PPP delivers bad news to Crist on independent bid

posted at 1:25 pm on March 10, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, Public Policy Polling reported that Marco Rubio holds a commanding 32-point lead in the Republican primary over Governor Charlie Crist, and today, the news doesn’t get any better.  With the Republican nomination for the open Senate seat all but decided, some have suggested that Crist might run as an independent — although Crist himself has continued to deny any plans to do so.  The latest polling explains why (h/t Randy Scudder on Twitter):

An independent Charlie Crist bid for the US Senate would work to Marco Rubio’s advantage, because Crist would win more Democratic votes than Republican ones. In a hypothetical three way contest Rubio leads with 34% to 27% for Crist and 25% for Kendrick Meek.

Crist gets 32% of the Democratic vote but only 18% of Republicans running as an independent. He also leads among independents with 35% to 24% for Rubio and 22% for Crist.

Crist’s overall approval rating now is a 35/51 spread. He’s most popular with Democrats at a 45% approval rating followed by independents at 29% and Republicans at 28%.

It’s not all bad news, though, and some of the PPP poll supports the argument that Republicans run a risk with Rubio.  In head-to-head polling against the Democratic challenger Kendrick Meek, Crist is significantly ahead, 46/33.  Rubio only has a 44/39 advantage, though, and that’s with a higher level of undecided Democratic voters.  Crist’s popularity with independents is also a potential trouble spot.  However, Crist takes more from Democrats than Republicans in a three-way race, which would ensure Rubio’s election.

PPP surveyed registered voters, however, and not likely voters.  The turnout model matters, especially among independents.  Which unaffiliated voters will be more likely to vote in November — those who wholeheartedly support the Obama agenda, or those angered by it?  While Crist may have an advantage with registered independents, those supporting him will be less motivated than those supporting Rubio.  Similarly, the Democrats turning out for Crist may be less motivated than those turning out for Meek, and much less motivated than Republicans anxious to deliver a referendum on Barack Obama.

Meanwhile, Rubio has his first campaign ad out today, a one-minute spot that shows that he has begun to look past Crist to the general election (via Mary Katharine Ham):

Notice that he doesn’t mention Crist at all in this spot. He’s already running against the Obama agenda. It’s an excellent start to the general-election campaign.

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Dead man walking!!!!!

thmcbb on March 10, 2010 at 1:27 PM

An independent Charlie Crist bid for the US Senate would work to Marco Rubio’s advantage, because Crist would win more Democratic votes than Republican ones. In a hypothetical three way contest Rubio leads with 34% to 27% for Crist and 25% for Kendrick Meek.

Tell me again how Crist is the one and only real conservative in this race?

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Notice that he doesn’t mention Crist at all in this spot. He’s already running against the Obama agenda. It’s an excellent start to the general-election campaign.

As he should. At this point, Crist is looking desperate and petty for the cheap shots. Rubio can ignore Crist now and focus on the general.

Go Rubio!!

portlandon on March 10, 2010 at 1:29 PM

This isn’t necessarily bad news for Crist if he wants to run as an independent… in fact, it gives him justification…

At the beginning of this when the Rubio vs Crist mixup I said we would more likely get the seat with Crist running… I’m gonna be a pissed if Rubio chokes…

ninjapirate on March 10, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Ed: It’s not all bad news, though, and…

Define ‘bad’.

percysunshine on March 10, 2010 at 1:32 PM

“As the son of exiles….”

He just won south Florida.

amerpundit on March 10, 2010 at 1:33 PM

“Americans need Republicans who will stand up to Barack Obama, not join him.”

Durn-you Marco Rubio, I already sent you money. Now I have to dig into my wallet again.

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 1:33 PM

At the beginning of this when the Rubio vs Crist mixup I said we would more likely get the seat with Crist running… I’m gonna be a pissed if Rubio chokes…

ninjapirate on March 10, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Not gonna happen. Rubio will win in a walk.

Doughboy on March 10, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Dead man Oompa Loompa walking!!!!!

thmcbb on March 10, 2010 at 1:27 PM

fify.

rbj on March 10, 2010 at 1:34 PM

He doesn’t have to mention crist,the guy is in Rubio’s rear-view mirror,all but gone.He let crist hang himself.

ohiobabe on March 10, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Anyone else getting Michael Bennet ads at the top right of the page? Weird GoogleAds placement, if you ask me.

Abby Adams on March 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Repeat after me, Charlie-san: WAX ON/WAX OFF!

pilamaye on March 10, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Abby Adams on March 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM

“Michael Bennet… my support from day one.” –Barack Obama

Or since it’s quoting Obama, maybe it’s actually an ad for Andrew Romanoff (or one of the Republicans)

Abby Adams on March 10, 2010 at 1:39 PM

If Crist really wants it bad he should run as an independent… but he should be the first to pull out if it looks like he would be a spoiler…

ninjapirate on March 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM

PPP’s poll shows Rubio ahead of Meek by only 5%, but Rasmussen’s poll shows Rubio ahead of Meek by over 10%.

Besides, Meek is an unapologetic ally of B.O., and that is a trait that will NOT serve him well here in FL.

crushliberalism on March 10, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Anyone else getting Michael Bennet ads at the top right of the page? Weird GoogleAds placement, if you ask me.

Abby Adams on March 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Seems like a waste of money to me. I can’t imagine many at HA would be tempted to donate.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Note to Crist: Buy more self-tanner.
You’re done.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Well, maybe there is still hope. Did PPP poll a four way race with Crist as a Green Party Candidate?

Exit question: How many candidates, representing how many parties would need to be in the running in order for Crist to actually win?

Dan Pet on March 10, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Maybe Crist could take some campaign advice from his fellow Orange Person Silvio Berlusconi.

fiatboomer on March 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Anyone else on here think Rush is the best he has been for awhile today? He has made a great point about o at some point not being able to help himself and telling us exactly how he feels,off teleprompter of course.He is definitely getting more angry in every speech,you can see it bubbling up inside.I’m waiting for him to find out who the reporter was obama told not to ask the people attending his meeting today any questions.That is so telling for we all know he cannot take criticism.

ohiobabe on March 10, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Maybe Crist could take some campaign advice from his fellow Orange Person Silvio Berlusconi.

fiatboomer on March 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM

I would LOVE to whack Crist across the jaw with a statue of Mickey Mouse. ;)

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 1:51 PM

back to making Wonka bars and floating in the chocolate river.

/

ted c on March 10, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Crist is one of the true victims of the economy, in my opinion.

His record is good in FL. He’s not a bad guy at all.

And he is, indeed, getting waxed.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM

It’s hard to have any intellectual debate regarding the merits of Crist vs. Rubio when the Rubes have nothing but skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Remember, Floridians:

Republican Primary
August 24
VOTE RUBIO

Lockstein13 on March 10, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Note to Crist: Buy more self-tanner.
You’re done.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Maybe it’s a medical condition; we shouldn’t poke fun at his tint. ;)

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Crist is one of the true victims of the economy, in my opinion.

His record is good in FL. He’s not a bad guy at all.

And he is, indeed, getting waxed.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Crist is a victim of his own stupidity. He ran as a republican, yet he does not evoke the values of the republican party.
Crist wants amnesty, cap and trade….shall I go on?

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM

It’s hard to have any intellectual debate regarding the merits of Crist vs. Rubio when the Rubes have nothing but skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Hahahah… Obama isn’t the only one getting mad and close to losing it.

Crist is DONE!!! Thank the Lord.

MobileVideoEngineer on March 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM

All I saw Ed was your comment on getting waxed.
Crist getting waxed is a mental scarring vision. :S

Badger40 on March 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Crist is a victim of his own stupidity. He ran as a republican, yet he does not evoke the values of the republican party.
Crist wants amnesty, cap and trade….shall I go on?

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM

+10
AnninCA-RINO are liberals. Period.
There is nothing good about them.

Badger40 on March 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Rubio when the Rubes have nothing but skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

When your opponent is intellectually unarmed, it’s unfair to him to do anything more.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

It’s hard to have any intellectual debate regarding the merits of Crist vs. Rubio when the Rubes have nothing but skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

By all means, let’s talk about back-waxing.

chunderroad on March 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Man, the cristophiles on this site are getting bitter.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

I wouldn’t mind Marco Rubio being president right now, much less senator.

Knott Buyinit on March 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM

It’s hard to have any intellectual debate regarding the merits of Crist vs. Rubio when the Rubes have nothing but skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Oh poor baby.

Knucklehead on March 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM

I’m hoping that Rubio is the first ripple in a conservative tsunami that drowns the Democrats and RINO’s as well. We must abandon the road to serfdom and rediscover the path to liberty. But don’t forget that, ultimately, Congress is a sewer and the stink permeates them all. Eventually we will need term limits to blunt the corruption endemic in the system.

Extrafishy on March 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Man, the cristophiles on this site are getting bitter.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Hehe, it does look that way!

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM

I wouldn’t mind Marco Rubio being president right now, much less senator.

Knott Buyinit on March 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM

I don’t know enough about him yet to make comments like that, lol.

If only by comparison to the loser in the WH right now, however… hmmm, you have a point.

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM

But the AP has Crist only twenty points behind Rubio…

Doorgunner on March 10, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Man, the cristophiles on this site are getting bitter.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Something about loosing that just does’nt bring out the best in people.

heshtesh on March 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM

I think where I am a bit more circumspect than some here? Once an “outsider” is in the system, they tend to have to actually vote on issues and participate in the system.

Within a few hard votes, they can be called “RINO.”

Our government is based upon a concept of compromise.

Until it doesn’t require so much money to win?

We’re stuck.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM

I should finish up my thoughts. It will take huge amounts of money, as Massa pointed out last night, until we’re unable to support that financially.

And that means we’re pretty darn broke.

That’s the upside of giving up being rich as a country. We’ll finally get real representation without the influence of money so much.

The bad news is we’ll all be very broke.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Gov. Crist, however, does have some fine looking sons… although, I think one must go to school in Alaska or something…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YrNZlu0NE1Q/R9G4K3TPV-I/AAAAAAAAEVo/5WoxfzBfons/s320/Prompa3-786182.jpg

Doorgunner on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Our government is based upon a concept of compromise.

Until it doesn’t require so much money to win?

We’re stuck.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Ann, compromise in DC means the republicans having to bend over for the democrats and leaving their values and ideals behind.
It’s not much better in the state level.
People like yourself don’t seem to have values or ideals, you just sway with the wind.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Doorgunner on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Nice. The one in the middle I believe is a Gambino and for the life of me I don’t know why he has never been “whacked”.

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I can’t imagine the donors are running to contribute to his campaign.

barnone on March 10, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Wax on, whacks off.

1921 C DRUM on March 10, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Nice. The one in the middle I believe is a Gambino and for the life of me I don’t know why he has never been “whacked”.

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Those are John Gotti’s grandsons

Willie on March 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM

skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

I do have to question the sanity & judgement of a man that thinks the mutation of your skin skills into a hideous orange color looks good.

Badger40 on March 10, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Ann, compromise in DC means the republicans having to bend over for the democrats and leaving their values and ideals behind.
It’s not much better in the state level.
People like yourself don’t seem to have values or ideals, you just sway with the wind.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Yes, I know you believe this about moderates.

I remain open.

I’ve just learned too often if real life how deciding that I was ‘right’ turned out to be rather stupid.

It taught me the lesson of keeping open to solutions.

I don’t begrudge those of you who have decided you know best.

I just don’t agree or even relate.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM

I do have to question the sanity & judgement of a man that thinks the mutation of your skin skills into a hideous orange color looks good.

Badger40 on March 10, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Racist anti-tannite…

;)

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Too bad for the Republicans in Florida.

If they don’t vote for Crist …

they will be called “closet homo” – phobes.

BWA HA HA HA HA!

Sarah Rocks 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obambi … get out!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheAlamos on March 10, 2010 at 2:53 PM

That’s the upside of giving up being rich as a country. We’ll finally get real representation without the influence of money so much.

The bad news is we’ll all be very broke.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Do a little research on comparative wealth among nations, then get back to us with the “we’re broke!” spiel.

Way too much debt, but still a very wealthy country and probably will be so for the foreseeable future.

cs89 on March 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM

I just don’t agree or even relate.
AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Ann, if I agreed or related to anything you said, I’d make sure to get my head checked.
In fact, I’d go to the doctor and have him do a scan to make sure my brain didn’t fall out.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Oh, and Crist could save his dignity at this point only by stopping his campaign. He’s a joke at this point.

cs89 on March 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Tell me again how Crist is the one and only real conservative in this race?

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Who made that claim? Certainly wasn’t me. However, just because the “true” conservatives are having a collective Rubgasm does not mean he is a real conservative, it just means yall are impressionable.

Squid Shark on March 10, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Squid Shark on March 10, 2010 at 3:35 PM

I’m guessing grief has caused your short term memory to short out.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM

It’s hard to have any intellectual debate regarding the merits of Crist vs. Rubio when the Rubes have nothing but skin-color jokes about orange and oompa-loompas. Sheesh.

JetBoy on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Did you adopt my naming scheme for the Rubots? If you did, I am happy I was able to come up with a nickname that stuck :)

Squid Shark on March 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM

I’m guessing grief has caused your short term memory to short out.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Got a quote for me?

Squid Shark on March 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Can we all say “freefall”?

molonlabe28 on March 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Maybe Crist can cut a deal with the Republicans:

If (when?) he loses the primary, he’ll agree to run as an independent in the general in order to guarantee a Rubio win.

In return, he gets a nice, cushy government appointment somewhere warm and tan friendly.

JadeNYU on March 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM