ObamaCare abortion debate rekindles RomneyCare controversies
posted at 1:36 pm on March 9, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Jules Crittenden calls it Mitt Romney’s health-care problem, and he doesn’t mean a nagging cold. Romney appeared on Fox News Sunday to talk about his new book, but Chris Wallace probed Romney’s response to criticisms mounting over his expansive health-care system in Massachusetts. That plan imposed mandates on businesses and individuals, setting minimum insurance-coverage standards, and subsidies — which looks a lot like the ObamaCare proposal floating in Congress. The result has been skyrocketing premiums and massive cost overruns, one of the main arguments against the ObamaCare approach:
On the surface, it would seem that the abortion coverage in RomneyCare would be the big problem. However, as the Boston Herald reports, Romney had little choice in that provision:
Former Gov. Mitt Romney’s presumed 2012 presidential campaign is getting off to a bumpy start as his signature Bay State health-care plan has come under new fire from conservatives because it subsidizes abortions.
Romney’s landmark 2006 universal health-care law allows low-income residents covered under Commonwealth Care to get taxpayer-funded abortions. Abortion has become a lightning rod in the highly charged battle over President Obama’s health-care push. …
But Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said his boss had no choice when he pushed his health plan because he had to abide by a Supreme Judicial Court ruling mandating abortion coverage for women getting Medicaid.
“It’s not something that Gov. Romney agrees with, but it’s longstanding court precedent that predates his administration,” Fehrnstrom wrote in an e-mail.
The bigger problem is the enormous cost of RomneyCare. In this interview, Romney said that he didn’t raise taxes to pay for the plan, but the cost overruns will force Massachusetts to either do so now or significantly alter the program:
Romney’s making quite a few claims about what Romneycare is doing to Massachusetts, claims that don’t add up. He told Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday that “the plan this year, for instance, is $80 million below budget.”
But The Wall Street Journal reports that it’s nearly $50 million over budget.
Romney then added that the costs are “coming in very much within the range that was forecast when the Legislature and I put this together.” In fact, Gov. Deval Patrick’s asking for $912 million to fund the program for next year – at least $100 million more than projected when Romney was governor.
And that’s just what it’s costing us as taxpayers. Romneycare is also driving up our insurance premiums and the cost of our actual health care, too. So will Obamacare. But Romney, a Republican candidate for president, is defending the former and attacking the latter.
In his defense, Romney admitted to Fox that about half of the real costs of “extending coverage to the uninsured” (aka forcing young, healthy people to buy expensive insurance they don’t need) is covered by federal tax dollars. In other words, as expensive as it is, without federal subsidies it would cost even more.
Romney wants to differentiate his approach to that of ObamaCare by noting that his plan was on the state level, not federal. That’s true, but also a non-sequitur. As the Herald notes, it uses mainly the same approach that ObamaCare uses in imposing more government control over the health-care sector. Like ObamaCare will, Massachusetts has only succeeded in increasing costs, both to the government and to individuals. While the White House acknowledges using the Massachusetts plan as a model for their own general suggestions on health-care reform, their opponents have used Massachusetts much more specifically as an argument against them. And Scott Brown’s win in Massachusetts speaks volumes about how Bay State voters feel about government-controlled health care.
Romney would be better off jettisoning his support of the plan, perhaps chalking it up to bad implementation. Arguing that following a similar plan on a federal level is objectionable merely because of federalism isn’t going to work if Romney wants to challenge for the GOP nomination to run against Obama in 2012. The nation is coming around to the realization that government intervention creates more problems than it solves, and that free-market reform has the best chance of succeeding. Romney’s continued insistence on supporting a government intervention through some nuanced points on which level mandates what to whom is a losing argument.
Update: The Club for Growth isn’t impressed, either:
But guess who disagrees with Romney’s assessment? The Club for Growth, a powerhouse conservative group with a lot of sway in GOP primaries. A top Club official tore into Romney, telling us that if Romney believes this, then he’s “in the wrong party.”
“We can say unequivocally that that is not a conservative plan,” Andy Roth, Club for Growth’s vice president for government affairs, told our reporter Ryan Derousseau when asked for comment on Romney’s claim about Romneycare.
On Sunday, Romney elicited skepticism even from Fox’s Chris Wallace when he said: “There a big difference between what we did and what President Obama is doing. What we did I think is the ultimate conservative plan.”
But Club for Growth’s Roth dismissed this as bunk, citing Romneycare’s individual mandate as proof. “The individual mandate is diametrically against what free-market conservatives believe in,” he said, adding that if Romney thinks his plan amounts to a conservative policy “than I think he is in the wrong party.”
Would Romney benefit by saying instead, “Look, I tried working with the Democrats on their terms, and this turned out to be a big mistake”? I think it would put him more in the mainstream of where Americans want to take health-care reform now. It would work better than continuing to defend MassCare.









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Yeah, this is a sinker for Mitt, and I voted for him in the ’08 primary. My understanding was that, if he vetoed the legislation, he would have been overriden by the MA legislature, but that aspect seems to have vanished from the discussion.
DaydreamBeliever on March 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM
The states were supposed to be “laboratories for democracy”, Romney should chalk up RomneyCare to an experiment that failed, and that it was much better for us to see the failure in Massachusetts rather than have a Frankenstein’s Monster of ObamaCare imposed on the whole country.
rbj on March 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM
Nice knowin’ ya, Mitt.
Huckabee/Paul 2012
Bishop on March 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM
Yay! I am so excited that we might have a 2012 GOP contender who was responsible for the first implementation of state-run healthcare!! /sarc
Nominating this guy for 2012 would be a disaster.
Norwegian on March 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Dealbreaker for me. If Mitt had won in 2008, we’d have “Romneycare” as a done deal already. He won’t abandon Romneycare–how could he, its his sole accomplishment in government–to the contrary he brags about how great it is. And therefore he can’t credibly oppose Maobamacare.
Mitt is just another Big Government Republican. If Smart Socialism is your dream for 2012, go for it. I won’t be voting for him, that is certain.
james23 on March 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM
You can change the name, but the DNA of ObamaCare doesn’t lie.
Mitt Romney…….You ARE the father.
portlandon on March 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM
The possibility of being over ridden is not exactly a solid argument against using the veto.
But that still doesn’t explain why he continues to go out of his way to defend this plan.
MarkTheGreat on March 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I’ve always wondered why Romney has never been brought up in the past full year of this debate.
Republicans won’t smear one of their own potential presidential candidates (*snort*).
Democrats won’t compare obamacare to any other failed experiment in the world, which there are plenty.
Mord on March 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM
Nice knowing you US of A.
MarkTheGreat on March 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM
And you know who this benefits?
oh, wait…I guess not.
Asher on March 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I agree with everything you said.
deidre on March 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM
Group doctor visits in Massachusetts
No Mitt for me
flyfisher on March 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM
8-O
Count to 10 on March 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Game show host.
yubley on March 9, 2010 at 1:54 PM
Yeah, I know.
DaydreamBeliever on March 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM
IMHO, Romney could help the conservative cause by honestly admitting that RomneyCare was the best possible implementation of mandatory health insurance AND it sucks, it’s a failure, and it should never be tried again.
Al in St. Lou on March 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Mitt should have just said:
Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM
You nailed it.
Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Ed — I think your suggestion is very wise and highly appropriate. Mitt should just come out and say it was thought to be an ambitious idea, but in reality (implementation), it sucked – period. Learn from the mistake and move on.
D2Boston on March 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM
hmmm two days later and Ed had to post it.
unseen on March 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Still waiting for Romney to repudiate the individual mandate. It is the keystone of government controlled health care in Massachusetts and the rest of the country and, in practice, can be used as an unlimited tax.
Until he does, he can’t be trusted with national office.
secant on March 9, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I predict he will still run in 2012, his ego is simply too big to realize that we would never win.
Which is fine with me. Mittens will split the DC-Insider Approved RINO/Centrist vote with Pawlenty & Daniels, making it that more easier for a true conservative to win the nomination.
Norwegian on March 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM
This is why the MSM wants Romney to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
BPD on March 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM
1 – Let the doctors and hospitals write off against federal and state taxes all care given to the poor and illegals.
2 – Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.
3 – “Looser Pays” Tort Reform.
The problem will be solved overnight…”
Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM
add in doing away with the employer tax credit for insurance plans and make the insurance companies have to go after individual customers instead of major companies. the increase in competition would lower prices overnight and streamline insurance plans on what they cover.
No special groups of pooled risk. Make america your risk pool.
unseen on March 9, 2010 at 2:02 PM
Mitt’s waterloo.
Kissmygrits on March 9, 2010 at 2:02 PM
You can’t repudiate it. Either you force everyone to buy insurance, or you permit hospitals to deny treatment to the uninsured that can’t pay cash. One of those two must be present, or the entire system is a farce.
Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Romney’s campaign is traveling in a car with Ted Kennedy… it will not turn out well.
mankai on March 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM
I agree that abortion wasn’t the only problem with that bill. While the abortion provisions were the only deal breaker I needed to know I would never vote for Romney, I do worry that in the Obamacare battle, they will be used to slide the rest of the stinking mess through, in that they will (appear to) take out abortion coverage and appease pro-life dems, USCCB, etc….and then we’ll get stuck with the rest of the socialized medicine mess.
But I can’t stand letting Mitt off by saying abortion coverage was forced in by the courts, blah blah…. Did they establish the low cost of $50? I know they didn’t mandate the guaranteed Planned Parenthood seat on the health provisions board, or prevent a like one to a pro-life advocate. Mitt owns that. He should have vetoed the whole ugly bill, even if it did get overridden. It would have been the ethical thing to do, and he didn’t do it.
No to Mitt.
pannw on March 9, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Crist/Scozzafavalavabaza 2012
Bishop on March 9, 2010 at 2:07 PM
I have always said that this is a fine example of why Mitt Romney should never lead the Conservative Agenda. Agreeing to go along with something like this because you want to be bi-partisan in a so-called Liberal state is not the right direction to take. The incrementalism is a bad idea. Thinking you can control bad ideas by put band-aids on them to make them better is plain stupid. Leading and explaining why Conservative ideas are the better direction is the way to go. Scott Brown being elected proves that if you just get the message out there the general public can make better choices on their own. People are not unmovable and unchangeable. Why are you a Conservative if you don’t fully believe in the very thing you’re suppose to be selling, your ideals? The person who needs to lead is the one who can change the Centrist and bi-partisans to your side and understand why you have the better direction for the country and the other side should be compromising with you, not the other way around. The fact that he can’t see this makes him a weak leader at best. No thanks!
Sultry Beauty on March 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM
“I knew what I was getting into, and I did it anyway”
Chris_Balsz on March 9, 2010 at 2:09 PM
How can Mitt dismiss RomneyCare now? He would be a flip-flopper on another issue since he has been on-air for the past few months defending it.
deidre on March 9, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Yeah, this is bad and probably will get worse, but I will still entertain the idea of considering Romney for 2012 so long as he continues not to be Mike Huckabee.
myrenovations on March 9, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Romneycare might be a mess, but it’s Massachusetts’ mess. Making it a matter for the states is a strong position, as long as the federal government doesn’t have to subsidize it.
Buddahpundit on March 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Mitt needs to offer his mea culpa and admit he f’ed up. He doesn’t have a prayer of winning the nomination(assuming Palin runs) if he insists on defending Romneycare by essentially pulling figures out of his backside and claiming the intent was merely to ensure all citizens of MassachusettEs.
Doughboy on March 9, 2010 at 2:12 PM
IMHO, Romney could help the conservative cause by honestly admitting that RomneyCare was the best possible implementation of mandatory health insurance AND it sucks, it’s a failure, and it should never be tried again.
Al in St. Lou on March 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM
That bears repeating.
pannw on March 9, 2010 at 2:12 PM
I think Romney is a smart man, and seems to be a nice man…and a shrewd businessman. But as President, he’s a liberal, and I wouldn’t vote for him, if ACORN put a gun to my head and ordered me to.
capejasmine on March 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Option C– make medical debt nondischargeable in bankruptcy, like student loans.
Chris_Balsz on March 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Ed, this is a great idea. However, I doubt he (or any other politician) will have the guts to do it.
SouthernGent on March 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM
I watched his interview…and couldn’t believe the words that were coming out of his mouth. This was just after reading the column out of the Boston Globe documenting the stuff that intuitively we all know will happen: increased premiums, increased costs, worse service. Someone after all has to pay for all the people that want the free lunch. I have never really been a Mitt guy, and that opinion was reinforced in spades after listening to him act like MA’s health care plan was so great. We, as conservatives, can do much better than Romney.
search4truth on March 9, 2010 at 2:14 PM
But we DO subsidize it.
And a year ago Mr. Romney urged President Obama to look to MassCare as a model for a national plan, in an op-ed he wrote.
Chris_Balsz on March 9, 2010 at 2:15 PM
The Alpha and Omega of this whole debate. But either Romney is unwilling to admit that his experiment didn’t work, he secretly likes the idea of Obamacare, or he hasn’t the spine to take a stand against it.
Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM
The truth is Romneycare is just the beginning of Romney’s problems as a candidate. I could NEVER support him because of the way he handled firearms in Massachusetts. He also wanted to send billions to Detroit. He’s just not a conservative. And he’s about as warm as a cigar store Indian.
I will concede that Mitt would be better than Obama, but that’s an awfully low bar–Bill Clinton would be, too.
flyfisher on March 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Every time Mitt opens his yap in defense of Romneycare, he helps sell Obamacare. Please Mitt, go away until after the elections, huh pal?
james23 on March 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Please tell me you forgot the /sarc tag???
lovingmyUSA on March 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Buh-bye, Mitt.
Midas on March 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM
As would, perhaps, Jimmy Carter.
Midas on March 9, 2010 at 2:17 PM
The Romney v. Huckabee 2012 poo flinging contest is going to be EPIC!!!
BPD on March 9, 2010 at 2:18 PM
What really bugs me is how he constantly refers to how 98% of people in MassachusettEs are covered. Great, but what about the unintended consequences like exploding costs and lower quality of health care?
No one denies that Obamacare will expand coverage to 30 million more Americans(not to mention millions of illegals). But in order to do this, it will mandate that people buy insurance under threaten of fines or imprisonment and will lead to higher premiums according to the CBO. Sorry, but Romney is sounding way too much like a liberal Democrat when he attempts to defend his own health care plan.
Doughboy on March 9, 2010 at 2:19 PM
I don’t have a problem with a mandate.
Right now, I’m being forced to pay for the healthcare of everyone who doesn’t have insurance.
What’s wrong with making everyone pay their own way?
JA on March 9, 2010 at 2:19 PM
What’s Lyle Waggoner doing on a Hot Air Thread?
kingsjester on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Better late than never on this post or something like that.
***crickets***
Knucklehead on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM
I certainly hope so, but I don’t know who that is at the moment.
I like Palin, but am not convinced she’s ready, and am absolutely certain that she was irrepairably (sp?) harmed as a candidate by the media, as unfair as that is. She will *never* get beyond that in the eyes of most folks, I fear. Die-hard fans will love her no matter what, but it takes more than that to win nationally, I think.
Midas on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM
I am not excited about Mitt Romney. Would I vote for him over Obama? That goes without saying. Lets say he does win. In 2012 if the primary was between Romney/whoever and DeMint/Rubio where does your vote go?
Theworldisnotenough on March 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Yep.
98% are covered.
98% have higher premiums.
98% have higher taxes.
98% have lower standards of care.
etc…
Midas on March 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Put some butter on this man…..because he is TOAST.
omnipotent on March 9, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Look, precious few people out there in the world know or care about Romneycare and all the attendant issues.
Romney’s real problem is the near instant narcolepsy he inspires. It’s sad.
So forgettable … that’s what you are…
TheUnrepentantGeek on March 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM
But, but, but Mitt Romney is the only Republican with Fiscal credibility. Oh, snap he ran a already foundering state even further into the red. I think this calls for some more unsubstantiated slanderous attacks on Sarah Palin, that will fix Mitt Romney’s problems.
Rode Werk on March 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Yeah, this has been pointed out repeatedly on several posts for the last two days.
Even though I love Ed–this makes one wonder how many emails were being ignored, or if new management may be a little…to…um…
*stops, looks over shoulder…
lovingmyUSA on March 9, 2010 at 2:26 PM
I do! Even if it passes I will be surprised if we ever see so much as an aspirin from this. The fiscal crisis is much worse than almost anyone wants to admit. They want the tax revenue in the short term to keep the government afloat. Social Security is speeding toward insolvency. When grandma can’t get paid, health care will be least of our national worries.
flyfisher on March 9, 2010 at 2:27 PM
He’s talking about federalism nowadays. If he proposed nationwide RomneyCare, then his federalism claim won’t fly.
Buddahpundit on March 9, 2010 at 2:28 PM
The fact that this site shills for Mitt Romney has been pointed out time and again. It is pretty stunning that they actually covered this topic, even though they had numerous members pointing out their inconsistency on Mitt Romney, they usually tend to plug their ears, cover their eyes and hope the bad news will disappear before we get too rowdy.
Next topic will undoubtedly be some repost of a lefty blog spreading a lie about Sarah Palin in 3…2…1…
Rode Werk on March 9, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Well we may not be able to receive aspirin, but we’ll technically have health care coverage. It’ll just be a meaningless statistic. That’s why what Mitt says bothers me. So what if 98% of MassachusettEs residents have insurance if A)they’re required to by law and B)it’s more expensive than before?
Doughboy on March 9, 2010 at 2:35 PM
I agree with others as to the difficulty of the “who is our guy/gal for 2012″ question….but I am firmly against this notion that we must christen “the chosen one” 4 years ahead of time. I like what pols like Pence, DeMint and my governor Mitch Daniels have been bringing to the table. (I especially like Daniels b/c he DOESN’T really want the job–kinda like the line from Gladiator where Marcus Aurelius tells Maximus…”that’s why it must be you”). I am keeping an open mind, and hoping that someone wows me in the next year or two….
search4truth on March 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think this is really not that big of a deal. Let’s keep things in the proper perspective: It’s not like his parents took his brother to Canada for health care when he was 5 years old. Now THAT would be a disqualifying offense!!!
BPD on March 9, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Possibly the conservative Internet was waiting to come to a consensus on how to approach the….RomneyCare Elephant in the corner.
He IS next in line.
portlandon on March 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM
I agree with you. Just making the point that I think the whole health care thing is a big con. It’s about money and power, not health care.
flyfisher on March 9, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Romney should be the strongest opponent of RomneyCare and ZeroCare.
Attempting to profit from this destructive failure is beyond disingenuous.
Romney could do no better, for our nation and his aspirations, than climbing the mountain and confessing his sin of Socialist “HealthCare.”
Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Good thing we don’t have to choose candidates based on their place in line, then.
Romney is a better RINO than McCain, but he’s still a RINO. He might get more of the social conservative vote, but he’s still an expander of government. The GOP will either win in 2012 with a small-government candidate, or lose a 3-party race with a big party candidate.
hawksruleva on March 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM
True. But how’s he look in jogging shorts?
hawksruleva on March 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Only as much as they use healthcare.
If I had to buy insurance I never used, that’s plain robbery.
And go to the store…the price of Haagen Daas is tied to who buys Haagen Daas. If Haagen Daas knew it could demand a 5% increase every year…and get it…they’d do it.
You’re inflating my health care costs by shilling out a premium not related to your usage.
Chris_Balsz on March 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM
It will have to be dealt with. I don’t want to watch.
DaydreamBeliever on March 9, 2010 at 2:56 PM
No it isn’t a non-sequitor. Quite the opposite. It’s the key to the whole issue.
Romney made lots of mistakes in his attempt to defend RomneyCare, but this point of it being a state issue was exactly the point and Wallace merely ignored this because Wallace doesn’t understand jack about the Constitution. What’s your excuse?
Do you not understand that I can leave Massachusetts and move to a state which has a more amenable set of health care/insurance laws, but that is impossible to do when it is nationwide? Crazy. Really.
neurosculptor on March 9, 2010 at 2:58 PM
I suppose Club for Growth would take issue with Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation as well:
http://www.masstaxpayers.org/files/Health%20care-NT.pdf
If they are going to throw out contradicting figures lets see the calculations. Romney is correct about his figures. I think the others are confused. Would love to study their calculations. Someone please provide a link?
Lori on March 9, 2010 at 3:02 PM
BaconCheese Burger/Peanutbutter Jelly 2012
Americannodash on March 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM
I recommend reading this blog which addresses the common criticism of Mitt’s health care plan.
However, I’m gonna address some common criticism in depth. Let me address several issues:
1.Abortion
SED address the abortion aspect of Mitt’s plan in another post on another thread. But I’m reposting it here:
2. Federalism
It is very funny to me how many conservatives, especially on Hot Air, who sing praises to the virtues of federalism.
Yet,when a state, like Massachusetts, enacts a health care plan that they don’t like and flip flop on the idea of federalsim and attack Mitt’s plan.
Its funny how people get angry at Mitt when he’s doing something what the Constitution allows the states to do which is that every state has a right to make plans for their citizens.
How Federalism Works
The Constitution allows States like MA or CA or WA or any other state to make their own choices in addressing the unique health care needs of its citizens.
Each state is supposed to be a laboratory for experimenting with different approaches on how to resolve problems.
Thus, Massachusetts will have one approach to dealing with health care problems while California will have a different approach in addressing the same exact problem.
Furthermore, allowing the 50 states to run their own experiments is another way of allowing states to compete with one another.
For example, if you don’t like Utah’s health care plan, you can go to Kansas or any other state where you feel there is a better health care plan.
The founding fathers knew that while two states may be facing the same problem, they knew that no states are the same and as a result, the states must be free to address the problem based unique circumstances in those states.
Again, how Utah comes up with a health care plan will not be the same as Washington State or Massachusetts due to differences in demographics, economics and etc.
That’s the beauty of federalism.
3. RomneyCare is NOT the Same as ObamaCare
Here’s why:
Unlike ObamaCare, there is no single payer program. Those covered in Massachusetts are covered through the private sector, even the person receives financial assistance from the government in order to obtain coverage from the private insurer.
Let me make the difference real clear:
ObamaCare provides coverage to the citizens via the Unites States Government.
RomneyCare provides coverage to the citizens via private sector even if government pays for it.
As it stands right now, the taxpayer is being forced to pay for the healthcare of everyone who doesn’t have insurance.
With Mitt Romney’s plan, everyone is required to pay for their own insurance, not to pay for the insurance of other people.
What’s wrong with making everyone pay their own way?
4. Romney’s plan is popular in Massachusetts
A poll conducted this week by The Washington Post of 880 Massachusetts residents who said they voted in the special election found that 68 percent support the Massachusetts plan. Even among Brown voters, slightly more than half backed the 2006 law.” (Source.)
5. Flaws With Mitts Health Care Plans Were Created By The Democrats.
The Democrats pretty much altered, modified and tinkered with the original plans of Mitt’s Health Care plan.
Sure, the health care plan has its flaws and mistakes…which are mainly attributable to the democrats attempting to modify Mitt’s plan…but the core conservative principles were preserved and that’s why Mitt’s plan works and is a hit with the Mass citizens.
Which is why, from now on, people should call it MassDemCare, not RomneyCare.
Conservative Samizdat on March 9, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Citizens for Limited Taxation calls the
So-Called Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation:
The Fat-Cats’Trojan Horse
Jenfidel on March 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM
lol
Brian1972 on March 9, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Americans rightfully bristle at Five Year Plans.
Maquis on March 9, 2010 at 3:15 PM
And I’m so sure they’re an unbiased source. Likely as not the MTF has an equally fair and reasonable opinon about the CLT.
Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Good luck with that one. It is now, and will be through 2012, RomneyCare, like it or not.
Even Romney himself doesn’t run away from it, so your rebranding won’t fly very high.
If Romney did not want RomneyCare, he could have not signed a big government health plan into law, being the Chief Executive and all, it was in his power to not do it.
But he did it.
Brian1972 on March 9, 2010 at 3:18 PM
You’re a big Mitt-bot, aren’t you?
Sorry, but Mitt ain’t gonna get out of his part in pushing MittCare by putting Democrat lipstick on that pig.
Jenfidel on March 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Typical. Can’t refute the plethora of facts he posted, so you go after the messenger.
Try posting actual counterarguments with sources instead.
Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM
So what?
The MTF report Lori cited says that MittCare has done a super job of providing health care for everyone in MA and hasn’t cost MA taxpayers *any* more money!
It’s a miracle of impartial reporting!
Jenfidel on March 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Two reasons why you’re stupid.
1) Mitt’s health care plan is NOT a “communist” style health care plan as your point is suggesting.
2). Even if it were true, the Constitution allows the states , NOT the federal government to come up with its own health care plan.
If Kansas, Washington, Utah or Florida or any other state wants to come up with a “communist” style plan, the Constitution permits the states to do so.
Conservative Samizdat on March 9, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Why?
Because you said so?
No one else has on these comments…
Jenfidel on March 9, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Has anyone taken the state to court over the legality of the individual mandate?
Rocks on March 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM
So it’s “robbery” if you have to buy insurance that you don’t use, huh?
How about the robbery that occurs every time the responsible members of society are forced to pay for someone who doesn’t have insurance?
I’m fine with your reasoning, as long as you’re willing to sign a document agreeing that by forgoing insurance, you are also giving up the right to any healthcare that you can’t pay for.
The Club for Growth is wrong on this one. Forcing people to be responsible and pay their own way is conservative.
JA on March 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM
For the same reason they wanted McCain in 2008. So the Democrat can win.
MarkTheGreat on March 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Uh, no.
The Constitution doesn’t encourage any entity in the U.S. to come up with a statist command and control plan for anyone.
We are a republic, not the USSR.
Jenfidel on March 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM
I saw the interview with Chris Wallace, and when he said that his RomneyCare was “the ultimate conservative plan”, and then he said his plan is “very pro-life”, I winced and grimaced, then thought this may be Romney’s Waterloo.
That “pro-life” comment just hit the wrong nerve instantly, and the more I thought about what I just heard, the more cheesy and desperate it sounded to me. Especially given Romney’s particular history on the pro-life issue.
Bad, bad move Mitt.
Brian1972 on March 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Wouldn’t it have to be law before the matter could go to court? Not that it shouldn’t be challenged, this is an unfunded mandate directly imposed on the population…
Dark-Star on March 9, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Uhh…do you even understand the principles of federalism and the limitations the Constitution places on the federal government in telling the states what it can and can’t do!?
Conservative Samizdat on March 9, 2010 at 3:26 PM
I meant the individual mandate in Mass. I never realized they had one.
Rocks on March 9, 2010 at 3:27 PM
This is not a truthful statement.
BPD on March 9, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Instead of just saying its not a truthful statement…please demonstrate why its not truthful and back it up with facts.
Just saying its not truthful isn’t enough.
Conservative Samizdat on March 9, 2010 at 3:29 PM
The problem is, the country as a whole is quickly coming to the conclusion that Big Government whether at the State or Federal level, is bad for the economy and crushes the individual under the weight of the massive bureaucracy that becomes necessary to administer these “plans”.
What happens when the “experiment” goes bad?
The politicians come running to DC to get Congress to bail them out with OUR money. (see CA, NY, MA, MI, ect.)
Brian1972 on March 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Yes.
But even given the fact that we had that awful Civil War thingie, it’s clear that the feds will allow states to go a long way in error before they’ll step in because American citizens are being deprived of their right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
MittCare borders on this one, for sure.
And Rick Perry has threatened Texas secession rather than have our state submit to Obama’s dictates.
Some state things are in keeping with the spirit of the Union, others are not.
When CA or MA comes crawling to Washington because their state budgets are busted (due to their Socialist state programs), then we have a serious problem.
Jenfidel on March 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
I thought it was obvious. Obamacare does not implement a single-payer system. It subsidizes people (that make up to nearly 100k) to purchase private insurance, some of which will be regulated on an exchange. Your description of Romneycare is an apt description of Obamacare.
BPD on March 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
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