The feds, freedom, and Schlitz

posted at 11:00 am on March 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Glenn Reynolds has an interesting take on a provocative poll result from Rasmussen last month showing that only 21% believe that the current federal government has the consent of the governed.  As he notes, only 63% of the political class — the people who work in that government — disagree.  Has America become ripe for a second revolution?  Glenn thinks instead that the federal government has become a damaged brand, and relates it to the story of Schlitz beer, which was at one time the second-most popular brew in the US:

These numbers should raise deep worries about the future of our republic. A nation whose government does not rest on the consent of the governed is a nation whose government holds sway only by inertia, or by force.

It is a nation vulnerable to political shocks, usurpation, or perhaps even political collapse or civil war. It is a body politic suffering from a serious illness. Those who care about America should be very worried.

But we’ve had enough political drama in recent years, so I’ll go for a more prosaic comparison: The once-heady brew of American freedom has become watery and unsatisfying.

In fact, when I think of the federal government’s brand now, I think of Schlitz beer. Schlitz was once a top national brew. But, in search of short-term gains, it began gradually reducing its quality in tiny increments to save money, substituting cheaper malt, fewer hops and “accelerated” brewing for its traditional approach.

Each incremental decline was imperceptible to consumers, but after a few years, people suddenly noticed that the beer was no good anymore. Sales collapsed, and a “Taste My Schlitz” campaign designed to lure beer drinkers back failed when the “improved” brew turned out not to be any better. A brand image that had been accumulated over decades was lost in a few years, and it has never recovered.

The book series The Bathroom Reader told the story of the Schlitz debacle in brief (as is its wont) a few years back.  The final straw came when the brewer decided to use cheap high-fructose corn syrup in its process to save money, as part of the “accelerated brewing” to which Glenn refers.  The beer brewed acceptably, but didn’t store well; after a few weeks, it separated in both bottles and cans and became undrinkable.  The “Taste My Schlitz” campaign failed because consumers stopped trusting Schlitz, and because consumers had many alternative choices available.

Unfortunately, that’s not the case with federal government, or it hasn’t been until recently.  Both major political parties have offered Big Government as their product, and both have suffered brand damage because of it.  The Tea Parties today serve the same purpose as the one in the 18th century in Boston, which was a signal that consumers wanted another choice.

If the market is responsive, one party will start providing that choice, or else consumers will create a product to meet the demand.  A third party would damage the GOP almost irrevocably, while benefiting Democrats in the short run.  With that in mind, the Republican Party and its politicians had better consider some rapid product improvements or find itself becoming the Schlitz Beer of political parties.

Update: Comment of the day from Noel of Cold Fury: “The cure for both problems is Sam Adams.”

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“Compassionate conservatism” diluted the brand. You cannot be conservative and support big government social programs, as that conflicts with fiscal conservatism.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM

We have had the Libertarian choice for many years here in America. The Tea Party movement seems disenchanted with the size, inefficiency and ineffectiveness of government. Libertarian candidates would take care of that disenchantment.

watson007 on March 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM

I’ll drink to that.

iurockhead on March 7, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM

i believe you are correct…

cmsinaz on March 7, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Ah, a fellow devotee of Uncle John, I see. Yes, Schlitz became known as “snot beer” because when it separated, it looked like snot floating in the beer.

JeffWeimer on March 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Libertarian candidates would take care of that disenchantment.

. . . and in the short run, that would guarantee the DemoRats free reign – until there is no turning back from the destruction they have wrought on our nation.

honsy on March 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM

I, for one, am finished with the GOP. They’ll never fully recover me unless they manage to pull up another Reagan–which they don’t have the brass to do.

Forget the Dems; everyone who knows me is well aware I hate liberals.

A major sea change is coming, and the Dems might well profit in the short term. But maybe not. They’re pushing their Leftist agenda too hard, and the People notice. And few are happy about it.

Whatever happens, it’s going to be ugly.

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM

It’s a moot point.

Sam Adams beer is better than Schlitz ever was and it has a nice patriotic ring to it.

We just need to completely clean out Washington from top to bottom.

The sooner Scott Brown becomes the senior member of the Senate the better.

turfmann on March 7, 2010 at 11:16 AM

It is a body politic suffering from a serious illness. Those who care about America should be very worried.

