Quotes of the day
posted at 10:30 pm on March 11, 2010 by Allahpundit
“In news releases, mission statements and interviews, prominent social conservatives increasingly are using the small-government rhetoric popular with the tea party activists and long used by economic conservatives — but with a religious bent…
“‘The reason why social conservatives and economic conservatives can play well together . . . is the guy who wants to go to church all day just wants to be left alone. So does the guy who wants to play with his gun all day, and the guy who wants to make money all day,’ said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform. ‘They don’t agree on how to spend their time, but they do agree on their central issue: They want to be left alone.’”…
“‘We will always have the abortion fight; that should never be given up,’ Tyler said. ‘But when the central issue of the times is jobs and the economy, we can’t just abandon the field. We must provide a Christian message about jobs and economy that is based in faith.’”
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“I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!”
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“This week the remarks prompted outrage from several Christian bloggers. The Rev. Jim Wallis, who leads the liberal Christian antipoverty group Sojourners, in Washington, called on Christians to leave Glenn Beck.
“‘What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show,’ Mr. Wallis wrote on his blog, God’s Politics. ‘His show should now be in the same category as Howard Stern.’”…
“Religion scholars say the term ‘social justice’ was probably coined in the 1800s, codified in encyclicals by successive popes and adopted widely by Protestant churches in the 1900s. The concept is that Christians should not merely give to the poor, but also work to correct unjust conditions that keep people poor. Many Christians consider it a recurring theme in Scripture.”
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Wow, people are still running with Beck’s comment taken out of context.
Get a clue people, he did not say if you see the word “social justice” run, he said ask what is meant by that. And if the church leader says socialism…run. And he didn’t necessarily say run from the whole church, but run from that church leader who misunderstands charity to mean socialism.
Conservative Voice on March 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Petunia, you should know better that to feed R2B’s axe-grinding LDS demagoguery. It’s like clockwork and if I could collect a dollar for every time I check/read a Mitt centric thread where there’s some kind of trivial “throw-a-stick-in-the-spokes” comment wrapping it back around to his misdirected preoccupation with the LDS, I could retire.
Since he’s willing to drop a flippant, “act like I know something by dropping a LDS term or two”, with the Priesthood quorum and Relief Society bit – I’ll fill people in with an answer:
Priesthood Quorums: Moving – They make Mayflower look like amateur night at the Apollo
Relief Society: Jello, meals.
Let him be or he might summon tlclark… :P
SkinnerVic on March 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Big difference between “social justice” implimented by the individual and “social justice” being forced by the government.
MechEng5by5 on March 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Yes, indeed. But God doesn’t tell the Government to steal money from people and give it other people.
The Bible has a very narrow definition of what it means to be poor.
The Bible also says that if a man will not work, then neither shall he eat.
davidk on March 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Beck has a good point but in many things he gets carried away especially with his obsession with the word “PROGRESSIVE”!
See this photo “Nightmare On Mt. Rushmore”!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=502935553&ref=profile#!/photo.php?pid=11414130&id=502935553
MCGIRV on March 12, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Yeah, considering that I was praising Mormon’s, not dissing them…read my posts again stupid.
I was dissing him (Beck personally) for stating that other religions are fools, when his own does the same…it is a stupid comment.
This is about Beck and his foolish attack, not about the Mormon’s. But you are
Here is what I said, just to make you eat crow, and watch you pathetically try to justify your false statement.
The Mormon’s have a great “safety net” for their members, as I was pointing out.
Here let me quote myself again:
You find that offensive? Then don’t be a Mormon.
right2bright on March 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Exactly, few churches start off by saying they want it forced, they known that is their job.
But some have been co-opted, the result is not run away, but to hold their leaders accountable, as Paul so decried.
Hold them to the highest of standards, you don’t leave, the leaders are the ones who have to change.
right2bright on March 12, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Hopefully, all Beck was trying to do is to encourage people to seek definitions of “social justice” when used in a church setting. Glenn believes if the church defines social justice as socialism than that individual should leave their church. There is certainly no doubt that the Bible teaches us to help the least of these and do all that we can for the less fortunate and poor, and I am sure everyone here agrees we should do that to the best of our ability. However, if history is any indication, when a government enforces socialism the employment rate, average family income, and the economy in general are doomed to plummet. Jesus wants us to give and help out of the poor because the Holy Spirit lives in us and we know it is the right choice to make instead of idolizing our money. The government creates these entitlement programs with good intentions of attempting to help the poor, but these programs often stifle business growth. When businesses grow they need more employees, and a larger job market would certainly be a more permanent way to help the less fortunate. With more people making money from work, more people could donate to the church, and those still struggling would have even more help. If Glenn Beck is saying he is against churches that provide aid and funding for the needy than he truly is sick, but I think these words may need to be analyzed in their context further before we jump to that conclusion. God Bless everyone, we are very blessed to have a pastor like Robert who does such a good job of explaining the Word to us, which is all that is eternally significant. Not money, politics, or anything else. Just Jesus.
TheRiddler on March 12, 2010 at 5:22 PM
I totally understand the point that Beck is making. If social/economic justice is one of the prominent features of a church’s (or synagogue’s)website homepage, be very well aware that they identify progressivism as integral to their religion; its not a feature of the religion but part of its identity.
I would argue that the purpose of religion is to transform the person into a humble servant of the Almighty (Person/Power), to have the individual make the conscious decision to be a faithful person in the service of the Deity (or Primary Principle), not by coercion or by groupthink. Remember that: a conscious decision, a selection of one way of living vs another. Many people in religious circles have sacrificed their private religious quest for social justice pablum. They would force others to do “what is right” not out of a personal choice but by government fiat. These protectors of society would remove your unalienable right to defend yourself and your family because of claims of social justice. They have forgotten that Jesus did not start a governmental reform movement but a soul revival movement where one is called to do what is right for one’s everlasting life. Yes it calls you to be a moral entity in the service to all, but not as a promoter of a government which forces this upon everyone; it was not a movement to force others to live by their own values. Christianity was a people driven movement whose purpose was to spread the Good News of salvation, not a government takeover of people’s lives. Morality must be self-directed or else its just an automatism, the very antipathy of a Numinous or Divine reality.
mbabbitt on March 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Nice butt coverage there, even throwing a “stupid” in for good measure. Stay classy.
I was referring to the earlier “sticks” you made here:
Sure, there’s no underhanded dig there at LDS with those statements. Nice try.
And how about this one from you further down the thread:
Nice implication (with the link) we’re all into the Liberal co-opt of “social justice” meme just because there’s some faction out there.
Nothing I said was knocking your “referenced compliment” above, because that came well after you had to throw a couple stones first – my commentary stands.
SkinnerVic on March 12, 2010 at 6:45 PM
Beck has been on this all day with his radio program. It is interesting that there is no follow up on this. I would of expected an update.
In any case, this is another example that the anti-Becks are using every opportunity to take him down…and that is people on the left and right. Shameful. As Beck is one of the good guys.
Conservative Voice on March 12, 2010 at 7:32 PM
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