SEIU warns House Dem: Vote yes or we’ll primary you

posted at 6:00 pm on March 12, 2010 by Allahpundit

Beating people is what they do best.

The Democrats can’t afford to let this thing get to the recess without a vote — the risk of another round of angry townhalls is too great — so every last stop will be pulled out over the next week. This is just the beginning.

Dem Rep Mike McMahon of New York met yesterday with a top SEIU official and told him he’s likely to vote No, the official tells me. The official: Mike Fishman, president of SEIU 32bj, the largest property workers union in the country, with 120,000 members in eight states…

“He let us know he’s not supportive of the health care plan,” Fishman says. “We’ve let him know that we can’t support somebody who doesn’t support it.”

“We are going to begin talking to other unions about finding someone else for that seat,” Fishman continued.

The reply from McMahon, formerly a union favorite: “The people of Staten Island and Brooklyn respect the Congressman because he is an independent voice, not because his is a rubber stamp for special interest politics.” His district leans slightly Republican (SI is a rare GOP stronghold in NYC), so good luck to SEIU in getting an ObamaCare-supporting liberal elected there in November. That’s assuming, of course, that they’re serious about this threat, which they probably aren’t. You’ve all likely read the Pat Caddell/Doug Schoen warning to Democrats in WaPo this morning that they’re staring at an unholy beating in November, one that’s apt to become even more unholy if they go ahead and take the plunge on this travesty. But as Mark Steyn’s argued all along, why should they care? At this point they’re going to be spanked no matter what they do, in which case why not achieve a long-term victory by acting now to foster a dependency culture that Republicans will never be able to roll back? They’re one House floor vote away from setting America on an inevitable path to European-style statism, and still you have Democrats like McMahon ready to walk away to save their own asses. That’s an amazing testament to the value incumbents place on their own political preservation.

I’ve been skeptical until now but I’m starting to think Pelosi will get there. The fact that House Democrats don’t want to talk about their votes augurs badly, not well; given the degree of public opposition, the ones who are ready to cave have a greater incentive to lie low. Between the purple people-beaters leaning on people and Madam Speaker sweetening the pot for recalcitrant Dems by incorporating the student-loan bill — Philip Klein notes that 34 Democrats who voted against ObamaCare voted yes for that one — there are plenty of sticks and carrots to go with the long-term strategic ambition. And if all else fails, just think of how disappointed the Lamb of God will be if it fails. Exit quotation via Newsbusters: You’ve got to get this for him.


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Looks like Obozo and Andy Stern have a plan.

Line up or be lined up.

CPT. Charles on March 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Andria is way too close to this topic. A ‘conflict check’ is in order.

chaswv on March 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Don’t forget to factor in the defeatism of establishment Republicans that once enacted, it can’t be struck; that even if they win they can’t be expected to change it; and that the party can’t allow the Democrats to own the issue and have to get on board with some kind of federal solution.

Chris_Balsz on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM

I’ve been skeptical until now but I’m starting to think Pelosi will get there.

Better to be Eeyore and pleasantly surprised, than to think it is in the bag and be disappointed…big time.

WashJeff on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM

I have a nauseated feeling. I thought there was no way they would go against the public will, but I think you’re right AP.

For all these leftists who look at politics like a big game, it is going to be one big heavy hangover when this stuff kicks in. I wonder who will be crying the loudest when they are denied healthcare.

Goodbye Republic.

PrincipledPilgrim on March 12, 2010 at 6:07 PM

A Tale of Two Thuggeries.

Rahm on the left, SEIU on the right….not a healthy kneecap, anywhere in sight.

Not NEA funded poetry.

ted c on March 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM

ted c on March 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Rahm is going for the top, SEIU is taking out the bottom.

upinak on March 12, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Poison darts on the left.
Rabid Crocodiles on the right.
Shark Tank underneath.
Liquid Magma coming from the front.
The SEIU from behind.

portlandon on March 12, 2010 at 6:10 PM

I’m letting myself get soooooooo stressed over this. I’m so sick of the childishness coming from Democrats.

However, since it won’t be enacted for 4 years, why can’t it be rescinded? It’s only taxes, isn’t it? That’s been done before!

capejasmine on March 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Falling on the sword for an empty suit…..

do people that low actually exist?

roflmao

donabernathy on March 12, 2010 at 6:12 PM

I don’t trust my own desperate hopefulness. I need an AP pessimism meter to keep me in check.

RachDubya on March 12, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Poison darts on the left.
Rabid Crocodiles on the right.
Shark Tank underneath.
Liquid Magma coming from the front.
The SEIU from behind.

portlandon on March 12, 2010 at 6:10 PM

That captures so well how I have been feeling since Obama/Pelosi/Reid have been running the show..:)

txmomof6 on March 12, 2010 at 6:13 PM

It’s on Drudge Pelosi is going to vote next week. I think they have the votes too. I don’t think we will really know who got what. Nancy also has the student loan take over in this too. We really don’t know what the cost of this bill will be. God Help us.

Brat4life on March 12, 2010 at 6:13 PM

However, since it won’t be enacted for 4 years, why can’t it be rescinded?

Let’s say it gets passed. Then a ton of other bills will be added that regulate some aspects of private life that ‘affect’ the overall health care cost, i.e. Washington has a reason to regulate what you eat etc for fiscal reasons.

Now imagine that health care mandate gets kicked out by SCOTUS or the states prevent it. You think all the other piggyback re-structuring bills of the relationship between citizen and state will be repealed? I’m not optimistic.

Spirit of 1776 on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

These folks are playing with fire. Don’t expect the people to remain docile in the face of this sort of stuff. Cold civil war for sure, maybe more.

Mason on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

I’ve been skeptical until now but I’m starting to think Pelosi will get there.

You were skeptical about Scott Brown too, AP, all the way to end.

I hope and pray you are wrong again.

Knucklehead on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

capejasmine on March 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM

If this gets passed the congress and the administration will assume that the passage was so historic the implementation of the bill has be effective immediately. The liars will never be satisfied to wait.

fourdeucer on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Pelosi doesn’t have the votes. Pelosi is just trying to create the illusion that she has the votes. It’s called lying.

Emperor Norton on March 12, 2010 at 6:16 PM

At this point they’re going to be spanked no matter what they do, in which case why not achieve a long-term victory by acting now to foster a dependency culture that Republicans will never be able to roll back?

Republicans will not roll it back – that is guaranteed (unprincipled, uninspired mopes and hacks that they are) – but the impending economic apocalypse will.

So just relax, cash out your 401(k) (before the tyrants seize it) count your gold coins, stock up on some ammo, and prep your garden.

I mean SRSLY, dude. On what planet is our glorious Welfare-Warfare State sustainable? That’s right. None. Not a one.

Rae on March 12, 2010 at 6:16 PM

They’re one House floor vote away from setting America on an inevitable path to European-style statism, and still you have Democrats like McMahon ready to walk away to save their own asses. That’s an amazing testament to the value incumbents place on their own political preservation.

Time will tell whether or not Pelosi gets this there, but I am not so sure that they are that close to some inevitable path to European-style statism. For one thing, thanks to Democrats the American people are less interested in this kind of statism now than they were a decade ago. Even if the do make it, repeal might be difficult, but I also think that there will be renewed effort to move away from these kinds of programs. These debts are scaring people and I think the Democrats have pushed it too far.

Terrye on March 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM

- the risk of another round of angry townhalls is too great -

Do they believe the townhall meetings will be any less lively after they’ve rammed this up our *** ?

bloviator on March 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM

However, since it won’t be enacted for 4 years, why can’t it be rescinded? It’s only taxes, isn’t it? That’s been done before!

capejasmine on March 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM

This is more than just taxes. This is a triple-cross in which two of the three parties are attempting to outflank the other two for big-time $$$.

However, there might be hope if sufficient momentum can be built up before the actual benefits kick in. The American public’s attention span is short enough that the coming promise of ‘free healthcare’ in a few years (which they won’t get) will pale in the face of massive pain now.