The two words preceding the above quote is what we’re on the verge of in America. The people are not only angry; they’re MAD as Hell and the young, whipper-snapper OJT president doesn’t seem to get it….nor does he care.

GoldenEagle4444 on March 7, 2010 at 11:17 AM

I appreciate the comparison to a beer, but I think ORBIT BEER would make a better example of the current administration.

Cybergeezer on March 7, 2010 at 11:17 AM

I believe I still have a few cans like that floating around the shop somewhere.

Yes I was one of those geeks who collected beer cans, I even had a metal floor to ceiling beer can tree with spring loaded main strut. It even revolved like one of those sunglasses displays at Wal Mart.

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 11:18 AM

And if we’re talking beer, the one that is most apt for the current administration is Billy Beer.

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM

For the first time in my life (I’m 51), people are actually talking about open revolt beyond the ballot box.

The Left is going into meltdown–the first stage of actual terror. Given what is spewing from the liberal pundits, what with all their vitriol like never before, I’m getting an impression they are beginning to worry. And for more than the liberal policies they’ve backed and often also pushed for decades.

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Great post Ed…and Glenn

Weight of Glory on March 7, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM

When you say you are “done with the GOP”, do you mean all GOP candidates or just the RNC part of it?

I don’t think it’s right to paint them all with such a broad brush. To be sure, there are alot of RINO’s and traitorous types that need to go but there are alot of good, conservative, patriotic people who are already serving and who are choosing to run.

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 11:31 AM

This past Halloween I drank dollar pints of Schlitz at my favorite bar all night. My mouth still has a slight scummy feel to it.

sammypants on March 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Hey, Washington: eat Schlitz and die!

OhioCoastie on March 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Oh, the RNC part. I’ll never again vote for a Dem no matter what (I voted for Clinton his first time, after Bush(I) jacked taxes). I tend to lean toward the candidate, not Party so much any more.

I’m also safe, being in NY, to vote Conservative Party because it’s almost impossible for a Pub to win anywhere here unless he or she is basically liberal.

But if the Pubs can give us another Reagan, I’ll vote Pub faster than you can say “Impeach Obama!”

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:36 AM

The GOP is good ol’ Budweiser – unimaginative, bland, but not terrible.

Whereas the Democrat Party is non-alcoholic Milwaukee’s Best.

Horrible taste and absolutely worthless.

The GOP needs to turn into a microbrew.

The Democrat Party needs to be poured down the toilet.

NoDonkey on March 7, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Hey, Washington: eat Schlitz and die live long to always regret it!

OhioCoastie on March 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Just had to add my own spin to that…

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Compassionate conservatism” diluted the brand. You cannot be conservative and support big government social programs, as that conflicts with fiscal conservatism.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM

More than that. It started with the Rockefellerians, in that the feds were the answer to all ills. For instance wage controls or even the genesis of war on drugs.

AH_C on March 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM

“Both major political parties have offered Big Government as their product…” Wait, isn’t this the Glenn Beck theory of current politics? I thought Beck was a crazy, populist, demagogue and had no credibility here at HA? Just some friendly kidding there, Ed.

I have no doubt that Reynolds is on to the gist of things. This discontent has been building since the Carter admin in my opinion. I don’t see the current generation of GOP pols (with a few exceptions) making the adjustments necessary. They are too invested in the status quo, and too dull and unimaginative. It’s going to be interesting to watch.

JimP on March 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 11:31 AM

I understand Liam’s ire. The Jim Bunning debacle is a classic example of the tone deaf GOP. Where were the other so called conservative Senators of the GOP to stand with him and demand that this bill be paid with Porkulus funds instead of NEW funding. As far as I can see they still haven’t learned their lesson.

chemman on March 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Slightly O/T

O.T.P. (One Term President) by WOLVERINES!

gary4205 on March 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM

O/T, but has the formatting of the page gone for a crap for anyone else?

All of the graphics are gone, text formating is shot…..

