Pelosi: We could totally pass ObamaCare today

posted at 4:25 pm on March 10, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via Breitbart, a pitiful morale booster from Madam Speaker and not the first time she’s claimed to have the votes when she really didn’t. (See this AP story from last July, bearing in mind that the House bill didn’t pass until November. No wonder Rahm’s pressing her to hurry up.) Unless Stupak’s a brazen liar, he still has 12 Democrats ready to flip to no without an abortion fix; Joe Donnelly identified himself as one of them today. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin and Jim Marshall say they’re sticking with their no votes from November and, according to Red State, fully 23 Dems who voted yes last time are now undecided. In fact, some of the only movement from no to undecided is coming from Jim Matheson — the guy whose brother was just nominated by The One to be a federal appellate judge. The hard cold fact for lefties is that Pelosi doesn’t know how many votes she has and won’t know until she can give Stupak and the Blue Dogs some comfort that Reid will, really and truly, try to pass his reconciliation fix if they go first.

But does Reid have the votes? Maybe not, says Jon Kyl:

Kyl suggested that the GOP would have enough votes to sustain points of order they might raise against a bill sought under budget reconciliation rules to make changes to the original health bill to win over the votes of House Democrats.

“There are a lot of things they want to see fixed that are going to be subject to parliamentary point of order in the Senate,” Kyl said during an interview on Fox News. “And we believe we have the votes to sustain those points of order, which means that those things will come out of the legislation.”…

“It is a very risky proposition for those Democrats in the House who are nervous about their reelection, and are banking on the Senate banking them out,” he said. “It’s probably not going to happen.”

Translation: If you’re a House Democrat thinking of voting for Reid’s bill because it’ll be “fixed” to your liking later, think again. But here’s where things get complicated (er, more complicated). In order to pass an abortion fix and get Stupak on board, Reid has two options. He could try to pass a separate bill with the abortion language and then have Pelosi “merge” it with the original Senate bill and the reconciliation fix in the House to form one bill. That’s the “Slaughter strategy” we talked about last night. The problem there? He’d need 60 votes to pass it, which is unlikely even if the GOP votes for it. His other option, noted elsewhere by Karl and Jay Cost, is to try to add an abortion provision to the reconciliation fix, but that could be blocked by either Republicans or pro-choice Dems by raising a “point of order” as mentioned by Kyl. Once a point of order is raised calling for the abortion provision to be stripped out, it would take … 60 votes to overrule it, which, again, likely ain’t happening. This is why Stupak was so adamant yesterday about linking all the fixes together to the main Senate bill with a sort of legislative “tie-bar” and passing every at the same time. If they can’t come up with a way to do that for him, there’s close to zero chance that the Senate will vote for an abortion fix later no matter how Reid tries to do it. Which is another way of saying that if they can’t tie-bar it, he and his bloc can’t vote for ObamaCare.

Exit question: Since the left is all but pleading with Joe Biden to summarily overrule every obstacle in the path to getting this thing done, couldn’t he just strike any points of order raised that might block an abortion fix? Who cares if he has to break some rules or ignore the Senate parliamentarian to do it? If they’re willing to follow a strategy as shady and ruthless as Slaughter’s in the House, surely Greasy Joe can game things for them in the upper chamber.


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Chip on March 10, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Yes, Chip:
You have to talk to them sternly like you would your own kids, so they get the message.

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 5:40 PM

DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT THE REASON THEY WANT THIS HEALTHCARE LEGISLATION PASSED IS BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM TOTAL CONTROL?
IT’S NOT ONLY ABOUT HEALTHCARE!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT THE REASON THEY WANT THIS HEALTHCARE LEGISLATION PASSED IS BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM TOTAL CONTROL?
IT’S NOT ONLY ABOUT HEALTHCARE!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Throw in italics to that post and you’ve got a deal. ;)

Chuck Schick on March 10, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Let me guess, you consider it RACIST? Yep, nutboy who sees racism around every bend.

jbh45 on March 10, 2010 at 5:25 PM

I consider it stupid, naive and ineffective. How am I supposed to know what motivates people to support something stupid, naive ineffective? Kind of ironic. You’re accusing me of believing something I never said, while whining about being accused.

Narutoboy on March 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

And under a lot of people’s view, particularly people here, she would’ve been able to walk right into that plane, without any extra checking, just because she was white.

Nice (and OT) strawman. profiling doesn’t mean you ignore everything else, it means you concentrate on the likely suspect. Yeesh.

WitchDoctor on March 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Who cares if he has to break some rules or ignore the Senate parliamentarian to do it? If they’re willing to follow a strategy as shady and ruthless as Slaughter’s in the House, surely Greasy Joe can game things for them in the upper chamber.

The only thing standing in the way of that are some Democrats of conscience and principle. In other words, we’re screwed.

jnelchef on March 10, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Nice (and OT) strawman. profiling doesn’t mean you ignore everything else, it means you concentrate on the likely suspect. Yeesh.

WitchDoctor on March 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

How is it a straw man when commenters on this very site have remarked that there have been no instances of women like Jane committing these type of acts? That, to me, says they don’t view them as a threat and aren’t interested in watching for them too. There is no point to profiling based on a color/nationality. It’s all about BEHAVIOR.

And, everybody is a likely suspect. Yeesh.

Narutoboy on March 10, 2010 at 5:53 PM

DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT THE REASON THEY WANT THIS HEALTHCARE LEGISLATION PASSED IS BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM TOTAL CONTROL?
IT’S NOT ONLY ABOUT HEALTHCARE!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

They don’t seem to be listening – maybe it’s time for the Adults to smack em upside the head. (Figuratively of course)

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 5:54 PM

He looks like an insane clown…and that’s pretty much what she is.

AUINSC on March 10, 2010 at 4:35 PM

What an insult to insane clowns.

dont taze me bro on March 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Then do it, you old bat. Stop talking and man up.

I hate people who are all talk and no action. Probably why I won’t get married.

mjk on March 10, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

I curse the day the oldsters got on the internet.

You know how many e-mails a day I now have to delete without reading?

“You gotta see this! Obama is really a muslim”! and other assorted sh*t.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Exit question: Since the left is all but pleading with Joe Biden to summarily overrule every obstacle in the path to getting this thing done, couldn’t he just strike any points of order raised that might block an abortion fix?

He could, but given mandatory abortion funding/coverage is the primary goal of both the Senate leadership and Obama (yes, even more than the public “option”), he won’t.

I believe I said it before – the ONLY item on which Plugs won’t overrule Byrd Amendment objections is the abortion issue.

steveegg on March 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM

SHe looks like an insane clown…and that’s pretty much what she is.
AUINSC on March 10, 2010 at 4:35 PM
What an insult to insane clowns.
dont taze me bro on March 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Be careful, all the insane clowns and cat fanciers are going to boycott the site.

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Cheshire Battle Axe.

CynicalOptimist on March 10, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 5:54 PM

“Figuratively” my ass!
See this!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:04 PM

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Well; I’m honored to tell ya that I was there once.
But, how many of our Founding Fathers were not FATHERS?
Like I said on another thread; “Adversity creates character.”
If you are forced to acquire more character than you can handle, you can end up psychotic. Or you may end up like George Washington.
Don’t just take my word for it: Check it out yourself.

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:15 PM

I forgot to add that “it takes TIME though.”

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Why is it whenever I see Pelosi it reminds me of Cain from Poltergeist?

Gatsu on March 10, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Creepy! Really Creepy! Yikes, that . . . that smile??

Nancy is close to meltdown, bonkers, crackers, loony-tunes, what have you.

Dorian Grey Pelosi as I live and breath. But without the portrait to take on her moral corruption for her.

Nancy is a witch.

She wears red.

Do all witches wear red?

Sherman1864 on March 10, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Chuck Schick on March 10, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Well; Um; I can’t find the dam things!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Strong emphasis link quote strike

Next to strong.

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Obama thinks he’s an ENIGMA!
I know he’s no more than an ordinary enema.

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:24 PM

She was full of crap before when she claimed this pig was in trouble and wouldn’t pass and she’s full of crap now.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself.

Speakup on March 10, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Thanks for the help.
These bright young ladies helping me type, get all flustered and confused sometimes.
My Viagara bill is through the roof.
Maybe I do need some healthcare!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:28 PM

This internet thingy is like a sandbox you play in without the dirt!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 6:30 PM

I wonder how many previous naysayers are now wondering if it makes sense to take another look at that Birth Certificate situation?

Syd B. on March 10, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Why no post on “Jihad Jane.” I’m waiting for people to admit I was right and acknowledge that profiling is CRAP. I remember ever hearing asking when was the last time some white grandma from middle America ever tried to board and plane a blow it up. This, in their minds, supports their contention that we should only focus on brown Muslim-looking men. WRONG!!!!!!!11111 You don’t think the terrorists know that as well? That they aren’t going to exploit that and find people that don’t fit the stereotype? Wake up!

Narutoboy on March 10, 2010 at 5:03 PM

AP, when are you going to ban this guy? He always attempts to take over the discussion by moving off topic and onto his favorite topic: racism. Its tiring and rather boring.

jbh45 on March 10, 2010 at 7:26 PM

AP, when are you going to ban this guy? He always attempts to take over the discussion by moving off topic and onto his favorite topic: racism. Its tiring and rather boring.

jbh45 on March 10, 2010 at 7:26 PM

His Chakras low, confuses threads easily.

If she had the votes this thing would be done. That’s all I’m saying.

Gatsu on March 10, 2010 at 7:51 PM

She SOOOOOOOO dizzzzyyyyyyy…………….

n0doz on March 10, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Get it through your heads, it doesn’t matter what their color is or if they’re a grandma or if they’re from middle of America – terrorists can be anybody.

Narutoboy on March 10, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Anybody? Are you a terrorist?

Dominion on March 10, 2010 at 8:07 PM

She is a frightening person both to look at and listen to.

Just creepy.

A “Michael Jackson” sort of creepy.

Ewwwwwwwww.

RedNewEnglander on March 10, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Wow! That picture of Pelosi just creeps me out, her eyes reveal all kinds of crazy. She has Charles Manson eyes.

Hey…that would be a great exercise for some of the lyricists we have on the board. Put together some lyrics to the tune of She has Betty Davis Eyes; on use Charlie Manson Eyes.

Me? I have no talent in the musical arena.

mrpeabody on March 10, 2010 at 8:14 PM

I’m sure Pelosi could pass a lot of things. And I don’t mean through Congress…

Dopenstrange on March 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Yee Gods, she’s flirting with Charlie Rose?

{+_+}

herself on March 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Scum of the earth. Plain and simple. Her days are numbered. come on november!!!!

nukeemnow on March 11, 2010 at 11:33 AM

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