Quotes of the day
posted at 10:35 pm on March 8, 2010 by Allahpundit
“Then there is that ever-important variable, time.
“In the scenario best for the Democrats, the Tea Party peaked with Mr. Brown’s election, and Democrats have time to recover. ‘We’ve had our ’94 wake-up call,’ Mr. Greenberg said. ‘We may look back and say they played this out a year early.’…
“And then there is the skeptical view, which, like Mr. Cook, sees only the mounting problems: stubborn unemployment, a paralyzed Washington, the drip-drip of scandal and high unfavorability ratings.
“‘There’s more time for things to change,’ he said, ‘but there’s more time for things to snowball.’
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“A thrashing of the Democrats in the mid-terms would not necessarily be the beginning of the end for Mr Obama: Bill Clinton was re-elected two years after the Republicans swept the House and the Senate in November 1994. But Mr Clinton was an operator in a way Mr Obama patently is not. His lack of experience, his dependence on rhetoric rather than action, his disconnection from the lives of many millions of Americans all handicap him heavily. It is not about whose advice he is taking: it is about him grasping what is wrong with America, and finding the will to put it right. That wasted first year, however, is another boulder hanging from his neck: what is wrong needs time to put right. The country’s multi-trillion dollar debt is barely being addressed; and a country engaged in costly foreign wars has a President who seems obsessed with anything but foreign policy – as a disregarded Britain is beginning to realise.
“There are lessons from the stumbling of Mr Obama for our own country as we approach a general election. Vacuous promises of change are hostages to fortune if they cannot be delivered upon to improve the living conditions of a people. The slickness of campaigning that comes from a combination of heavy funding and public relations expertise does not inevitably translate into an ability to govern. There is no point a nation’s having the audacity of hope unless it also has the sophistication and the will to turn it into action. As things stand, Barack Obama and America under his leadership do not.”
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“A Republican on Capitol Hill points out that we’re going through a health care press coverage time warp. In each of the following four headline pairs, one is from this morning. The other is from last year. See if you can guess which is which.”
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FloatingRock,
Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs has a post about Beck and Wilder.
You may be interested in it. She also has a link to an interview that Beck did with Wilder last year and says,
INC on March 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Here’s the clip.
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 12:46 AM
I see that you see what I see.
Keep the hits coming nonetheless, our soldier with the bloody wicked pen.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 12:48 AM
Re: Beck and Geert Wilders.
I’m afraid Beck has been poisoned by so-called “conservatives” across the pond regarding Mr. Geert Wilders. Wilders is generally hated by liberals and conservatives over there, and Beck’s association with Daniel Hannan, who is frequently a Beck guest and who also detests Geert Wilders, probably influenced him against the Dutchman.
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 12:49 AM
When, where; was it todays News Hour panel?
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 12:49 AM
I haven’t watched Beck today yet, but this might make me pay special attention .
IIRC, didn’t Beck introduce Geert Wilder to US when he worked @ CNN ? He even had him as a guest and announced Fitna’s premiere on LiveLeak..
Its just another step in the “talalification” of FNS, slow boil and all.
I stopped watching BillO when he started calling conservatives ‘kooks, nuts, extreme right, bigots, hateful’etc while bringing in an admitted proud and proven racist hatemonger on his so-called “fair and balanced” show on a regular basis.
I know Bill0 is salivating for an interview with Hussain.
What is Beck salivating for?
Beck can just cover the topics he wants to cover , why does he have to bringup Wilders ( or anyone else) just to malign them ?
macncheez on March 9, 2010 at 12:49 AM
In 1982 President Reagan came to the House of Commons, where he did a speech very few people liked. Reagan called upon the West to reject communism and defend freedom. He introduced a phrase: ‘evil empire’. Reagan’s speech stands out as a clarion call to preserve our liberties. I quote: If history teaches anything, it teaches self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly.
What Reagan meant is that you cannot run away from history, you cannot escape the dangers of ideologies that are out to destroy you. Denial is no option.
Communism was indeed left on the ash heap of history, just as Reagan predicted in his speech in the House of Commons. He lived to see the Berlin Wall coming down, just as Churchill witnessed the implosion of national-socialism.
Today, I come before you to warn of another great threat. It is called Islam. It poses as a religion, but its goals are very worldly: world domination, holy war, sharia law, the end of the separation of church and state, the end of democracy. It is not a religion, it is a political ideology. It demands your respect, but has no respect for you.
Ladies and gentlemen, the dearest of our many freedoms is under attack. In Europe, freedom of speech is no longer a given. What we once considered a natural component of our existence is now something we again have to fight for. That is what is at stake. Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most pressing issue. The question is: Will free speech be put behind bars?
We have to defend freedom of speech.
We will never apologize for being free. We will never give in. We will never surrender.
Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.
Thank you very much.
Geert Wilders MP, Chairman, Party for Freedom (PVV)
HalJordan on March 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Are you sure? I watched the “panel” on “Special Report”. Are you referring to the “All Star Panel” on Hannity’s show?
betsyz on March 9, 2010 at 12:54 AM
Pamela Geller. Can’t go there any more…too sick with truth, substance, observations, and wisdom. I just want to hide right now and pretend, like the rest of our country appears to want to do.
betsyz on March 9, 2010 at 12:57 AM
I just watched the clips w/Beck. Sad.
Glenn needs to look back a little bit further than the 20th century if he is going to comment accurately on this subject. Slow the fxxx down, Glenn, and do your homework before you spout off next time.
Because a bunch of hard left British rags call Wilders a Fascist doesn’t make it so. Beck, you need to rein yourself in, or you will lose your “voice” due to lack of credibility. Get your facts straight before you start lobbing grenades.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:04 AM
P.S.
Thanks for the links, Floating Rock and INC.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:06 AM
I thought he was trying to establish himself as a centrist by contrasting himself with Wilders out of ignorance, but according INC, Pam and yourself, he doesn’t have ignorance as an excuse. Maybe Atheling is correct that he’s been poisoned against Wilders by Daniel Hannan…. Or maybe it actually does have something to do with Fox News’ ownership.
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 1:07 AM
You’re welcome!
Believe me, I understand. We need down time to cope with the onslaught or we burn out. Don’t be discouraged, just take a break for a while–read a novel, watch a movie, talk to a friend. ( http://icanhascheezburger.com/ is a good sanity break of laughter).
INC on March 9, 2010 at 1:16 AM
We’ve talked a long time about health care reform, THEREFORE you now have to pass it?
Is this guy really that stupid, or does he just have that much contempt for our intelligence?
greggriffith on March 9, 2010 at 1:17 AM
Charles Johnson is almost orgasmic that his new found friend Glenn Beck has called Geert Wildsers a fascist. Gentleman Chuckie also called Pamela Geller a “shrieking harpy”. All the Lizards agree, of course, and tell Fuhrer Charles that he is such a brilliant boy, or else they get sent to the cornfield.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 1:17 AM
Thanks for that!
INC on March 9, 2010 at 1:18 AM
I feel quite certain of it. I read Hannan’s blog regularly, and he gets pounded by his readers for his consistent disdain and dislike for “Muslim-obsessed” Geert Wilders. Hannan, who is a good guy, has a real and visceral dislike for Wilders. Every time he mentions him, he invariably uses the words, “obnoxious” and “asinine”. Hannan is also a Muslim sympathizer. Read his blog over a period of time. He’s one of the many pols in Europe who has his head in the sand when it comes to Islam. And he catches hell for it from his readers, too.
Hannan is a regular guest on FOX. I would not be surprised that he has influenced opinion over there against Wilders. He is a connection between FOX and European pols.
I suppose I could ask Hannan on his blog. Don’t know if he’ll respond, though. If he does, I’ll let you all know.
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 1:18 AM
Admittedly I don’t know much about Hannan outside of what I’ve heard of him on Fox and on the talk shows. He sounds like one of ours; why does he detest Wilders so? If any country should be alarmed at the rate at which the Muslims are taking it over, it ought to be Britain. Is Hannan not concerned by this?
Beck demonstrated today he knows there is a big difference between out Left and Right and Europe’s so I am not sure why he is being so hard on Wilders, unless it’s what you say (or he’s getting an edict from higher up). If that is what it is, he’s revealing himself to be pretty weak-minded which disappoints me. Wilders seems like he’d fit in a whole lot better with our conservatives than he does with those in Europe. I was in Paris in the fall of 2005 when those riots broke. Lemme tell ya, this is serious business. Wilders seems to me the only one who recognizes this fact.
NoLeftTurn on March 9, 2010 at 1:19 AM
Really?
Who’s going to do the revoluting?
As more and more Americans (including hard working conservatives) go on the government rolls in order to support themselves and their families they’ll simply become more cowed by Washington. Who in their right mind would revolt against the nice guvernment folks handing out cheese, bottled water and MREs at the head of the line up there off the back of the camouflaged 5 ton truck?
Anyone “revolting” around me and endangering my family and property stands to get shot. I can’t tell the difference between a looter and a Patriot at 2 A.M.
Dr. ZhivBlago on March 9, 2010 at 1:19 AM
Re: Beck and Wilders
This is a tempest in a teapot, and Pam is stirring it.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/08/glenn-beck-on-massa-this-is-a-moment-that-will-decide-the-course-of-this-nation-possibly/comment-page-2/#comment-3340395
Pam, God bless her, is a fantastic watchman against the spread of militant Islam — but I think she’s misreading Beck’s comments here. Granted, that section of his monologue was sloppy, but he doesn’t call Wilders or Villepin fascists. They’re just examples of how the political right is also on the rise in Europe — a subject that he then examines more closely by showing how “left” and “right” in Europe are different than “left” and “right” here.
The issue isn’t Villepin or Wilders per se, and this is where I think Pam errs.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 1:24 AM
When Beck was at CNN, he chose a hard charge to the right. Now that he’s established at Fox, and sold a bazillion books, it seems he’s intent on establishing his centrist, middle-of-the-road bona fides.
I call bullshit.
I don’t know if he’s starting to put too much credence in the criticism from the media elites that he mocks so effectively, or if he is, as he says, a clown (and nothing more)… time will tell.
Either way, if he doesn’t think that Islam is the enemy of us all, whether left, right, center, or some cheesy blend, then he is sadly ill-informed.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:25 AM
Hannan is a strong fiscal conservative, libertarian-type pol. He is for small, more localized government, restrained spending, and private enterprise. He’s solid on all that. But when it comes to other issues, like national security, immigration and terrorism, he’s CLUELESS. He pretends terrorism doesn’t even exist, he thinks any criticism of Islam is bigotry, and wants to practice some kind of isolationism. In fact, Hannan is a lot like Ron Paul without the anti-Semitism.
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 1:26 AM
I am urging all Zionist and Christian forces who are working with Geert Wilders against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah to submit immediately.
Otherwise, we will hold them responsible for their actions. Any attempt to fight the Islamic Holy forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to putting all of the world under our jurisdiction.
You cannot commit blasphemy and act against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah. Any individual or group that tries to fight the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will be destroyed. The Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will overcome Geert Wilders and the Zionist and Christian infidels and their Hotair stooges.
Allah willing.
The great dream of Islam will come true. Muslims dream to see flags that read: “There is no God but Allah” fluttering in the wind over Big Ben, Buckingham Palace, Parliament Hill in Ottawa, the White House in Satan America, the Hague in the Netherlands, Hotair, and Fox News.
Allah willing.
Aleph on March 9, 2010 at 1:28 AM
Oh, and Hannan won’t disavow Glowbull Warming, despite the AGW Scandal. He just shrugs it off.
Now, I like the guy very much – he is affable, erudite and a pleasure to read. But he is, like Barack Obama, an ivory tower intellectual. Well, at least Hannan is a real intellectual, but he is not very practical and while he is a good policy wonk for economics and government, he is a disaster regarding real statesmanship. I have read his blog for over a year now, but he is still a European pol – the best of the best there – but much too squishy for American conservatives.
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 1:31 AM
Please. You’re talking about the guy who devoted an entire show to an exposé on radical Islam. Beck knows the score on Islam.
It just so happens that the domestic radicals are a much larger and far more imminent threat to America than the foreign/Islamic ones at the moment.
Rome wasn’t conquered from without until it had already rotted from within. If America falls, it will be the same way. Priorities.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 1:32 AM
Lol. Allahu Snackbar!
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 1:32 AM
How come this thing is still threatening us around ?
Allah ? Ed ?
macncheez on March 9, 2010 at 1:33 AM
Oh come on, let him stay. Adds some levity to the thread.
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 1:34 AM
Not outright, but the implication was there. If it was just “sloppy” pontificating, then a clarification is in order. (and on the same forum, not just a blurb on his radio show.)
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Which makes his ill-founded insinuations about Wilders even more bewildering.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:38 AM
A satirical reminder of what jihad represents is not a bad thing.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:39 AM
The radicals in islam are the apostates. Beck is either ignorant or a pretender or now serving his Saudi master stakeholder Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal at Fox.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 1:41 AM
O/T
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From: http://op-for.com/
Pat Lang at Sic Semper Tyrannis has had a very interesting discussion on the relief by the Navy of Captain Holly Graf as Commanding Officer of the USS Cowpens. There are several embedded links in the Sic Semper Tyrannis I would suggest all to follow those as they paint a very disturbing picture of life under her command
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Besids being a potty-mouth,it was rumoured,she was also
drag racing against another frigate!!!!
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Bligh, Queeg and Graf
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Scroll down halfway for the near collision drag pictures!!
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canopfor on March 9, 2010 at 1:41 AM
Hahaha, you’re cute. Thanks for pointing out that “Allah” is a proper name and not synonymous with the deity the Jews and the Christians worship, called (respectively) “Hashem” and “Father”.
Y’all are in for a rude awakening when Isa comes back.
Wait — how does one erect a flag over a website? What wind will flutter a flag planted over HotAir.com? The digital aether?
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 1:42 AM
Silence infidel dog!
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up to the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on March 9, 2010 at 1:43 AM
You left out the ending:
Mmmm mmmm mmmm.
Infidel.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 1:47 AM
+1,000,000,000,000
gary4205 on March 9, 2010 at 1:47 AM
OT on my favorite subject: While you’re going on and on about Beck’s possible mis-characterization of Wilders, confusing De Villepin with Le Pen was even more embarrassing. In the case of Wilders, Beck is just following conventional wisdom – though he was also using the same tactics of “painting a picture” in half-truths that he uses on other subjects. Identifiy De Villepin with the “fascist right” is just pathetic. DV is a on the right, like Chirac, but is a mainstream politician. If anti-Muslim fervor sweeps Europe, he may be taken up in it like a lot of mainstream politicians – who knows? – but GB comes across like real amateur on this subject.
CK MacLeod on March 9, 2010 at 1:48 AM
We have almost converted our new brother Beck. If our next step is successful, Allah willing, he will storm Hotair wearing a clown suit with a hidden suicide belt.
Aleph on March 9, 2010 at 1:51 AM
Pamela Geller was right to call Beck out on this. We can only hope that he doesn’t do any damage to the freedom movement in Europe by smearing freedom fighters like Wilders.
Oh, and incidentally, when the post is about one thing and the overwhelming majority of comments are about another, it’s an indication that an adjustment in the focus and priorities of the blog may be in order — that is, if it wants to address what people are really concerned about.
But in any case there is always AtlasShrugs.com, and JihadWatch.org.
Robert Spencer on March 9, 2010 at 1:51 AM
Pwned! +1000
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 1:53 AM
Oh hell, it gets better!
What the hell DeMint? Couldn’t remember Pawlenty’s name?
If a supposed “conservative” is pushing Willard, Daniels, and Bush, we are so SCREWED!
gary4205 on March 9, 2010 at 1:55 AM
Fatima’s f@rts will work
macncheez on March 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM
…which is Beck’s normal modus operandi. Right.
Are you talking about his half-truth picture of Van Jones? Or maybe ACORN?
I agree with your point about Villepin, but speaking of broad brushes, what is your point about Beck?
I am not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet. Time will tell whether Beck is sincere, or sincerely a publicity-seeking whore, or “finding himself” or whatever. I am withholding judgment at this point.
He has brought attention from ordinary Americans to things that were previously out of their scope of interest. For this I thank him, whatever his motives.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:01 AM
Beck should just stick to national politics; I think he is out of his depth with international politics.
atheling on March 9, 2010 at 2:04 AM
After his preliminary apologizing ,which must be done in a prone prostrated position, Robert Spencer must denounce the crusades and all disbeliever attacks on the Prophet, Peace be upon Him. He must also endorse all the righteous Islamic courts, including their application of divine Sharia blasphemy laws. He must also throw the full support of his blog behind the U.N. resolution passed in December prohibiting defamation of Islam including making such defamation a crime under international law and turn over to us any such criminals such as Geert Wilders, Pamela Geller, Diana West, the Pope and Thomas Jefferson that he conspires with against the Religion of Peace.
Aleph on March 9, 2010 at 2:04 AM
I miss your “Blogging the Quran” series here, but I have followed you on JihadWatch since your disappearance.
Thank you, sir, for your scholarship, your dedication, and your vigilance.