Jim708 on March 7, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Good to hear that. I’m torn on the Conservative Party. I think the GOP should be the “conservative party”. However, in New York, I will be happy to take a moderate to conservative person over a typical liberal. But here in Texas it irks me that we have to have moderates because we should be able to elect conservatives. Although, unfortunately with the hispanics and the left and east coast transplants we are getting infected with blue leaning idiots. Especially in Austin and Dallas.

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Let’s hope we can renew the GOP Brand. And the worst beer by far…… Texas Pride

conservnut on March 7, 2010 at 11:49 AM

We can only hope it’s a relatively peaceful one, led perhaps by the states.

petefrt on March 7, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Yep

artist on March 7, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Libertarian candidates would take care of that disenchantment.

watson007 on March 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM

imo, a lot of Libertarians are kind of liberal lite. They don’t really seem to think things through much better than liberals.
Anyone who thinks its a good idea to legalize drugs and whorez and think proactive defense is unnecessary, is closer to the progressive ideology than many would like to admit.
Their views on a lot of important issues seem simplistic at best and not applicable to reality as it actually exists in a global framework.

Itchee Dryback on March 7, 2010 at 11:50 AM

The Tea Parties today serve the same purpose as the one in the 18th century in Boston, which was a signal that consumers wanted another choice.

They want low taxes and more government services. It’s a false choice.

lexhamfox on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Back when I was in High School and would drink any beer I could get my hands on, I’d turn my nose up at driking “Schitz” For that very reason.

wildcat84 on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Ed -

A very good analogy. As a a kid just out of college I worked with a marketing agency that was trying to get business with Schlitz in the late 1970s. In addition to the Uhlein family, which controlled Schlitz, trying to cut corners, there was corruption theoughout the company. Virtually everyone in Purchasing and Marketing was looking for gifts and kickbacks.

Very similar to Congress and the federal bureauracy,

bw222 on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM

The other problem with libertarians is that they are content with losing elections, so they can feel superior.

NoDonkey on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM

gary4205 on March 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM

I’ve been trying to get Allah & Ed to post this for a week! This is awesome, I’m telling everyone about it.

My favorite line:

“Can I get a witness? You’re not down if you’re not on a watch list.”

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Sadly, I must concur. It will be bloody if the progressives don’t back off.

AH_C on March 7, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Wat I fear is that, if it does get brutal, the first targets are going to be people who really had nothing to do with much of the liberal agenda: minorities.

Olbie, Chrissy, and some others might get theirs, but I imagine most of them will be on planes out of the country long before they can be ‘handled’.

Worse, average libs like those who troll here don’t see what’s building, so they spew their hate like there will always be a tomorrow. Then it’ll be too late, and they’ll wonder how it all happened.

Well, it’s said ignorance is bliss.

God help our country.

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Breaking: Twitter reporting Adam Gadahn “arrested” in Pakistan.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Good post, but the conclusion is a little too Beckian for me. The errors the G.O.P. has made pale in comparison to the other side. Moreover we have to be realistic about our demands on the Party. It’s one thing to say that they should never again vote for idiotic legislation like the “GIVE” and “SERVE” acts which pay people to “volunteer” (and build up the Democrat Party’s army at our expense), but it’s quite another to demand that, say, all entitlements be pitched pronto, or that we throw everyone out of congress, which some purists seem to be advocating. Personally, I’m warming up to Paul Ryan’s roadmap.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Breaking: Twitter reporting Adam Gadahn “arrested” in Pakistan.
JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Hopefully to be followed by a tweet that Gadahn accidentally fell out of a helicopter from 5,000 feet.

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Yes I was one of those geeks who collected beer cans, I even had a metal floor to ceiling beer can tree with spring loaded main strut. It even revolved like one of those sunglasses displays at Wal Mart.

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Awesome. You musta had chicks lined up at your door, day and night. How many times I thought to myself, “notropis, if only you had a revolving beer can tree — then, then the ladies couldn’t resist….”

notropis on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

we are becoming a fascist state…national socialist, just like the red chinese. we will end up in a dictatorship, I’m afraid nothing will stop that.

right4life on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Ron Paul says we’re not supposed to kill Americans.

notropis on March 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Like in Scarface?

NoDonkey on March 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Breaking: Twitter reporting Adam Gadahn “arrested” in Pakistan.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Where do I sign up to be his hangman?

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Ah, a fellow devotee of Uncle John, I see. Yes, Schlitz became known as “snot beer” because when it separated, it looked like snot floating in the beer.

JeffWeimer on March 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Old chestnut riddle – If it’s snot beer, what is it?

The American Republic brand went bad quite a while ago. As long as our public servants are treated as if they are our masters, nothing will change.

Peri Winkle on March 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM

A nation whose government does not rest on the consent of the governed is a nation whose government holds sway only by inertia, or by force.

Just because you Can do something Doesn’t mean that you Should do something.

Clearly the people have rejected Obamacare.

If the Dems force it through anyways, they may yield some short term gains, but it will severely damage the nation and them.

That’s something they really have to think about before Forcing this on us.

Chip on March 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM

gary4205 on March 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Here’s another good one by Victoria Jackson.

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM

notropis on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

In my own defense I was about 11 years old, but yes the ladies were quite impressed with a beer can collection. Nothing says “Love Machine” like a mint condition Stroud Export hextop can.

Bishop on March 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Breaking: Twitter reporting Adam Gadahn “arrested” in Pakistan.

JiangxiDad on March 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Pleasepleaseplease be true.

Itchee Dryback on March 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM

This is all just a ‘New Coke’ experiment. It will die out soon. If there are no buyers for Socialism, they will bring back the old Coke.

percysunshine on March 7, 2010 at 12:03 PM

The House GOP did a fairly good job of rebranding with the “Contract with America.” Then it diluted it with DeLay’s K-Street Project (“Let’s get our share of jobs and goodies from the lobbyists.” And the lobbyist wanted pork in return). It’s hard now to re-brand and to give up the buying-votes-with-pork habit.

Hastert once justified pork to Bush43 by saying it bought a majority, so please don’t veto any pork-filled spending bills.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 12:03 PM

It is a nation vulnerable to political shocks, usurpation, or perhaps even political collapse or civil war. It is a body politic suffering from a serious illness. Those who care about America should be very worried.

Well, we already have a usurpation – which many on the right were too cowardly to even let anyone else speak about in public. Thanks guys. You’re the best.

As to the rest, anyone with a brain understood what Nov 4th, 2008 really meant and what it would mean for the future of the US.

It’s interesting how this post doesn’t have the word “sec3ssion” in it, as that is one of the most distinct possibilities – and the most likely of that sort. I’m not sure why someone would talk about a “second rev0lution” which is just not in the cards, without talking about the real possibility of states deciding to leave this Frankenstein monster that the federal government has become to form a nation built on the American creed and tradition.

As to those who think the Libertarians offer any sort of reasonable alternative, don’t make me laugh … really. Libertarians are a joke, with half of them being lunatic liberals and the other half having a sense of foreign policy and national security that doesn’t even rise to the level of a joke.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:04 PM

I, for one, am finished with the GOP. They’ll never fully recover me unless they manage to pull up another Reagan–which they don’t have the brass to do.

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Reagan couldn’t reduce the size of the government.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:06 PM

True, but they still make Schlitz Malt Liquor which is the best 40oz out there

d-mitch on March 7, 2010 at 12:07 PM

“Taste My Schlitz”

tehehe

Know what that means in Austrian, er, I mean German?

forest on March 7, 2010 at 12:08 PM

the Republican Party and its politicians had better consider some rapid product improvements

The first improvement would be getting rid of Steele.

GarandFan on March 7, 2010 at 12:08 PM

The analogy is no good. It would be as if approximately 50% of the population realized that Schlitz tasted like a$$, but the other approximately 50% loved the stuff and couldn’t get enough.

We have to accept the fact that almost half of the population pay no taxes and like all the free stuff. Socialism works for them.

tommylotto on March 7, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Um, excuse me Ed, but I could’ve sworn that I just posted something on this thread that just disappeared into space. Is there some “magic word” that must never be mentioned in any context whatsoever, or perhaps must be uttered, in order to have one’s thoughts be permissible here?
Just wondering.

Lew on March 7, 2010 at 12:09 PM

The taste my Schlitz campaign like Washington? How about the Kiss my grits campaign. I think it more accurately describes the situation. With apologies to Flo.

flyoverland on March 7, 2010 at 12:10 PM

FTA:

Not long ago, the federal government enjoyed a stellar reputation for honesty and competence.

