Even the legislators can’t keep track of the latest gimmick.

AnninCA on March 12, 2010 at 3:25 PM

And the government is taking over the student loan business.
Wethal on March 12, 2010 at 1:44 PM

I approve of that one. The Banks and the colleges turned the student loan program into a money-maker kind of deal, at the expense of students.

Wrong move.

Sometimes, the private industry, people, just really screw things up.

AnninCA on March 12, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Hopefully someone will have the foresight to see the slippery slope this is creating…
lovingmyUSA on March 12, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Slippery slope?!! dude, the slippery slope was medicare, medicaid, Schip and the altruism that fed the entitlement mentality. BO and his HC is not creating the slippery slope, he’s cashing in on all of it!

If this goes thru we’re off the cliff, my brotha.

beselfish on March 12, 2010 at 4:07 PM

I say we deem the Nov. ’08 elections fraudulent, and start over.

labrat on March 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM