Graham to Obama: If you use reconciliation on health care, it’ll kill amnesty

posted at 9:20 pm on March 11, 2010 by Allahpundit

Er … yeah. I hadn’t thought of it that way. The time for talk is over. The time for amnesty has begun.

It’s so crazy it just. might. work.

Graham, along with Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), met with Obama to update him on their efforts to advance immigration reform legislation. During the meeting, Graham said he made it clear to the president that the already difficult task of passing immigration reform becomes even harder when reconciliation is in play.

“I expressed, in no uncertain terms, my belief that immigration reform could come to a halt for the year if health care reconciliation goes forward. For more than a year, health care has sucked most of the energy out of the room. Using reconciliation to push health care through will make it much harder for Congress to come together on a topic as important as immigration,” Graham said in a statement.

The One’s response: Some statesmanlike hemming and hawing punctuated by a reminder that his commitment to comprehensive immigration reform is “unwavering.” Then he held a separate meeting with amnesty advocacy groups and came out vowing to have a bipartisan (giggle) “framework” for a bill in place by March 21. Which is a lovely pander, but as we discussed last night, that’s as far as this trainwreck in the making is getting this year. But never mind that. I’m more interested in Graham’s motivation here. Is this (a) a thinly veiled threat that he’ll walk away from immigration reform if Obama proceeds with reconciliation? (b) A simple statement of fact, that bipartisan relations will be poisoned by such a raw show of political power on an issue as hot-button as health care? (c) A devilish ploy to try to peel off members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus by convincing them that a vote for O-Care is a de facto vote to kill immigration reform next year? Or (d) a sincere appraisal by a heartfelt amnesty shill that Democratic shenanigans on health care are going to kill his dream? I know which way I’m betting.

Exit question: Will Rush be pushing amnesty on tomorrow’s show? Operation Chaos, take two!


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Senator Graham is an opportunistic idiot, and hopefully the people of South Carolina will boot him out next election. He is not a conservative. He should NOT be dangling the idea of amnesty as some kind of deal or trade-off! Conservatives HATE Graham, as they hate McCain! He makes backroom deals, crosses the aisles, and betrays conservative principles. WE HATE GRAHAM!!!!!

Mark7788 on March 11, 2010 at 10:56 PM

The only amnesty people should get is a work visa and have to go home for awhile. The real problem is we have no guest worker visa program. Most illegals come here to work seasonal and go home and spend money where it buys more. We are getting them stuck on this side of border when we tighten it up, so for them it’s better we give them citizenship. Its all crap and no logic.

Ed Laskie on March 11, 2010 at 11:09 PM

So?

Star20 on March 11, 2010 at 11:15 PM

(c) A devilish ploy to try to peel off members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus by convincing them that a vote for O-Care is a de facto vote to kill immigration reform next year?

We’re just not that clever. A “yes” vote on either is the act of a socialist. These dopes are suppose to govern not rule.

Mojave Mark on March 11, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Are you a free range chicken?

Spathi on March 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM

NO Republican should support amnesty or “comprehensive immigration reform” as supporters call it. It’s one of the three legs of Obama’s Marxist coup, the other two being Obamacare and Cap & Trade. These three initiatives are designed to create a permanent Leftist government.

DerKrieger on March 11, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Jus’ shuddddap, Lindsey

ErinF on March 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM

The GOP really needs to kick Lady Lindsey out of the caucus. Truly. Let him go be the micro-mavericky maverick on his own or with the dems. Let Lindsey jump to the sinking ship, the blithering idiot.

neurosculptor on March 12, 2010 at 12:16 AM

Spathi on March 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Is… the… nar..rator.. a good… ex..ample of.. the myth..ologic..al Paul..bot that I of..ten hear.. about?

disillusioned on March 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM

I have to take a moment and pray for forgiveness for the thoughts and comments I almost posted about Lindsey Graham.

*grits teeth*

Midas on March 12, 2010 at 12:44 AM

I view this as a false approach and a terrible remedy.

Existing mandate laced health care rationing bill [MLHCRB] = WRONG

Lindsey Graham – Chuck Schumer pro amnesty – immigration = WRONG

We’re looking at a double negative here. The MLHCRB is at death’s door and who is being sly?

Why is this South Carolina senator working on amnesty when “It’s the economy” stupid. Does he have the same problem as Biden when trying to get the number of letters in the word J_O_B_S?

Americannodash on March 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM

I interrupt this thread on health care to bring you a message from Butt Drugs.

Sharke on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM

Senator Graham is an opportunistic idiot, and hopefully the people of South Carolina will boot him out next election. He is not a conservative. He should NOT be dangling the idea of amnesty as some kind of deal or trade-off! Conservatives HATE Graham, as they hate McCain! He makes backroom deals, crosses the aisles, and betrays conservative principles. WE HATE GRAHAM!!!!!

Mark7788 on March 11, 2010 at 10:56 PM

He was just reelected in 08 IIRC. Shame too. This would be the election to do it. Playing his ‘we should nationalize the banking industry’ comment he made on Greta’s show back around new years ’09 over and over would be an easy way to tear him down.

clement on March 12, 2010 at 1:33 AM

Y’know, it’s really a shame that the GOP can’t, like, lock Graham in a closet and just trot him out whenever Gitmo or terrorism come up.

And then put him away again afterward.

On immigration, on carbon regulation, he’s so committed to ‘doing a deal’ regardless of the impact of that deal that he’s deadly.

JEM on March 12, 2010 at 2:19 AM

At long last, a reason for support reconciliation: it kills amnesty!!

bayview on March 12, 2010 at 2:28 AM

I say we encourage Lindsey on this one and if it works…turn around, stab him in the back (metaphorically of course)and NUKE him right out of office. You know…. double cross him just like he has to the conservatives for years!!!

katy on March 11, 2010 at 9:37 PM

I really, really like this idea.

Dusty on March 12, 2010 at 2:36 AM

Flawed tools. I hope they snap.

Sherman1864 on March 12, 2010 at 6:02 AM

WE NEED AMNESTY NOW!

The Dems need the votes without having to deal with their old base of people who worked for a living and corporations who manufactured something and turned a profit.

The new citizens can enjoy free healthcare without dealing with nasty old emergency rooms. This overloaded, underfunded system will make our healthcare just like Cuba’s.

Not enforcing our immigration laws will be augmented with local police afraid to enforce other laws against illegals (which is happening now) so that crime can help much more in The One’s dream of income redistribution.

IlikedAUH2O on March 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM

immigration reform could come to a halt for the year

“for the year” is the key phrase. That damn Graham won’t really walk away completely. He’s still in the amnesty pocket.

drjohn on March 12, 2010 at 6:36 AM

The only immigration reform worth supporting is the efforts to secure the borders and crack down on employers that hire illegals. Then, we deport any and all illegals back to their country of origin. After those steps have been taken, we can talk about immigration policy.

highhopes on March 12, 2010 at 7:12 AM

This is like Sophie’s Choice. Do I kill my country via amnesty or do I kill my country via nationalized health care?

Hmmm….

angryed on March 12, 2010 at 7:38 AM

Who is his constituency on this matter BTW? I can see someone like Diane Feinstein wanting amnesty since it will create a few million new Dem voters in California. Or maybe even a Sen from Texas who wants to buy his votes from the large pool of illegals in the state. And of course McAmnesty needs to kiss Hispanic ass to get elected as well.

But what does it do for Graham? Is there a large block of illegals in Columbia and Charleston just chomping at the bit to become citizens and vote for a Republican of which I am not aware?

Of all freaking Senators, he would be the least likely to want amnesty or really care about it one way or another.

I just don’t get it.

angryed on March 12, 2010 at 7:42 AM

highhopes on March 12, 2010 at 7:12 AM

Stupid me. I never uderstood why we can’t enforce the existing immigration laws.

And I just watched the film Border about the flood of problems coming across our southern border which dated back to tne Bush administration.

We need a community organizer for tax paying, law abiding legal citizens.