Dark-Star on March 12, 2010 at 6:18 PM

the Lamb of God

AllahPundit, please do not use “Lamb of God” to refer to Barak Obama-or anyone else.

davidk on March 12, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Should make for some lively town hall meetings if they pass it.

a capella on March 12, 2010 at 6:18 PM

However, since it won’t be enacted for 4 years, why can’t it be rescinded? It’s only taxes, isn’t it? That’s been done before!

capejasmine on March 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Because with Obama in the Whitehouse it will take enough to over ride the veto in both the House and Senate… and the Repubs won’t get there because they are not willing to really go Fiscal Con and play into the Anger of the Electorate (not just at Obama, but they need to take some blame as well).

Romeo13 on March 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM

bloviator on March 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Oops. Sorry. Didn’t mean to step on your toes. I was typing while you were posting.

a capella on March 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM

These folks are playing with fire. Don’t expect the people to remain docile in the face of this sort of stuff. Cold civil war for sure, maybe more.

Mason on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

If they pass it i pray your correct.

heshtesh on March 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Republicans will not roll it back – that is guaranteed (unprincipled, uninspired mopes and hacks that they are) – but the impending economic apocalypse will.

Rae, I think the money will run out too, but I do not think the Republicans are unprincipled or uninspired or hacks…if they had the majority right now, we would not even be talking about this silly plan and in case you have not noticed, the Republicans have all apposed this.

Terrye on March 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM

These folks are playing with fire. Don’t expect the people to remain docile in the face of this sort of stuff. Cold civil war for sure, maybe more.

Mason on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Felt it would be a New Day in New Orleans after Katrina… Political Machines were decimated after the storm and the city had the chance to throw off the shackles and write a new History for itself…… Long story short……. Mitch Landrieu is our new Mayor elect… Mary’s Lil bro.

roflmao

donabernathy on March 12, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Don’t forget to factor in the defeatism of establishment Republicans that once enacted, it can’t be struck;…
Chris_Balsz on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Oh please! It’s not defeatism! Obama will veto any legislation to repeal this (unless we managed the miracle of a veto proof majority). Meanwhile, Republicans are on Code Red status doing everything in their power to prevent this travesty from passing. What do you suggest we do?

Buy Danish on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM

This is more than just taxes. This is a triple-cross in which two of the three parties are attempting to outflank the other two for big-time $$$.

However, there might be hope if sufficient momentum can be built up before the actual benefits kick in. The American public’s attention span is short enough that the coming promise of ‘free healthcare’ in a few years (which they won’t get) will pale in the face of massive pain now.

Dark-Star on March 12, 2010 at 6:18 PM

I think the reference to it just being taxes, has to do with the facts that it will be four years of taxes before the socalled benefits kick in. It is easier to repeal something that people are not getting anything out of.

Terrye on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM

– the risk of another round of angry townhalls is too great -

Do they believe the townhall meetings will be any less lively after they’ve rammed this up our *** ?

bloviator on March 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Agreed. If they think the August townhalls were bad, wait until they come home after passing this monstrosity. There are a lot of unemployed Americans who have plenty of time to give their vacationing representatives a personalized homecoming.

You’d think more of them would be looking at Ben Nelson. Does the concept of being universally despised bother these people, or do they really have that inflated an idea of their own moral superiority?

Animator Girl on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM

They must be destroyed. Not beaten, not shamed, but utterly destroyed. SEIU, the Democrats, all of these statist thugs.

My thoughts: If this passes (which seems quite possible), not only do Democrats face crushing defeats in seven months, but Obama really endangers his own reelection. Yes, as leftist ideologues, the consolidation of power matters more than reelection, but seeing their Messiah possibly go down in flames over this should be a real concern.

This is one of the most disgusting power grabs imaginable. I wish only the worst for them all.

Pope Linus on March 12, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Romeo13 on March 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Making it imperative to retain the House, attain the WH, and hope to get a filbuster proof majority in the Senate if a few donks like Stupak ae still irritated.

a capella on March 12, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Union opposition is something I’d invite as a blue dog.

abobo on March 12, 2010 at 6:25 PM

I see this is happening in 4 years if this pos bill goes through. There will be no money in any account to pay for it. The idiots will have the money spent next month if this passes next week. In 4 years there will be no money it will be raided like SS was. Then what’s going to happen. I don’t even want to think about it.

Brat4life on March 12, 2010 at 6:27 PM

There is nothing more repugnant than someone strong arming you with a New York or Chicago accent and/or Agenda.

Key West Reader on March 12, 2010 at 6:28 PM

120,000 members in eight states

You will be drowned in a sea of Tea Partiers.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM

Allah let me introduce you to the 10th Amendment Center. Maybe then we can stop reading BS from you like

They’re one House floor vote away from setting America on an inevitable path to European-style statism,

They will only get that if we roll over if this passes and accept it. If we do that then we deserve what we get.

DerKrieger on March 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM

These folks are playing with fire. Don’t expect the people to remain docile in the face of this sort of stuff. Cold civil war for sure, maybe more.

Mason on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM

If they pass it i pray your correct.

heshtesh on March 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM

I hope those in Greece look to us and say…

“Now THAT is the way to riot in the streets!”

Seven Percent Solution on March 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM

Sounds like an empty threat in many places. Many primary filing dates are closed.

drfredc on March 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM

You’d think more of them would be looking at Ben Nelson. Does the concept of being universally despised bother these people, or do they really have that inflated an idea of their own moral superiority?

Animator Girl on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Obama doesn’t care. He’s been put into place to do the thing come Hell or high water. The sooner we all realize this, the better our Nation will fare.

Key West Reader on March 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM

You know darn well that it can’t/won’t be repealed when it passes. Its for the children.

Mirimichi on March 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Two thoughts:

“…a dependency culture that Republicans will never be able to roll back.”

Don’t bank on it.Even if the Republicans are sent to Congress this November with a MANDATE to overturn ObamaCare, there are provisions in the law that will be tied up in court.

As to the SEIU, yeah, they really rallied the troops around the Democratic candidate for Senator in Massachusetts didn’t they?

GarandFan on March 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Oh so the union is employing the SS strategy?

jbh45 on March 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM

I’ve said all along if she calls for a vote, she has the votes. She’s called it. She has it. The end.

angryed on March 12, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Republicans will not roll it back – that is guaranteed (unprincipled, uninspired mopes and hacks that they are) – but the impending economic apocalypse will.

So just relax, cash out your 401(k) (before the tyrants seize it) count your gold coins, stock up on some ammo, and prep your garden.

I mean SRSLY, dude. On what planet is our glorious Welfare-Warfare State sustainable? That’s right. None. Not a one.

Can you cash out your 401k if you are still working, I don’t think you can, but if you know something different than me, please let me know. Because I know if this starts with healthcare, or what ever they call it now, it’s not going to stop there and I don’t want to lose everything I have saved for, for 20 years. Christ, for the first time in my adult life, I’m scared. I have the ammo, I have the garden. I’m going to learn how to can food this year, but I have no freakin clue how to get mine and my husbands 401k money with out taking a loan against it, and then you can only take half out.

nwpammy on March 12, 2010 at 6:35 PM

And if all else fails, just think of how disappointed the Lamb of God will be if it fails

Please don’t use this term in reference to Obama. That’s just not cool. It part of the holy catholic mass, AP.

DrW on March 12, 2010 at 6:35 PM

SEIU can go stuff it. It’s about time that Americans stand up to these thugs.

BottomLine5 on March 12, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Republicans will not roll it back – that is guaranteed (unprincipled, uninspired mopes and hacks that they are) – but the impending economic apocalypse will.
Rae on March 12, 2010 at 6:16 PM

I missed your comment. Please stop with the Republican- bashing unless you have a realistic suggestion of what tactics/strategy they could employ that they haven’t tried yet.

Of course you’re right that history proves that a welfare-state is unsustainable – everyone of us knows that already! But to that link you provided, are you a Paulnut or something? What’s with this emphasis on “military overstretch” and “Imperialism”? That is not why our economy is in peril.

Buy Danish on March 12, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Meanwhile, Republicans are on Code Red status doing everything in their power to prevent this travesty from passing. What do you suggest we do?

Buy Danish on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Really? Tell that to Mitch McConnell who allowed the senate bill to be voted on so he wouldn’t miss Christmas eve dinner at home with the family.

angryed on March 12, 2010 at 6:38 PM

I hope those in Greece look to us and say…

“Now THAT is the way to riot in the streets!”

Seven Percent Solution on March 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut-UPttf-dg

davidk on March 12, 2010 at 6:44 PM

‘They’re Trying to Break Arms and Kneecaps’ [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

A pretty good description of what’s going on right now among Democrats came from Republican Study Committee chairman Tom Price M.D. yesterday (audio here).

I hear this evening secondhand that the White House and Pelosi are focusing are 11 Democrats who are in question. Stupak not included, as he well knows now.

One source who has been active in the fight all along says of the Dems: “They are really pushing the inevitability narrative hard.” The source adds: I truly believe that the president planned all along to delay his trip – as an attempt to build momentum.”

NRO

Wethal on March 12, 2010 at 6:45 PM

nwpammy on March 12, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Yes, you can cash out your 401K, but you take a tax penalty when you do it… 10% right off the top, plus regualar taxes.

However, if, like many unemployed people your Taxes seriously declined due to a lack of income… you may come out OK…

Romeo13 on March 12, 2010 at 6:45 PM

If this ends up passing I hope the GOP members have enough cajones to realize that any prestense of bi-partisanship has to be gone. We really need to learn how to play hardball and make every future Dem initiative a difficult back breaking slog. If that means immobilizing the Congress – so be it. There have to be consequences for this.

katiejane on March 12, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Note to seiu, we American’s will fund people who will see to it you and your like are out of here! If a d or a r gives in to you, well shame on them come Nov. We are sick of your do or get the fish head!
L

letget on March 12, 2010 at 6:47 PM

I hate this federal Statute, RICO, but if the glove fits, we must convict these clowns of racketeering. You dig hard enough, we will find some major skeletons in Sterns closet.

OneCleverCookie on March 12, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Please stop with the Republican- bashing unless you have a realistic suggestion of what tactics/strategy they could employ that they haven’t tried yet.

I presume any suggestion along the lines of “Say it’s not a federal responsibility and you won’t go for it” or “Don’t go to the summit” or “Stop agreeing Congress is responsible for the solution” or “Stop demanding to participate in an unconstitutional flop” or “Stop offering to subsidize health care insurance” are not realistic.

Chris_Balsz on March 12, 2010 at 7:08 PM

What are they going to do it with magic beans? SEIU members are looking at serious deflationary pressures that will overtime reduce dues. And they have pension shortfalls. DO they think they can keep the Democrats in power forever? At some point the federal spigot gets turned off and the public sector will have to downsize.

Theworldisnotenough on March 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Really? Tell that to Mitch McConnell who allowed the senate bill to be voted on so he wouldn’t miss Christmas eve dinner at home with the family.
angryed on March 12, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Would it have changed the outcome if he’d made them stay? McConnell got what he could out of it.

Buy Danish on March 12, 2010 at 7:31 PM

If it passes, repeal won’t work without the House, Senate and a either a veto proof majority or the White House; NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

So If we just take the House; SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!

DEFENSE BILLS, MAYBE, BUT NO FUNDING FOR ANYTHING! HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION, DEPT OF JUSTICE, EVERYTHING.
UNLESS A REPEAL IS ATTACHED.

barnone on March 12, 2010 at 7:48 PM

But as Mark Steyn’s argued all along, why should they care?

Of course! Look at the countries that have universal health care. “Conservatives” in Canada, England, France etc, are conservatives in name only.
In canada the “conservatives” are bragging that their “Green Policy” are superior to that of the Green Party. In England the governing libs have installed CCTV in thousands of homes and the conservatives “objections” was drowned out by a dog whistle.
Obama and the democrats are well aware of those facts. They know the minute that bill is signed into law America begins the unavoidable march towards socialism, and the inevitable elimination of conservatism.

RMR on March 12, 2010 at 8:09 PM

So just relax, cash out your 401(k) (before the tyrants seize it) count your gold coins, stock up on some ammo, and prep your garden.

I mean SRSLY, dude. On what planet is our glorious Welfare-Warfare State sustainable? That’s right. None. Not a one.

Rae on March 12, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Depending on plan, cash/borrow out now and if all’s well w/in 60 days, put it back in. Or roll it into your own business’ savings plan. Even after taxes and all that something is better than nada.

AH_C on March 12, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Why not? I realize they have “officially” endorsed Blanche Lincoln for re-election, but I’d be willing to bet a sizable sum that they are responsible off the record for Halter getting into the race.

NoLeftTurn on March 12, 2010 at 8:26 PM

Call your Congressperson and Senators to find out when their Town Hall Meetings will be during their “District Work Period” which is scheduled to begin on March 29.

If your Rep and Senators won’t hold a Town Hall Meeting, then the candidates who are running against them should host Town Hall Meetings.

Any “elected representative” who won’t host a Town Hall Meeting needs to be voted out of office!

wren on March 12, 2010 at 8:42 PM

Does SEIU think they are Gestapo?

daesleeper on March 12, 2010 at 9:07 PM

And if all else fails, just think of how disappointed the Lamb of God will be if it fails.

Obama the sacrificial lamb? I just can’t wrap my mind around that one.

tom on March 12, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Does SEIU think they are Gestapo?

daesleeper on March 12, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Not as yet, though they do have their uniforms picked out. Give it a few months.

sharrukin on March 12, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Looks like Obozo and Andy Stern have a plan.

Line up or be lined up.

CPT. Charles on March 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Persuasion of power my foot!

This is thuggery, pure and simple.

pilamaye on March 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM

I refuse to believe she has this locked up. I refuse to believe that the Dems will be able to pass this. I refuse to believe that a “moderate” can pass this and think “its for the good of the party”. I refuse to believe that they will be able to muster the force to move this thing over the finish line SO LONG AS WE KEEP PRESSURE ON THEM. This hot cold thing has been going on for months now. They don’t have it, they want to think they do. They will blow this in the 4th. I refuse to believe they can do this.

I refuse.

Gatsu on March 12, 2010 at 10:24 PM

“Lamb of God”

We get it, AP. It’s not funny, and never was. Lazy offensiveness.

Sir Loin on March 12, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Didn’t Al Capone once run Chicago politicians?
I’m just asking…

shorebird on March 13, 2010 at 1:13 AM

I live in McMahon’s district. The only way Mikey loses his seat is if he flips. “Union support” had nothing to do with him winning his seat. He won his seat because Vito Fossella couldn’t live with just one family, and nobody believed the local GOP didn’t know what was going on, and a lot of people are still pissed at them. But if McMahon appears to have caved to this kind of thuggery, he’s toast.

TC@LeatherPenguin on March 13, 2010 at 4:57 AM

PLEASE; PEOPLE; BE IN D.C. ON MARCH 16TH TO MARCH AGAINST THESE CRIMINALS IN OUR GOVERNMENT AND THESE TOTALITARIANS.

Cybergeezer on March 13, 2010 at 8:52 AM

Oh please! It’s not defeatism! Obama will veto any legislation to repeal this (unless we managed the miracle of a veto proof majority). Meanwhile, Republicans are on Code Red status doing everything in their power to prevent this travesty from passing. What do you suggest we do?
Buy Danish on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Publicly agreeing with the President that there needs to be federal action and federal spending to bring health insurance to all Americans is not helping fight this bill.

It is defeatist to say that you will NEVER be able to repeal this bill– and we all need to understand that and tolerate the failure. That is creating momementum to excuse failure, instead of building pressure to allow a repeal.

Chris_Balsz on March 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM

AllahPundit, please do not use “Lamb of God” to refer to Barak Obama-or anyone else.

davidk on March 12, 2010

You are wasting your time asking this of AP. He is his own god. Why would he give a damn about yours? Blasphemy is probably the least of his despicable traits.

Extrafishy on March 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM