Good news: “Under God” clause in pledge of allegiance once again constitutional in California

posted at 8:01 pm on March 11, 2010 by Allahpundit

You win this round. But we’ll be back.

“The Pledge is constitutional,” Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. “The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded.”

The same court ruled in Newdow’s favor in 2002 after he sued his daughter’s school district for having students recite the pledge at school.

That lawsuit reached the U.S. Supreme Court in 2004, but the high court ruled that Newdow lacked the legal standing to file the suit because he didn’t have custody of his daughter, on whose behalf he brought the case…

Reached on his cell phone, Newdow said he hadn’t been aware that the appeals court had ruled against him Thursday.

“Oh man, what a bummer,” he said.

Here’s the PDF of the opinion in case you’re up for a little light reading. Total pages: 193, including a 130-page dissent by ultraliberal Stephen Reinhardt. The gist of the majority opinion:

Where, as here, compulsion to recite is absent, government action respects an establishment of religion only if the government coerces students to engage in a religious exercise. Coercion to engage in a patriotic activity, like the Pledge of Allegiance, does not run afoul of the Establishment Clause. The Supreme Court recognized this distinction in the earliest of the school prayer cases, Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962). In Engel, the Court considered a school’s policy directing children to say aloud a prayer written by state officials. The Court found this policy violated the Establishment Clause because “[the] program of daily classroom invocation of God’s blessings as prescribed in the Regents’ prayer is a religious activity. It is a solemn avowal of divine faith and supplication for the blessings of the Almighty. The nature of such a prayer has always been religious.” Id. at 424-25. The Court was also careful, however, to distinguish the prayer in Engel from a ceremonial reference to God in a footnote…

In other words, the Establishment Clause is violated only if (a) you’re forced to praise God or (b) forced to listen to someone else praise God in the context of a prayer. No prayer + no compulsion = no problemo! Drop a bomb on ’em, Reinhardt:

The undeniably religious purpose of the “under God” amendment to the Pledge and the inherently coercive nature of its teacher-led daily recitation in public schools ought to be sufficient under any Establishment Clause analysis to vindicate Jan Roe and her child’s constitutional claim, and to require that the Pledge of Allegiance, when recited as part of a daily state-directed, teacher-led program, be performed in its original, pre-amendment secular incarnation that served us so well for generations. Surely, our original Pledge, without the McCarthy-era effort to indoctrinate our nation’s children with a state-held religious belief, was no less patriotic. For purposes of this case, the only difference between the original secular Pledge and the amended religious version is that the former did not subject, and was not designed to subject, our children to an attempt by their government to impose on them a religious belief regarding the existence of God. We should indeed have had more faith in our country, our citizens, and our Constitution than we exhibited at the peak of the McCarthy era when we enacted the religious amendment to our Pledge of Allegiance, in part to inculcate in our children a belief in God. In doing so, we abandoned our historic principle that secular matters were for the state and matters of faith were for the church. The majority does so again today, sadly, by twisting, distorting, and misrepresenting the law, as well as the issues that are before us.

Today’s majority opinion will undoubtedly be celebrated, at least publicly, by almost all political figures, and by many citizens as well, without regard for the constitutional principles it violates and without regard for the judicial precedents it defies and distorts, just as this court’s decision in Newdow I1 was condemned by so many who did not even bother to read it and simply rushed to join the political bandwagon. As before, there will be little attention paid to the constitutional rights of the minority or to the fundamental tenets of the Establishment Clause. Instead, to the joy or relief, as the case may be, of the two members of the majority, this court’s willingness to abandon its constitutional responsibilities will be praised as patriotic and may even burnish the court’s reputation among those who believe that it adheres too strictly to the dictates of the Constitution or that it values excessively the mandate of the Bill of Rights.

Don’t be too hard on ol’ Steve: He sided with the majority today in a related case finding that “In God We Trust” is A-OK on the currency. As for the pledge, I don’t see the point of the coercion requirement. If Congress passed some strictly hortatory “sense of the House/Senate resolution” that God exists and should be worshiped, I’d like to think that a court would knock that down as a violation of the Establishment Clause. “Congress shall make no law” means Congress shall make no law, coercive or not. But your mileage may — and, I’m sure, will — vary.

