Where to try Gadahn?

posted at 3:30 pm on March 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

With the news of Adam Gadahn’s capture in Pakistan mostly confirmed, an interesting question has arisen, both on Twitter and in the blogosphere.  Where should the Obama administration try Gadahn?  The White House will apparently reverse Eric Holder’s decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other 9/11 conspirators in federal court, but can they also try Gadahn by military commission?  And should they, if so?

It depends at least in part on what charges the US levies against Gadahn.  Theoretically, they could charge him with terrorist activity abroad, charges that a military commission could adjudicate.  However, the evidence that Gadahn himself committed or facilitated actual terrorist acts may not be terribly convincing, nor is that what made Gadahn notorious in the first place.  He’s been more of a Lord Haw Haw, a propagandist reportedly not terribly well liked or trusted by his own side.  CNN talked a bit about that today in its reporting, wondering if the Taliban secretly arranged to have the ISI take him off their hands.

Besides, the US already has an indictment against Gadahn for treason, from 2006.  That indictment would require a federal trial to adjudicate, putting aside the enormously dangerous precedent of using military commissions to try American citizens.  The path of least resistance in this case would appear to also be the appropriate path — and it won’t take much effort to prove treason in this case.  Gadahn’s latest missive in urging Muslim soldiers in America to attack troops was released just as news of his capture hit the wires, and his years-long track record of giving aid, comfort, and more to the American enemy al-Qaeda should make this a rather easy win for the Obama administration in federal court.  Gadahn will be the first American tried for treason in almost 60 years, but all that means is that the winning percentage will improve.

Let Gadahn face his existing indictment, after intelligence experts get done interrogating him.  Treason carries the death penalty, and that should satisfy everyone.

Update: Rick Moran wonders if we’ll even get the chance to try him, given Pakistan’s refusal to extradite captured terrorists.  This case would be different, I’d guess, since Gadahn is an American citizen.

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Well, maybe not him, but I can live with that.

They’ll make a martyr of him no matter what, unfortunately…but I don’t think there’s anything that can be done about that.

Bob's Kid on March 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Where to try Gadahn?

Hell! Let’s not waste any money on him (except for the bullet).

Tommy_G on March 7, 2010 at 3:34 PM

If I’m not mistaken, treason is always tried in federal court. The actul question should be, “Where will the hanging be performed?” (And how much are tickets?)

Harpoon on March 7, 2010 at 3:34 PM

US District Court for Central California, where he’s been charged.

KillerKane on March 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM

he is an American citizen who has already been indicted for treason, so federal criminal court would be the prevailing jurisdiction.

Willie on March 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM

<blockquoteLet Gadahn face his existing indictment, after intelligence experts get done interrogating him. Treason carries the death penalty, and that should satisfy everyone.

He’s a hero of the left…he’ll get off relatively easily. When was the last death sentence carried out for treason in the US? I predict a book deal, fawning movie and he’ll be a ‘Michael Moore’ millionaire in to time.

AUINSC on March 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Treason carries the death penalty yes, but isn’t it ONLY during a period of “Declared” war???

Swinehound on March 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Harpoon on March 7, 2010 at 3:34 PM

At the Federal Penitentiary in Terre Haute.

Tommy_G on March 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Let Pakistan put him to death.

Preferably by Wednesday.

artist on March 7, 2010 at 3:38 PM

In a perfect world it wouldn’t matter after he’s keel hauled halfway around the globe.

trubble on March 7, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Federal Court in DC, let them deal with this punk.

Zorro on March 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Holder will probably try him in Judge Judy’s small claims court.

Daggett on March 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Gadahn will be the first American tried for treason in almost 60 years, but all that means is that the winning percentage will improve.

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Let Gadahn face his existing indictment, after intelligence experts get done interrogating him. Treason carries the death penalty, and that should satisfy everyone.

I agree. He is an American. He has the right to a trial and the charges against him. This is instructive for both the administration of justice in a nation of laws, as well as for others (listen up Nidal Hassan), who would consider this *path* of Islamofascism.

US Federal Court. Set the date.

ted c on March 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

On a goat farm.

lonestar1 on March 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Treason is treason, no matter the declaration of war or not. IIRC

ted c on March 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Federal court in Cleveland, Ohio. Or possibly Des Moines, Iowa. Spread the goodness around!

Rick554 on March 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Every now and again there is a person captured that I wouldn’t mind getting information from and then letting him “disappear” without a trial. That would be justice for someone like Gadahn.

myrenovations on March 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM

LOS ANGELES!