This is the first I’ve heard of this. Anyone have a link?

Is Reynolds just being facetious?

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Is there some “magic word” that must never be mentioned in any context whatsoever,

Lew on March 7, 2010 at 12:09 PM

“Rev0lution”.

Hotair gets a kick out of moderating for normal words, and then they really love putting up posts with those words in them. It’s a game … a lefty game, but that’s what we have, here.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:11 PM

According to Wikipedia, the current owners of the Schlitz brand have gone back to the 1950s-1960s brewing formula and are trying to reintroduce it on a market by market basis. It just might work.

With the sale of Busch, Coors and Miller to foreign brewers, the two largest American-owned breweries are Boston Brewing Co. (Sam Adams) and Yeungling.

Going back to the 1950s might work for the U.S.

bw222 on March 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Reagan couldn’t reduce the size of the government.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:06 PM

That was courtesy of a Dem Congress that spent $1.40 for every new dollar to the Treasury. As Tip O’Neill once said, any Reagan budget proposal was ‘dead on arrival’. And God alone knows how many other factors there were.

Reagan wasn’t perfect (who is?), but he restored belief in the United States among the People. He was scoffed at the first time he went to Europe, but the following year Euro leaders couldn’t wait for him to tell of ‘the American miracle’.

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 12:14 PM

bw222 on March 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM

I’ve had the re-engineered Schlitz and it’s actually pretty good.

Just not worth the price, I think it was $6.00 for a six-pack.

NoDonkey on March 7, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Well, we already have a usurpation – which many on the right were too cowardly to even let anyone else speak about in public. Thanks guys. You’re the best.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:04 PM

That is the first thing I thought when I read this story.

mrsmwp on March 7, 2010 at 12:16 PM

I have noticed an awful lot of anti-screening devices in the posts these days, but didn’t think I was being THAT controversial. I guess the old Captains Quarters days are gone for good.
Too bad!

Lew on March 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Not long ago, the federal government enjoyed a stellar reputation for honesty and competence.
This is the first I’ve heard of this. Anyone have a link?

Is Reynolds just being facetious?

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:10 PM

I agree. There always has been incompetence and corruption in all governments, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense. But Glen Reynolds is about as moderate as you can be and still call yourself a conservative, which makes him a favorite of Ed and Allah (aloing with losers like Jazz Shaw, Rick Moran and David Frum).

bw222 on March 7, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Lew on March 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM

You can thank Chuckles of little snotballs, and Hotair’s cowardice in rushing to appease Chuckles, for this.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Come on…we still have Blatz. Schlitz must have stopped using corn syrup in their brewing, because about a year ago I had a case of it in my fridge for months. It tasted the same after 4 months as it did at the beginning. Hey, Schlitz may not be quality but you can’t beat the price. Less than $10 out the door with deposit for a case! That might not sound great, but remember that in Michigan there’s a sin tax on alcohol + a $0.10 deposit on cans and bottles.

Goldenavatar on March 7, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Patience. Nobody likes flat beer, regardless of how good it once was.

President Dangerfield is a beer that is losing its carbon dioxide, which is appropriate for an idiot that likes crap-and-tax. Soon, BB King will write a song about it – “The Fizz is Gone”

platypus on March 7, 2010 at 12:25 PM

“Compassionate conservatism” diluted the brand. You cannot be conservative and support big government social programs, as that conflicts with fiscal conservatism.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM

This nails it on the head.

oddjob1138 on March 7, 2010 at 12:25 PM

That was courtesy of a Dem Congress that spent $1.40 for every new dollar to the Treasury. As Tip O’Neill once said, any Reagan budget proposal was ‘dead on arrival’. And God alone knows how many other factors there were.

Reagan wasn’t perfect (who is?), but he restored belief in the United States among the People. He was scoffed at the first time he went to Europe, but the following year Euro leaders couldn’t wait for him to tell of ‘the American miracle’.

Liam on March 7, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Agreed. I’m not knocking Reagan. Far from it. I’m saying that even Ronald Reagan couldn’t reduce the size of government. Sure, if Ronald Reagan had a super majority of conservative Reagan Republicans in the House and Senate could he have reduced the size of government? We’ll never know because it didn’t happen.

It’s not going to happen. The government is not going to get smaller. There are other issues that we can tackle, but this ain’t one of them.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM

“A man strolled down a dock counting the cracks between the boards. When he got to the end of the dock, he fell into the water. What’s the moral of the story?

……..When you’re out of slits, you’re out of pier. “

Asher on March 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM

GREAT POST

John the Libertarian on March 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Sad, when I was in school, and on those days when I was awake, we were taught that the Constitution protected the 48% from having the 52% rob them blind. That the Constitution protected the rights of the minority though the rule of law. I figure that probably about 35-40% of that 52% don’t hold meaningful jobs, I say, they should not get to vote. They should not get to vote their grubby hands into my kids future, they should not get to vote on the destiny of this great country, they should not get to vote in how taxes are levied and distributed. They should be afforded the chance to find work without having to compete with illegal foreign nationals, that and emergency medical care are about all that I am willing to “give” them.

rgranger on March 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM

“Compassionate conservatism” diluted the brand. You cannot be conservative and support big government social programs, as that conflicts with fiscal conservatism.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM

That was a minor problem, in the overall picture. What killed the GOP was Shamnesty. That was a total assault on America and it is what made conservatives truly distrust the GOP. Then, to have the pathetic moron who was behind the Shamnesty be the GOP candidate was the final nail in the coffin. People knew, at that point, that the GOP was totally untrustworthy and useless.

Bush did overspend and expand the federal government, but not on any scale that was fatal. Bush’s outrageous moves left in foreign policy for his second term were much more harmful to the GOP – though you can make a good case that his method of “compassionately” prosecuting wars was one of the main factors in that problem.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Sad, when I was in school, and on those days when I was awake, we were taught that the Constitution protected the 48% from having the 52% rob them blind. That the Constitution protected the rights of the minority though the rule of law.

rgranger on March 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM

They taught you that stuff in school?!? What are you, like, a hundred years old? They don’t teach that now, I promise.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Hotair gets a kick out of moderating for normal words, and then they really love putting up posts with those words in them. It’s a game … a lefty game, but that’s what we have, here.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Tru dat. I actually get a kick out of le$bian is verboten but gay is not. Qu33r is but not sodomy. Rev0lution but not Founding Fathers.

The libtards just have to hijack everything. And even when they get what they want, they’re not happy. They just want more.

platypus on March 7, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Reagan couldn’t reduce the size of the government.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:06 PM

He also had a Democrat dominated Congress.

Obama is having a tough time getting his Marxist agenda pushed through Congress, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a Marxist.

uknowmorethanme on March 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Reagan couldn’t reduce the size of the government.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:06 PM

And because this isn’t a dictatorship where the President waves his magic wand and gets what he wants.

uknowmorethanme on March 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM

I used to drink Schlitz Beer in college in the seventies. They tell me I had a pretty good time. . .

BigAlSouth on March 7, 2010 at 12:40 PM

With ‘progressives’ defiantly cramming their ideology down our throats, the only way I see of avoiding open conflict is for states to reassert and restore their authority within the federal system.

Hopefully, the GOP and TPM can unite behind, and aggressively promote initiatives such as this…


States Seeking to Ban Mandatory Health Insurance
Despite federal stalemate, state lawmakers pursuing measures banning health insurance mandates

By DAVID A. LIEB Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. February 1, 2010 (AP):

Although President Barack Obama’s push for a health care overhaul has stalled, conservative lawmakers in more than two-thirds of the states are forging ahead with constitutional amendments to ban government health insurance mandates.

The proposals would assert a state-based right for people to pay medical bills from their own pocketbooks and prohibit penalties against those who refuse to carry health insurance.

petefrt on March 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM

The ideological right must attack the schools, the media and the pop culture. And not by acting like a bunch of old prudes!

The people need better information, then the polls change. Then the elected ones get scared.

The Dems may pass the healthcare fiasco since they know that the media will sell, sell, sell it, the public will forget the cost and the quality of what they have now and voila! — we have a new entitlement!

IlikedAUH2O on March 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM

NEUROSCUPLTOR: That’s fine for you perhaps, but for many of us (most IMO) it was the whole Bush II/GOP Congress enchilada, not one or two particulars. Except for tax cuts, pretty much everything ‘W’ and the GOP did was wrong or they fouled up things that were not inherently bad. And let me add, I like the Bushes personally. They are very decent, well meaning and patriotic people. That being said, their overarching governing philosophy is @#$#%, IMO. The entire Rockefellerian bigger government approach from ’01-’06/’08 after two decades of elections indicating Americans wanted smaller, not bigger, government did the GOP in. Also, the Dems have willfully misread their ‘mandate’ for an expansion of government.

JimP on March 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM

No but a pic of that poptop made me have to give credit to progressives who demanded industry innovate a way around the loose poptop. I remember when those things were scattered on the ground everywhere. I hate giving progressives credit. Thanks.

pc on March 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM

……..When you’re out of slits, you’re out of pier. “

Asher on March 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Last night, my sister went on a blind date with a beer salesman. She came home without her Busch, Schlitz in her pants, Budweiser.

petefrt on March 7, 2010 at 12:48 PM

He also had a Democrat dominated Congress.

Obama is having a tough time getting his Marxist agenda pushed through Congress, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a Marxist.

uknowmorethanme on March 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Yes, I know. That’s my point. People long for another Reagan to shrink the government. I’m saying that even if we had another Reagan it wouldn’t happen.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:56 PM

And because this isn’t a dictatorship where the President waves his magic wand and gets what he wants.

uknowmorethanme on March 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Right. In other words, electing someone like Ronald Reagan as President will not reduce the size and scope of government. We are not going to make the government smaller. We need to concentrate on other issues, because this one is a lost cause.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Grahmensty sure isn’t helping the GOP, that is for sure.

immigrantchick on March 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM

What killed the GOP was Shamnesty. That was a total assault on America and it is what made conservatives truly distrust the GOP. Then, to have the pathetic moron who was behind the Shamnesty be the GOP candidate was the final nail in the coffin. People knew, at that point, that the GOP was totally untrustworthy and useless.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Agree. Add to that buying into the Global Warming scam and strengthening the power of the EPA to change the economic basis of the country. Putting ear plugs in every time the people tried to let their voices be heard didn’t help either.

They still don’t seem to get it.

Itchee Dryback on March 7, 2010 at 1:01 PM

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Before Shamnesty we also had “No Child Left Behind” (bipartisan with Teddy. Bush wanted Teddy’s vote so much that Bush conceded and left out school vouchers.) And then there was the Medicare Prescription Drug bill.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 1:01 PM

JimP on March 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Good point.
Here’s 2 quotes from the 2007 State of the Union, that I think help summarize what was wrong with GWB:

Our job is to make life better for our fellow Americans, and to help them to build a future of hope and opportunity — and this is the business before us tonight.

America is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that will enable us to live our lives less dependent on oil. And these technologies will help us be better stewards of the environment, and they will help us to confront the serious challenge of global climate change.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Carter created the Department of Education as a payoff to the teachers unions. When Reagan came along, he tried to get rid of it, but after just four years, it was already too entrenched in the bureaucracy.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Amazon is now shipping Courage and Consequence.

W was a real loser in some ways but he has taken more lying crap and cursing from the left than Hitler ever deserved.

He deserves defense, if for no other reason than to make our community organizer look like what He is.

I wonder how the MSM will handle the book? I know lefites who are still living on the charges of lying, racism, depriving all of us of our freebies..

IlikedAUH2O on March 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM

The good news (if true): Adam Gadahn “arrested” in Pakistan. The bad news: Our law professor POTUS will tie himself completely in mental knots around this one!

Gadahn is an American citizen, so, does he have the right to remain silent (and “lawyer up”); OR would he be considered an unauthorized enemy combatant captured on the battlefield – which under the Laws and Rules of Land Warfare would apparently permit him to be executed on the spot; or will he be deemed a “terrorist” and thus eligible to be sent to Gitmo and be tried by military tribunal (either for being a terrorist, or for treason – which I believe is within a military tribunal’s jurisdiction under the circumstances, i.e. a U.S. citizen taking up arms against the United States.

