Will Dems add student-loan takeover to ObamaCare?

posted at 3:35 pm on March 9, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

As if they didn’t have enough problems in jamming a government reordering of the American health-care system already, Democrats plan to add another nationalization program to the bill.  The Hill reported last night that Democrats want to “twin” the ObamaCare and student-loan bills to get them both passed and off the table:

Senate Democratic leaders have decided to pair an overhaul of federal student lending with healthcare reform, according to a Democratic official familiar with negotiations.

“It’s going in,” said the Democratic source, in reference to the student lending measure.

But leaders may have to reverse themselves if they receive strong pushback from Democratic colleagues who represent states where lenders employ hundreds of constituents.

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), said no final decision has been made.

“We’re still looking at the options,” Manley said.

The only way this makes sense is if the Democrats want an excuse for a failure to pass ObamaCare.  Some of the Democrats supporting the health-care bill already oppose the nationalization of the student-loan industry.  Adding them together won’t increase support for either program, but more likely will decrease support for a bill that’s already choking on its own massive size.

Why does Reid need to twin these bills?  He doesn’t have 60 votes to get to a floor vote.  Instead, he wants to use reconciliation, but pulling out that card again in this cycle will be a political loser.  Combining the bills means Democrats only have to take a political beating over its use once.

This doesn’t apply directly to the House’s efforts, where the student-loan nationalization bill has already passed, but it will have some impact nonetheless.  The White House and Nancy Pelosi are attempting to convince reluctant Democrats that parallel bills addressing concerns over abortion and taxation will get approved in the Senate, as long as the House acts first to pass the Senate’s version without amendment.  If the Senate starts burdening that effort with unrelated bills for other government takeovers, they will undermine their credibility on these pledges.

The Wall Street Journal reminds Senators just how bad this bill will be:

Secretary of Education Arne Duncan portrays the changes as eliminating subsidies to private companies, but no one should misinterpret these comments to mean that taxpayers will benefit. The plan that passed the House includes $67 billion in “savings,” according to a Friday estimate from the Congressional Budget Office. But the bill also has more than $77 billion in new spending.

The net loss to taxpayers isn’t limited to $10 billion. After inquiries from Senator Judd Gregg (R., N.H.) and Rep. John Kline (R., Minn.) last year, CBO explained that “savings” estimates are artificially high because of government accounting rules that undercount the risks of default when the government is originating the loans, while the new spending estimates are artificially low. This could be significant. Many colleges oppose the government plan specifically because the feds don’t make the same effort to prevent defaults that the private lenders do.

Taxpayers have even more reason than academics to fear the impact, in part because the public may not learn the details before this plan becomes law. Democrats aim to bring their education revolution to the floor without a committee vote or even a hearing in the Senate.

As did the CBO:

“Various changes that the President proposes to the Pell Grant program would add another $0.2 trillion to the deficit between 2011 and 2020,” CBO said Friday. That could turn out to be a very optimistic estimate if unemployment remains high and more people seize the educational opportunity to which they have just become entitled. Still another taxpayer trap will be sprung if the President’s proposal to forgive some debt incurred by “overburdened” borrowers is included in the bill.

The biggest political risk is in tying two government takeovers so closely together.  The student-loan nationalization bill has mostly flown under the radar this session.  Democrats will give it a much higher profile, and at the same time underscore the radically statist nature of their agenda.  Don’t expect this idea to last too long under the spotlight.


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Haven’t they already? Cindy?

upinak on March 9, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Why does Reid need to twin these bills? He doesn’t have 60 votes to get to a floor vote. Instead, he wants to use reconciliation, but pulling out that card again in this cycle will be a political loser. Combining the bills means Democrats only have to take a political beating over its use once.

I thought you could only use reconciliation once per year anyway? Am I wrong?

ninjapirate on March 9, 2010 at 3:39 PM

The universities aren’t worried about defaults. They are worried about the kickbacks from the private banks.

Come on.

AnninCA on March 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Will Obamacare dictate which fields of study that the loans are good for and have requirements on the student to perform activities dictated by the state for resolution of the loan? Just asking.

volsense on March 9, 2010 at 3:41 PM

government accounting rules that undercount the risks of default when the government is originating the loans, while the new spending estimates are artificially low.

In the private sector, this is what’s known as fraud.

This naked power grab by the Fascist-Democrats is sickening.

rbj on March 9, 2010 at 3:41 PM

OT: I cannot be the only one getting all code when I pull up Drudge? Anyone else?

JAM on March 9, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Hell, go for Cap & Trade and the Zero Chavez President For Life bill while you’re at it!

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM

OT: I cannot be the only one getting all code when I pull up Drudge? Anyone else?

JAM on March 9, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Nope.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Yes, please. I can’t think of anything other than an illegal alien amnesty provision which could help this bill along as well.

I don’t really need a tag on this, do I?

Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM

They’re taking over every element of our society and the brain numb Republicans stand idle, slobbering on themselves.

rplat on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM

…they will undermine their credibility…

Too late! What credibility?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Why not just throw Crap & Tax in there and make it a trifecta?

Knucklehead on March 9, 2010 at 3:44 PM

I offer my services, time, and dedication to serve as the first Chairman of the National Repeal Party.

BobMbx on March 9, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Is there any “problem” in this country, where the solution to democrats isn’t a government takeover and control?

lorien1973 on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM

psychotic

darwin on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM

He doesn’t have 60 votes to get to a floor vote.

Reid couldn’t get 60 votes for a potty break.

BobMbx on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM

My main concern with a single loan option originating from the government is that, well, it originates from the government. That gives the single-loan player (again, the government) the ability to decide what to fund and how much to fund. Think they’ll have a say over school curricula and specific schools that DON’T get funded?

At least this effort will make people hate congress all that much more.

jdfister on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Couldn’t they also throw in a cap and trade reconciliation bill, a card check bill, and another $3 trillion bailout bill to it? It sounds like they expect this to be the last bill democrats can pass in this century.

Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM

This is insane. They are remaking how our government works.

WisCon on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Yep, they want control over everything. I just can’t believe that people can make arguments to the contrary. These Dems are finally showing their true colors for all to see. You just have to be willing to open your eyes.

search4truth on March 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM

This is neither surprising nor unexpected if you realize that these people are SOCIALISTS.

It will not stop there, either.

They will continue to manufacture crisis after crisis to their own ends.

For instance, does anyone actually believe that Toyota’s vehicles are really as screwed up as the government and their jackals in the media would have you think they are?

Who would directly benefit from a severe blow to the reputation of a world class automobile manufacturer?

Perhaps a regulator that is also a manufacturer?

Follow the money.

turfmann on March 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM

The only way this makes sense is if the Democrats want an excuse for a failure to pass ObamaCare.

The sane ones have been looking for an excuse for weeks. The most clever ones are looking for the exit door.

Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Not only will the government decide who can see a doctor, they’ll get to decide who goes to college too.

zmdavid on March 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Will Obamacare dictate which fields of study that the loans are good for and have requirements on the student to perform activities dictated by the state for resolution of the loan? Just asking.

volsense on March 9, 2010 at 3:41 PM
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Yep….. the government already has that if you go into education.

and of course, there is the military requirement if you will go into the military.

i’m sure the government will control health care this way.

Here comes the USSA.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM

And if you go to work in “public service,” your loans are forgiven after ten years.

Increase the size of government, the dependency of the middle class on the government for jobs and healthcare, and you have the justification for higher taxes, but also a voting bloc that will have to stay on the plantatin and keep voting for you.

There are about 100 new agencies and commissions in Obamacare, too, so plenty of jobs to fill with consituents and regional federal agency offices to be located in strategic districts. “Vote for the GOP, and they’ll take your federal job.” Worked for Murtha.

Wethal on March 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM

They’re taking over every element of our society and the brain numb Republicans stand idle, slobbering on themselves.

rplat on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Nah…the sleeper has awakened. Trig, born to the Bene Gesserit known as Sarahcuda, grows to become “Muad`Dibe”

BobMbx on March 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM

The Democrats are doing their best to push this country into a second Civil War. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Seriously, who’s the crack dealer? Cut. Them. Off.

conservative pilgrim on March 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM

i’m sure the government will control health care this way.

Here comes the USSA.
ms on March 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM

The government already does that with Medicare/Medicaid/VA. Obooboo continues to tell everyone that they will get everything they need with the HC cr@p plan and yet M/M/VA patients are VERY limited as to what they can get. What makes anyone believe that they will get any different/better treatment? Who now runs M/M/VA?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM

And if you go to work in “public service,” your loans are forgiven after ten years
Wethal on March 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Good point and if the government forgives the loan to direct your employment the government grows even more. The private sector under Obama is becoming an endangered species.

fourdeucer on March 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM

These guys are out of control.

tommer74 on March 9, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Nah…the sleeper has awakened. Trig, born to the Bene Gesserit known as Sarahcuda, grows to become “Muad`Dibe”

BobMbx on March 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Gawd….now that’s funny!

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Who would directly benefit from a severe blow to the reputation of a world class automobile manufacturer?

Perhaps a regulator that is also a manufacturer?

Follow the money.

turfmann on March 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM
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Next…. we will have 1 car like the VW beetle….. of course it will be “eco-friendly”

Welcome to the USSA

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Why not just throw Crap & Tax in there and make it a trifecta?

Knucklehead on March 9, 2010 at 3:44 PM

God forbid, but they probably have. It’s just not been reported, or discovered yet.

capejasmine on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Bold.

juanito on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

What are the actual rules for impeachment? We need to start a mass impeachment call and git’er dun! This is getting way out of hand. This needs to be done before there is a 2nd revolution. Bloodshed will not work, voting these morons out will not, there will always be another moron to replace them. AAAGGGHHH!Sorry, very frustrated…

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Why not throw the gun control, immigration reform, cap and trade and abolishing the military in there too?

Bishop on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

*How* are they continuing to add crap like this (and the part-timer coverage stuff from earlier) to a bill that’s already been voted on?

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

I HATE this! If the federal government has no business usurping private-bank school loans. NONE.

A friend of mine said that the university her son is applying to already lists something about ‘using only Federal Direct Loans’; at MTSU in Tennessee. Her husband works at a small-town bank so I don’t know if they had to get a federal loan or not.

TN Mom on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Bold.

juanito on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Not quite the word I’d use to describe this atrocity.

capejasmine on March 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM

The government already does that with Medicare/Medicaid/VA. Obooboo continues to tell everyone that they will get everything they need with the HC cr@p plan and yet M/M/VA patients are VERY limited as to what they can get. What makes anyone believe that they will get any different/better treatment? Who now runs M/M/VA?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM
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Obamacare….. LEGAL EXTERMINATION

No need for social security….. the healthcare will make sure you are exterminated when your “whole life” plan has expired.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM

For instance, does anyone actually believe that Toyota’s vehicles are really as screwed up as the government and their jackals in the media would have you think they are?

Who would directly benefit from a severe blow to the reputation of a world class automobile manufacturer?

Perhaps a regulator that is also a manufacturer?

Follow the money.

turfmann on March 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM

500 people were killed in anti-Christian violence in Nigeria yesterday, yet instead of hearing about that on the news, I got to hear about an old man who couldn’t figure out to put a car in neutral or turn it off.

John Deaux on March 9, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Why not throw the gun control, immigration reform, cap and trade and abolishing the military in there too?

Bishop on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Hell, as long as they go that far, why not add that Obama is now King Obama, and every rep, or senator with a D behind their name, gets a life long appointment. And THEY choose their heirs. No more messing with those pesky elections. It will be a good thing, that cuts down on corruption.

UGH UGH UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

capejasmine on March 9, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Next…. we will have 1 car like the VW beetle…..

ms on March 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Ah yes, the “people’s car”, this sounds familiar. Where have I heard that before – I think it was in a different langauge…

A ‘car for the people’, a ‘wagon for folks’ as it were. ‘wagon folks’, ‘folks wagon’, something like that.