Cybergeezer on March 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Treason carries the death penalty, and that should satisfy everyone.

Gimme a break. There are plenty of people it won’t satisfy, like the church, the EU, the lefties, Sean Penn, and even some pundits who are against the death penalty.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM

The real question is which of the Justice Department lawyers will defend him.

JimK on March 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM

*this* is what C-Span is for.

–teachable moments

ted c on March 7, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Holder will probably try him in Judge Judy’s small claims court.

Daggett on March 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Perfect!

Cybergeezer on March 7, 2010 at 3:43 PM

….wondering if the Taliban secretly arranged to have the ISI take him off their hands.

Doesn’t sound like the Taliban I know.

The Taliban I know would have killed Gadahn themselves.

David2.0 on March 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM

What if Pakistan does not want to release him. They can charge him and execute him or imprison him there. What the US wants is not in issue yet. He lost any US citizen appeal the second he was captured on foreign soil. He has crimes there to answer to first.

How many US citizen are in foreign jails as they had crime there and not even Obama can talk to get them out even if they have US crimes.

tjexcite on March 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM

This is a tough one. Getting twelve goats to sit still as a jury of his peers will be hard.

Rocks on March 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Treason is treason, no matter the declaration of war or not. IIRC

ted c on March 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I agree whole-heartedly.

I simply remember from my military days that the death penalty for treason was only in effect during “declared” war and the US hasn’t declared war since 1941.

Perhaps I am misremembering. And for the record… I’ll buy the rope for which to hang the SOB.

Swinehound on March 7, 2010 at 3:45 PM

I can’t wait to see if he’s killed swiftly by American justice. It will tell me so much in a nutshell who and what we really are if this actually happens. But if there are midnight prayer vigils, tearful parents on Oprah, “concerned” Dems and their fellow travelers, we might as well shut off the lights and leave.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Is it too late to just put a bullet in his head? We’ll just call it a very late abortion and the Left should buy it.

Cicero43 on March 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

In a perfect world this wouldn’t be a question. He would have already faced a firing squad. The question should be why is his carcass not being gorged upon by wild animals already.

mikkins on March 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

swine–

I dunno, but the death penalty for treason may be if the case is tried under the UCMJ–not for civilians, the max may be life in prison–ie Aldrich Ames. I haven’t any idea, but we’ll soon find out.

ted c on March 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

And I hope they broadcast his execution live, and play it in the schools for my kids to watch.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Treason carries the death penalty, and that should satisfy everyone.

Unless you get a stealth lefty who claims he will be open to the death penalty just to get on the jury. I think the Maryland jury that heard the DC sniper murder charges against John Muhamed had this problem.

One of the Maryland jurors reported that there was one vote against the death penalty from the first time they voted. Regardless of what they then debagted, there was always that one vote every time they voted. Finally they had to report back to the judge that they were not unanimous, so Muhamed got consecutive life terms for the Maryland murders. No one could figure out who the one holdout was.

(When John Muhamed was tried in Virginia for the murders there, the jury had no such problem. Muhamed has since gone on to the Final Judgment, courtesy of the Commonwealth of Virginia’s Department of Corrections carrying out the jury’s sentence.)

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 3:50 PM

The Pakis had him for several days?Somethings not right about this.They must have known where he was for awhile. Why now?

sandee on March 7, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I wonder if Holder has assigned some U.S. Attorneys to defend him.

Cicero43 on March 7, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Treason carries the death penalty yes, but isn’t it ONLY during a period of “Declared” war???

Swinehound on March 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM

No, the whole talking point that none of these things are ‘legal’ or ‘constitutional’ unless we “declare war” is incorrect, historically and constitutionally speaking.

Arguably the 2001 AUMF was the same as a “declaration” of war since there is no Textual requirements. However, the founders themselves didn’t declare war in.

aside from that, post WW2 that practice ended by 1st world nations when we all outlawed War which meant the old language was dead. The new language falls under the 1970′s War Powers Resolution Act by COngress, which Nixon Vetoed but Congress overrode.

Constitutional Originalist would say the POTUS has the Article II powers to do all of this without congress consent as is anyway, and that the “War Powers Resolution” itself is unconstitutional, though has never been challenged and the law on the books today.

jp on March 7, 2010 at 3:51 PM

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

c’mon…you know that is what’s gonna happen with this MSM 24/7

cmsinaz on March 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Obama is against the Death Penalty, so odds are they give him Life in Federal Prison

jp on March 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

It appears trying him for treason wouldn’t create the same risk of having to publicize American intelligence secrets in federal court that some of the other trials would allow.
However, our own citizens who have spied against us haven’t been put to death since the Rosenbergs, have they? I could see him escaping the death penalty.

a capella on March 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM

This is like landing in Pollyanna’s New England. We’re all playing the “The Glad Game” now! We’re glad he’s been arrested. We’re glad he’ll be tried for treason — the first in 60 years in the US! Sheesh. Have you people been paying attention for the past 12 months? The Obama-Holder Justice Department will spend years trying to figure out how not to have to put this guy on trial. In their other lives, either one of them would have been the first in line to defend him. He was, after all, fighting against the evil empire — America.

Rational Thought on March 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Pay-per-view execution. Best way to reduce our deficit.

lonestar1 on March 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Federal Court. Hang him. Televise it live. Bury him in a pigskin.

trigon on March 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Tommy_G on March 7, 2010 at 3:37 PM

I can make that drive, but haw much will tickets be.

Harpoon on March 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Philosophically Gadahn’s weltanschauung dovetails with that of Dbama’s White House team. Could there be a cabinet position awaiting this young man?

MaiDee on March 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Absolutely Federal Court. We need to use this case to explain to the f**king nimrods on the left the difference between KSM’s accused of being enemy combatants and American citizens accused of Treason.

This is literally perfect timing for that discussion.

russcote on March 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM

jp on March 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

*shudder*

would not be surprised…

cmsinaz on March 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM

As he is an American citizen, I doubt that Gadahn will be tried via a court martial. Besides, it is a civilian court that has indicted Gadahn for treason:

Adam Yahiye Gadahn was indicted in the Central District of California for treason and material support to Al Qaeda. The charges are related to Gadahn’s alleged involvement in a number of terrorist activities, including providing aid and comfort to Al Qaeda and services for Al Qaeda.

unclesmrgol on March 7, 2010 at 2:05 PM

unclesmrgol on March 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM

“If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”

My personal prediction.

Mord on March 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM

c’mon…you know that is what’s gonna happen with this MSM 24/7

cmsinaz on March 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Yes, I do. But I still don’t know how the American people will react to the news. We’ve seen in the tea parties and HC and NYC KSM trial that when Americans are pissed, the MSM doesn’t work well. The American people are on trial now, to see if they’ll stand up to tyranny (so far so good) and are willing to kill the enemy (we shall see.)

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 3:57 PM

“If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”

My personal prediction.

Mord on March 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Mine, too.

Rational Thought on March 7, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Obama is against the Death Penalty, so odds are they give him Life in Federal Prison

jp on March 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Well, as the Islamists say: “You love life and we love death.”

So life in prison may be more appropriate.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 3:58 PM

The federal courts for this animal, I want to see the holywood leftists tie themselves in knots. If Holder can’t get this animal the death sentence and have it carried out then no more civilian trials for any terrorists foreign or domestic.

fourdeucer on March 7, 2010 at 3:58 PM

It’s not specifically the declaration of war; it’s declaring that an entity is an “enemy of the United States”.

We were never willing to declare the USSR an enemy of the United States. Americans spying for the Soviet Union were charged with espionage.

Al Qaeda is a declared “enemy of the United States” and supporters of Al Qaeda are traitors by the constitutional definition.

Chris_Balsz on March 7, 2010 at 3:58 PM

I think it is premature at this point to even assume the US will get ahold of this guy.

Terrye on March 7, 2010 at 4:00 PM

I’m cynical enough to imagine that right now someone from the U.S. State Dept. is telling someone in Pakistan that “President Obama would be very grateful if Mr. Gadahn were rendered permanently unavailable for trial in the U.S.” wink wink, nod nod

Rational Thought on March 7, 2010 at 4:01 PM

The US District Court for the Central District of California has four courthouses: in Santa Ana, Riverside, and two in Los Angeles.

Emperor Norton on March 7, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Rational Thought on March 7, 2010 at 4:01 PM

A cynic would think the state dept would want to see Fatboy escape.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Obama will analyze this from his always “What’s in it for me” point of view.
Better for America would be for Gadhan to be interrogated vigorously by the Pakistanies and then executed, soon, by the Pakistanies for whatever capital crimes he committed against that country.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Ed, you bury the lede:

Let Gadahn face his existing indictment, after intelligence experts get done interrogating him.