Elsewhere in atheism news, apparently it’s cool for us to be Buddhists now. Nuance.


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One can be wrong and not be a worshiper of dark forces. I mean come on.ronsfi on March 11, 2010 at 10:52 PM

I’ll leave your own words at that.

You win.

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 10:53 PM

As long as I don’t daesleeper myself I’m good.

ronsfi on March 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM

Must be the logical outworking of your oh so logical worldview.

I bow.

daesleeper on March 11, 2010 at 10:54 PM

That’s the way most professed Christians here are treating the atheists.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 10:53 PM

I don’t speak for others.

You win.

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 10:54 PM

laughable.
right4life on March 11, 2010 at 10:50 PM

History goes back a lot further then that.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM

History goes back a lot further then that.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM

oh yeah Voltair for example was HORRIBLY PERSECUTED by those evil christians!!

right.

delusional.

right4life on March 11, 2010 at 11:00 PM

right4life on March 11, 2010 at 11:00 PM

In the astounding words of Liam, “you win“.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:02 PM

In the astounding words of Liam, “you win“.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:02 PM

lets see, you make up some lies about history, and are unable to back it up.

typical…you lose…now and especially later!!

have a nice day!

right4life on March 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM

right4life on March 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM

What lies?

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Notice this: BB gets a ‘win’ ans STILL doesn’t shut the F up!

What does that say about liberals?

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM

right4life on March 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Eariy Rome:
Constantius, a Christian, decreed that all pagan temples in the empire be immediately closed. He warned that anyone who dared still offer sacrifices of worship to the once-revered gods and goddesses in these temples were to be put to death. Similarly, any governor to refused to enforce this decree was also to be punished.

But it wasn’t just the emperors who persecuted the pagans. Lay Christians took advantage of these new anti-pagan laws by destroying and plundering the temples. Theologians and prominent ecclesiastics soon followed. One such example is St. Ambrose, Bishop of Milan. When Gratian became Roman emperor in 375, Ambrose, who was one of his closest educators, persuaded him to further suppress paganism. The emperor, at Ambrose’s advice, confiscated the properties of the pagan temples; seized the properties of the vestal virgins and pagan priests, and removed the statue of the Goddess of Victory from the Roman Senate.

North Europe:
Norse pagans were the subject of much religious intolerance from Christians. The priests were killed, temples torn down and the followers persecuted and killed.

In 1087 king Inge I of Sweden, who earlier had been forced away, traveled with his housecarls through Smalandia and Ostrogothia, riding both day and night, until he arrived in Sweden. Having arrived at Old Uppsala, he surrounded the hall of Blot-Sweyn, and set the hall on fire. When the king ran out, he was immediately slain. This is probably the date of the destruction of the Temple at Uppsala.

Want more?

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Mmm, that’s red.

For you.

Ugly on March 11, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM

These threads can get brutal and no minds get changed. Don’t let it get to you.

Cindy Munford on March 11, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

And what about 500 Christians being butchered the other day? Will YOU shed a tear for any of them?

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:24 PM

“Under God” is basically saying that we’re a God-fearing nation. And it certainly suggests some sort of official government position about God’s existence and proper humility towards him.

Allahpundit on March 11, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Yeah… and you have an issue with that.

Ugly on March 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM

STILL doesn’t shut the F up!
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM

How Christian of you.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM

In 1087 king Inge I of Sweden, who earlier had been forced away, traveled with his housecarls through Smalandia and Ostrogothia, riding both day and night, until he arrived in Sweden. Having arrived at Old Uppsala, he surrounded the hall of Blot-Sweyn, and set the hall on fire. When the king ran out, he was immediately slain. This is probably the date of the destruction of the Temple at Uppsala.

Want more?

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

The Olafs are another example.

You had Olaf Trygvasson who slapped Queen Sigrid because she wouldn’t abandon the religion her forefathers held to, though there is debate that Sigrid was even a real person.

Holger on March 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM

These threads can get brutal and no minds get changed. Don’t let it get to you.

