Pelosi: We need to pass ObamaCare so that the public can find out what’s in the bill

posted at 4:13 pm on March 9, 2010 by Allahpundit

No foolin’. It has, my friends, come to this.

You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

This is a nifty illustration of why Pelosi, and not The One, will play the role of boogeyman in GOP attack ads this fall. Accusing the public of being too ignorant to grasp the genius of an unpopular liberal program is what a rank-and-file lefty would do; using that alleged ignorance as a reason not to slow down on the legislation but to ram it through is the mark of an arrogant, power-hungry, sneering full-blown liberal cartoon. What she’s arguing here, put simply, is that the left has a mandate because you’re too goshdamned stupid to understand what’s going on. Well done, Madam Speaker. You’re parody-proof.

Speaking of arrogance, here’s the latest dubious jury-rigged contraption they’re designing to try to get Stupak and his pro-life bloc to vote for Reid’s bill:

Party leaders have discussed the possibility of using the House Rules Committee to avoid an actual vote on the Senate’s bill, according to leadership aides. They would do this by writing what’s called a “self-executing rule,” meaning the Senate bill would be attached to a package of fixes being negotiated between the two chambers — without an actual vote on the Senate’s legislation.

Under this scenario, the Senate bill would be automatically attached to the reconciliation package, if the House passes reconciliation. In other words, Bill A would just become part of Bill B if the House passes Bill B, and the Senate could then vote on a reconciliation package before sending it to the president. This allows House members to approve the broader measure without actually voting on it.

In other words, instead of having the House pass the Senate bill and then Obama signing it into law, with only Reid’s promise as an assurance that reconciliation will follow, they’re going to try to essentially merge the Senate bill with the reconciliation “fix” in the House first. Then Reid would have no choice but to pass the reconciliation “fix” in the Senate so that there would be a single identical bill passed by both chambers that Obama could sign. The obvious question: Why doesn’t the House just pass a new bill that incorporates the Senate bill and the reconciliation fix instead of this “Bill A” and “Bill B” crap? Answer: Because reconciliation only works for budgetary provisions, and most of the provisions of a giant new bill would be non-budgetary. They’d need 60 votes to re-pass it, not 50. (Although with Slow Joe ready to nuke the GOP’s opposition by any means necessary, you never know.) This whole headache could be avoided, of course, if Blue Dog Dems had an iota of confidence that Reid and Obama would keep their promise to pass a fix once the Senate bill passed the House, but they don’t. Every last bit of this excruciating procedural negotiation at this point stems from the fact that Democrats don’t trust other Democrats. Remember that.

Perhaps there’s a simpler way:

In reading the excellent article by Timothy Noah, the solution for the Stupak issue becomes obvious. Stupak’s main concern is that the Hyde language fully extends to the subsidized policies available in the exchanges. However, the Hyde language is not permanent law – it is an amendment in the HHS appropriations bill that expires every fiscal year. That is the basic challenge – Stupak wants to make a permanent law that mimics a temporary law that is annually renewed during an annual appropriations process.

The solution is to get the Appropriations Committee to promise to include language extending Hyde to the exchanges as part of the HHS Appropriations bill later this year. It will be part of the bill (just like the current Hyde language), and while it can be taken out of the bill by amendment on the floor, there are not the votes to do that. If there is an amendment to repeal the Hyde language on the House Floor this summer, Stupak will probably welcome that. Stupak and all his supporters will have their unambiguous vote against abortion coverage in HCR, and they will win. Pro-choice voters will be disappointed in the HHS fight, but there will be no reason to vote against HCR now. Stupak will get his language exactly the way the Hyde language exists now, and we will all get HCR. It is a win-win for everyone.

Yes, win-win for everyone — assuming Stupak trusts Pelosi and Reid to include that amendment in the appropriations bill. Does he? If so … why?

Update: If you’re looking for tea leaves on the numbers, Harkin says they’ll be done with this by March 27 (although Hoyer sounds less sure) and betting on InTrade that they’re going to pass something has suddenly spiked inside the D.C. area. Maybe a surge of confidence in light of Stupak’s newfound optimism? Could be, but that confidence might be misplaced: A reader reminded me last night that Stupak was sounding optimistic a few days ago too, and yet here we are, still with no movement in the House.

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OT/Glenn Beck is on and waiting to see if moron Massa is going to show up…heh heh

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 5:02 PM

In Vietnam we had to go into tunnels to learn what was in them.

I refuse to enter the tunnel of ObamaCare.

Helloyawl on March 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM

When in reality they should have just dropped in bombs.
The bomb that is Obamacare will destroy us all.

Badger40 on March 9, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I doubt our representatives in DC even understand it.

I guarantee you there is no Democrat in Congress that knows a portion of what you do about healthcare, if you understand medical Billing.

Pelosi can’t find her doctor’s office without her staffers dragging her worthless bag of bones there and that’s the sum total of what she knows about health care, guaranteed.

NoDonkey on March 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Double “yes”. I was thinking of enough people to encircle the Capitol and shutting it down. This is, clearly, what is going to be necessary.

neurosculptor on March 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I am willing to do this. Even being poor & living in ND I will use part of my income tax refund to buy a ticket to DC to do this.
I am so sick of this bastardization of our countries laws & procedures.
Something beyond the Tea Party protests HAS to be done.

Badger40 on March 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM

The forests will sing, the oceans will cry
The protests will soar through every sky
Brother Badger will carry the flame
While Neuro will throw down the lightning and rain
Upon the dragon boats, the tyrants in D.C. we will assail
Hotair’s battle-call will wail

Storming ashore with pitchforks and torches in hand
Claiming back our cherished land
To one day view the Mussolini Tree
And hang all the tyrants there from it the same as he

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

If Pelosi had 2 brain cells to rub together, they would be lonely.

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

What Pelosi pushes is a midnight horror not even Stephen King can come up with.

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Pelosi can’t find her doctor’s plastic surgeon’s office without her staffers dragging her worthless bag of bones there and that’s the sum total of what she knows about health care, guaranteed.

NoDonkey on March 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM

FIFY

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM

If Pelosi had 2 brain cells to rub together, they would be lonely.

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Or arguing with each other. Sheesh! Can you get over this?

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM

OT/Glenn Beck is on and waiting to see if moron Massa is going to show up…heh heh

sicoit on March 9, 2010 at 5:02 PM

He should probably be hoping that he doesn’t show.

Life is Wild and crazy guests are like a box of chocolates fruitcake. You never know what you are going to get end up looking like.
- Forest Beck

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

*sniffle*
You just brought tears of fierce Patriotism to my eyes.

Badger40 on March 9, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Pelosi must be listening to the band Enigma’s song

I love You, I’ll Kill You.

A line goes, “I love you, I’ll kill you…But I love you forever…”

Dang!

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

The Senate is being told to stay away from the Drudge Report and whitepages.com because they claim virus’ are originating there!

Cybergeezer on March 9, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Pelosi is evil. She knows exactly what Obama’s agenda is, and she’s done nothing but lie and deceive.

Theft of wealth, control of resources, control of people … power.

darwin on March 9, 2010 at 5:14 PM

So far Massa is running Glenns’ show.

donh525 on March 9, 2010 at 5:15 PM

What Pelosi pushes is a midnight horror not even Stephen King can come up with.

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM

They did the mash
They did the monster mash
The monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
They did the mash
To be imposed in a flash
They did the mash
They did the monster mash

The ghouls were having fun
The party had just begun
The guests included Kevorkian
Mengele and his son

The scene was rockin’, all were digging the sounds
America held in chains, threaten by baying hounds
The coffin-bangers were about to arrive
With their vocal group, “The Crypt-Kicker Pelosi Five”

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM

No sane person would try to ram through a new (gigantic) entitlement without fixing social security and medicare first. I really believe that this proves the democratic leadership is clinically insane.

duff65 on March 9, 2010 at 5:21 PM

this proves the democratic leadership is clinically insane.

duff65 on March 9, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Perhaps one day, rightfully, in the future dictionaries will list insanity as a synonym for being a democrat.

Badger40 on March 9, 2010 at 5:24 PM

LOLOL, holy crap, wtf is wrong with this woman?

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM

I heard that my penis will get bigger if I support ObamaCare.

year_of_the_dingo on March 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Oh, God, I’m dying here! LOL

Outstanding!

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM

LOLOL, holy crap, wtf is wrong with this woman?

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Um…everything?

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM

MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM

I like it.

And I’m surprised it’s still there and you aren’t warned/banned yet. ;)

Midas on March 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM

I was looking at Jay Cost’s take on the votes, all of the direction is yea’s going nay, not the other way around.

rob verdi on March 9, 2010 at 5:29 PM

No new ground broken on Beck….yet.

1921 C DRUM on March 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM

This is unf*cking believable! If this goes thru, the Rep. have to come up w/a way to defund it, or amend everything a zillion times after they regain control of congress. If the Dems do this, they will lose Congress this fall. Game over.

JAM on March 9, 2010 at 5:32 PM

All this trickery to getting this awful bill through, this must be the “change” that everyone was talking about. I am so fed up with these weasels, November cannot get here fast enough.

tommer74 on March 9, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Are people starting to gather in DC yet to protest this thing?

Queen0fCups on March 9, 2010 at 5:35 PM

I’m going to take a risk but…Wait on this. Because of Nancy, the Dems won’t have another Madam Speaker for another 50 years. Nancy is the libs’ ‘out’. Libs here might disagree, but Dems tend to be racist and sexist, as statements among them lean.

There won’t be another Madam Speaker, or a black president, elected by the Dems until about 2060.

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 5:39 PM

So the Brain Trust is meeting at the White House now to write the final version of this ridiculous maneuvering. Who’s on Pelosi’s “senior leadership team”? How can you be sharp enough for all of this politicking and yet be clueless and vapid enough to work for Pelosi?

motionview on March 9, 2010 at 5:51 PM

One of the worst moments in the history of this country was when this congress was elected. It shows the pure stupidity of the people, the true sociopathic nature of lifer politicians and that this nation has a death wish.

Hening on March 9, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Open. Honest. Transparent.

Completely insane.

drjohn on March 9, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Doesn’t anyone grasp what the Dems did?

They chose the lowest common denominators to be their leaders.

I ask the libs here–is there no woman in your ranks who would be Speaker other than Nancy Pelosi? Are you saying she is the best woman you could offer for the Speakership?

For a president of color, is Obama the best you had to offer?

If you’re saying, to a Conservative like me, Pelosi and O are your best, then you aren’t worth much, are you?

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 6:03 PM

She is oooooooold.

misterpeasea on March 9, 2010 at 6:07 PM

One of the worst moments in the history of this country was when this congress was elected.
Hening on March 9, 2010 at 5:52 PM

This congress was elected as a result of the dems decades long push to register anything that breaths as long as they vote democratic. It doesn’t matter to them (convicts, illegals, uneducated) the more the better. The only way to fix this is to remember that this is (supposed to be) a federal republic and that the states are supposed to make the voting rules, not Washington. At the least, all voters should be required to pass a “simple” civics test before being registered to vote.

duff65 on March 9, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Pelosi: We need to pass ObamaCare so that the public can find out what’s in the bill

In other words: Surprise!

James on March 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM

And another thing, to you libs: If you were truly so liberal, you’d never have a elected a black president who isn’t half white!

You’d have elected a true African-American.

Yes–take that for the inferences I intend against you.

Liam on March 9, 2010 at 6:13 PM

I’m not really up to speed on Nancy, but I assume she is a lawyer, like 90% of Congress Critters?

That is brilliant.

“Hey, I need you to sign this contract first, then you can see what’s in it.”

reaganaut on March 9, 2010 at 6:13 PM

i’d like to see the carfax report please.

poppieseeds on March 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Hey Nancy, I need you to put this rope around your neck… then Ill tell what its for..

Viper1 on March 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Landlord: Here you go tenant, just sign at the bottom

Tenant: Uhh, but the whole page is blank.

Landlord: Yeah don’t worry about it, just sign here and I as soon as you do, I will let you know how much your rent is every month and what apartment you will live in.

angryed on March 9, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Under this scenario, the Senate bill would be automatically attached to the reconciliation package, if the House passes reconciliation. In other words, Bill A would just become part of Bill B if the House passes Bill B, and the Senate could then vote on a reconciliation package before sending it to the president. This allows House members to approve the broader measure without actually voting on it.

First, they have to have a bill, not a package. So far, I haven’t seen anything even close to resembling a bill. The “package” that was offered by BamBam was just a lot of nebulous concepts. No one is going to let that go through.

If I recall correctly, for a bill to go through reconciliation, it will have to be brought up in several different committees first. This is going to take a lot longer than the House thinks it will.

The key phrase is “if the House passes reconciliation” – I don’t think they will have the votes to get it out of the House in the first place; I think that if they try this they will have a full-blown revolt on their hands from the moderate Democrats. Their constituents are MAD and getting madder. I think that the moderates are starting to get very annoyed with the progressives as well.

TeresainFortWorth on March 9, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Allow me to drop my Politico-Pelosi comment here again:

Over at “The Corner,” Yuval Levin quotes some remarks that Pelosi made recently. Tell me that the woman in not a control freak. Madame Do-Gooder wants to be the nation’s nanny.

Pass It To Find Out What’s In It [Yuval Levin]

For your edification, a few of the many gems from this speech by Nancy Pelosi to the 2010 legislative conference of the National Association of Counties today:

You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. . . .

Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon. . . .

We must have the courage, though, to get the job done. We have the ideas. We have the commitment. We have the dedication. We know the urgency. Now we have to have the courage to get the job done. So proud that President Obama is taking the message so forcefully to the American people! This is long overdue, a hundred years.

It’s all very exciting.

Call your representatives. Urge them to influence other reps to vote NO. This bill must not pass.

onlineanalyst on March 9, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Stupak Says There Is No Deal, He Won’t Agree to Separate Fix [Daniel Foster]

Rep. Bart Stupak (D., Mich.) talked with John McCormack at The Weekly Standard today, and put it bluntly: there is no compromise and there is no deal. “If I didn’t” cave in November,” Stupak told McCormack, “why would I do it now after all the crap I’ve been through?”

“Everyone’s going around saying there’s a compromise—there’s no such thing,” Stupak said. What’s changed between this week and last, Stupak went on, is that he had his first real conversation with Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and Congressman Henry Waxman about fixing the bill.

But Stupak made one thing very clear: While he’s optimistic, there’s a lot of confusion about how the House would structure a bill that he could vote for. Stupak says “the majority party can get it done. Where there’s a will there’s a way.” But: “No one has said here’s how you do it, here’s the legislative scheme.”

Stupak affirmed that he will not settle for an agreement to pass the bill now and fix the bill’s problems on abortion later: “If they say ‘we’ll give you a letter saying we’ll take care of this later,’ that’s not acceptable because later never comes.”

NRO Corner a few minutes ago.

Wethal on March 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Wethal on March 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Let me translate Demspeak for you: What Stupak means is that he wants a bigger bribe from Nancy and Barry. If there is an intrade bet on whether Stupak votes Yes, buy as much as you can, cuz this is the surest bet you will ever find.

angryed on March 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM

preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention

Nancy honey:

If prevention was the magic bullet you claim it is, don’t you think insurance companies would gladly pay the $200 for preventative care and save the $200,000 in disease fixing?

angryed on March 9, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Betting this is her “exciting” part- was on the radio today.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6275T720100309?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=11700

18% tax on pizza, soda etc will help us lose 5 lbs a year.

That is going to be Pelosi’s and the Health Board’s Preventive care. And you thought you would get free school physicals and shots. Hah!

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 9, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Should start calling the House Madam ‘Felix the Cat(ty)’ “cause whenever (s)he’s in a fix, (s)he reaches into her ‘Bag of Tricks” (double meaning free of charge)

SeniorD on March 9, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

Wonderful, the government is going to throw me in jail if I don’t eat my vegetables.

*Sigh* I think my mom threatened me with something like this when I was younger.

RINO in Name Only on March 9, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Pelosi: We need to pass ObamaCare so that the public can find out what’s in the bill

Nancy needs to face a firing squad, so she can find out who her accusers are.

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

She is a bottomless pit of ignorance, isn’t she?
On the other hand: it’s nice that slow-learning egomaniac dems can tell their equally-dim offspring that someday, they too can become Speaker of the House.

n0doz on March 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM

… Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

Really??

Jeepers, I feel tingly all over.

dissent555 on March 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I gotta give Allahpundit credit here. He’s expert at posting one story that says “it’s toast” followed shortly by another that claims “Endgame” followed almost immediately by one more that asserts “indefinite delay,” etc.

That kind of ping pong storytelling is what good novelists or screenwriters do to keep you on the edge of your seat, chapter after chapter, week after week.

AP, you should branch out.

JDPerren on March 9, 2010 at 7:43 PM

In other words, this bill is like a great big box of Cracker Jack, with a really special prize inside! But to get to see what the special prize is, you have to buy the whole box first, right?

On the other hand, Cracker Jack tends to give me an upset stomach and the prize is usually some cheap-ass piece of junk anyway.

So like B.O.-care, I’ll give the box a pass.

pilamaye on March 9, 2010 at 7:45 PM

Me think this bill needs to be renamed.

I propose calling it

The “Rube Goldberg heath care contraption”!

Which is a more clear than anything Obama or Pelosi has stated so far.

DSchoen on March 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

I thought it was about competition, lower cost, and oh…what was the other thing…..oh yeah…jobs.

Prevention….government style.

“Put your hands on your head…..I’m gonna pat you down for your protection as well as mine….you got anything in your pockets you want to tell me about…like drugs, needles, twinkies, jerky stick..anything?”

On the other hand:

“Listen up, pigs!….I want a chopper, $100,000 in unmarked cash, and 10 bags of Cheeto’s….when I get the Cheeto’s, I’ll half the hostages go….”

BobMbx on March 9, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Teacher says, every time a bell rings an angel gets his wings.

To which George Bailey starring as Mr. Smith says…

That’s right, that’s right.

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Keep talk Nan, even a cracked bell going ‘doink’ can bring light to the world once in a while.
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RalphyBoy on March 9, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Dude, Pelosi sucks out loud, with a megaphone.

Geronimo on March 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM

I do medical billing, I run a doctor’s practice for ER providers. This bill is poison, people. Pure poison.

Understanding the medical billing system in this country is not an easy task. I doubt our representatives in DC even understand it.

First lesson: Charges do not mean receivables. And receivables do not mean collections.

shomegirl on March 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I have done medical billing too and yes most people just don’t get it. I have a family member that does open heart surgery. He gets reimbursed from MC about 200.00 for standing for 6-8 hrs doing surgery. Our mechanic makes more than that to fix some menial thing wrong with our car. That is why private insurance has gotten so expensive. Over utilization of MA & MC. What do they think single payer is? There will be a mass exodus of providers out of medicine if this passes. Billing MC is a fricking nightmare. Worse than that is BCBS.

wi farmgirl on March 9, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Only thing this hag can pass is another liberal turd!

jgdp on March 9, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Speaker Pelosi Announces Meaning of Health Care Bill Can Only Be Discerned After She Inhales Prophetic Vapors at Bill Passage Ceremony http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/speaker-pelosi-announces-meaning-of.html

Mervis Winter on March 9, 2010 at 9:09 PM

How soon until they decide to bypass this pesky “Congress” nonsense entirely and just rule by decree?

ronsfi on March 9, 2010 at 9:25 PM

This is exactly what David Axelrod said in January 2010:

AXELROD: I think you’re misreading the Massachusetts poll, I think want action on healthcare… the underlying elements of it are popluar and important and people will never know what’s in that bill until we pass it, the President signs it, and they have a whole range of protections they never had before.

They don’t get very creative with their talking points.

Amy Proctor on March 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Do we really need to go to DC, and physically shut down the congress?
Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Yes, something like that.
It’s almost time.

justltl on March 9, 2010 at 10:29 PM

She cannot tell the public what is in it, because she does not know. And, she will never find out what is in it because she and her “fellows” are excluded from it. But the public will find out.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Do we really need to go to DC, and physically shut down the congress?
Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Yes, something like that.
It’s almost time.

justltl on March 9, 2010 at 10:29 PM

HotAir Field Trip!!!!!!!

Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 11:59 PM

This old womans photo is somewhere near the dictionary word ” imbecile “

tx2654 on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 AM

I am cooking up the tar.

Someone get me some feathers.

Sherman1864 on March 10, 2010 at 3:46 AM

come oooooooooooooon.

Alden Pyle on March 10, 2010 at 7:10 AM

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

But until we pass this bill, there’s no way in hell I’ll let you even take a peep at it.

olesparkie on March 10, 2010 at 7:57 AM

Nanny Pissawfly, I can read and have read your damning bill and you are the ones that need to read with understanding and just drop it because we do not want U.S. to be exposed to its deadly contents.

MSGTAS on March 10, 2010 at 10:00 AM

But it will create 4 million new jobs AND lower costs AND improve health care AND avoid lines AND provide coverage for more people… and I think the rainbow-crapping unicorns and fairies to bring you free candy are mandated in there too.

C’mon, don’t you believe that someone will pay you to eat a free lunch? I guess offering a promised freebie looked too costly so they thought they’d step up the promises?

gekkobear on March 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM

You can whine about Pelosi on here, or you can throw a few bucks to her opponent.

popularpeoplesfront on March 10, 2010 at 3:29 PM

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