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every step you take
Obama wants to be controlling you

Every single day
Every word you say
Every night you stay
Obama wants to be controlling you

Oh, cant you see
He wants all to belong to the subservient sheeple collective Obama we
To control all your life how his heart does ache

Every pill you take
Every dollar you make
Every loan you stake
Obama wants to be controlling you

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Obamacare….. LEGAL EXTERMINATION

No need for social security….. the healthcare will make sure you are exterminated when your “whole life” plan has expired.
ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM

BINGO! Death panels are coming soon. Just think of all the “extra” money they’ll have not having to pay social security anymore! Hmmmmmmm

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

*How* are they continuing to add crap like this (and the part-timer coverage stuff from earlier) to a bill that’s already been voted on?

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

I second this question. At the very least, the bill it’s attached to has been amended and needs to be re-voted on.

SouthernGent on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Why don’t you just take over food production while you’re at it, you commies in the Beltway?

If these control-freak pests insist on making our lives “interesting,” then it’s high time the rest of us returned the favor, got creative, and made THEIR lives less pleasant. I don’t think these a**holes really want to know what we can do to them when we decide to wreak our vengeance upon them in non-violent creative ways and seriously mess with their heads until they can’t get out of bed without being paranoid that somebody’s messing with the sun just to fool them into thinking it’s the wrong time of the morning and might show up late if they can’t see through the ruse. Seriously, we CAN’T just sit back and take this and do nothing in response.

Aitch748 on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

It sounds like they expect this to be the last bill democrats can pass in this century.

Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM

With any luck, it will be.

MarkTheGreat on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

500 people were killed in anti-Christian violence in Nigeria yesterday, yet instead of hearing about that on the news, I got to hear about an old man who couldn’t figure out to put a car in neutral or turn it off.

John Deaux on March 9, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Christianity is sooo yesterday, and so overrated. It’s the IN thing to be a terrorist supporting, pandering, statist, communist, who wants complete oppression over people. That’s where it’s at man! *sigh*

capejasmine on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Not only social security but Medicare money not being handed out either. WOO HOO!

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:07 PM

If you choose to go to school, you are choosing to invest in a Sole Proprietorship, yourself. Why does anyone who chooses to take this path deserve the money of others to make this investment?

WashJeff on March 9, 2010 at 4:08 PM

He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in what he wants to be a vassal land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody

Doesn’t listen to an opposing point of view
Control Freak man, ruling all he thinks is his purview
Control Freak Man, he had better listen
He don’t know with what he’s messin’
Knows already just what he wants to do
Doesn’t he seem more and more like Hitler and Mussolini to you?

He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in what he wants to be a vassal held land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody

He’s as blinded by his lust for power as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
He’s got such a God delusion point of call
Control Freak Man, can you even see America at all?
Knows already just what he wants to do
Doesn’t he seem more and more like Hitler and Mussolini to you?

He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in what he wants to be a vassal land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody

About Control Freak Man we should all worry
To destroy all America built he is in a hurry
If he controls everything his fascist way
It will be a forlorn day
Hes going to leave it all a mess
Anyone of sound mind must confess

He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in what he wants to be a vassal land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 4:08 PM

It sounds like they expect this to be the last bill democrats can pass in this century.

Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM

With any luck, it will be.

MarkTheGreat on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Now THAT would be good for my kids and future grandkids!

WashJeff on March 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Consent of the governed? Not.

Mason on March 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM

I got to hear about an old man who couldn’t figure out to put a car in neutral or turn it off.

John Deaux on March 9, 2010 at 4:04 PM

I laughed out loud when i heard that on the radio today.

“I was standing on the brakes and it wouldn’t stop.” And a policeman had to get in front of him to use the squad car to help stop the Prius?

FFS.

Put. it. in. neutral.

Turn. the. car. off.

Grow. a. brain.

How long must the guy have been driving at 90+ endangering everyone befor a cop makes it to the scene, driving with him to establish the problem, discuss a combination of using brake and emergency brake, then finally get in front and use the squad car to stop him??