The ‘after intelligence experts get done interrogating him’ preposition is what counts most. Assuming that he and his counsel cannot derive access to sensitive US intelligence in connection with a defense of a federal court prosecution, then fine.

chaswv on March 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Well, for one thing, lawyers from firms tied to the White House will rush to defend him. The MSM will do what they can to mitigate his culpability stating he is just a “confused” young man, a la John Lihnd and then Tom Junod from Esquire will write an article calling him a hero.

Opposite Day on March 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Better for America would be for Gadhan to be interrogated vigorously by the Pakistanies and then executed, soon, by the Pakistanies for whatever capital crimes he committed against that country.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I think it would be better if we were forced to face the issue of how to deal with him. Americans need to grow up. This is one way.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Mine, too.

Rational Thought on March 7, 2010 at 3:57 PM

It’s depressing, isn’t it? Heh.

I dunno, I was sort of being sarcastic/realistic about the prospect of this guy achieving room-temperature status via our court system. I’ve been surprised before though.

I do think that common sense has started to beat most of America upside the head over this last year. We’ll have to wait and see.

Mord on March 7, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Shave the goofy beard off his face, then hang him by his…well, you know (if he has any).

tbear44 on March 7, 2010 at 4:06 PM

As an American citizen, he should be tried in an American civilian court. Unlike other foreign combatants, he is entitled to that right.

crosspatch on March 7, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Leavenworth.

BallisticBob on March 7, 2010 at 4:07 PM

I think it would be better if we were forced to face the issue of how to deal with him. Americans need to grow up. This is one way.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Have to agree, this case will set the stage for how Americans deal with future domestic terrorists and the sooner the better.

fourdeucer on March 7, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Oh just give him a pat on the head and make him super serious promise to not commit terrorism again. Then send him to Saudi Arabia for some coloring therapy.
I’m sure it will totes work.

/do I have to write that I’m being sarcastic? Really?

mjk on March 7, 2010 at 4:09 PM

I think it would be better if we were forced to face the issue of how to deal with him. Americans need to grow up. This is one way.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Agreed 100%!

My being worried about that outcome is hovering around 52%(wink, wink).

Mord on March 7, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Traditionally, have those charged with Treason been tried in Civilian Court? How were the Rosenbergs tried?

jp on March 7, 2010 at 4:09 PM

US District Court for Central California, where he’s been charged.KillerKane on March 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Oh, oh…Would this mean the automatic appeal is to the 9th District Court of Appeals?

Amendment X on March 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Whoa!
He won’t be tried until they get all the mileage out of him for the U.S. Communist Media, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, etc:
First; They want to charge some military soldiers with mis-handling, abuse, or torture.
Second; They want to parade him around the TV and newspapers to show how cruel the U.S. is to it’s prisoners;
Third; They want to make some blanket accusations against the CIA for abusive interrogation techniques;
And lastly; Holder wants to be the one to mirandize him in person, and expound on how America will bring him to “justice”.
LET THE CIRCUS BEGIN!

Cybergeezer on March 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Better for America would be for Gadhan to be interrogated vigorously by the Pakistanies and then executed, soon, by the Pakistanies for whatever capital crimes he committed against that country.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I think it would be better if we were forced to face the issue of how to deal with him. Americans need to grow up. This is one way.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

The point will be moot until custody changes hands though.

anuts on March 7, 2010 at 4:11 PM

JiangxiDad at 4:04
I agree with you in the abstract, but Obama will turn it into a propoganda and political opportunity for him, not the U.S. I’m for Pakistan getting all useful info from him and then executing him, quickly.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 7, 2010 at 4:11 PM

He’s a US citizens. Treason, try him in Federal Court, then execute him swiftly. PERIOD

elclynn on March 7, 2010 at 4:13 PM

He should be tried in a Pakistani court and sentenced to stoning.

TheSitRep on March 7, 2010 at 4:13 PM

I could see Holder wanting to get him ASAP, try him in Civilian Court and then the Left says: See, it works and KSM should be tried like this too. as a new talking point.

jp on March 7, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Let the Paki’s try him.

jpmn on March 7, 2010 at 4:18 PM

He should be tried in a Pakistani court and sentenced to stoning.

TheSitRep on March 7, 2010 at 4:13 PM

May never happen, because whatever he has done over the years has not harmed Pakistan..also jihad is not illegal in Pakistan

macncheez on March 7, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Give him a job in the Obama administration.

grapeknutz on March 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM

May never happen, because whatever he has done over the years has not harmed Pakistan..also jihad is not illegal in Pakistan

macncheez on March 7, 2010 at 4:18 PM

If you want to outlaw jihad, you’re gonna have to outlaw Islam.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM

He will blame his actions on President Bush…

… the media will run with it, Obowma will pardon him, then he will end up on ‘The View’.

Don’t think it can happen?

Seven Percent Solution on March 7, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Give him a job in the Obama administration.

grapeknutz on March 7, 2010 at 4:20 PM

He can replace Gibbs

macncheez on March 7, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Azam the American paging Gloria Allred. Gloria Allred please pick up the DOJ service phone.

R Square on March 7, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Hold a trial in a military cargo plane over the Atlantic, then sentence him to Davy Jones locker. Should take about 5 minutes.

Kini on March 7, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Holder will probably try him in Judge Judy’s small claims court.

Daggett on March 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

LOL! I know where you’re going but I think Judy might just execute them herself.

This might just be, upon reflection, a real problem for Obama.

He has thrown down the gauntlet on many issues vis-a-vis AQ and the war on terror.

Now he has a notorious turncoat that will likely be tortured in the most inhumane manner imaginable by agencies outside the US government – likely to the point where he would gladly die to escape it – something his friends on the far left are very much opposed to.

Then we may or may not get a bite at the apple. If we are given the opportunity, what the Obama administration might do could possibly be the exact opposite of what we would expect (I know, what are the chances?) he could be digging himself an even bigger hole.

A real problem for Obama.

turfmann on March 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Tell the Muslims that he’s Jewish. He won’t make it another day.

txag92 on March 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM

this was my first thought, in a rational world Gitmo. I suspect the Obama admin to send him to Bagram or some off conus location.

rob verdi on March 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Does anyone here actually think that we are going to be pleased with the manner in which this will be handled by the current DOJ?

thomasaur on March 7, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Then we may or may not get a bite at the apple. If we are given the opportunity, what the Obama administration might do could possibly be the exact opposite of what we would expect (I know, what are the chances?) he could be digging himself an even bigger hole.

A real problem for Obama.

turfmann on March 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM

I don’t think it’s a real problem for him. This is a layup–the guy has been charged, he’s an American–the only problem is getting him extradited. I’m sure we’d gladly extradite a few dozen AQ back to their home countries if they’d just charge them with something (??). If the POTUS and the AG are *rule of law* guys, then its time to put up or shutup–here’s a fella that needs some time in front of the judge–go get ‘em, tiger.

ted c on March 7, 2010 at 4:31 PM

txag92 on March 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Good Idea! That could work.
I’m going to see if I can find someone with the same last name in the Tel Aviv phone book to help convince them!

Cybergeezer on March 7, 2010 at 4:31 PM

If you really want this putz to suffer, leave him where he is– in Pakistan.

He surely is smirking at his captors now, “I’ll see you in New York with my pro bono lawyers.”

I’d love to see the look on his face when they reply, “New York? You must be kidding. You aren’t leaving this place for the rest of your cockroach-infested life.”

Now that is justice.

rogersnowden on March 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Trial by Smith & Wesson, John Browning, or Samuel Colt is my preferred method for these scum.

wildcat84 on March 7, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I like “Shot while attempting to escape”. Its cleaner.

Holder doesn’t have the guts to try him for treason. Hell, Holder probably thinks Gahdan’s a hero.

Iblis on March 7, 2010 at 4:35 PM

When he’s tried and found guilty I hope the first thing out of the judges mouth is “Get a rope”. Meh, who am I kidding.

boomer on March 7, 2010 at 4:36 PM

God, er Allah, is not on his side on timing. He released that video just in time, ‘genius’.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Try him at the end of a rope.

AaronGuzman on March 7, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Now that is justice.

rogersnowden on March 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Justice is finding out if this country has the backbone to try and convict a domestic terrorist. If Holder and the DoJ can’t convict this animal and carry out the death penalty then, well, maybe there just isn’t any justice left in America.

fourdeucer on March 7, 2010 at 4:44 PM

One of the Tokyo Rose’s was tried in federal court for treason, with a conviction:

But this guy should swing afterwards.

rbj on March 7, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Kind of putting the cart ahead of the horse here. How do we know Pakistan is gonna hand him over to the USA? Until that happens speculating what is the right method of trial for this scumbag is well… he can be tried and put before a firing squad in the town square. I’m just sayin…

canesfan on March 7, 2010 at 4:45 PM

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