In defense of HotAir, these late-night QOTD threads are famous for veering into strange and unknown territory, and sometimes onto something even important.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:07 AM
Isn’t it surprising that once AGW was busted to be a fraud and a scam,
we never got to see Lord Monckton on Beck’s show ?
macncheez on March 9, 2010 at 2:09 AM
Oh, every Judas once loved a Jesus
But oh betrayal may seize us
You may end up in hell
If principles you sell
Caught in the middle
Of a dangerous riddle
There may come a day when Beck trades his soul away!
PercyB on March 9, 2010 at 2:10 AM
Good luck with that.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:11 AM
Hillbilly Jim:
“I miss your “Blogging the Quran” series here, but I have followed you on JihadWatch since your disappearance.”
Thanks, but I didn’t disappear. I was disappeared. You know, like in the old Soviet Union.
Robert Spencer on March 9, 2010 at 2:15 AM
We’re all mad here. I’m mad. Your mad. If we weren’t all mad we wouldn’t be here.
Cheshire Cat on March 9, 2010 at 2:15 AM
Sent to the cornfield.
Cheshire Cat on March 9, 2010 at 2:17 AM
The militant “radicals” in Islam are hardly apostates, for several reasons. Here’s two of them: (1) I have yet to see (pls correct if I’m wrong) any authoritative council of Islamic clergy denounce militant jihadism and formally declare it to be a heresy and its practitioners apostates; and (2) apostacy is punishable by death under Sharia, and the Muslims aren’t a bit shy about making sure their religious obligation is fulfilled.
That the militants in Sharia countries aren’t killed as apostates is pretty good evidence to me that taking the fight to the infidels and the Zionists is a legit part of Islam. [esp. per suras 8 & 9]
As far as Beck being some kind of a crypto Saudi servant…come on. Why not claim he’s a top-level Illuminatus specializing in propaganda, with a gold pass membership in the Bilderbergers?
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 2:19 AM
Aleph:
What are you, Beck’s producer?
Robert Spencer on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 AM
I missed that; I have had an off-and-on relationship with my computer since my father was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s…hard to keep up with all the goings on.
In the words of somebody, WTF?
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:22 AM
Hillbilly Jim:
There was nothing to miss. Nothing was said. That was my point. I was just disappeared. Here one day, gone the next, with no explanation deemed necessary by the high command. After all, who cares about resisting jihad? Charles Johnson and Glenn Beck say resistance is fascist.
Robert Spencer on March 9, 2010 at 2:24 AM
Hayfields aren’t the only useful place for pitchforks.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:27 AM
I had to check the date on the Barry clip. I was from today but it could have been from 4 months ago. We get it Barry, we just reject it.
Mallard T. Drake on March 9, 2010 at 2:27 AM
Beck could learn a lesson from you. If he doesn’t soon, he’s not going to have any credibility left at all.
CK MacLeod on March 9, 2010 at 2:28 AM
Robert tried to warn them
But they held their PC noses up high
All the time he warned them
But they only passed him by
He tried to tell them
But I guess they didn’t care
They turned their backs and
Left him standing there
All the destroyed parts of the world that are falling under Islam
All the lonely feelings and the burning memories
Everything Islam kills each time it closes a freedom door
Destroyed parts of the world lost forevermore
They tried to silence him a while ago
When he saw how much they needed him he didn’t really want to go
The world the enlightened gave to us
Islam is just tearing it all away
Now there’s nothing left to say
All the destroyed parts of the world that are falling under islam
All the lonely feelings and the burning memories
Everything Islam kills each time it closes a freedom door
Destroyed parts of the world lost forevermore
When years have passed they’ll start thinking
What fools they’ve been
They’ll look back into the past and
Think of way back then
They’ll know that the world lost everything they thought that it could win
I guess they should have listened to their friends
All the destroyed parts of the world that are falling under islam
All the lonely feelings and the burning memories
Everything Islam kills each time it closes a freedom door
Destroyed parts of the world lost forevermore
Destroyed parts of the world lost forevermore …
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 2:29 AM
Did you see me suggest that a clarification was not in order? No. I see this as a misunderstanding and expect him to clear up the point tomorrow.
But again: the focus was not Villepin or Wilders. They were entirely incidental to his message re: Europe & total government.
As far as the forum in which Beck corrects the matter: his tv show audience is over 3 million, his radio show audience is over 9 million. In which format would he be getting the word out to more people, hmm?
Ideally, he would do it in both and he usually does. I was simply anticipating that he would want to do it first thing, and that tomorrow’s interview with Massa would preclude anything more than a superficial correction.
[shrug] We’ll see.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 2:36 AM
That is a shame, and a travesty. It is all the more startling remembering the excellent interview you did for VENT way back when… that was when I first started becoming interested in learning more about the actual words and meaning of the Sacred Playbook of Mo.
I speak only for myself, yet I feel sure when I say: Most of us.
Some people will say, or do, anything, if they deem it in their self-interest (mistakenly or no).
Thank you for your time and attention. I have been a fan of your writing since Michelle first introduced you here. It seems that Ojesus ain’t gotta monopoly on throwin’ people under the bus.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:39 AM
Robert, libel is beneath you.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 2:44 AM
One might as well have back during WWII talked about militant “radicals’ in Nazism.
The apostates, like Ibn Warraq, are the radicals in islam. The “militants”, and their facilitators, are, like Islam’s “Perfect man”, Mohammad, the fundamental islam.
A major stakeholder in Fox is Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. I don’t think he is from Kansas, Dorthy.
Because that would be silly and that’s Becks shtick.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 2:45 AM
I’d say you’re right, that GB will clarify on both his venues. If he doesn’t, he’s not as smart as I believe he is.
It does matter, though, which venue, if not both; for the audience content is much different betwixt the two.
I understand the context; nonetheless, he gave ammunition to those who will gladly use it to besmirch Geert Wilders, a strong warrior for free speech and for common sense.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:45 AM
Dude, obviously hyperbole is
beneath youover your head.hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:48 AM
It’s too true to be libel. If you want libel, see Glenn Beck on marking Geert Wilders as fascist and Charles Johnson as calling just about everyone who doesn’t goose step to his world view a fascist.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM
If you want to know if Glenn Beck is smart just ask him. If he says he is smart then you know he is an idiot.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 2:51 AM
I like to think of brother Glenn as being Islam’s, how you infidels say? – b-i-t-c-h?
Aleph on March 9, 2010 at 2:58 AM
I was expecting him to clear up his misquote of George Washington today, (although others expressed skepticism yesterday since he apparently hasn’t corrected other misquotes of the founding fathers he’s made in the past), and they were right, he didn’t make a correction.
I don’t listen to his radio show. He made the allegation against Wilders on his TV show, which is were I saw it, and if he fails to make a clarification on his TV show I will naturally assume he meant what he said.
I seem to recall on several occasions Beck encouraging his audience to point out when he’s wrong, that he’s willing to admit his mistakes—but right now I have my doubts. He hasn’t yet admitted that he’s misquoted Washington. It may have been an honest mistake on his part but it was still wrong and warrants a correction in the same venue(s).
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 2:59 AM
I’m literally laughing out loud. (But what if he says he’s an idjit? Then he’s a stopped clock!)
Yeah, Beck’s a piece of work. He’s damn sure clever, and like a circus barker, he can read a crowd; but I think he’s too clever by half this time.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:00 AM
Beck’s misquoting the Founding Fathers puts him on very thin ice alright. If I ever find out he has misquoted Mark Twain, Groucho or Fred Sanford, I’ll put a flame thrower to the ice myself.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:04 AM
(a) I wasn’t talking to you. If I had been, I’d have said “MB4″ and not “Robert”.
(b) Beck never said Wilders was a fascist. What he said was sloppy and a little rambling, and as a result ambiguous enough for people to easily misinterpret it. That’s why I’m saying we should wait for clarification before condemnation. And it’s the last time I’m saying it.
(c) Making a moral equivalence between the despicable Charles Johnson (whose history is long) and Glenn Beck based on one small, borderline-coherent section of Beck’s monologue is not only a logical fallacy, it’s a smear of Beck’s character.
And it is beneath the dignity and character of so thoughtful a man as Robert Spencer.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM
I’d say you’re right, that GB will clarify on both his venues. If he doesn’t, he’s not as smart as I believe he is.It does matter, though, which venue, if not both; for the audience content is much different betwixt the two.
I understand the context; nonetheless, he gave ammunition to those who will gladly use it to besmirch Geert Wilders, a strong warrior for free speech and for common sense.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 2:45 AM
Agreed.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:06 AM
One of Murphy’s laws may be close on his heels, I believe.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:07 AM
Oops…that strike should’ve been a quote. The buttons are too close.
HA needs an edit function!
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:07 AM
I assure you that it’s not.