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM

We need to start a mass impeachment call and git’er dun!

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Democrats vote to impeach “the won”? It will never happen.

MarkTheGreat on March 9, 2010 at 4:10 PM

The only way this makes sense is if the Democrats want an excuse for a failure to pass ObamaCare.

 

Hey, they can have any excuse they want as long as DawnofLivingDeadcare is finally put out of OUR misery.

Chip on March 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM

OT: I cannot be the only one getting all code when I pull up Drudge? Anyone else?

JAM on March 9, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Nope. It’s just you.

Connie on March 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Why don’t you just take over food production while you’re at it, you commies in the Beltway?

Aitch748 on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

They already passed that, last year. They can shut down private gardens if they please. That’s when I knew Zero was serious about his rev0lution.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Hey, they can have excuse that want as long as DawnoftheLivingDeadcare is finally put out of OUR misery.

[Didn't get the title right – I don't in for horror flicks that much]

Chip on March 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Christianity is sooo yesterday, and so overrated. It’s the IN thing to be a terrorist supporting, pandering, statist, communist, who wants complete oppression over people. That’s where it’s at man! *sigh*

capejasmine on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM
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And the bestest of the bestest is if you are an……. Islam-loving hate America muslim. Oh, they are the BEST.

/s

ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM

They already passed that, last year. They can shut down private gardens if they please. That’s when I knew Zero was serious about his rev0lution.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM

What???? What is this about?? Please expound.

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Health Care “Reform” – Is there anything it can’t do?

I mean besides pay for itself.

NoDonkey on March 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Not only social security but Medicare money not being handed out either. WOO HOO!

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:07 PM

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We have a winner.. No need for the government to worry about having money for social security and medicare.

Obamacare is here. LEGAL EXTERMINATION is the answer.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Aitch748 on March 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Its called Cloward-Piven.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

DanMan on March 9, 2010 at 4:18 PM

If you choose to go to school, you are choosing to invest in a Sole Proprietorship, yourself. Why does anyone who chooses to take this path deserve the money of others to make this investment?

WashJeff on March 9, 2010 at 4:08 PM
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Nope, wrong answer.

YOU are the property of the USSA GOVERNMENT.

YOU are here to serve the USSA GOVERNMENT.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

They already took over some of my loans last year.

Geronimo on March 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

They already passed that, last year. They can shut down private gardens if they please. That’s when I knew Zero was serious about his rev0lution.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM

What???? What is this about?? Please expound.

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Argh. I knew someone would ask. I’m gonna have to plead Google. I read about this last year and cannot even remember where… The gist was it was a well-intentioned bill that dealt with food production standards, to protect the public of course, that mandated levels of documentation and oversight that if fully enforced could close down farmer’s markets and home gardens…

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Question, aren’t the government loans called Pell grants or am I confused? Don’t many of those applying for these grants know that they are government loans?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

They already passed that, last year. They can shut down private gardens if they please. That’s when I knew Zero was serious about his rev0lution.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM
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Yep…. I believe it was hidden in the stimulus bill.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Perhaps the GOP should start campaigning on rolling things back. I have very little confidence that they will change anything if they get back in power, but it’s game over if they don’t.

Asher on March 9, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

They can try to pry my rake/hoe/shovel/fertilizer, etc from my cold, dead hands before I give up on my fresh veges!

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Yep…. I believe it was hidden in the stimulus bill.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:23 PM

As were the Death Panels. That’s how Zero can claim it’s not in his bill, it’s already law.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Health Care “Reform” – Is there anything it can’t do?
I mean besides pay for itself.
NoDonkey on March 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM

It’s a Dessert AND a Floor wax!!

Chip on March 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Free mortgage payments to keep losers in the homes they shouldn’t have gotten into to begin with.

Free student loans for people who shouldn’t be going to college.

All this free stuff is going to add up.

BowHuntingTexas on March 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Yep…. I believe it was hidden in the stimulus bill.
ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Need more info please if you have it.