IlikedAUH2O on March 12, 2010 at 7:44 AM

Someone seriously needs to serve Lindsey Graham a nice piping hot cup of SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

In fact, in his case, pouring the whole damned pot down his gullet may be in order!

pilamaye on March 12, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Oh Graham . . . enough of you. South Carolina, please replace him.

rplat on March 12, 2010 at 8:40 AM

oiy….Goober threatening the President with undermining amnesty if he pursues reconciliation? That’s like saying, “if you do that, I’m not gonna shoot myself in the head!”

olesparkie on March 12, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Graham is trying to distract Zero and the dems, give them something else to latch onto as a reason to drop healthcare for awhile. He’ playing a political game with them. The only thing is, if he loses the game, we all lose. Got your National ID card on you.

Kissmygrits on March 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM

What has Miss Lindsay Graham got to gain from this? I don’t understand what is in this for her unless she has alot of illegals in her state that will keep her airhead butt in office…

theaddora on March 12, 2010 at 9:29 AM

No it isn’t, more stupidity Grahmanesty. They will violate every ethics and congressional rule to force this on us as well!

xler8bmw on March 12, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Did I miss something? When was Lindsey Graham made the minority leader in the senate.

Jdripper on March 12, 2010 at 9:52 AM

When is Graham going to get voted out of office? To call Graham Opportunistic is insulting to Opportunist.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Anyone who saw Grahamnesty’s address at the La Raza convention knows he cannot be trusted. He is a two-faced lying coward and totally unfit to hold public office. Those in South Carolina who voted for this ass have made their state look like ignorant rednecks.

volsense on March 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Graham-Schumer on immigration is the second phase of the McCain-Kennedy debacle that was tried under Bush. Since Grahamnsesty is merely a McCain lapdog, it is only fitting that the weasel try to do what his master could not do. Flush the RINOs before it is too late.

volsense on March 12, 2010 at 10:07 AM

I live in SC and didn’t vote for this assclown (I voted for the authentic democrat instead). Graham is too stupid to use this ploy to kill healthcare. Obama’s time clock is fast running out and he’s going to try to jam everything but the kitchen sink down America’s throat before the numbers in Congress turn him into a Nubian eunich.

kens on March 12, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Is this A-hole an asset or libility to the right. I personally think he is an ailse crosser we don’t need. He learned nothing when the folks said no on immigration…. Is this any different from the arrogant democrats and our boy king snubbing the will of the American people??????

bluegrass on March 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Graham is trying to distract Zero and the dems, give them something else to latch onto as a reason to drop healthcare for awhile. He’ playing a political game with them. The only thing is, if he loses the game, we all lose. Got your National ID card on you.

Kissmygrits on March 12, 2010 at 9:26 AM

I had this fleeting thought as well, but I think Graham is a true believer in legalizing illegals. However, if he truly were pulling a rope-a-dope on the prez and the dems, they’d never see it coming. Not from him anyway. Hell, I’d doubt that’s what had happened, even after I saw him do it with my own eyes.

Sadly, I’m pretty sure we’re not gonna see this.

runawayyyy on March 12, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Graham is not up for re-election until 2015…

barnone on March 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM

2015 is not an election year.

jpmn on March 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Rush is mentioning this thread right now on his show!!!

karenhasfreedom on March 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Rush is answering your exit question.

Ryan Anthony on March 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Rush!!

txmomof6 on March 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Got the Rush shout out!!!

jlemieu1 on March 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM

HAHAHAHA!!!! AP, RUSH JUST READ THIS POST ON HIS SHOW AND GAVE YOU SOME AIRTIME!!! LMFAO!!!

Sultry Beauty on March 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Yay AllahP!! You made Rush’s show again! Congrats!

Califemme on March 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Obscure anonymous blogger gets mentioned, by name, on the EIB network.

Not bad for an oddball blogger, eh?

Brian1972 on March 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Welcome Rush listeners!!!!

jlemieu1 on March 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM

What I found funniest was that he referred to Lynsey by AP’s pet name, Grahamnesty!!

Sultry Beauty on March 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM

did he say “that Allahpundit guy”?

birdman on March 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Congrats on just being mentioned, HotAir and the Allahpundit guy!

NTWR on March 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM

How much more with AP mention Rush in his blog entries? Rush does have web spiders scanning for his name.

jlemieu1 on March 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM

On immigration, on carbon regulation, he’s so committed to ‘doing a deal’ regardless of the impact of that deal that he’s deadly.

JEM on March 12, 2010 at 2:19 AM

Note for the next non-Democrat administration: If Graham is still in office, offer him a special Ambassadorship for CO2 Reduction to China.

That should safely get rid of him.

LarryD on March 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Graham is not up for re-election until 2015…

barnone on March 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Graham is up for re-election in 2014. Let’s hope that someone emerges by then who can defeat him in a primary.

There’s a Russian proverb that comes to mind :

A fool is a terrible thing to have around, but a fool with energy is a nightmare.

RedPepper on March 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Isn’t this nightmare over yet?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 11, 2010 at 9:36 PM

NEVER.
Bcs idiots like this will keep wearing us down until we are not paying attention one day & slip in their horrible evil plans secretly under the door while you are looking the other way.

Badger40 on March 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Graham is not pulling a rope a dope. He is at best a simple dope, and at worst, he also wants Healthcare

The DEMs have also set a short deadline on the amnesty push, i.s. to get amnesty in before the coming election. Graham is working with the WH stategists on this one (or he is simply being used, if you think he is a mere simpleton)

If Healthcare truly gets reconciled in by a gimmick, the anti healthcare vote will be out in force. Obama needs only one thing – a veto proof majority – to embed Healthcare reform into the system.

Obama will lose the backlash vote but an amnesty victory will gain Hispanic votes, and a huge new block of illegal alien motor-voters, which will explode in anticipation of a health care card for everyone

Obama has nothing much more to lose by going for amnesty in the coming election, and possibily a huge gain

Little Lindsey is the ultimate tool, as he runs from news network to news network doing promos for the progressives

entagor on March 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Rush is answering your exit question.

Ryan Anthony on March 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Allahpundit is doing Rush’s show prep for him for free. Between Allahpundit and Drudge Rush can just get on the air and bring up the respective websites.

Decider on March 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Wow AP, Rush giving you a shout out! I’ve heard him give several to Ed, but I think this is a first for you!

Congrats AP! Nicely done!

margategop517 on March 12, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Lindsey Graham addressing La Raza:

“The reason that I have gotten involved in this is because Senator McCain started talking to me about it, from an Arizona perspective. And I want to thank John McCain for being a leader. And I don’t do this much but I want to thank Ted Kennedy because those two gentlemen got this thing started and the rest of us are kind of figuring out how to get there.”

“An American is an idea. No group owns being an American. NOBODY owns this. It’s an idea that’s unique to the planet.”

“We are going to solve this problem. We are not going to run people down. We’re not going to scapegoat people. We’re going to tell the BIGOTS TO SHUT UP.”

So for all you people that think Graham is playing some sort of “game” with Obama, or that McCain and the other RINOs are not onboard with this, think again and face reality. They are passionate about this and will do everything possible to make it happen. They don’t give a s**t about your little phone calls.

nottakingsides on March 12, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Graham to Obama: If you use reconciliation on health care, it’ll kill amnesty.

Hey Goober…if you get your gang bang of 14 together and try to ram thru healthcare and then ram thru amnesty…it’ll kill your career.
Call this wetend and let him know…he is going against the American people if he continues this crap.

HornetSting on March 12, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Allahpundit is doing Rush’s show prep for him for free. Between Allahpundit and Drudge Rush can just get on the air and bring up the respective websites.

Decider on March 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Who is doing the show prep for Air America?
Oh wait……

HornetSting on March 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM

I see, more iodine poisoning from Grahamnesty!

BobAnthony on March 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM

So for all you people that think Graham is playing some sort of “game” with Obama, or that McCain and the other RINOs are not onboard with this, think again and face reality. They are passionate about this and will do everything possible to make it happen. They don’t give a s**t about your little phone calls.

nottakingsides on March 12, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Summer of 2007.
We will do it again.