I guess we’ll just have to see what the US Attorney General recommends.

alwyr on March 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM

We are not going to make the government smaller. We need to concentrate on other issues, because this one is a lost cause.

July 10 on March 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Making government smaller is the only lasting and realistic solution. Time to cut the fat in personnel and programs…but everybody knows that. If we can’t face that reality, we are little more than self deluded moderates.
Start cutting as soon as possible and keep cutting.
People will rally around that purpose and the courage that it will take.
We don’t need the gov telling us what food to eat or cars to drive or which lightbulbs will be allowed to be purchased or words allowed to be spoken, not to mention what values and world views to teach our children.
Stop the insanity.

Itchee Dryback on March 7, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Before Shamnesty we also had “No Child Left Behind” (bipartisan with Teddy. Bush wanted Teddy’s vote so much that Bush conceded and left out school vouchers.) And then there was the Medicare Prescription Drug bill.

Wethal on March 7, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Yes, and conservatives hated those things, but their effects paled in comparison to the Shamnesty. There is no real comparison. The Shamnesty push was the point when many conservatives dropped their GOP registration and when people talked about the GOP killing itself. It was during the shamnesty that McCain and Graham and the rest of their scumbag comrades were running around calling us racists and bigots and everything under the sun, using pure leftist tactics against conservatives to try and kill America.

No Child left behind and Medicare Drug were middling stabs at the body, but Shamnesty, and the insane way they tried to bully conservatives into shutting up (just like the left always does) was a bullet to the head of the GOP. The Shamnesty was also the precedent of the federal government launching an assault on the citizenry, which has now been stepped up by 5 orders of magnitude with the traitorous dems and their ineligible Precedent.

I am not saying that conservatives were fine with the rest of the GOP actions, only that they weren’t fatal, nor even close to fatal. It was one thing for the GOP to waste some money and take some stupid leftist positions, but quite another to launch an all-out attack on US sovereignty, denigrate the value of US citizenship, and then call conservatives names for trying to defend it. There has never been any doubt in my mind that the Shamnesty was the turning point.

neurosculptor on March 7, 2010 at 1:18 PM

“When you’re out of Schlitz, you’re out of beer.” devolved to “Up Schlitz creek.” pretty fast. Pretty much were we are now.

roy_batty on March 7, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Sad, when I was in school, and on those days when I was awake, we were taught that the Constitution protected the 48% from having the 52% rob them blind. That the Constitution protected the rights of the minority though the rule of law. I figure that probably about 35-40% of that 52% don’t hold meaningful jobs, I say, they should not get to vote. They should not get to vote their grubby hands into my kids future, they should not get to vote on the destiny of this great country, they should not get to vote in how taxes are levied and distributed. They should be afforded the chance to find work without having to compete with illegal foreign nationals, that and emergency medical care are about all that I am willing to “give” them.

rgranger on March 7, 2010 at 12:27 PM

I’d like to see a twixt on the original concept that the founding fathers had, in which only property owners could vote. For our times, only taxpayers can vote. If you have no skin in taxes, you cannot vote – plain and simple.

If you pay no taxes, then you need to make your case to the taxpayers as to why you need X benefit. That said, we need to reform the tax code to a flat tax basis. I’m not convinced that the “fair” tax touted by Huckberry is good enough, although I’d rather see that than the purid mess we have now.

AH_C on March 7, 2010 at 1:31 PM

We have had the Libertarian choice for many years here in America. The Tea Party movement seems disenchanted with the size, inefficiency and ineffectiveness of government. Libertarian candidates would take care of that disenchantment.

watson007 on March 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Yes, but what flavor of Libertarianism? It seems able to be all things to all people.

Smaller government yes!
Libertarianism I am not so sure about.

Libertarian socialism
anarcho-syndicalism
anarchist collectivism
anarchist communism
anarcho-capitalist
minarchist
classical liberal
Objectivism
Agorism
Autarchism
Consequentalist
Constitutionalist
Crypto-anarchism
Deontological
Geolibertarianism
Mutualist
Paleolibertarianism
Panarchist
Propertarianism
Voluntaryism

sharrukin on March 7, 2010 at 1:32 PM

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