Sebelius changes her tune on Senate abortion funding; Update: A reminder on page 2071

posted at 12:55 pm on March 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The White House sent HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius onto the Sunday news shows to attempt to bolster efforts to get the nation behind the Senate version of ObamaCare. Sebelius tried to argue that there are no functional differences between the Senate and the earlier House versions regarding abortion funding, but that’s not what she told Morra Aarons-Mele from BlogHer in December, as the Senate prepared to vote on the bill. Life News catches the contradiction:

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius contradicted herself on abortion funding in the Senate health care bill in a Sunday interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” Sebelius applauded the Senate language before and talked about mandatory abortion fees, but now she claims there is no funding.

Sebelius also appeared to contradict herself within the interview, saying at one point that abortion funding is a part of the government-run health care bill. …

Yet, when she spoke with ABC’s “This Week” program yesterday, she said “Yes, abortion services are provided” under the Senate health care bill.

She tried to qualify her answer by adding, “people will pay out of their own pockets, in both the Senate and the House, but they do it in slightly different ways.”

But in an interview on December 21 with Morra Aarons-Mele of the pro-abortion web site BlogHer, Sebelius praised the Senate language that funds abortions and talked about how everyone would be forced to pay for them.

“And I would say that the Senate language, which was negotiated by Senators Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray, who are very strong defenders of women’s health services and choices for women, take a big step forward from where the House left it with the Stupak amendment, and I think do a good job making sure there are choices for women, making sure there are going to be some plan options [that pay for abortions],” Sebelius said then.

I’ve mashed together the segment from ABC’s This Week and Sebelius’ BlogHer interview, which was originally noted by Verum Serum. When discussing the Senate version back in December, Sebelius went out of her way to note the contrasting treatment given abortion between the two competing versions of the bill and emphasized that the Senate version would support abortion funding:

SEBELIUS: And I would say that the Senate language, which was negotiated by Senators Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray, who are very strong defenders of women’s health services and choices for women, take a big step forward from where the House left it with the Stupak amendment, and I think do a good job making sure there are choices for women, making sure there are going to be some plan options, and making sure that while public funds aren’t used, we are not isolating, discriminating against, or invading the privacy rights of women. That would be an accounting procedure, but everybody in the exchange would do the same thing, whether you’re male or female, whether you’re 75 or 25, you would all set aside a portion of your premium that would go into a fund, and it would not be earmarked for anything, it would be a separate account that everyone in the exchange would pay.

BLOGHER: It’s a bit confusing, but …

SEBELIUS: Okay. It is a bit confusing, but it’s really an accounting that would apply across the board and not just to women, and certainly not just to women who want to choose abortion coverage.

BLOGHER: Oh, that’s good, that’s good.

Which is it, Madame Secretary? Does the Senate language do exactly what the Stupak language does, or does it allow for federal funding of abortion?

Update: My Salem colleague Greg Hengler has an answer, which he finds on page 2071 of the Senate’s ObamaCare bill:


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Yeah, I watched that yesterday and tried not to yell at the TV. I failed.

toliver on March 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Oh! The tangled web they weave…..the truth wins out, eventually….they cannot hide the lies and misinformation, we have the capability to ferret out anything they say, and slap ‘em back in the face with it!!

BUSTED!!

RoxanneH on March 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Do you really think the Obama Administration is going to tell the American People the truth? They have told sooooo many lies to this point, I don’t think they even know what the TRUTH IS!

PappaMac on March 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Katherine Lie-belius

It’s not clever or anything, but it actually kinda works.

LibTired on March 8, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Lying leftist scum.

rplat on March 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM

So if the Senate language did basically the same thing as the Stupak language, there was no reason not to go with Stupak, then?

So why didn’t the Senate just stick with Stupak?

Wethal on March 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM

LIES! Pelosi did the same thing. They are resolute in their falsehoods. “Whatever it takes to pass the bill.” Disgusting.

conservative pilgrim on March 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Sounds like she’s confused or maybe just obfuscating. Was she lying then or is she lying now. Their heads are spinning faster then the spin coming out of their lying mouths.