HornetSting on March 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM

HornetSting on March 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Hornet, thanks for the laugh! Waiting for keyboard to short out from the soda that came rushing out of my mouth all over it!

I love you all for all the giggles!

margategop517 on March 12, 2010 at 4:24 PM

There’s not a bit of difference between Obama and Lindsay. Both were told REPEATEDLY that the people didn’t want what they were trying to shove down our throats. Does Lindsay think we won’t remember that he tried to create millions of new Democrat voters? Does he not think we’ll remember he tried to further bankrupt this country by having the working class pay for these “new” citizens?

ConservativeTony on March 12, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Lindsey Graham will be a lame duck by the time his next term ends. He has to know that every politician that has supported amnesty has taken a hit in popularity. G.W. Bush began his death spiral in popularity because of amnesty. I strongly believe that amnesty killed John McCain in his Presidential bid by killing his support among his own base. He never could energize the base for him because of it. I lot of conservatives stayed home rather than vote for him and the Hispanics went for Obama despite McCain supporting amnesty.

Hawthorne on March 12, 2010 at 5:38 PM

The time for amnesty has begun.

It is indeed time.

Regardless of the true number of illegals that are here, they can not all be rounded up and deported:

1) Families will be split. Illegals will be deported. Their children that have been born on US soil (and thus are US citizens) can not be deported. Fracturing families is not a practical solution.

2) The lost tax revenue from businesses paying them under the table is in the billions. Add to that the costs associated with finding, processing, and deporting illegals and the policy of deportation becomes a fiscal nightmare.

3) They want to work. They also want an opportunity to live the American dream that many Americans have taken for granted. America is the only country that people are willing to risk their lives to get into, and not out of.

4) The Republican party used to be the party of individual rights. It has now become the party of NO. The only way to convince these potential voters to vote for Republicans is stop being the party of NO and show them how much money the other party wants to take from their hard earned dollars.

Grant them amnesty. Give them a reasons to want to vote Republican, instead of giving them a single reason not to.

rukiddingme on March 12, 2010 at 6:12 PM

the Allahpundit guy

Roiiiight.
Congrats on the mention.

justltl on March 12, 2010 at 7:19 PM

This man needs to loose his next election. Why do they keep voting for him???

wi farmgirl on March 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Ha!
“silver linings”, nice

BobH on March 11, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Hehehe, yeah, I’m still laughing aloud about that one, too.

Lourdes on March 12, 2010 at 9:45 PM

This man needs to loose his next election. Why do they keep voting for him???

wi farmgirl on March 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM

My guess is that’s Charlston is to blame. And only Charlston. The rest of the state isn’t ‘attitudinal’ like that, if you get my drift.

Lourdes on March 12, 2010 at 9:46 PM

About the Obama plans (“a path to citizenship” or, otherwise, pay money for amnesty), I’m wondering how he thinks he’s going to get around the fact that selling U.S. citizenship is against the law.

I guess he missed that in law school.

Lourdes on March 12, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Obamacare will make him an Historic Figure, like FDR for Social Security or LBJ for Medicare. One more amnesty won’t get him nearly as much praise in lefty history books.

Wethal on March 11, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Actually, to the contrary.

IF Obamacare gets passed, it’ll certify Barack Hussein Obama as a demented dictator who lacks all regard for reason and loyalty to this nation, as also his vilification to that Oath of Office he ‘swore’ to.

If Obamacare passes, he will forever be memorialized and remembered, when for moments people forget to gird their thoughts against dark and dismal memories, as the ghoulish destroyer of the United States of America.

He’d salvage what is left of his possibly passable legacy if he set the Obamacare mess aside and did start over, had the decency to say he understands the American people and realizes we are not pleased (at all) with his methods as of this date.

He can’t do the salvage (and good) thing because he is, truly, a ghoulish destroyer of the U.S.A. and he does not respect the will of the people, nor that document he swore to protect and defend. Truly, so I think.

Lourdes on March 12, 2010 at 9:54 PM

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