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM

They can try to pry my rake/hoe/shovel/fertilizer, etc from my cold, dead hands before I give up on my fresh veges!

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

I’m with you there. Defense of and providing for my family are my inviolable right and responsibility, and I have a tripwire set.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM

As were the Death Panels. That’s how Zero can claim it’s not in his bill, it’s already law.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

WHAT? Where were the death panels in the stimulus bill and when did it become law?????

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Need more info please if you have it.

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:26 PM

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h875ih.txt.pdf

Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I’m with you there. Defense of and providing for my family are my inviolable right and responsibility, and I have a tripwire set.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Obama: Oh, how quaint.

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Thanks D-S. This is for the large farms and factories. This is not for my own little personal garden. I was under the impression that they were regulating my garden that I grow food for my family. Phew….that’s a relief!

It’s amazing though, they have 117 pages to “protect” us from food poisoning, etc. and yet how many recalls have they had and continue to have for e-coli, poop on the spinach, etc.?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Question, aren’t the government loans called Pell grants or am I confused? Don’t many of those applying for these grants know that they are government loans?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM
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The government-backed loans dealing with you getting your degree in education… are not Pell grants.

These government-backed loans are a completely different loan.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:34 PM

It’s amazing though, they have 117 pages to “protect” us from food poisoning, etc. and yet how many recalls have they had and continue to have for e-coli, poop on the spinach, etc.?

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Incidents such as the latter are usually the result of an imported Turd-World fieldworker taking a dump in the picking fields to save time. I kid you not. This was such a problem they’re sticking up picture-based “don’t do this” signs. I kid you not.

As to food safety in general…let me say this: I just took sanitation certification courses and listened to the horror stories of people with decades of experience in the industry. If what I’m hearing is ANY clue, professional food processing companies have the same attitude toward sanitation as a petulant child does towards washing his hands before dinnertime. It’s enough to make you wish for Star Trek food replicators.

Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

As were the Death Panels. That’s how Zero can claim it’s not in his bill, it’s already law.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM

WHAT? Where were the death panels in the stimulus bill and when did it become law?????

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM
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YEP….. they hid A LOT in those first few bills that they passed.

Each of those bills BUILD on each other.

EACH bill that they pass is part of making America into the USSA.

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ms on March 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Government spends $$$$$ on building schools and then have to pay some to go to school? Am I missing something?

Tom

marinetbryant on March 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Is there any “problem” in this country, where the solution to democrats isn’t a government takeover and control?

lorien1973 on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM

The problem is dopy subjects like you. The solution is for all sectors of society to work together to properly educate you and hold your hand. If that fails, they will isolate and marginalize you. All sectors to include: news, entertainment, schools at all levels, tattletales, purple shirts, quislings, and your ever benevolent uncle.

AnotherOpinion on March 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Criminal. These people should paint the capital steps with their precious bodily fluids.

daesleeper on March 9, 2010 at 5:40 PM

How long must the guy have been driving at 90+ endangering everyone befor a cop makes it to the scene, driving with him to establish the problem, discuss a combination of using brake and emergency brake, then finally get in front and use the squad car to stop him??

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM

But don’t you understand?!? I’d needed Government intervention to save me! —– 0-Bama Voter and Prius driver.

/s

dmh0667 on March 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM

In other news: A Prius will go 90??

BigWyo on March 9, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Hell, load it up. Throw in every idiot’s pet project and really call it universal health care – for people, animals, water, trees, bugs, air……

n0doz on March 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM

It would not surprise me or others, because they can add anything to any bill they want.

They must stop this practice because if they are serious about pollution of the environment. The concept of focus is not part of how politics view the process of governance.

MSGTAS on March 10, 2010 at 10:06 AM

Just FYI, the Prius does not have a “Neutral” option on the shifter (only drive and reverse), and it doesn’t use a key you can just turn off at will.

That being said, anyone who would buy such a poorly designed car in the first place should expect bad things to happen to them, and not just on the road either.

runawayyyy on March 10, 2010 at 2:32 PM