Kissmygrits on March 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM

The problem with lying so much, one has to keep track of all the spinning, untruths, half-truths, and outright lies. Stick with the truth. You’ll always have the same story. And a clear conscience.

conservative pilgrim on March 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM

She lies.

jukin on March 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM

would apply across the board and not just to women, and certainly not just to women who want to choose abortion coverage.

Seems like it would make more sense if it only appled to those who actually wanted abortion coverage – call it a baby killing rider.

katiejane on March 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Kathleen, we ain’t in Kansas anymore.

Rocks on March 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Sebelius lies every time she opens her mouth. If she was honest she wouldn’t have been considered for this administration. The lies and desceptions are so fricking obvious they are an insult to the American electorate. The endocrination in the public school system is working.

volsense on March 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Well I’m sure she knows what she meant. You just misunderstood what she said when she meant it. Because, she didn’t mean what she said when she said it; she only means it now. Unless of course, if she’s misquoted.

Is that “Perfectly clear?” (“Perfectly Clear” is a registered TradeMark of the Obama Administration – except that no legal obligation is attached to anything outlined as being such).

GarandFan on March 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM

PappaMac on March 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Completely agree. Funny thing about lies…they get so tangled you finally lose your way in trying to keep it straight and get caught in the web they weave.

truetexan on March 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM

I’m convinced that Kathleen Sebelius is John Kerry in drag.

Exurban Jon on March 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius contradicted herself on abortion funding in the Senate health care bill in a Sunday interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Name me one, JUST ONE member of this Bozo-bucket Administration who has NOT contradicted themselves since they took power!

The audacity of this bunch just blows me away, and I don’t mean the Hope aspect either!

pilamaye on March 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM

The Internet rules.

This is what the Eugenics loving Progressives/Commie/Democrats didn’t count on….. the INTERNET.

The Internet is now where TRUE journalism reigns supreme.

ms on March 8, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Come on people, it’s pretty simple actually. You just aren’t smart enough to understand it remember? Geesh, get with the federally mandated program already.

/s

Johnnyreb on March 8, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Basic legal advice from lawyer to client (which works well in life generally, too): “Always tell the truth. It’s so easy to remember.’

Wethal on March 8, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Bu…bu…but…I just heard Democrat Debbie Dingle(berry) on
FOX say that Dems have done a bad job countering GOP lies about the bill…? No?

cartooner on March 8, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Do whatever it takes, Kathleen. Even if it means lying. You know….LIE! They’re all so dang good at it, aren’t they?

capejasmine on March 8, 2010 at 1:16 PM

She’s obviously lying about this issue, hoping someone can make Stupak sit down and shut up. She claimed yesterday that there is no functional difference between the Senate language and the Stupak language.

If that’s true then, you’ll accept Stupak won’t you Madame Secretary?

No, you won’t accept that? Gee, there must be a difference and the distinction must really be important to you if you’re willing to endanger the whole nationalization effort.

MTF on March 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM

It’s not JUST that they’re trying to shove a crap sandwich down our throats that we don’t want to eat.

It’s also the fact that they keep insisting it’s really a steak po-boy.

Part of the reason they’re in the hot water they’re in is because of the lies they’ve told. They have no more credibility.

HondaV65 on March 8, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Come on people, it’s pretty simple actually. You just aren’t smart enough to understand it remember? Geesh, get with the federally mandated program already.

/s

Johnnyreb on March 8, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I’m becoming increasingly convinved that the leftists in charge are hoping we really are stupid enough not to notice any of their lies and contradictions.

They underestimate the American people at their own peril. Most of us are a hell of a lot smarter than they are.

UltimateBob on March 8, 2010 at 1:19 PM

So she’s lying … again. This is all democrats do, they have to. If they told the truth about their agenda they’d be hounded out of the country.

darwin on March 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM

wasn’t she in a shower and threatned a senator or something like that? /sarc.

jbh45 on March 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM

They have no more credibility.

HondaV65 on March 8, 2010 at 1:19 PM

They had credibility at one point?

conservative pilgrim on March 8, 2010 at 1:22 PM

wasn’t she in a shower and threatned a senator or something like that? /sarc.

jbh45 on March 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Yes, she was wearing a towel and threatened to remove it if the Senator didn’t vote yes.

darwin on March 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM

The really sad thing is they probably think lying to us is OK, since we’re stupid and all and just need to be deceived into supporting something that is in our interest anyways. If we didn’t have voting rights they were frightened of they would have acted long ago.

David Shane on March 8, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Ed, Where is the post about Romney’s failure to distinguish between RomneyCare and ObamaCare on FOX News Sunday? Everyone who watched, knows that he took a beating. If this was Palin, you’d have a post up 15 minutes after the interview. I see you have a link to a story about her brother getting treated for a burned foot in Canada when she was 3 years old.

Come on Ed….

takeamericabackin10 on March 8, 2010 at 1:27 PM

So it looks like they want to pay for abortions for men too??? WTH is this coconut head talking about??

Wine_N_Dine on March 8, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Huge amounts of money to Planned Parenthood means abortion is funded.

rlwo2008 on March 8, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Sebelius is not very bright. Her claim to fame is she is BHO’s girl. In the Health Care Summit she simply gave a prepared statement and never said another word.

d1carter on March 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM

I put all the House members (the ones we need to swing on the health care vote) contact info into a video for reference
please call!

ginaswo on March 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Sebelius: “whatever you want the answer to be so that the bill passes……that’s my answer.”

olesparkie on March 8, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Once you tell one lie you’ve got to keep on lying. Problem is you eventually forget what you said during the first lie and the lie de jour ends up contradicting the first lie. Looks like that’s what happened to dear Kathleen. She obviously needs a staff person to keep track of her lies.

sdd on March 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM

This bunch will go down in history as American’s first Administration to govern completely underwater. They’re in so far over their heads, their backers have to use a bathysphere to visit them.

kingsjester on March 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Was I supposed to hear Benny Hill theme music while listening to her? Anyone else hear that?

Bishop on March 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM

The Obama administration warranty: My word is good for ninety days or until my next pronoucement, whichever comes first.

SKYFOX on March 8, 2010 at 1:34 PM

IF federally funded abortion WAS NOT in the bill – Planned Parenthood would be screaming from the rafters…..so, since we are not hearing from them, we must conclude that abortion funding is in the bill.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!

whatzit2u on March 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Katherine Lie-belius

It’s not clever or anything, but it actually kinda works.

LibTired on March 8, 2010 at 1:02 PM

What do you mean? That’s excellent.

BuckeyeSam on March 8, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Did the wind change?

Dark-Star on March 8, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Lying is the new black.

Monica on March 8, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Ed, Where is the post about Romney’s failure to distinguish between RomneyCare and ObamaCare on FOX News Sunday? Everyone who watched, knows that he took a beating. If this was Palin, you’d have a post up 15 minutes after the interview. I see you have a link to a story about her brother getting treated for a burned foot in Canada when she was 3 years old.

Come on Ed….

takeamericabackin10 on March 8, 2010

He might be working on a post for that. I’d hate to think he’s sucking up to Mitt and trying to protect him for some reason. Is that what you suspect?

SKYFOX on March 8, 2010 at 1:44 PM

I still don’t understand what woman would be planning on so many abortions that she’d purchase insurance for it. I would like to think that after one abortion, you make sure you never have to go through that again.

ctmom on March 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM

***
Adolph Hitler was very good at lying to the public about his “peaceful” intentions-and then meeting with his generals a few hours later to plan the next invasion.
***
How can you tell if a politician is lying? Watch their lips–if they are moving they are lying!
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on March 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM

It’s interesting to see this Administration’s blatant disregard for truth and their well-known extremist advocacy of abortion to the point of infanticide come back to bite them.

Retribution by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Though the mills of God grind slowly,
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience he stands waiting,
With exactness grinds he all.

INC on March 8, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I would like to think that after one abortion, you make sure you never have to go through that again.

ctmom on March 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Depends on the procedure. The book ‘Aborting Planned Parenthood’ (written using stolen documents) has some interesting insights on individual cases; some ladies definitely had a much nastier experience than others.

Dark-Star on March 8, 2010 at 1:51 PM

I’m so tired of abortion being mischaracterized (deliberately) as women’s “healthcare.” The procedure is almost never medically necessary. It’s an elective lifestyle choice — just like most cosmetic surgery. And just like taxpayers should not be forced to subsidize Johnny’s nosejob or Susie’s liposuction or Nancy’s Botox injections (even if the procedures might make them feel better about themselves), taxpayers also should not be forced to subsidize Jane’s abortion — especially when you consider that Jane’s unwanted pregnancy is most likely the result of her decision not to use inexpensive and widely available contraceptives.

AZCoyote on March 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Is that woman’s head about four inches wide? I think she’s an alien from another galaxy.

fogw on March 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM

When did Baghdad Bob take control of White House PR?

snaggletoothie on March 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Basic legal advice from lawyer to client (which works well in life generally, too): “Always tell the truth. It’s so easy to remember.’

Wethal on March 8, 2010 at 1:14 PM

W-

Sound advice and it might work for most people, but if somebody is already willing to murder the unborn, it might be hard for them to tell the truth about how they go about getting people who don’t believe in abortion to pay for it.

Lying is the only thing these people have left.

ConservativeTony on March 8, 2010 at 1:55 PM

…on page 2071 of the Senate’s ObamaCare bill…


2071??
My Bible doesn’t have that many pages!!

CurtZHP on March 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Ed, I truly like the Obamateurisms feature and there seems to be plenty of material. A ‘Lie of the Day’ is just lying (heh) there waiting for you though. The lies seem to be getting bolder, wilder and more frequent every day. Plus, you would not have to stop the feature after Teh Won is gone.

GnuBreed on March 8, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Where’s Jimbo3?

Whenever this topic comes up we get a good dose of lies about how the funding would never ever use federal dollars to pay for abortions because the Hyde amendment prohibits such things. Then follows a long discussion about accounting tricks that co-mingle funds in such a way that it would be impossible to track back the federal funding that does, in fact, pay for abortions.

I’d honestly like a real debate on healthcare reform but that isn’t going happen so long as this adminstration thinks we are too damned stupid and inattentive to not catch it when they make these clearly identifiable lies.

highhopes on March 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM

2071?? My Bible doesn’t have that many pages!!

CurtZHP on March 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Bet your Bible doesn’t have all the Obama quotes in red letters either.

highhopes on March 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM

These people are DISHONEST and they have serious problems with sanctity of life. It doesn’t matter what Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius stated. It’ is all just a means to an end. They have lost the confidence of the American people. They are not credible. They don’t speak to Americans, they speak down to them. That’s their shortcoming not the American People.

Sebelius can stand on her head with her hand over her heart, and swear with the other hand on a stack of bibles, I still wouldn’t believe anything she says.

Dr Evil on March 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM

Ed — thank you for the Update with the video from Real Action. That needs to be played on every news program (OK, so maybe only FOX would have the balls to run it) covering this story.

I hate these people with every fiber of my being.

D2Boston on March 8, 2010 at 2:14 PM

How do these creeps get away with lying like this. Where’s the press??

tommer74 on March 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Where’s the press??

Forget it. We’ve got Hot Air and the Internet.

The mainline press is dying and hopefully stiff in due course.

rickyricardo on March 8, 2010 at 2:19 PM

She would’ve known that the language was in there had she read the bill. They don’t read the bills so how can anyone expect them to know what’s in it?

Geez…..you guys expect way too much…..

Sponge on March 8, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Where’s Jimbo3?

Whenever this topic comes up we get a good dose of lies about how the funding would never ever use federal dollars to pay for abortions because the Hyde amendment prohibits such things. Then follows a long discussion about accounting tricks that co-mingle funds in such a way that it would be impossible to track back the federal funding that does, in fact, pay for abortions.

