Video: Moron wants to fine chefs for cooking with … salt
posted at 5:15 pm on March 11, 2010 by Allahpundit
This being NYC, the moron in question is of course a city councilman state assemblyman. At this point, the most surprising thing is that he doesn’t want to go further. Why ban salt but not sugar? Both are tasty, both are essential to every form of cooking, and both can cause health problems if consumed excessively. Let’s save some lives: No more doughnuts for anyone.
Via DrewM, here’s all the background you need. Simply the perfect marriage of aggressive ignorance and aggressive statism.
Ortiz admits that prior to introducing the bill he did not research salt’s role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his bill’s ramifications for the restaurant industry. He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.
“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,” Ortiz tells me, before going on to say that he has eaten, and expects he will continue to eat, among other things, ham, cheese and bread in restaurants, all of which contain salt…
Regardless of the intent, and accepting its sponsor’s claim that it is part of his campaign to improve the public’s health, the bill exhibits profound ignorance not only of matters of taste — literally — but also of the chemistry of cooking.
“It’s a preposterous notion,” says baker extraordinaire Michael London, whose Mrs. London’s Bakery has been a Saratoga Springs institution for more than three decades. “Not using salt would make breads insipid and anemic,” London says. Besides lacking flavor, saltless bread would also have different texture, density and other characteristics as a result of its altered chemistry, London tells me…
“That [bill is] insane,” says Christopher Allen Tanner, a culinary professor at Schenectady County Community College in Schenectady. “You can’t make hams without salt, you can’t make bacon without salt,” he tells me. “There would be no pickles, no relishes, no — no just about everything.”
Even in the Bloombergian paradise, I assume this bill is doomed, but if it passes it may be time for the big A to (finally) abandon ship. Recommendations for a new home base are welcome in the comments; in lieu of that, please sign the petition. Here’s video from Fox of the man with the plan. Note what he says near the end about how this ties into controlling escalating health-care costs.
Update: Worse and worse: I erred in thinking this guy was a councilman. He’s actually a state assemblyman, so this ban would, theoretically, apply statewide. The good news? It’s a lot harder to get a moronic progressive bill through the state legislature than the city council, even in a state as Democratic as New York.
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That could set back Obama’s latest health care strategy: Desperate to Advance His Agenda, Obama Adds Bacon to Widely Unpopular Health Care Bill http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/02/desperate-to-advance-his-agenda-obama.html
Mervis Winter on March 11, 2010 at 5:44 PM
George Burns, is that you?
upinak on March 11, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Global Dulling…
He’s all yours, New York. Enjoy the bagels while you can!
stevezilla on March 11, 2010 at 5:45 PM
This proposal bans ALL salt, including sea salt which liberals say is ‘healthy’.
Anyone ever hear of Mohr’s Salt?
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:45 PM
First, they went after the fishing poles. But I said nothing because I wasn’t a fisherman
Then they went after salt using chefs, but i said nothing, because I wasn’t a chef…
FontanaConservative on March 11, 2010 at 5:46 PM
I guess that WE are so stupid that this MORON has to educate us about salt
SDarchitect on March 11, 2010 at 5:46 PM
He must be related to Oakland on the AGW threads.
chemman on March 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM
Hardly effects you. Probably adds to your years by warding off germs. They hate smoke. Fire it up.
Rocks on March 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Gracie! Is that you?
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Everytime I hear about this I think it’s from Terry Gilliam’s Brazil.
But No, it’s effing real. These people are that dumb!
tetriskid on March 11, 2010 at 5:49 PM
The best part about this whole thing is that it would fine chefs 1000 dollars for each infraction. I would really like to know how they would go about enforcing this.
Vera on March 11, 2010 at 5:49 PM
I shall translate: Because my father used his freedom, albeit unwisely, I feel that it is my duty to not allow you to use your freedom. You do not know what is good for you and what is bad for you. I shall tell you which is which.
PappaMac on March 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Ortiz, with this proposal, shows just how far out of sanity liberals have become.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Any libs want to debate me on this? I dare you to defend this.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I’m just glad to finally see somebody with the guts to take on the BIG SALT special interests.
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM
Ortiz, with this proposal, shows that there are too many legislators and too much time on their hands.
nico on March 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I know he’s one of God’s children… but dang, that is one ugly dude.
July 10 on March 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM
While we’re at it….who the hell is Michelle O, to tell me how to eat healthy? She may have great arms, but by golly that caboose is hardly a reason for me to take her advice about health, and fitness.
capejasmine on March 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM
I think you would like Madison, AP.
BadgerHawk on March 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM
We will also Ban swimming in the oceans, as well as any recreation on beaches or coastal areas.
PappaMac on March 11, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Yes; But I’m old enough to remember the SALT talks of long ago!
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 5:54 PM
She should work on her husband’s smoking and drinking habits first.
PappaMac on March 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM
No more bacon either. Can’t make bacon without salt.
Oldnuke on March 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM
This guy needs to learn a little more about salt in food before he mouths off telling everyone else what they can and can’t eat. The worst culprits are not freshly prepared foods, but pre-processed foods — the packaged, canned, and often frozen items everybody buys in the grocery store.
There is also a major disconnect between what he is saying and how AP describes the bill. Does the bill ban salt in restaurants, or does it mandate that restaurant patrons have the right to demand salt-free food, which is what this idiot is saying.
ProfessorMiao on March 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM
That, and they always propose this based on “all people react the same.” My wife’s grandfather used so much salt his plates left a halo on the table. He died on pneumonia at 85. I knew smokers that lived into their 90s with no ill effects and others that died in their 60s from lung cancer.
Do you know that salt used to be worth more than gold? It was the only preservative. Until refrigeration came out, salt was of tremendous value for it’s ability to help people store food.
Hey people drown. Maybe we should ban water to protect people from drowning. That would be just as smart as this!
PastorJon on March 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM
No Bacon?!?
Those B@$t@rd$!!!
FontanaConservative on March 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Come out and hang in The Land of 10,000 with Ed.
New ballpark this year. Hockey team sucks, but they try awful hard.
Al Franken for a Senator!! Hey Now!!!!
What’s not to like??
BigWyo on March 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM
I hate leftists.
elduende on March 11, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Table salt ( and btw, his proposed legislation is written so that it could apply to any chemical salt – making use of baking powder a finable offense)
Table salt and Hartshorn salt are used to leaven baked goods. Not to mention Table salt, and sometimes cream of tartar (potassium hydrogen tartrate, an acid salt) is used to help beat egg whites into a stable foam. No Souffle for you!
Mr. I Skipped Chemistry might also not know that it raises the temp of boiling water slightly, and cooks pasta better (faster with better texture).
Small amounts of NaCl improve complexity of flavor – and leaving it out can ruin sweetness in confections and other sweet dishes..
SarahW on March 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM
All salt in the kitchen. Here’s the actual text:
NO OWNER OR OPERATOR OF A RESTAURANT IN THIS STATE SHALL USE SALT IN ANY FORM IN THE PREPARATION OF ANY FOOD FOR CONSUMPTION BY CUSTOMERS OF SUCH RESTAURANT, INCLUDING FOOD PREPARED TO BE CONSUMED ON THE PREMISES OF SUCH RESTAURANT OR OFF OF SUCH PREMISES
Vera on March 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM
This guy is on the wrong coast, in the wrong city!
San Francisco is where he ought to be! Out there, his kind are running rampant all over the place!
pilamaye on March 11, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Salt also preserves food.
Forget the nannyism. How does someone who is too stupid to know what he doesn’t know get a job like his?
SarahW on March 11, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Gee, I wonder how this idiot feels about illegal aliens?
orlandocajun on March 11, 2010 at 6:02 PM
That’s gonna make it tough to make bread, for sure.
Oldnuke on March 11, 2010 at 6:03 PM
A true idiot in every sense of the word.
WisCon on March 11, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Ortiz jumped the liberal gun here, showing what will come down the pike if Health Control is passed.
If Washington can’t ban it (which it will eventually), it will tax it (long as it can).
I’m going to LOVE hearing libs complain their pasta tastes like straw in one of their top-class restaurants. And the sauce has no ‘zing’ to it!
C’mon, libs. Push this through! Let’s see you metros try impressing your feminazi date when she can’t even keep the food in her mouth without balking at the ‘taste’.
She’ll dump you and go find another girl to take her out, treat her ‘right’.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Does this moron even know that you’d die without salt? Putz.
Scott P on March 11, 2010 at 6:05 PM
Time to make examples of some people.
mrpeabody on March 11, 2010 at 6:05 PM
Dang! No doughnuts, no bacon and no bread in NY. What is this guy thinking? Oh wait…..
Oldnuke on March 11, 2010 at 6:05 PM
I guess he’s too stupid to understand that salt is essential for life. The human body needs salt to function. Good Lord. That’s like basic biology.
robblefarian on March 11, 2010 at 6:06 PM
I can see why this guy does not like salt. Salt kills slugs and he is a huge slimy one.
Aviator on March 11, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Hey El Estupido Senor Ortiz
After you have banned dalt
why don’t you go after this
macncheez on March 11, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Ortiz should be boiled in oil, with a little salt for good measure.
BottomLine5 on March 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM
I have little hope for people who are dumb enough to elect a guy like this.
Scrappy on March 11, 2010 at 6:11 PM
Wait until this guy finds out that sweat is, er, um, SALTY. Oh wait, he’ll fix that by passing a law against working.
westerncanadian on March 11, 2010 at 6:11 PM
These are all deflective strategies. These morons keep bringing up these ridiculous ideas to:
1) distract from all the real, pressing issues.
2) show how concerned they are.
The galling thing is that sensible people have to keep gearing up against every stupid agenda item they come up with. It wears people down so eventually they give up and that allows these tools to keep getting elected.
When they happen to get this type of thing through they personally have no intention of ever adhering to the ridiculous rule. After all, they are a “party member” and therefore special.
Slowly, but surely, more centralized power, eroding individual rights…
It’s not an accident.
yubley on March 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Does this guy even know how to cook? Dude…. how do you make bread without salt?
2nd Ammendment Mother on March 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Sheesh, Ortiz puts the “tard” in “Leftard.”
BigAlSouth on March 11, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Hey El Estupido Senor Ortiz
After you have banned salt
why don’t you go after this
macncheez on March 11, 2010 at 6:13 PM
So, I’ve already stockpiled light bulbs, will I have to hoard salt now too?
Jvette on March 11, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Allahpundit,
I think your
old manAssemblyman and myold manAssemblyman should get together and go bowling.You can take your pick from any of our fine, fine Assembly Members here in California.
juanito on March 11, 2010 at 6:16 PM
The best places in the world to get pizza are those little back alley stands in NYC.
What about the pushcarts, for those delightful dirty-water hot dogs? And those guys who sell those huge soft warm salt-laden pretzels that would make your grandma jealous?
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:16 PM
I’m hard core. ROCK SALT.
portlandon on March 11, 2010 at 6:18 PM
After Massa who is surprised by any elected official acting goofy?
This guy wants to outlaw salt because…..He get’s a kick back from the MSG Folks? LOL! There is always a monetary pay off, even if it is from one of the foundations spreading money around, getting low level assemblymen to make A$$E$ out of themselves.
Allah, you should check, and see who is contributing to him, and by extension his district- I wonder if he got some Porkulus on himself? Or maybe some Tides Foundation Money, He didn’t just stick his head up now – for nothing in return…..This reminds me of that old Colbert Nation Segment “Better know A Congressmen” in this case “Better Know An Assemblymen”
Dr Evil on March 11, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Someone should explain to this idiot assemblyman that New York City is not only home to some of the best known restaurants in the country, if not in the world, but it also happens to be the home of THE FOOD NETWORK!
You know, Bobby Flay, Emeril, Iron Chef America? This guys has heard of them, right?
So what does maroon think they are going to do, start cooking with Mrs Dash over there?
I don’t think so!
pilamaye on March 11, 2010 at 6:22 PM
Salt actually lowers the boiling point.
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 6:24 PM
In a world where the nanny state controls every aspect of your life…
where obesity is still on the rise…
where people just can’t stop stuffing their faces with an endless stream of empty calories…
only one man dared to make things right…
Luis Guzman is…
The Salt Banner
…coming this summer to a restaurant near you.
July 10 on March 11, 2010 at 6:25 PM
You haven’t really had a meal, or even a snack, unless you’ve eaten in New York City.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:25 PM
As a Christian I object to restaurants seasoning their food with the remains of Lot’s wife.
year_of_the_dingo on March 11, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Look for more of this,
As gummint picks up the bill
From health care reform.
Haiku Guy on March 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM
The last time I heard of an elected official doing something this stupid with food was when a blowhard Chicago alderman named Joe Moore successfully instigated a ban on fois gras in the city a couple of years back. Fine restaurants all over the place when ballistic when this happened, a couple even closed shop and moved elsewhere. It wasn’t until like last year when the rest of the City Council finally saw how stupid this ban was and lifted it. Since then, Joe Moore has pretty much gone underground, though he still insists the ban was a success.
Maybe this clown in New York should take a cue from what happened out in Chicago with fois gras before he decides to pursue this stupid ban of his own.
pilamaye on March 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Oh Bagel and LOX! You can’t make LOX without Kosher Salt!!
upinak on March 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Dear God. I just read an article about this over at Huffington. They had a poll. 21% thought this was a good idea.
Who are these people?
Vera on March 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM
They lifted the ban on fois gras there? I didn’t know that. Far as I know, NYC still bans it.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:30 PM
The dead, polled at the cemetery. All, of course, vote Democrat
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:31 PM
This is one of the reasons that I didn’t vote for the smoking ban when I lived in NYC.
I do not smoke and being in places full of smoke mess up my throat and sinuses for the next 24 hours. Even though I personally greatly dislike the habit, I believe it was the business owner’s choice to make that decision.
I also felt that it was wrong to vote for a ban just because it was something I didn’t partake of because it could easily be something I enjoyed that was next on the chopping block.
The smoking ban passed….next came trans fats….now salt (though I realize that one most likely will not pass).
The funny thing is that people in NY aren’t getting any healthier….in spite of nanny’s best efforts.
JadeNYU on March 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM
They are going to pass a bill that says you have to use the fat of your dead relatives to power your car/generator/lawnmower, etc.
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Yep, and that’s going to go over real well in NY isn’t it.
Oldnuke on March 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM
As I recall, this was so over the top that even Mayor Daley ranted about how stupid it was to persue.
JamesLee on March 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM
I think a angry citizenry could take it upon themselves to make the lives of hacks like this miserable. Follow them around delving into every minute personal aspect of their lives. Should he take his wife or mistress out to a fancy dinner, sit yourself down at the table and proceed to go through his dinner plate passing judgement on what he ordered.
If he is going to delve into your dining, you should be able to delve into his.
As El Rushbo once said:
“You eat your lunch; I’ll eat mine and we both just mind our own damn business”
Short, pithy. Could fit on a bumper sticker.
kurtzz3 on March 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM
My father died by drowning, so we must ban all water in food preparation as well.
What, that’s how we make laws, right? We pick how a family member died, we exaggerate one possible cause, and we legislate it out of existence without any thought as to consequences.
I’m pretty sure this is in the Constitution or something.
* You say my father didn’t die eating food prepared with water when he drowned fishing drunk in the lake? Well we have no evidence that salt was the only factor in this man’s heart attack do we? Am I really supposed to believe that salt and only salt was the reason for a heart attack? Weight and exercise play a larger role in blood pressure than salt, except for a few people who are genetically predisposed to issues with sodium. Losing 20 pounds (for me) was a more significant change in blood pressure than reducing salt was.
** ok, not really; that entire story about my father is fabricated. But someone’s father surely died that way; so they could promote that law, right? The blood pressure/weight thing is true; if I gain back 20 pounds I probably have high blood pressure again.
gekkobear on March 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM
If liberals were fair and honest, they’d leave this alone, up to the individual. I’m sure that, if you ask the waiter to tell the chef not to use salt, the chef will willingly comply. The idea is to please the customer, right?
But NO! Another lib ratfink will tell you that you can’t have salt. Note, too, the proposed law refuses a person’s right to say, “Please tell the chef to use salt where he deems best.”
I’m 51. My dad died in 1988 and my mom is in her last year. I think I can make my own decisions.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Heh Look what’s in a bagel.
Oldnuke on March 11, 2010 at 6:39 PM
I’ve had about 10 daily allowances of salt per day for 20 years and am still going strong. I don’t add salt but a lot of the prepared foods and condiments I eat just contain a lot of salt—and that’s the way I like it. Ever try low-sodium Campbell’s soup? I’d have to be dying of starvation before I’d eat that crap. Every time I’ve tried it I’ve had to throw it away. You can’t even add enough salt to it to make it taste edible, it’s so fantastically bad.
In fact, I hate that crap so. much. that if the government attempts to force me to eat it, giving me no alternative, I would rather join up with other patriots and fight to the death for my liberty. Or, if everybody else is just too damn busy getting high on their television sets to care, then I’ll go into the black market and become a salt dealer instead! [Extends middle finger to New York fascists!]
FloatingRock on March 11, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Uh: Do you know how much salt has enabled the electronics we use?
These computers?
The Main Salt Media?
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Has anyone asked Bloomy or the other morons that if they get a gym membership can they get a tax break? Because if this is really for “Health” reasons (the salt ban and soda tax) then why shouldn’t we be rewarded for being healthy? Or is it just for the money………..
Rbastid on March 11, 2010 at 6:52 PM
I’ve been watching these people for so long that I think I’m starting to catch on to their mischievous tactics. You come out with something so absurd and let people come up with 10,000 great reasons as to why your idea is laughable. Then you offer up your real idea and the premise has already took hold that you need 10,000 good points to kill it or else it won’t seem so outrageous if it becomes law.
This salt thing is an overton window for something else that we will see in the near future.
Buddahpundit on March 11, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Maybe senor el estupido wants restauranters to give him more money ?
Maybe he is eying Cargill and Morton ..they are rich big evil corporations you know…key word =’rich’
macncheez on March 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Anyone ever conduct a study on how much suffering, sickness and death has been caused by politicians and governments? Maybe it’s time they were banned.
JellyToast on March 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Over time, this will ‘justify’ cuts in availability of medical care if Health Control passes. Note, too, tobacco smokers will be denied while street junkies won’t be.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 6:59 PM
Ugly on March 11, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Thank goodness the state will finally step in and save me from my dinner. I think that they should ban ice in drinks. I have a tendancy of leaving my hand wrapped around my glass when I am eating and that may cause frostbite, at the very least my hand gets cold. Please help me Mr. Ortiz!
tommer74 on March 11, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Absolutely it will. Just sign up on this list and we’ll get to you when it’s your turn. As of today you’ll only have to wait 23 years and 7 months or so.
Gator Country on March 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM
I think there should be a fine for bad suits….
Dick Turpin on March 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM
If this is shocking news, just wait until tomorrow.
mobydutch on March 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Not necessarily, and we’ve seen the beginnings for decades.
Smokers (not counting those into their pot) brought their pain on themselves, while street junkies are ‘addicts’.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 7:05 PM
AP! You should consider coming to the Midwest. More specifically, Missouri. We have so many beta males around here, you’re bound to fit in!
laurakbarr on March 11, 2010 at 7:05 PM
How can you have a Marguerita without salt?
THIS IS RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Your body needs salt. You will die without it. (perhaps not as much as we use, but we do need it.)
rbj on March 11, 2010 at 7:08 PM
So, assuming we could remove all the sodium and chlorine from this person’s body (and we wouldn’t want to do that, since they are both needed for proper functioning of the body’s systems)
Meant to bold this part
Ugly on March 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM
I discovered today that one of my favorite ‘eats’-Panera Bread Co./St.Louis Bread Co.-is going to start listing the nutritional info on the menu boards of their corporate stores.
I certainly have no problem with nutritional info being available to those who want it-if it’s on the menu it takes away from the enjoyment of those who DON’T want to see it.
It my case it could also trigger my eating disorder. I’m sure I’m not the only Panera fan who feels this way.
Btw- Last fall a local Starbucks tried something similar. I called corporate and explained my problem with it. I must not have been the only one-because the nutritional info came off the menu board.
Knucklehead and Jaibones: It’s the Starbuck’s on Harwood Ave.
annoyinglittletwerp on March 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM
“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,”
TRANSLATION: I don’t eat out. I just drink water.
GarandFan on March 11, 2010 at 7:13 PM
State income tax in VA is not excessive and besides, Texas gets it outta ya with higher property taxes, etc. Every state gets their own somehow.
My property taxes are extremely low in rural VA. I do NOT recommend VA Beach however. It is urban sprawl exemplified. Try getting outside of Hampton Roads about 20-30 miles and it’s a lot quieter. And we have great Bar-B-Que, Ham and Peanuts!
BierManVA on March 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Does it, though?
ernesto on March 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM
I am in favor of politicians that do not hold a medical degree to keep their insane ideas to themselves, rather than shape a bill around it and waste taxpayer dollars. He has no idea about how sodium and/or potassium work in the human body. He’s practicing medicine without a license and should be rediculed. Ditto for Meanshelle and her ample tush.
24K lady on March 11, 2010 at 7:16 PM
They be “bolt” peanuts?
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 7:17 PM
Oh! God!
I just discovered I have a drinking disorder!
I’ll talk about this after I have a few! Gotta loosen up.
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 7:19 PM
This isn’t nannyism or staism. This is idiocracy. He has no clue what he is talking about and is running with an idea that came to his peabrain when some doctor tried to explain some non-complex medical reason not to eat too much salt.
oddjob1138 on March 11, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Yea! My thoughts too!
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM
We be drunk bloggin! (burp)!
Cybergeezer on March 11, 2010 at 7:22 PM
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