Nor was I talking to you there, either.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:09 AM
You have a very odd view of the format of this blog if you think anyone needs a RSVP from you in order to make a comment.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:11 AM
I hope he doesn’t end up with Murphy Brown’s heels (on his feet or up his tater patch).
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:12 AM
His character has already been established and now we are just negotiating over price.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:16 AM
Nawwwww. Really? Well hell, I don’t give a flip.
We all know we’re all talking to a group, no?
Shocker, that.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:17 AM
Assuming he knows about the misquotes, you’re absolutely right that he should correct them.
The best way to ensure he knows about them is for people to call his radio show and ask him on the air to correct them.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:18 AM
False. We’re all talking publicly. Some comments are general, others are directed specifically, usually by addressing the person by name.
I recommend learning the distinction. I couldn’t care less whether you ever do.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:22 AM
For me it was Jihad Watch that introduced me to HotAir. I was a JW reader since it was relatively young. But, as much of a fan I am of Jihad Watch, I have to admit that I wasn’t as interested in learning the Koran chapter by chapter as I was in keeping myself appraised of terrorism related news and analysis.
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 3:22 AM
I find Glenn Beck very educating on Islam and just whom is a fascist. Every time somebody turns on the set with him on, I go into the other room and read one of Robert Spencer’s books.
- Groucho
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:24 AM
Harpazo, here’s a piece of irony for ya.
Remember you whining about people responding to comments that you didn’t direct to them?
Which comment were you responding to?
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:25 AM
We must all assume that Robert RSVP’ed him by private email and asked for his viewpoint.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:28 AM
Another good article by Thomas Sowell reminding us again about a tail can be called a leg, but that doesn’t make it a leg.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/03/09/stimulus_or_sedative_104693.html
Americannodash on March 9, 2010 at 3:31 AM
That’s not what I said. I made a specific comment to a specific person; you decided to answer it as if it were personally addressed to you. I occasionally find that rude.
And I have no problem with the format…I’ve been rocking online fora in one mode or another since BBSes were the hot new thing.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:32 AM
There are no rules here, nor etiquette, that prevents anybody from responding to somebody else. Every comment is fair game.
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 3:33 AM
Um, why were you responding to Dr. Spencer’s comment “directed specifically” to um…not you?
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:34 AM
:)
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 3:36 AM
OK, finally saw the GB show (yesterday’s) with the criticism of GW (maybe criticism isn’t the right word). I agree with some of the others here that he definitely lumped Wilders in the wrong category. I wouldn’t call Wilders a fascists… He seems to have embraced certain elements of libertarianism and some conservatism… but he doesn’t appear to be one of those fascists that Beck has attempted to educate America about.
ALSO, we shall see what happens with Massa. Sure, he should be listened to, but don’t trust him, Beck. Actually, though, I have to remember that Beck has called out some people on his show before… Let’s see. Again, we should have an open thread for Massa/Beck.
To recap on Beck, I’m going with atheling here… Beck should be careful about covering international politics. He should cover them, just REALLY, REALLY cover your bases.
As for Wilder, well, I’m not banking on anything with this guy… He’s not a fascists, but I’m not about to get in bed with any European politicians – same goes for Hannan.
MeatHeadinCA on March 9, 2010 at 3:38 AM
I assumed so, since he’s all, er… proper and shit on all of his various and sundry fora.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:40 AM
I did not answer it as if it were addressed personally to me. I responded to it because I thought you were full of it with your accusation.
I more than occasionally find such whining a bore. Perhaps if you went next door and borrowed some Grey Poupon from your neighbors, the Kerry’s, you would feel better.
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:40 AM
Yes, I know he was talking to you. I was directing a comment to Mr. Spencer on my own initiative and to begin a new line of dialogue. If he had told me to butt out, I would have.
Either way, I didn’t presume to answer for you like MB4 did for him at 2:49.
Harpazo on March 9, 2010 at 3:41 AM
I wouldn’t have. I would have done just the opposite.
At any rate, this is all much ado about nothing because it wasn’t “libel” anyway. Not even remotely.
FloatingRock on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 AM
Enough.
Apologies for straying so far off topic. G’night all.
hillbillyjim on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 AM
I make up my opinions from facts and reasoning, and not to suit anybody but myself. If people don’t like my opinions, it makes little difference as I don’t solicit their opinions nor their votes.
- William Tecumseh Sherman
MB4 on March 9, 2010 at 3:47 AM
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