I’d honestly like a real debate on healthcare reform but that isn’t going happen so long as this adminstration thinks we are too damned stupid and inattentive to not catch it when they make these clearly identifiable lies.

highhopes on March 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM

-It doesn’t in my opinion, although there apparently is no prohibition (yet) on paying for abortions for American indians or on Community Health Services providing for abortions. Page 2071 says one plan must offer abortions, and one must not. Tax credits and deductions can’t be used in connection with abortion services for the plan that offers abortions, and my understanding is that people have to send in two checks for plans for abortion coverage. Right to Life is claiming those checks both become “government funding” when the government receives them. Look at Friday’s Wall Street Journal for more information.

Jimbo3 on March 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM

In direct contrast to February’s “conventional wisdom”–

Social conservatism is a vibrant, bipartisan springboard for retaking voters away from Obama Democrat supporters; and

A Republican House has immediate avenues of unilateral attack upon Obamacare, even if it passed before Republicans regain the House, and even if Republicans only have the House.

Kill the abortion funding. Demand the Senate kill abortion funding. Demand Obama sign a budget that kills abortion funding. The House CONTROLS that. The Senate and the President can’t originate funding bills. Put them on a grill and roast them publicly for their support for abortion funding as evil and unAmerican.

Chris_Balsz on March 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Desperado, why don’t you come to your senses?

chunderroad on March 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Are they that stupid, or do they think everyone else is?

joedoe on March 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Pants on fire! The lot of them.

Mason on March 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Where are the trolls?

barnone on March 8, 2010 at 3:38 PM

TO: The nation’s biggest celebrity Constitutional scholar

RE: Federal Funding for Abortions

YOU LIE!

ExpressoBold on March 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM

It’s like she thinks she’s still Governor in Kansas. She says one thing one minute and then says the exact opposite the next. No wonder ObowMao appointed her, their the same kind of people.

Blacksmith8 on March 8, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Lying leftist scum.

rplat on March 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Um, excuse me, you’re being overly redundant. OR:
Triple word score!!!

Blacksmith8 on March 8, 2010 at 4:19 PM

A Republican House has immediate avenues of unilateral attack upon Obamacare, even if it passed before Republicans regain the House, and even if Republicans only have the House.

Kill the abortion funding. Demand the Senate kill abortion funding. Demand Obama sign a budget that kills abortion funding. The House CONTROLS that. The Senate and the President can’t originate funding bills. Put them on a grill and roast them publicly for their support for abortion funding as evil and unAmerican.

Chris_Balsz on March 8, 2010 at 3:03 PM

That would be rich. FutureView of 1/7/2011:
Bamster is looking at the 2 page bill just sent to the Senate with an info copy to the White house. “GIBBS! This is the second time in two days the HOUSE OF NO has sent me a bill that takes away Acorn, Planned Parenthood and all SEIU funding! What do they think I’m going to do? I’ll never sign this.”
 
Hey ObowMao! That’s exactly what we’re all counting on.

Blacksmith8 on March 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM

They’re all liar’s, aren’t they.

paul1149 on March 8, 2010 at 4:59 PM

It looks like the argument they are trying to make about the Senate Bill and public funding of abortions boils down to: “The government gives money to (poor) women, who then use it to buy abortions. Since the person, not the government, decided on how to spend the money, VOILA – there is NO federal funding of abortions!”

Sounds an awful lot like a similar argument that the libs scream blood murder about. “Vouchers! – The government gives parents money to educate their kids. The parents decide to spend that money sending their kid to a private religious school – ACK!! SQUAWK!! – THAT’S GOVERNMENT FUNDING OF RELIGION IN VIOLATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE!!1!!!11.”

So which is it, you funnel money through people, is it government funding or not? Can’t have it both ways (unless you are an Obamanut who can’t see the obvious).

Fatal on March 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Abort ObamaCare

J_Crater on March 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM