Does Obama have to sign Senate bill into law before reconciliation can happen?

posted at 3:10 pm on March 10, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Call this the Blind Faith conundrum in the Democratic strategy to pass ObamaCare.  In order to get the House to sign off on the Senate version of the bill, they have to trust that the Senate will actually pass a parallel series of fixes through reconciliation.  Some House Democrats don’t trust the Senate to act or Obama to push the issue once he has a bill he can sign into law, which has led the House to plan a hostage strategy — passing the bill but holding it until the Senate completes the reconciliation process.  However, parliamentarians in both chambers of Congress have to decide whether the Senate can actually amend a law that hasn’t been signed yet through that budget process, and the signs don’t look good (via the Boss Emeritus):

The White House and Democratic Congressional leaders said Tuesday that they were bracing for a key procedural ruling that could complicate their effort to approve major health care legislation, by requiring President Obama to sign the bill into law before Congress could revise it through an expedited budget process.

An official determination on the matter could come within days from the House and Senate parliamentarians, and could present yet another hurdle for Mr. Obama and Democratic leaders as they try to lock in support from skittish lawmakers in the House. …

Democratic leaders had been contemplating an intricate legislative two-step, by which the House would approve the original Senate health care measure and both chambers would adopt a package of changes in a budget reconciliation bill. Both measures would then be sent to Mr. Obama for his signature.

Some officials said House leaders were holding out hope for a favorable ruling by the parliamentarians that would allow them to proceed as planned — or to circumvent the problem.

But Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota and chairman of the Budget Committee, said the reconciliation instructions in last year’s budget resolution seemed to require that Mr. Obama sign the Senate bill into law before it could be changed.

“It’s very hard to see how you draft, and hard to see how you score, a reconciliation bill to another bill that has not yet been passed and become law,” Mr. Conrad said. “I just advise you go read the reconciliation instructions and see if you think it has been met if it doesn’t become law.”

The entire strategy of reconciliation could collapse on this point — if House Democrats don’t trust Obama to pursue the parallel bill after House passage of the Senate bill.  The progressive caucus is only going along with this strategy on the promise to change the Cadillac tax provisions of the Senate bill to exempt unions, who strongly objected to the new tax.  Pelosi is also trying to woo moderates by promising another parallel bill on abortion, although it doesn’t appear that she’s making much headway with that promise.

That’s not the only group that will have a problem with this.  The White House can’t afford two fights over ObamaCare this year.  An adverse ruling by parliamentarians would mean that Obama has to cross two finish lines this year.  How much motivation would Obama have in wading back into the ObamaCare fight a second time to rescue the unions from the Cadillac tax, and possibly to ban federal funding for abortion after the Senate removed such a ban in December?  My guess is that figure would approach zero, even with the unions leaning on him.

If nothing else, this shows just how unprecedented this effort by Democrats is.  If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

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How ironic that a truly ‘unprecedented’ amount of fancy political footwork is the only real thing keeping this bill from passing.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Torches, pitchforks.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

They are making this up as they go along. Mines in this field everywhere and they are bound to step on a few.

They should have scrapped these bills already but if they want to double down on stupid and try to ram it through, they can be my guest.

manofaiki on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Can’t anybody here play this game?

(Dems are apparently clueless leaders. Which is good in a way- if they were effective, they could enact even more troubling stuff much faster).

cs89 on March 10, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Torches, pitchforks.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

I’ll bring the donut holes and Jager shots.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM

If this many hoops have to be jumped through to get the bill passed then they’re doing it wrong. Popular measures don’t rely on such byzantine schemes.

Bishop on March 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I didn’t know this video game had some many levels….

ParisParamus on March 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM

If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

Executive Order? He does think he’s a king or something.

SouthernGent on March 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM

How ironic that a truly ‘unprecedented’ amount of fancy political footwork is the only real thing keeping this bill from passing.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

The only thing keeping this bill from passing, is no one wants their fingerprints on it. All the “fancy political footwork” is keeping it alive, else it would have died months ago.

Rebar on March 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM

SO MANY levels.

ParisParamus on March 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM

if they block, a move to replace them pointing out the GOP pulled a similar move years ago and this will be followed by the death of the bill. I was thinking about the calender for these guys, the Senate Democrats need to be home campaigning in October, not tied in Washington DC doing procedural votes while GOP challengers are going up and down the state pummeling them. Yes the GOP would have to be there to, but there blocking the bill would be Campaign GOLD running up to the midterm, in short will Reid have 50 always on hand even if they say yes to reconciliation?

rob verdi on March 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM

I didn’t know this video game had some many levels….

ParisParamus on March 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Easter Egg ;)

Odie1941 on March 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Karl’s post in the Green Room has a discussion of Louise Slaughter, Chair of the Rules Committee’s new bizarre plan to change the rules to try to get around this.

When they first vote on a reconciliation of the Senate bill, they would be deemed to have also voted on the original Senate bill, without actually having committee themselves to voting on the Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase, etc.

Wethal on March 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Pelosi is also trying to woo moderates by promising another parallel bill on abortion, although it doesn’t appear that she’s making much headway with that promise.

Anyone who believes the Democratic Senate and Democratic House would actually do this is incredibly naive. Or else has some really good drugs.

Stupak, do not fall for Empress Pelosi’s promise.

It’s a trap!

rbj on March 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Bishop on March 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM

My exact point, although you probably articulated it much more eloquently than I would have! :)

search4truth on March 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM

No problem for Barry, he’ll just pay off the parliamentarians with some of that extra stimulus cash. That’s what it was for, wasn’t it?

Knucklehead on March 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM

DUH DEMS! Wake up and smell the watermell…sorry I was watching Dan Rather!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on March 10, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Seriously. There is no strong Dem with a brass pair to come out and say that what they are doing is just plain wrong? Are they really as lacking in character as some of us fear?

WitchDoctor on March 10, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Even if they do get a favorable ruling, there is nothing to prevent Obama from signing the first bill and vetoing the second.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Torches, pitchsporks.

FTFY

LibTired on March 10, 2010 at 3:18 PM

I didn’t know this video game had some many levels….

ParisParamus on March 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM

You keep flushing, but it won’t go down.
Zombie turd.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 3:18 PM

What about using the tie-bar process Allah described last night?

Jimbo3 on March 10, 2010 at 3:18 PM

I agree they can’t amend a bill that’s in limbo. But what’s to stop them from making laws crafted around the lanugage of that bill but not actually making references to it?

Skywise on March 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM

***
Trusting in promises worked very well when Ronald Reagan signed the first ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY long ago. The unfulfilled promise was to SECURE THE BORDER and STOP ILLEGAL ALIEN EMPLOYMENT.
***
Yes–let’s trust Congress and our government again. Like the wise man said, “Fool me once–shame on you. Fool me twice–shame on me!”
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on March 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM

The only thing keeping this bill from passing, is no one wants their fingerprints on it. All the “fancy political footwork” is keeping it alive, else it would have died months ago.

Rebar on March 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM

True. Perhaps a better term would be “hot-potato-passing”.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM

These slimy d’s are trying everything in the book to get this passed. They don’t give a flying flit if it is legal or not, just pass this thing! Gads, I am so sick of them I could chew nails!
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letget on March 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Why can’t they just see this healthcare thing for the absolutely sordid mess that it really is and just trashcan this big steaming pile of crap once and for all?!!!!.

Because if this is what we are seeing out of this nitwits just to get the blithering thing passed, what in the name of green grass can we expect once it is passed?!!!!

pilamaye on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

How ironic that a truly ‘unprecedented’ amount of fancy political footwork is the only real thing keeping this bill from passing.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

As usual, you’ve got everything upside down and back to front.

fossten on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Rangel, in an interview after the Democratic caucus meeting, said the abortion issue “didn’t come up.”
“Nothing’s going to be changed,” Rangel said. “There’s no room to change it. Not now.”

Pelosi, a California Democrat, continued to send the message that abortion should not be such a prominent issue in the haggling over getting health care reform passed.

“We’re going to have a bill. It’s about health care,” she said.

AOSHQ (from Daily Caller)

Rangel makes it sound like they’re just going to make the House suck up the Senate language for good.

No doubt because the Senate rejected the Stupak language when it was offered as an amendment, and there probably isn’t anything in between.

Wethal on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Obama is so irrational there is no telling what he will do.

Michelle also links to this monstrosity of an idea from the Dems posted at John Boehner’s GOP leader blog:

Democrats Prepare “Slaughter Solution” to Ram Unpopular Health Care Takeover Through Congress Without a Vote

The Slaughter Solution is a plan by Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), the Democratic chair of the powerful House Rules Committee and a key ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), to get the health care legislation through the House without an actual vote on the Senate-passed health care bill. You see, Democratic leaders currently lack the votes needed to pass the Senate health care bill through the House. Under Slaughter’s scheme, Democratic leaders will overcome this problem by simply “deeming” the Senate bill passed in the House – without an actual vote by members of the House.

House Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter is prepping to help usher the healthcare overhaul through the House and potentially avoid a direct vote on the Senate overhaul bill, the chairwoman said Tuesday.

Slaughter is weighing preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill passed once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes to the Senate version.

This is insane.

INC on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

The “Slaughter Solution” on boss Michelle’s page is a hoot. Marie Antoinettes times two! Pelosi and Louise, driving that car off
the cliff

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

“Under my plan, the number of lies we tell will necessarily skyrocket.”

GnuBreed on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

As usual, you’ve got everything upside down and back to front.

fossten on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

That’s your opinon, wingnut.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 PM

If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

Declare the parliamentarians a quaint relic of the past, invented by a bunch of old white guys wearing wigs, and move to dispense with them for good.

Unless they are needed for when the GOP regains power, then the P’s can be resurrected as a critical link in the democratic chain of our nation.

Bishop on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 PM

I know this is funny.. but aren’t “good faith” clauses inherent to legal contracts and laws?

Aside from the silly narrative “we must pass the bill to see whats in it” – how the hell do you even vote for a provision that either isn’t there or not vote for a provision that is there… if it is to be changed later.

Tomorrow, I am showing up in DC to be sworn in as President – being an election that may happen, will have elected me.

Odd – I keep seeing these knee jerk, moronic “mortgage lender” ads where the white guy, black guy corner an older black woman into siging a document that they will either change or ignore at a later date – which was to serve as the “problem” with the mortgage disaster – and of course not he fact people couldnt afford a home or had no business receiving a loan.

Odie1941 on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 PM

BTW, I “deem” my taxes paid already in full. For 2010.

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) resides over the arm pit of NY.

Sorry Buffaloians and Rochester peeps, but its been in an economic death spiral since Norwood went wide right…

Odie1941 on March 10, 2010 at 3:24 PM

BTW, I “deem” my taxes paid already in full. For 2010.

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Hehe – me likey. I am deeming myslef winner of Powerball tonight, before I head to DC.

Odie1941 on March 10, 2010 at 3:25 PM

So the “hostage” strategy is they pass the bill, but Pelosi keeps it in her pocket instead of sending it to Obama. So… instead of asking House Democrats to trust Obama to tear up the bill if the Senate doesn’t pass reconciliation, we’re asking House Democrats to trust Nancy Pelosi to tear up the bill.

How is that a better proposition?

joe_doufu on March 10, 2010 at 3:26 PM

The Democrats don’t trust each other. That’s the first sign of intelligence I’ve seen from them.

zmdavid on March 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM

So the “hostage” strategy is they pass the bill, but Pelosi keeps it in her pocket instead of sending it to Obama. So… instead of asking House Democrats to trust Obama to tear up the bill if the Senate doesn’t pass reconciliation, we’re asking House Democrats to trust Nancy Pelosi to tear up the bill.

How is that a better proposition?

joe_doufu on March 10, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Obama would lean on her to send it over for signature if it looked like thinks were stalling in the Senate. She’d cave. At this point, she’d have the House pass the Senate version and be done with it, if she could.

Wethal on March 10, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Note to the House:

All of this talk about reconciliation is irrelevant. We hate Obamacare with or without the so called reconciliation “fixes.” If you vote to approve Obamacare, we will punish you. It doesn’t matter what the Senate does.

obladioblada on March 10, 2010 at 3:30 PM

I have learned more about how our gubmint works and doesn’t work in the last year than in the last 44 years put together…I’m sure I’m in good company…

Ltlgeneral64 on March 10, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Statists say, “Can’t I just have other people’s money to pay for my health care?”

WashJeff on March 10, 2010 at 3:31 PM

If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

Simply declare that they are wrong, overrule them, and do it anyway? Hell, these folks are talking about adding stuff to bills that have already been voted on, bribing each other with tax dollars, promising illegal use of TARP funds, etc – what reason is there to presume that they’ll pay attention to pesky things like protocol and rules?

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Torches, pitchforks.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I’ll bring the donut holes and Jager shots.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Where and when?

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:34 PM

If nothing else, this shows just how unprecedented this effort by Democrats is.

We passed that point long, long ago. This latest effort is pure insanity and nothing less than an all-out assault on the citizenry. Quite frankly, this is nothing less than a coup attempt, as this whole health scare push was totally un-Constitutional and The Precedent and his lunatic junta on the Hill have just ignored any laws that were inconvenient to them.

neurosculptor on March 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM

The Leftys are pushing it to the brink,
a point of no return!

Its gonna get Ugly,because Team Liberal could give a rats
*ss what any American thinks!!

canopfor on March 10, 2010 at 3:37 PM

If this abomination ever sees the desk of Obowma, and he signs it, the next thing you will hear from the White House is…

“Health Care? What Health Care?”

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2010 at 3:39 PM

That’s your opinon, wingnut.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Not the kind of come back I would expect from a truely superior intellect.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM

When the future of our nation and our freedom hinges on some arcane parlimentary rules debate, doesn’t that suggest the system is already broken?

Torches, pitchforks.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I’ll bring the donut holes and Jager shots.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Where and when?

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:34 PM

You can count on the Tequila Party! I’ll even bring the chips and salsa.

bitsy on March 10, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Just the fact that the Democrats have to go through all these machinations should be screaming to them to STOP! What is wrong with them? If they think Americans are angry now… just pass this thing and see what happens… and it will be repealed or never implemented when we take our gov’t back in November…

CCRWM on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

The Constitution defines a bill becoming law with the votes of both houses and the president’s signature.

It then becomes law and can be reconciled as per the Byrd Rule — Which as Byrd stated, excludes passing major legislation like health care. Sen Byrd turned down Clinton’s attempt to use reconciliation to pass HillaryCare.

tarpon on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Torches, pitchforks.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Too European….I’m thinking headresses and tomahawks…..or tri-corn hats and muskets.

But a couple of talk radio guys here in Kalifornia are already running “heads on a stick”.

Fighton03 on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Simply declare that they are wrong, overrule them, and do it anyway?

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Biden has the authority to do just that.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM

If we’re going to be a banana republic, can we at least get some of the perks, like afternoon siestas?

bofh on March 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Wait a minute, I thought all the trouble getting this nightmare signed in to law was because the republicans were the party of no….

SHARPTOOTH on March 10, 2010 at 3:45 PM

But a couple of talk radio guys here in Kalifornia are already running “heads on a stick”.

Fighton03 on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

I’m constantly amazed at what conservative TR hosts can say on the air and not get a sit-down session with law enforcement for…but then again, look what the lefties get away with!

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 3:46 PM

House Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter is prepping to help usher the healthcare overhaul through the House and potentially avoid a direct vote on the Senate overhaul bill, the chairwoman said Tuesday.

Slaughter is weighing preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill passed once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes to the Senate version.
This is insane.

INC on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Oh dear gawd, not Louise “She wore her dead sister’s teeth” Slaughter. We’re doomed.

Brat on March 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona tweeted this article earlier today. More trouble for Pelosi!

Follow “Gabby” @Rep_Giffords

Ordinary1 on March 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

What about using the tie-bar process Allah described last night?

Jimbo3 on March 10, 2010 at 3:18 PM

How exactly would that work?

Chuck Schick on March 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

ust the fact that the Democrats have to go through all these machinations should be screaming to them to STOP! What is wrong with them? If they think Americans are angry now… just pass this thing and see what happens… and it will be repealed or never implemented when we take our gov’t back in November…

CCRWM on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

I think the missed point here is that *they. don’t. care.* if we are angry, or if they lose in November.

If they pass this, the government and this country WILL be forever transformed – and in a way that is to their liking.

It may consign them to the wilderness for an election cycle or two, but in the end, the government and country will be more shackled *to them*.

We must stop thinking in terms of political self-interest – Obama/Reid/Pelosi sure as hell are thinking on a grander scale than just getting re-elected. The sooner we understand that, the better off we’ll be, and we’ll stop being surprised by their actions, but also start thinking clearer in terms of how to stop them.

This is a once-in-a-few-lifetimes opportunity for them, and they are *going* to seize it even if it kills them.

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

How does this Slaughter clusterfark not be challenged in SCOTUS?

bloviator on March 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

The Constitution defines a bill becoming law with the votes of both houses and the president’s signature.

tarpon on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Or even without his signature, but you are right that the Constitution is most clear on this (Art I, Sec 7):

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;

There is absolutely no way around this … except during a coup.

neurosculptor on March 10, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Constitutional Scholar: “Present”

fogw on March 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM

OT:

Just made the observation concerning all the headlines:

How the left lies to you about ACORN

The impostor

What I meant by that “watermelon” remark about Obama

He lies

Lies lies lies…yaaaa. Ok, I’m done.

Now on the topic, is it any wonder these guys have to lie, cheat and twist everything they possibly can to get this through? The party of Lies being lead by the Liar in Chief.

javamartini on March 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Here is what Giffords tweeted:

I supported House bill but provision in proposed Senate bill would burden already overstretched states like AZ http://bit.ly/4qzKuz

Ordinary1 on March 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM

If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

Then the dems cheat, increase both the threats and bribes and lie like mad pretending all is normal…an idea almost as scary as the health care scheme.

JIMV on March 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Simply declare that they are wrong, overrule them, and do it anyway?

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Biden has the authority to do just that.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Exactly (well, in the Senate anyway).

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM

This is all just delaying tactics to cover up the fact that they don’t have the votes.

pedestrian on March 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM

If passing the bill requires all these esoteric manuevers just think how messed up the implementation of the bill will be.

fourdeucer on March 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Biden has the authority to do just that.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Not according to Crazy Joe’s answer in the VP debate, where this other great Constitutional scholar on the ticket showed that he didn’t even know the Constitutional responsibilities and powers of the VP.

neurosculptor on March 10, 2010 at 3:51 PM

If passing the bill requires all these esoteric manuevers just think how messed up the implementation of the bill will be.
fourdeucer on March 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM

That’ll make this process look like a(excuse the expression) ‘Tea party’.

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 3:53 PM

ObamaCare would already be law but for the ineptitude of the White House and the Dem Senate and House leadership.

These idiots want to take over half the economy and they don’t even know how to pass a bill without stepping on there tongues.

Thank God.

SlaveDog on March 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

If Biden can overrule the Senate parliamentarian, who can overrule the House parliamentarian?

WarEagle01 on March 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

When are people going to call this for what it really is? It’s a Constitutional Crisis.

This reminds me of Putin’s power grab in Russia – where he just kept bending the rules and having his cronies in the Russian parliament vote him more powers until now he’s unstoppable.

The Democrats are now going to ram this thing through irrespective of democratic process.

When that happens – the Constitution has died … the rule of law has died. We’re no better than Venuzuela.

I’m less concerned about ObamaCare now – then I am the fascist twists the Democrats are willing to take to pass it. ObamaCare can be repealed …

But the parliamentary precidence they are setting right now can’t be undone.

HondaV65 on March 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

If nothing else, this shows just how unprecedented this effort by Democrats is.

No, no, no, it’s just like filibustering, Republicans do it all the time, don’t you remember, Bush snuck fifty tax cut bills through this way.

/lefties

Missy on March 10, 2010 at 3:55 PM

HondaV65 on March 10, 2010 at 3:54 PM

It’s really strikingly like Zelaya’s attempt in Honduras, I think. Constitutional Crisis is a nice way of putting it.

neurosculptor on March 10, 2010 at 3:57 PM

What about the requirement that reconciliation can only be used to reduce the deficit? How is eliminating the Cadillac tax going to reduce the deficit?

I know, I know… It’s just the law. There’s no reason they should let the law stop them at this point.

Haiku Guy on March 10, 2010 at 3:57 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9EBVMNG0&show_article=1

OT I respectfully request a thread on the Sludge slug.

Dem conressmans wife peddling influence on sludge removal!

I say theres’ gonna be a ton of sludge removed in Nov. and hoppefully a RINO (John Mccain) or two!

dhunter on March 10, 2010 at 3:57 PM

BTW, I “deem” my taxes paid already in full. For 2010.

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Sweet!

bernzright777 on March 10, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Kyl: We Have The Votes To Stop Fixes Sought By The House
Minority Whip Jon Kyl is putting Democrats in the House on notice, what you vote for in the House is what you’re going to get, so choke on it! Don’t wait for the Senate to fix it. The GOP intends to use points of order and Amendments to beat back promises the WH is making in return for more votes in the House.

If fixes aren’t germaine to the budget, Kyl claims to have the votes to prevent them from incorporation in the final bill. Then there’s always the amendment process to be employed.

“On the face of it, no serious nation would revamp a major portion of its economy inside the house of cards being pushed by the WH. It’s ridiculous. And it’s Democrats who are going to have their fingerprints all over it, as well as find themselves all alone and owning it in November.”

Kyl said that the Senate’s ability to prevent some of the changes House Democrats have demanded should make those lawmakers think twice before voting to approve the Senate’s healthcare bill.

“It is a very risky proposition for those Democrats in the House who are nervous about their reelection, and are banking on the Senate banking them out,” he said. “It’s probably not going to happen.”

“So things that these House members think are important to put in the bill, to fix what was wrong with the Senate bill — like a lot of those backroom deals, for example — not all of those things can be fixed,” the Arizona Republican added.

Kyl also said that the GOP would attempt to amend the reconciliation agreement, which should also make Democrats hesitate before counting on the Senate to make the kind of fixes for which House leaders have pushed.

“Who knows how many amendments might be adopted in the Senate,” Kyl argued. “So it is not exactly going to be the way House leadership have portrayed it to members.”

Dan Riehl. Of course, the Dems are trying to get rulings in advance from the parliamentarian to know what can get by.

Wethal on March 10, 2010 at 4:02 PM

How long can a government stand against the will of the people. We are in the midst of a Constitutional crisis. This will dismantle our government and tear our country a part. Yes, hope and change is now gloom and despair.

d1carter on March 10, 2010 at 4:04 PM

I really would hate to see the headlines,
The Senate Democrats Lied to Us!! Say House Democrats

/s

barnone on March 10, 2010 at 4:06 PM

If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

I don’t think it matters to the Dems, they will come up with something new to try……they are not going to give up.

tommer74 on March 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM

I didn’t know this video game had some many levels….

ParisParamus on March 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Laugh out loud funny!!! As my son would say, can you get some cheat codes from online?

txmomof6 on March 10, 2010 at 4:18 PM

They need a beer and tickle summit to work this all out.

TheBigOldDog on March 10, 2010 at 4:19 PM

My image of Barrack pacing around the Oval Office is like the last turd circling the bowl before going down the drain.
But the drain is stopped up!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 4:19 PM

If nothing else, this shows just how unprecedented this effort by Democrats is. If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

Whatever it is, I hope it involves a Democratic Party meltdown that’s significant enough that Ed or Allah will use the mushroom cloud picture.

BuckeyeSam on March 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Too many lies have a way becoming restricting. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

smellthecoffee on March 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM

They need a beer and tickle summit to work this all out.

TheBigOldDog on March 10, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Obama needs to give noogies to Pelosi and Reid and then make off-color remarks about fracking them.

BuckeyeSam on March 10, 2010 at 4:23 PM

It’s beginning to look like a hostile takeover.

Did I just say beginning? Ha.

hillbillyjim on March 10, 2010 at 4:23 PM

If the parliamentarians issue opinions that block it, what next?

PIVOT! Barry can tell his Leftist comrades that he tried and tried but eevil Republicans, Big Insurance, Big Pharma and all the “corporate special interests” conspired against the greater good and social justice, bitterly clinging to their selfish ways.

He can sound really angry and urge them to get more Democrats elected in 2010 and send him more money. Then he will be free to pivot to redistributing more wealth via “jobs creation”.

We can stop that too but at least the biggest nightmare ever will have been exorcised (and the economy can breathe a sigh of relief which would actually benefit him.)

Buy Danish on March 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM

The entire strategy of reconciliation could collapse on this point — if House Democrats don’t trust Obama to pursue the parallel bill after House passage of the Senate bill. The progressive caucus is only going along with this strategy on the promise to change the Cadillac tax provisions of the Senate bill to exempt unions, who strongly objected to the new tax. Pelosi is also trying to woo moderates by promising another parallel bill on abortion, although it doesn’t appear that she’s making much headway with that promise. -Ed.

Trust in me! Oh, trust in me!!! Cue up the image of the snake in Jungle Book and his kaleidescope eyes.

Oink on March 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Too many lies have a way becoming restricting. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

smellthecoffee on March 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM

That assumes that the liars feel bound by some sense of consistency. We have a gnag who are not bound by the shackles of consistency, in any way, shape, or form. And a lame stream media that is enthusiatically complicit.

We are Honduras, now, just before they ejected Zelaya. This health scare is the equivalent of Zelaya’s illegal attempt to change their Constitution by referendum, and his pushing of it over and over and over.

neurosculptor on March 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

ARE YOU READY FOR ENFORCED HEALTHCARE AND THE HIGHER TAXES TO GO WITH IT?

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Too European….I’m thinking headresses and tomahawks…..or tri-corn hats and muskets.
Fighton03 on March 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Forget the muskets.

If it comes to that my choice will be AR-15 and 1911.

pseudonominus on March 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM

It’s disgusting we even have to talk about this. It’s not hyperbole to state that the Democrat party has a deep seated disdain for democracy.

gwelf on March 10, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Democrats never let laws get in their way before. Say, does the governor of Massachusetts appoint replacements for vacancies in the Senate?

munseym on March 10, 2010 at 4:28 PM

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