American skepticism on AGW soars
posted at 4:30 pm on March 11, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Gallup has a new poll showing that the ground is eroding under the feet of anthropogenic global-warming advocates. Skepticism in the US has rapidly increased over the last four years, climbing from 30% in 2006 to almost half of all respondents in their latest survey:
Gallup’s annual update on Americans’ attitudes toward the environment shows a public that over the last two years has become less worried about the threat of global warming, less convinced that its effects are already happening, and more likely to believe that scientists themselves are uncertain about its occurrence. In response to one key question, 48% of Americans now believe that the seriousness of global warming is generally exaggerated, up from 41% in 2009 and 31% in 1997, when Gallup first asked the question.
Except for one year — the presidential election year of 2004 — skepticism had been a fairly marginal response in the US, hovering around the 30% mark. The scandals of the East Anglia CRU, the IPCC, and the climate-change industry in general appears to have seriously damaged the standing of AGW advocacy. As the chart shows, though, skepticism had already begun spiking well before the credibility collapse started in November.
Now, the marginalized group is those who see AGW as an existential threat within their lifetimes. That’s now down to 32% from a high of 40% in 2008, while skeptics on that point have increased to 67%. And there are even more reasons for skepticism now. Pajamas Media reports on more exposed e-mail, this time involving NASA, that shows that the government agency was hiding its own skepticism about its own data:
Email messages obtained by the Competitive Enterprise Institute via a Freedom of Information Act request reveal that the climate dataset of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) was considered — by the top climate scientists within NASA itself — to be inferior to the data maintained by the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU).
The NASA scientists also felt that NASA GISS data was inferior to the National Climate Data Center Global Historical Climate Network (NCDC GHCN) database.
These emails, obtained by Christopher Horner, also show that the NASA GISS dataset was not independent of CRU data.
Further, all of this information regarding the accuracy and independence of NASA GISS data was directly communicated to a reporter from USA Today in August 2007.
The reporter never published it.
Why is this important? Defenders of the East Anglia CRU conclusions, as well as those of the IPCC, insist that their data has an analog in NASA/GISS. They claim that even though East Anglia destroyed the raw data and that they have been exposed in manipulating results, the end result more or less matches what NASA/GISS has produced. If NASA considered its data inferior to the CRU effort, that calls both into question.
The effort continues to crumble, and as it does, it produces another hockey stick — a sharp increase not in global temperatures, but in global common sense.









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Try and hide that “decline’.
BobMbx on March 11, 2010 at 4:33 PM
I like the bend of that curve.
innominatus on March 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM
Is proof of a prior ice age not proof enough of the cyclical nature of temperature changes? How did it get cold and get hot before cars and industrial pollution?
TXMomof3 on March 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM
What’s falling faster…faith in the Obama god-child or the hoax that is AGW???
search4truth on March 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM
Close Ed. The critical matter is that the NASA data is not independant of the CRU data. The alarmists have been trying to defend the CRU conclusions by telling us that it must be right, because an independant effort at NASA came to the same conclusion. Now we find out that the efforts weren’t independant after all, so no wonder they came to the same conclusion.
MarkTheGreat on March 11, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Who disputes that natural fluctuations in climate occurs?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 4:37 PM
The graphed change in opinion looks almost like a hockey stick, wouldn’t you say?
Sheerq on March 11, 2010 at 4:39 PM
I knew the whole thing was a hoax when it was shown that many of the weather stations are position next to air conditioners and the response was to ignore that. It was clear then that science was not being done.
pedestrian on March 11, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Several years ago, MrsJL found one of those talking Ann Coulter dolls, that you press the button and it says something she at one time said. One of quotes was along the lines of “No wonder the liberals picked Global Warming to push, it will be a hundred years before we can prove them wrong on that one.”
Looks like that timeframe has just been drastically shortened.
JamesLee on March 11, 2010 at 4:40 PM
Yeah, seeing lies and arrogance tends to have that effect.
Vashta.Nerada on March 11, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Apparently the IPCC who conveniently disappeared the Roman Climate Optimum, The Medieval Warm Period, and The Little Ice Age.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM
How about the people who believe that a couple tenths of a degree change in temperature over a decade is proof that climate change is man made?
TXMomof3 on March 11, 2010 at 4:43 PM
The hockey stick data–proof that their “science” was all “pucked” up from the start…
lovingmyUSA on March 11, 2010 at 4:44 PM
5 minute major for that one.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Who claims that as “proof”, TX?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 4:45 PM
AGW cultists who, on one hand claim, that we are experiencing a catastrophic rise in earth temperature due to global human activity and then when we see evidence of the exact opposite, they claim it’s just natural weather cycles.
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 4:46 PM
You are passionate, to be sure. Yet…you do not persuade.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 4:47 PM
Michael Mann for one.
The rest of the alarmists in a more general statement.
MarkTheGreat on March 11, 2010 at 4:49 PM
The only hockey stick graph I believe anymore is a graph of our national debt v. time.
WashJeff on March 11, 2010 at 4:50 PM
truly “full of sound and fury”
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 4:51 PM
The IPCC for one, since they included Mann’s hockey stick in their report, despite that fact that it had already been shown to be the work of shoddy statistics with no basis in fact.
MarkTheGreat on March 11, 2010 at 4:51 PM
Please share that evidence with a reference.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM
What exactly were people doing thousands of years ago to cause environmental changes of that scale? If they didn’t cause it then, how are we causing it now?
TXMomof3 on March 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM
Climate Scientists at work.
– Our data is not as good as their data.
– But they don’t have any data. They threw it away.
– Oh. Well I guess our data is okay then. I think.
– Except for the data that’s not.
– You think we’ll still get that grant?
– I hope so. I need a new furnace.
Rod on March 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Where?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Like a bad teenage Rock band playing out of a garage.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM
PBHO obviously hasn’t explained this in language Americans can understand.
Bishop on March 11, 2010 at 4:54 PM
PJM wrote:
Yet another example of journalistic malpractice on the part of the liberal/progressive factions of the MSM. Their intent has been to “manage the news” in a fashion which supported their philosophical and ideological leanings, rather than to simply report the news objectively.
All of that, of course, is based on two assumptions: One, that the American public is too stupid to be able to discern truth from spin; Two, that the MSM still has the power to shape public opinion.
Which is why so many news organs are collapsing and imploding these past two years or so. With the advent of Alternative Media, the MSM has gradually lost control of the national discourse, rendering themselves obsolete at an ever increasing rate. The MSM may still have enough influence to affect the Mid-Term Elections coming up in November to some degree, but beyond that the Presidential Elections of 2012 will be out of their control. That is precisely why the Democrats are in such a state of panic over the SCOTUS decision regarding existing campaign finance reform legislation.
The Dems are anticipating upcoming unrestrained political ads by “corporations”, removing the edge they had via 503C/PAC’s and union involvement. Now, with the MSM cratering in powers of influence over the voting public, the Dems must be scared to death of how this will all play out in upcoming elections. Good. ‘Bout time!
KendraWilder on March 11, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Are there differences between “then” and “now”?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 4:55 PM
74% of people in England say it is either a) not happening, b) happening but not proven to be anthropogenic, or c) is happening but is not man-made.
DaveS on March 11, 2010 at 4:55 PM
Oakland:
You can’t keep changing the parameters to suit your intended purpose. The issue isn’t warming of itself, but rather that Man causes it. You state, over and over, Man causes warming, then change your own PERSONAL rules and ideas elsewhere, to still somehow claim you’re right.
How about standing yo your own point, as you profess: Man causes warming. That’s your premise, isn’t it?
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 4:56 PM
More Snow = Proof of AGW
Less Snow = Proof of AGW
Melting glaciers = Proof of AGW
Glaciers aren’t melting = more study needed
Rising Sea Levels = Proof of AGW
Sea levels not rising = AGW taking a break
Proof of AGW = Uh…we threw the raw data away, but I got this nifty graph!
No Proof of AGW = Deniers!
BobMbx on March 11, 2010 at 4:56 PM
Allow me;
“Prove man doesn’t cause warming”
BobMbx on March 11, 2010 at 4:57 PM
DO NOT worry. The global warming high priests shall come out with a few really, REALLY whacked out predictions that the earth will melt…or some such.
As their religion crumbles expect more and wilder claims of the horrors of being human.
jukin on March 11, 2010 at 4:57 PM
No prob:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 4:57 PM
No differences. ‘Warming’ tends to be of nature alone. Not of Man.
Your question just shot down your own argument.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 4:58 PM
Good grief … oakland must have had a traumatic childhood.
darwin on March 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Liam,
Am I not just asking questions? What’s your contention with what I am doing?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Wiseass Patriot…LOL
You first!
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Is that the best you can do? We do have a responsibility to be good stewards of the Earth. We are not advocating for mass pollution out there. But, I kind of place my standard of living above beetles and polar bears. I want clean air and water, but I am not going to live in a hut and ride a bike to achieve it.
TXMomof3 on March 11, 2010 at 5:00 PM
I’m not making an argument, just asking questions.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:00 PM
Guys and gals … oakland wants to believe.
Nothing we say, no evidence or lack of evidence … will change oakland’s mind.
darwin on March 11, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Waiting for AGW to get thrown under the democratic bus. It’s coming… It’s coming…
shick on March 11, 2010 at 5:02 PM
the 1998 “hockey stick” presented in IPCC 2001, and subsequent tweakings.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM
The issue is the politicization of science. There is nothing inherent in the scientific method which closes off debate and declares a subject settled and off limits. Data is made public and available to other scientists for re-testing. For some reason the global warming fear mongers don’t like this particular aspect of the scientific method.
Sheerq on March 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM
Rod on March 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM
By what I see of you, you seem hell-bent on believing AGW is Man-made, seeming to refuse all genuine debate on the matter.
As I see of YOUR posts, you refuse to see what’s come out on the matter, in full. That is why–your own posts–cause me to question your bona fides.
I’m a Sciences geek all my life; my fave ‘toy’ as a kid was my microscope. I can make my own slides, to this day.
You, however, bought into a lie that’s come about by questionable science. Your posts, written by YOU, speak to that.
And you know it.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM
*yawn* seriously… *yawn*
You’re like my two year old. “Why?” “Why?” “What?”
You’re not interested in a debate. You’re interested in derailing the thread. Just go away. Don’t you have anything better to do?
Here, let’s reverse your little game. Go here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Start with the recent UHI articles (studies that once again show the UHI is real and significant). Once you’ve figured out how those are wrong, come back and report back on it. Thanks.
strictnein on March 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM
AUINSC,
This is your “proof”?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM
Tony737 on March 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM
Never happen. AGW is the crowbar that Obama
willwanted to use to take over “Big Oil, Big Gas, Big Wind, Big Sun, Big Coal, Big ad nauseum” using Cap-N-Trade, Kyoto, Son of Kyoto, etc.He says he’ “not giving up”. I say he’s too stupid to stop.
BobMbx on March 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM
The ‘ignorant masses’ meme, never was a very good meme.
percysunshine on March 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM
First, you didn’t ask for “proof”, you asked for evidence…I can see where those concepts might confuse you though.
Second, you pulled one sentence from an entire article where Jones basically admits he’s got nothing to back up AGW.
Whatever.
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 5:08 PM
Oh goodie. I have to make some popcorn to watch this unfold.
Del Dolemonte on March 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM
Oakland…Not to be prick, but…
Instead of questioning we who doubt the AGW theory, how about instead question that theory instead?
Makes for better science, don’t you think?
Just an idea.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM
true, but I prefer shakespeare…
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM
Oakland…Not to be pain, but…
Instead of questioning we who doubt the AGW theory, how about instead question that theory instead?
Makes for better science, don’t you think?
Just an idea.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM
/stock leftie response: *fingers in ears* “LALALALALALA – I’m not listening to you, you… anti-intellectual, you!”
Midas on March 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM
Set the flamingo free!
pookysgirl on March 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM
So, this is where they indicate that there is no natural change in climate?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM
Don’t hold your breath…
Midas on March 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM
If the sun doesn’t kick it up a notch soon, we’re going to wish we had some global warming.
Seriously: Solar Cycle 24
And we’re due for an Ice Age…
ZenDraken on March 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM
It is where an individual deliberately removed natural climate variation from the historical record.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Quit being obtuse…the entire point of AGW is that humans are causing catastrophic climate change…there is no reliable evidence that it is true. What are you questioning?
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Chaos + 2 = Chaos.
percysunshine on March 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM
I’ll stay happily ignorant of liberal “truths” and keep driving my truck. I am not going to put my kids in a tin can and go play roulette on the highway to satisfy some tree huggers. Sorry.
TXMomof3 on March 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM
Hey! Ever here of unicorns? Methane + CO2 =
Global WarmingClimate ChangeSheesh!
BobMbx on March 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM
Oakland–at risk of pushing, I submit for your consideration that science is NOT an absolute.
What was it–Apollo 14 with Alan Shepard in command, testing Galileo’s theory of gravitation on the moon?
We had to make that test; THAT is science.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM
You are right, I did ask for evidence. However, that quote doesn’t seem to support what you are saying; even if it is one sentence, it is not inconsistent with the rest of the article, is it?
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM
exactly…science is never settled.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM
lol, pathetic troll. I mean, really – not sure my score cards have numbers low enough to grade this feeble attempt.
Midas on March 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM
Think of the virgin powder skiing!
BobMbx on March 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM
Yes, I too think he is going down with the ship. But he’s not taking them all with him.
shick on March 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM
No apologies necessary – I agree with you. I was being a bit sarcastic, sorry. ;)
Midas on March 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM
No, you just re-posted the part where he said in effect “nu’uh”.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM
Makes perfect sense to me, Liam. The scientific method is always about questioning theories.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM
My predicted response from Oakland:
If you ever needed the hair on a fly split, call Oakland.
strictnein on March 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM
or making fresh tracks with snow machine….
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM
I wish I had an oakland … “The world will implode unless you mow my lawn for the rest of your life!”
oakland: OK
darwin on March 11, 2010 at 5:18 PM
I suppose this depends on what you mean by “catastrophic”.
I am questioning the premise that some have made that scientists generally believe that there is “proof” of AGW.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM
Thanks. I realize that. I was apologizing to that goober, Oakland.
TXMomof3 on March 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM
Pro-AGW ‘scientists’ have spent the last couple of decades suggesting otherwise. I’m glad you agree that what has constituted support for AGW theory is actually far from anything resembling the scientific method as they never questioned their theories – only people that disagreed with them.
Midas on March 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM
I just prefer RAID.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM
As I was taught, as I imagine you, too, no theory we postulate is absolute until we’ve tested and confirmed the theory all over the Universe.
Then, as we learned more of String Theory, we have to test all over the other eleven Universes–which are only postulated at this point..
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:20 PM
I agree completely, Liam.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:20 PM
Enough of the hypocrisy I’m still waiting for your green CV. The solar panels and wind generator that produces your electricity, the sustainable garden that produces your food and the water reclamation systems that clean up your waste. After all as you said we need to do it for the children. If you aren’t leading by example you are just another hypocrite.
chemman on March 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM
and of course that is ultimate acknowledgment that they admit it does exist so of course we’re still wrong…..
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:22 PM
I would disagree. Professional scientists are surely very diligent to apply scientific methodology. The questioning of hypotheses(and attempts at disproving them) are always part of the scientific process.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:23 PM
I’ll leave the string theory to you, lol and stick with basic newtonian physics and thermodynamics.
But the flip side is that when you run into data contradicting your theory you just pretend you didn’t see it.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM
Man, scientists have a lot of work to do…
ZenDraken on March 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM
The point of that article is that he acknowleges that he has no valid data to back up his claims…he may still believe in AGW all he wants, but he’s got nothing scientific to support it.
Anecdotal evidence has been swung around for years as ‘proof’ of AGW…remember when all the AGW believers were telling us that the hurricane season of 2004 (Katrina) was ’caused’ by global warming and some AGW scientist started predicting more severe hurricane seasons from here on out based on that?
I admit I should have made my original point more clear…TXMom wasn’t commenting on natural seasonal fluctuations…she was making a valid point about long term fluctuations that contradict a central thesis of AGW hysteria….that current temperature trends are unprecedented in human history and that is strong evidence that it is, thus, caused by human CO2 emissions. That central pillar of AGW evidence is gone.
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 5:25 PM
and yet, phil jones, keith briffa, michael mann, rajenda pachauri didn’t do that.
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:25 PM
agreed
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM
Cool!
I would wait on the data, and I mean HARD data, which is sorely lacking. What’s out there is sorely lacking, not what I spent a career–a lifetime, even–on learning and believing by experience.
Call me an empiricist if you will. But if I meet a diviner who uses a forked stick, I want to see the water.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM
frack…”DON’T pretend” sheesh
Fighton03 on March 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM
Depends on the scientists…the CRU considered the science settled and debate over…and actively tried to suppress anybody who challenged them.
Is this the first you’ve heard of any of this?
AUINSC on March 11, 2010 at 5:27 PM
True, and probably plenty more. I may be wrong, but I don’t think that Pachauri is a scientist.
oakland on March 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM
If I encounter data contradicting my theory, I have to rethink my theory.
This is what I’ve been taught, by many minds better than mine own. And that goes back to Grade School.
Liam on March 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM
Sorry, but we are getting near-weekly proof that ‘professional scientists’ have, in support of AGW theory, precisely *not* done that. They have *not* questioned their theory, they have openly and admittedly used ‘non-science’ to support their theory, thrown aside evidence that their theory was wrong (ie: *not* questioned their own theory), etc.
By your own definition (a couple of times now), pro-AGW ‘scientists’ have patently not applied the scientific method in their work. Quite the opposite.
Midas on March 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM
Funny, you mention the USA Today. Well, today USA Today has a dense of Prof. Mann running today. I wonder which reporter was involved in 2007? Hmmmmm.
d1carter on March 11, 2010 at 5:30 PM
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