Cindy Munford on March 11, 2010 at 11:24 PM

I love calling libs on their own stuff. It’s a game, Cindy. It only gets tight if someone like you gets assailed. Then all signals are off.

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:26 PM

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Horrific and the World Vision workers killed in Pakistan.

Cindy Munford on March 11, 2010 at 11:26 PM

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Yes! Again how Christian of you to assume I wouldn’t.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:27 PM

How Christian of you.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM

That’s all you have? Rather than stay to the combat you engaged, you hope I’ll back off.

Guess what? I’m a sinner, and really horrible when in battle. I’ll account to God later, and pay His penalty as He decides according to His righteousness.

In the interim, I’ll be at you by YOUR measure. That’s fair, right? On a level playing field?

YOU set the terms, so I’m in. As YOU want. It would be totally bigoted if I did things as a Christian, wouldn’t it? So I meet you on YOUR terms.

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:26 PM

I appreciate it but acts of kindness and friendship are the only things that have the power to touch me. Anything else is just interesting.

Cindy Munford on March 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM

What terms did I set?

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Cindy Munford on March 11, 2010 at 11:26 PM

You’re an excellent woman, Cindy. Don’t ever change!

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:34 PM

You win this round. But we’ll be back.

Just read this line. AllahP is a well-paid troll.

Ugly on March 11, 2010 at 11:34 PM

What terms did I set?

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:33 PM

By your own posts, you have set open combat–no quarter asked and none given. If you forget, or want details, look to your own posts.

I take you as you have presented yourself. If you have any issues, it’s not up to me to remind you. I take you as you have shown of yourself.

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Cop-out! Just like this post:>

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Coward! I called you on your own posts, and you call me a chicken for not running the list of YOUR own words.

OK. You win again!

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Good night Liam and may God bless you and yours.

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:41 PM

OK, thanks!

Liam on March 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

How about your boy Diocletian?

daesleeper on March 11, 2010 at 11:47 PM

Allahpundit on March 11, 2010 at 8:18 PM

The law imposes no penalty for failure to comply with the Flag Code, so just continue enjoying your free exercise of whatever it is you exercise. Nothing has been established that infringes on your rights.

Ronnie on March 12, 2010 at 12:03 AM

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

You remind me of my ex, the ‘Christian’ who goes to church 10 times a week. According to her, God told her it was okay to sleep with other guys while still married to me.

People like YOU are amazing. So never again call me to service under the Bible. I’ll be doing things YOUR way, and account to God later. Face it–you don’t truly believe in the Bible, do you? So don’t condemn me for not doing to a thing in which YOU don’t believe in the first place.

It’s the ‘progressive’ way!

Liam on March 12, 2010 at 12:11 AM

I might be Australian, but Reinhardt does not understand the principle of separation of Church and State. It does not mean what he stated: that secular issues are for the state and that religious issues are for the church.

Separation of Church and State, no matter if it is in the USA, Australia or elsewhere means that no one religion will be the state religion.

To give this some meaning one must have some inkling of the historical background, which goes back to the early Christian era where in Rome the state religion was that the emperor was god, until Constantine determined that Christianity was the state religion. The issue came to a head during the years of the turmoil associated with the reformation. The principle is influenced by the events in England where the Church of England was the State religion with the monarch becoming the Head of the Church of England. The founding fathers reversed that situation determining that no one religion will be a state religion. In doing this they gave the people the freedom to practice any religion, or even no religion.

What it means is that the principle of separation of church and state is violated when Islamists attempt to impose sharia on the state.

As such Reinhardt has taken a meaning that was never intended by your founding fathers. (he is a goose).

maggieo on March 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM

maggieo on March 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM

What is an Aussie doing here? I gotta know!

Liam on March 12, 2010 at 12:18 AM

Because we are talking supernatural vs. natural. You can’t prove the supernatural in natural terms. It’s nonsensical. So the whole who has the burden of proof debate just let’s one said evade having to make actual arguments.

terryannonline on March 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Neither can you disprove the supernatural in natural terms.

jimmy2shoes on March 12, 2010 at 6:51 AM

I gotta say that if this can outrage atheists (along with nativity scenes) then they must not have any real oppression and ‘establishment of religion’ to complain about. I can see an atheists reasonably saying “I think this technically may be a violation of the Constitution but it’s not a big deal.” but to make to much hay out of it only serves to highlight how little you have to complain about.

Eariy Rome:
Constantius, a Christian, decreed that all pagan temples in the empire be immediately closed. He warned that anyone who dared still offer sacrifices of worship to the once-revered gods and goddesses in these temples were to be put to death. Similarly, any governor to refused to enforce this decree was also to be punished.

But it wasn’t just the emperors who persecuted the pagans. Lay Christians took advantage of these new anti-pagan laws by destroying and plundering the temples. Theologians and prominent ecclesiastics soon followed. One such example is St. Ambrose, Bishop of Milan. When Gratian became Roman emperor in 375, Ambrose, who was one of his closest educators, persuaded him to further suppress paganism. The emperor, at Ambrose’s advice, confiscated the properties of the pagan temples; seized the properties of the vestal virgins and pagan priests, and removed the statue of the Goddess of Victory from the Roman Senate.

North Europe:
Norse pagans were the subject of much religious intolerance from Christians. The priests were killed, temples torn down and the followers persecuted and killed.

In 1087 king Inge I of Sweden, who earlier had been forced away, traveled with his housecarls through Smalandia and Ostrogothia, riding both day and night, until he arrived in Sweden. Having arrived at Old Uppsala, he surrounded the hall of Blot-Sweyn, and set the hall on fire. When the king ran out, he was immediately slain. This is probably the date of the destruction of the Temple at Uppsala.

In the 19th century the phrase ‘under God’ was added to the pledge of allegiance in the United States

Want more?

Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

For example. Ok, I added that last one – but you get my point.

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Eariy Rome:
Constantius, a Christian, decreed that all pagan temples in the empire be immediately closed. He warned that anyone who dared still offer sacrifices of worship to the once-revered gods and goddesses in these temples were to be put to death. Similarly, any governor to refused to enforce this decree was also to be punished

uh Billy bob, pagans are not atheists…sorry. lets see after 3 centuries of persecution by Rome, and then things change…cry me a river.

North Europe:
Norse pagans were the subject of much religious intolerance from Christians. The priests were killed, temples torn down and the followers persecuted and killed.

In 1087 king Inge I of Sweden, who earlier had been forced away, traveled with his housecarls through Smalandia and Ostrogothia, riding both day and night, until he arrived in Sweden. Having arrived at Old Uppsala, he surrounded the hall of Blot-Sweyn, and set the hall on fire. When the king ran out, he was immediately slain. This is probably the date of the destruction of the Temple at Uppsala.

Want more?

the king was slain?? oh gee like thats never happened in history before EVIL CHRISTIANS DID IT!!!

right, your examples are small potatoes…laughable compared to the TENS OF MILLIONS MURDERED AND TORTURED BY ATHEISTS just in the last century

nice try billy bob, but its really laughable.

right4life on March 12, 2010 at 8:02 AM

oh and billy bob, I find it amusing that you have to go back MILLENIA to find examples of EVIL CHRISTIANS…when I can point at north korea, and Cuba, among many others, like Chavez, of atheist atrocities today..

oh and where were all those atheist abolitionist societies in the fight against slavery? let me guess, you think Wilberforce was a closet atheist!!

right4life on March 12, 2010 at 8:05 AM

Reached on his cell phone, Newdow said he hadn’t been aware that the appeals court had ruled against him Thursday.
“Oh man, what a bummer,” he said.

Oh buck up, bunkie! You still have the opportunity of renouncing your citizenship and taking your sorry atheistic butt down to Venezuela, where you can then pledge your undying loyalty to the Evil Clown.

Oh wait. He may be Catholic.

Hey! There’s still China!

pilamaye on March 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM

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Bill Blizzard on March 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Considering what the Roman Empire had been doing to Christians for the previous 300 years, is it in any way surprising that when the Christians got their own Emperor, they gave pay pack to the pagans?

MarkTheGreat on March 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM

We’re supposed to be grateful that the 9th Circuit deities have recognized another higher power almost equal to themselves?

olesparkie on March 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Any doubt what George Washington would think about this? Uh, no.

Akzed on March 12, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Is the Declaration of Independence also unconstitutional? Or maybe only reading the Declaration of Independence in school is unconstitutional?

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 9:33 AM

I can see an atheists reasonably saying “I think this technically may be a violation of the Constitution but it’s not a big deal.”
gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM

That’s pretty much where I am on this.
Oh, well. After about fourth grade or so, I just recited the pledge without the “under God” part, anyway.
Ultimately, I would chalk this up to yet another problem inherent in public schooling.

Count to 10 on March 12, 2010 at 9:34 AM

right4life on March 12, 2010 at 8:05 AM

Chavez is atheist?
I figured him for a Catholic.

Count to 10 on March 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Ultimately, I would chalk this up to yet another problem inherent in public schooling.

Count to 10 on March 12, 2010 at 9:34 AM

And I’m sure even those who object to the pledge containing the phrase ‘under God’ and this being recited in schools would agree that our public schools have much much bigger problems. I’ll be happy if the day arrives where ‘under God’ truly is the most pressing issue before us.

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM

I’ll be happy if the day arrives where ‘under God’ truly is the most pressing issue before us.

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM

That would be kind of nice, wouldn’t it?

Count to 10 on March 12, 2010 at 9:50 AM

WWOD?

It doesn’t really matter until ObaMao makes a statement about it without all of the facts.

mwdiver on March 12, 2010 at 9:53 AM

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Actually, I think that was added in the 20th century….just pickin nits, carry on….

runawayyyy on March 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Actually, I think that was added in the 20th century….just pickin nits, carry on….

runawayyyy on March 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Correct – I meant to type 20th century

gwelf on March 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM

God bless America. In God we trust.

sinsing on March 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM

maggieo on March 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM

Spot on, maggieo. I guess you might be an Australian (are you one?), but (a) that’s awesome, and (b) you’ve perfectly articulated the history and thinking behind the first amendment to our Constitution.

It has never been an American tradition to refrain from invoking God in the public square because some don’t believe in Him. There is no principle of our governance that demands that. In fact, at the time the Constitution was adopted, some of the original states had state churches, and that was not deemed unconstitutional. The Founders distinguished clearly between what was permissible government activity at the state or local level, and what was appropriate for the central — federal — government.

If AP really wanted to argue against “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance as the Founders would have argued against it, he’d invoke the original principle of federalism, under which there’s not a bad argument that the federal government shouldn’t be requiring the Pledge of Allegiance at all.

We have Wilson and FDR to thank for the effective subjugation of the original federalist principle, which has made the American people look for national government activism, and accept it as a given.

The importance of federalism to the Founders has largely been lost in our school curricula and national thinking over the past century. But the whole point of the Constitutional convention that started in 1787 was to address the problem of creating a federal central government that woud function better than the Articles of Confederation. What “federalism” should look like was the supreme thing on the minds of the Founders. It was their whole purpose for convening and negotiating.

Anyway, thanks, maggieo. Go Oz!

J.E. Dyer on March 12, 2010 at 1:58 PM

why don’t you go to a country more of your liking? you know, North Korea, or Cuba? where an atheist can feel right at home…persecuting christians, and any who dare disagree with your atheism.

right4life on March 11, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Oh how I love the “I disagree with you so why don’t you move out of the country while I tar you as unpatriotic” debate tactic.

Golf clap.

PS. You show how untenable your own position is by using such infantile tactics.

Seixon on March 12, 2010 at 2:24 PM

In other words, the Establishment Clause is violated only if (a) you’re forced to praise God or (b) forced to listen to someone else praise God in the context of a prayer.

Nah, sloppy language aside, the only Establishment Clause question is (b). Forcing someone to recite the Pledge – with or without the “under God” part – violates the Free Speech Clause, not the Establishment Clause.

Xrlq on March 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM

As for loopy Steve’s siding with the majority on the currency case, you do realize why he did, right? I’m guessing you do but most of your readers don’t: it’s because the Pledge decision had created a brand spankin’ new Ninth Circuit precedent so clear even Loopy Steve couldn’t find a way to strike down the currency motto.

Xrlq on March 14, 2010 at 2:12 PM