AP poll has Obama at 53%, but …

posted at 2:00 pm on March 10, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The latest AP poll seems like it has great news for Barack Obama.  After all, it puts his approval rating at 53%, even while scorn for Congress increases.  But how exactly did the AP poll come up with an approval rating ten points above today’s Rasmussen result?  The answer lies in both the survey type and the sample:

The latest Associated Press-GfK poll found that fewer people approve of Congress than at any point in Obama’s presidency. Support has dropped significantly since January to a dismal 22 percent as the health care debate has roiled Capitol Hill. Neither Republicans nor Democrats are safe; half of all people say they want to fire their congressman.

Conversely, Obama’s job-performance standing is holding fairly steady at 53 percent. And over the past two months, the Democrat has gained ground on national security issues, specifically the subsiding Iraq war and the escalating Afghanistan war, as he has spent most of his time — at least publicly — on domestic matters like the economy and health care. On those issues, he still has the support of about half the people.

“I agree with what Obama is trying to do, but nobody is listening to him,” said Grace Pope of Waterville, Maine. But this 75-year-old Democrat added, “I don’t think that the Congress is doing anything.”

Such sentiments and the survey’s results make clear that Obama remains far more popular than House and Senate members as he leads a Democratic Party facing a volatile election-year environment that, so far, seems to be trending in Republicans’ favor. Judging by his standing at this point, Obama seems to be an asset for his rank and file.

An asset for his rank and file?  Hardly.  The AP only reaches that conclusion by surveying adults rather than registered or likely voters, which are polls more suited to predicting outcomes for elections.  The AP knows this, but apparently couldn’t be bothered to adjust its polling technique to more accurately predict electoral behavior — or wanted to put its finger on the scale without too many people discovering its game.

The partisan gap in this sample is another big reason.  While poll after poll shows that gap nearly disappearing, the AP sample has a whopping 11-point advantage for Democrats, 45/34, including independent leaners (page 31).  Without the leaners, it’s 33/23.  Bear in mind that Obama got elected in November 2008 with a seven-point advantage in the popular vote — and that was with significant Republican crossover voting.   The AP’s partisan split at that time was 48/34, 40/24 without leaners.

Rasmussen’s last survey on party affiliation put the gap at 3 points.  Deduct 8 points from Obama’s approval rating, and you get somewhere close to Rasmussen’s approval rating for today.  If the AP actually believes the analysis above based on their polling, I pity them their wake-up call in November.

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Fake but Accurate.

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM

53% of adults with an 11-point advantage for Dems is actually pretty bad. And as for Obama being an asset, tell that to Marcia Croakley, Creigh Deeds, and John Corzine.

Doughboy on March 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM

53% if you count felons and illegals. Oh, wait…

SouthernGent on March 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Rasmussen polled the West Wing staff today, and everyone agrees that everyone except for themselves has a 100% disapproval rating.

percysunshine on March 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM

I pity them their wake-up call in November.

Why? Will it be Sam Kinison on the phone?

WashJeff on March 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM

The answer lies in both the survey type and the sample:

Hey, if I pick out all the yellow M&Ms from the bag, and I see that I’m holding nothing but yellow M&Ms in my hand, then I can conclude that the whole bag was made up of only yellow ones, right?

Two can play at that game.

UltimateBob on March 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM

These days, I question anything, and I mean anything, that comes out form the AP.

Especially their polling data

pilamaye on March 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM

I pity them their wake-up call in November.

I don’t.

Sarjex on March 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Hey, if I pick out all the yellow M&Ms from the bag, and I see that I’m holding nothing but yellow M&Ms in my hand, then I can conclude that the whole bag was made up of only yellow ones, right?

Two can play at that game.

UltimateBob on March 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM

There’s a job for you at the IPCC ;)

Electrongod on March 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Alright.

Years ago I worked part-time for Gallup. I actually thought it would be fun. The quick polls after speeches and stuff really were fun…but for all the wrong reasons.

People would readily admit that they had no idea what I was talking about but would also, for some strange reason, give me their opinions on it.

An interesting study on human behavior.

Dorvillian on March 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM

When your entire electoral strategy is based on the serial deception of the public, deceiving yourself is the next logical step.

Bruno Strozek on March 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Cute little AP….releasing those surveys that need to be filed in the “fiction” section of the bookstore….

search4truth on March 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Well, Rasmussen really is a more conservative poll. AP leans lefter, if that’s a legitimate phrase.

I’d think that this snapshot reflects several issues. People are buoyed up by some good economic news, although good is still bad. And they are not unhappy with how Afghanastan is going.

HC….still a complete mess.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Be honest. You won’t acually pity them in November.

GardenGnome on March 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM

I pity them their wake-up call in November.

But it is only the Congress. With the low approval rating AP story tells us, they deserve their well-justified result.

/Rahm: ‘This is not a reflection of the president.’ while kicking chairs in West Wing.

Sir Napsalot on March 10, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Oh look, a poll! Ed, why do you tie yourself in knots over samples being more electorally accurate when this isnt an electoral poll, but a question of job approval? Not that it matters…you could change samples and change the question to make it look like the people believe whatever you wish. You’re reading tea leaves ED

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM

cristophiles aren’t the only ones getting desperate.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM

State-approved poll. In other news, Dear Leader shot a 27 while golfing today with 12 holes in one.

JammieWearingFool on March 10, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Deduct 8 points from Obama’s approval rating, and you get somewhere close to Rasmussen’s approval rating for today.

Ed, you’re so damned smart. You’re now measuring, by proxy, the magnitude of liberal polling bias.

+8% for you.

ted c on March 10, 2010 at 2:12 PM

The AP only reaches that conclusion by surveying SEIU union goons at Obowma’s political rallies that the public are kept out of.

Fixed it for ya’…

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM

53% if you count blacks 4 times.

wildcat84 on March 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Say, in the AP story about POLL RESULTS, aren’t the real people purportedly quoted in the AP artice (found here: http://www.fox2now.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-poll-obama-and-congress,0,6694346.story), namely, Democrat Grace Pope of Waterville, Maine, and Democrat Benny Newman of Tulsa, Okla., and Republican John Campbell of Del Rio, Texas, the same people the politicians quote for their anectodal stories and feelings that represent all of us?

Ira on March 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Not that it matters…you could change samples and change the question to make it look like the people believe whatever you wish. You’re reading tea leaves ED

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Uh, that’s what the Associated Press just did.

fiatboomer on March 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM

cristophiles aren’t the only ones getting desperate.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM

They and hardcore Obamabots are really sweating bullets, as this and other polls make plain, but why must we give their frightfully obvious butt-covering any credence?

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Drudge slaps the (AP) quite nicely today on his page. End-game for the end of the end-game end?

Marcus on March 10, 2010 at 2:15 PM

It’s Socialist Truth.

Akzed on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM

So it doesn’t really matter to you if some organizations are attempting to skew the numbers on Barry’s support?

The background of the poll doesn’t matter as long as the numbers show the correct “Result?”

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

AP?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM

A.P.=All Poof

sdd on March 10, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I tend to agree with Rove on predictions about the upcoming elections.

And I still don’t see a real contender emerging from the Right in a presidential election.

It sure ain’t Romney. He lost, again, to Huckabee and is running neck and neck with Palin.

Rove was generous about Pawlenty, but that’s a joke. Pawlenty is losing ground fast as governor, nevermind a national run.

Seriously, there is nobody at this point.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:21 PM

These polls are so relaxing, because they don’t really make a whit of difference in the momentum.

I’m always a lot more comfortable when the actual policies and actions are influencing momentum, not the pollsters.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Not ever poll is worth a blog post.

lorien1973 on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

So it doesn’t really matter to you if some organizations are attempting to skew the numbers on Barry’s support?

The background of the poll doesn’t matter as long as the numbers show the correct “Result?”

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 2:16 PM

All polls skew, all polls garner untrue responses, most people aren’t consistent or politically sophisticated in any way…thus, all polls, regardless of outcome, are of suspect utility. In this case, the issue Ed takes up with the poll is not even much of an issue, as the question wasn’t “who are you voting for” but “do you approve of”. Anyway, none of that matters, as you could ask the same group of people the same question with a slightly different wording and get a different result.

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Select one:

[ ] I like the job Obama is doing
[ ] I am a racist

Daggett on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Uh, that’s what the Associated Press just did.

fiatboomer on March 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM

No, ALL polls ‘just did’. They all do. There is no one correct sample, nor is there one correct way to phrase a question. They all implicitly act on the responses garnered.

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Seriously, there is nobody at this point.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:21 PM

There better be somebody, soon, or we’re hosed.

And that somebody had better be qualified for the post.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM

The results had nothing to do with the two Black Panthers standing behind the pollster, brandishing billy clubs.

cjtony97 on March 10, 2010 at 2:24 PM

This tells you something about the liberal mind. They not only lie to others, they lie to themselves.

faraway on March 10, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Where was this poll taken, Sylvia’s Restaurant?

1921 C DRUM on March 10, 2010 at 2:25 PM

This is called the Dear Leader Method of polling.

Bishop on March 10, 2010 at 2:28 PM

I pity them their wake-up call in November.

Headlines will read “Unexpected unprecedented losses for Democrats in mid-term elections.”

highhopes on March 10, 2010 at 2:28 PM

I hope Duh One rolls with polls like this and throws Congress under the bus even more.

Polls like this are perfect, actually.

An ego maniac like him will look at it and say, “Hey I can make myself more popular by making Congress even less popular!” without thinking of the long term effects of losing even more seats in 2010.

reaganaut on March 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Freedom will trump prescription.

Socialism chokes intelligence, degrades humanity, and leaves ruin in its wake.

maverick muse on March 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM

There is no one correct sample, nor is there one correct way to phrase a question. They all implicitly act on the responses garnered.

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM

And yet there are those that make an honest attempt at getting to a good statistical sample, and others that seem to try hard to avoid such a sample. You can’t suggest that the two are ‘the same’ basically.

Midas on March 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM

They not only lie to others, they lie to themselves.

faraway on March 10, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I say let them keep doing it. They will be the ones cranking out those “what went wrong with the Dem’s election strategy” articles by the dozens in late November.

Johnnyreb on March 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM

“I agree with what Obama is trying to do, but nobody is listening to him,” said Grace Pope of Waterville, Maine. But this 75-year-old Democrat added, “I don’t think that the Congress is doing anything.”

Ah, fits nicely into the “I need to talk to the dumb people more” narrative from Bambi and the WH.

Odie1941 on March 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Just remember which poll has been spot on….and it isn’t AP.

HornetSting on March 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Like Joe Wilson said:

YOU LIE!

SDarchitect on March 10, 2010 at 2:32 PM

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

It’s an issue if it skews the results.

Most polls should be examined with a jaundiced eye no matter what their results.
That said, Part of the issue here will be that the NSM will trumpet the news of this poll and ignore others.

The question becomes, is the AP doing this deliberately in order to prop up Obowmao?

Chip on March 10, 2010 at 2:33 PM

This is how these people roll. They create parallel worlds for themselves. It makes life easier. Out here in LA the entire liberal west side of the city woke up stunned to discover Schwarzenegger had handily beaten Gray Davis in the run-off. The LA Times “poll” had been telling them the opposite for weeks. Hilarious.

rrpjr on March 10, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Oh, Michelle! Are you still proud of your country?

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM

There better be somebody, soon, or we’re hosed.

And that somebody had better be qualified for the post.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM

I’m not that cynical. I think the process really is fine.

We’ve come through several eras where the president was the key factor.

Perhaps we simply stop that.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM

I polled people about who their favorite baseball team and the Milwaukee Brewers came out on top based on my poll of 800 baseball fans, 500 of whom live in Wisconsin.

Very unexpected results.

angryed on March 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM

ENFORCED HEALTHCARE: Coming to your community soon!

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM

As the sun rises in the east, so does Ernesto show up to provide the msnbc spin. Well done sir.

angryed on March 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM

AP is killing its own credibility. I guess they think it’s worth it for some reason. When the results and sample are off by 10 points, people are going to start to notice.

forest on March 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM

The shyster lawyer wouldn’t blink an eyelash if, say, AP poll in 2007 showed Bush approval rating at 53%, with survey type and sampling then, would it?

Sir Napsalot on March 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM

I think the process really is fine.

You’ve got to be joking.

The process is resulting in us voters having to choose between a bunch of crooks, liars, sellouts, and imbeciles. We’re getting the best candidates money can buy, and just look how well that turned out in 2008!

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM

angryed on March 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM

And I polled a bunch of drunken sailors in San Diego to see if they’d like to spend money like Congressmen, and they replied hell yes, (hic!) without reserve.

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 2:41 PM

People would readily admit that they had no idea what I was talking about but would also, for some strange reason, give me their opinions on it.
An interesting study on human behavior.

Dorvillian on March 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM

bears repeating

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM

We’re getting the best candidates money can buy, and just look how well that turned out in 2008!

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM

There you go with your patented fantasy that money is all that matters when it comes to who wins elections again.

Can you say “uber-rich” again, my friends want to laugh at you again.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I remember the days when the Iraqi press treated Saddam Hussein with high approval ratings. I remember when the Iraqi press reported that Saddam Hussein was reelected with 98% of the population voting in his favor. The remaining 2% had appropriate funeral services provided after the elections.

I don’t want imply that the Associated Press is like the Iraqi press of old, but they have been trending.

Americannodash on March 10, 2010 at 2:55 PM

AP polling shows 53% of employees of Obama’s administration believe he’s on the right track.

BobMbx on March 10, 2010 at 2:56 PM

There you go with your patented fantasy that money is all that matters when it comes to who wins elections again.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM

It’s what money can buy: influence and ‘face time’ being the most important things. Obama bought his way into the White House with just these things, plus plenty of help from his cronies.

Can you say “uber-rich” again, my friends want to laugh at you again.

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I can say “uber-idiot”, but I’m betting you wouldn’t like that inconvenient truth.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM

They just randomly selected a few hundred folks from the fine, truly representative communities of Berkeley, New York City, and Boston.

stldave on March 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Select one:
[ ] I like the job Obama is doing
[ ] I am a racist
Daggett on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

post of the day!

MechEng5by5 on March 10, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Obama has a 100% approval rating among those who approve of him.

Very scientific.

Lockstein13 on March 10, 2010 at 3:05 PM

The AP knows this, but apparently couldn’t be bothered to adjust its polling technique to more accurately predict electoral behavior — or wanted to put its finger on the scale without too many people discovering its game.

Delusions are indignant.

If the AP actually believes the analysis above based on their polling, I pity them their wake-up call in November.

I don’t pity them. May the devil get them.

Schadenfreude on March 10, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Regardless, we elected the guy. How’s all that hopey-changey stuff working for you Obama voters?

unclesmrgol on March 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM

It’s what money can buy: influence and ‘face time’ being the most important things.

Dark-Star on March 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM

So Obama used his money to buy face time and influence witht he voters?

Do you have any clue how silly you sound?

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM

The AP’s credibility is like a rope of sand at high tide.

volsense on March 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Well, Rasmussen really is a more conservative poll. AP leans lefter, if that’s a legitimate phrase.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Read the article again.

al-AP sampled 11% more Democrats than Republicans. Rasmussen sampled 3% more.

And remember, we found a “poll” done last fall by al-AP that actually sampled twice as many Democrats as Republicans in order to achieve the result they desired.

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM

The AP polls are for all of those people that haven’t yet made the trip to Oz, and peeked behind loudmouth’s curtain.
Those are some great and powerful numbers indeed.

ontherocks on March 10, 2010 at 4:00 PM

All polls skew, all polls garner untrue responses, most people aren’t consistent or politically sophisticated in any way…thus, all polls, regardless of outcome, are of suspect utility. In this case, the issue Ed takes up with the poll is not even much of an issue, as the question wasn’t “who are you voting for” but “do you approve of”.

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

“All polls skew” is a cheap cop-out.

We’re talking about one poll that has a documented history of inflating its “polling sample” to favor Democrats. When Republicans were in the majority it never “skewed” its polls the other way.

As I note in another post in this thread, al-AP was busted last fall for a “poll” that sampled twice as many Democrats as Republicans. yet they have never ever done a “poll” sampling twice as many Republicans as Dems.

And there is another very important distinction between Rasmussen and the others. The others who do these polls are “news organizations”. Rasmussen is not.

al-AP can have their “polls” picked up by thousands and thousands of newspapers automatically, by dint of their being the sole news provider for many of those news outlets. Likewise, the NY Times, whose “polls” have regularly been busted for oversampling 14% to as much as 19% more Democrats than Republicans, is also the Newspaper of Record for the US. Rasmussen is not.

al-AP and the others used their “polls” to drive down the public’s perception of what Bush and the Republicans in power were doing, solely to drive the news agenda and get Democrats elected. 2006 and 2008 proves they succeeded beyong their wildest dreams. Because they were able to convince a majority of the “unsophisticated” (your word, not mine) voters that the Democrats were the only way to go.

Dr. Goebbels would be proud of them.

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Oh please, the AP is a hard core left wing propaganda machine. Ask them to publish their sampling methods, their demographics and all of their sampling statistics. Polls such as this are designed to influence rather than inform. They’re playing to Obama’s liberal/leftist, parasitic base.

rplat on March 10, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM

And a lot of polls are determined before the polling begins for the purpose of reinforcing the desired opinions.
Poll results are entertainment, but, can’t be relied on for scientific results with the methods used by these organizations.

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Read the article again.

al-AP sampled 11% more Democrats than Republicans. Rasmussen sampled 3% more.

And remember, we found a “poll” done last fall by al-AP that actually sampled twice as many Democrats as Republicans in order to achieve the result they desired.

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM

I think people change their affiliations about as often as they change spouses these days.

It’s not a fixed figure, in short.

But somewhere between Rasmussen and liberal polling on general questions lies the truth.

I personally think that people “like” the guy, but they don’t particularly think he’s the answer to many questions or problems.

He’s sort of a black Jimmy Carter, but people aren’t thrilled with any of the GOP candidates either, so they aren’t ditching him quite yet.

He’s “better than nothing.”

And I’m convinced that Romney?

That is the “NOTHING” vote.

AnninCA on March 10, 2010 at 4:12 PM

53% if you count felons and illegals. Oh, wait…

SouthernGent on March 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM

If you add people on the government dola along with felons and illegals, you can get 53% easy.

If you only poll working tax payers, his numbers would be under 20%.

saiga on March 10, 2010 at 5:05 PM

All polls skew, all polls garner untrue responses, most people aren’t consistent or politically sophisticated in any way…thus, all polls, regardless of outcome, are of suspect utility. In this case, the issue Ed takes up with the poll is not even much of an issue, as the question wasn’t “who are you voting for” but “do you approve of”. Anyway, none of that matters, as you could ask the same group of people the same question with a slightly different wording and get a different result.

ernesto on March 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Polling is much more scientific than you think so yes the skewing does matter and the fact that today on PBS they played up this poll shows that it is important.

I noticed that you love to play up to the left. You are such a puzzy.

CWforFreedom on March 10, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Oh; Ann in Central Arkansas:
Read my 4:09 post.

Cybergeezer on March 10, 2010 at 5:54 PM

The only people who ‘like’ the ObaMao are the far left Dems and reporters(redundant, I know).

Seriously, how can anyone who has a brain and uses it think that The Liar in Chief is a likable guy.

HE’S TRYING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY! You really have to be psychotic to ‘like’ someone who is destroying your and your children’s future.

Sporty1946 on March 10, 2010 at 6:41 PM