Federal pay surpasses private sector
posted at 10:00 am on March 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
For those balancing offers of employment from the public and private sector, first, our congratulations. Beyond that, make the decision a little easier by reading the analysis of compensation for jobs that exists in both realms, reported by USA Today. Not only are salaries now over 10% higher in the federal government, but the benefits package averages more than four times the benefits offered in the competitive sector:
Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.
Accountants, nurses, chemists, surveyors, cooks, clerks and janitors are among the wide range of jobs that get paid more on average in the federal government than in the private sector.
Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.
These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Here are the top 10 big winners on salary by dollar difference:
| Job | Federal | Private | Difference | Pct |
| Public relations manager | $132,410 | $88,241 | $44,169 | 50.05% |
| Broadcast technician | $90,310 | $49,265 | $41,045 | 83.31% |
| Clergy | $70,460 | $39,247 | $31,213 | 79.53% |
| Chemist | $98,060 | $72,120 | $25,940 | 35.97% |
| Graphic designer | $70,820 | $46,565 | $24,255 | 52.09% |
| Landscape architects | $80,830 | $58,380 | $22,450 | 38.45% |
| Recreation worker | $43,630 | $21,671 | $21,959 | 101.33% |
| Cook | $38,400 | $23,279 | $15,121 | 64.96% |
| Pest control worker | $48,670 | $33,675 | $14,995 | 44.53% |
| Laundry, dry-cleaning worker | $33,100 | $19,945 | $13,155 | 65.96% |
In case you’re wondering, the worst deal on the list is for optometrists, who take an average 42% loss in salary to work for the federal government. In that case, though, the benefits package just about makes up the difference. Physicians and surgeons are just about at the break-even point, while lawyers only take a 2.5% loss in salary.
Why does a government broadcast technician make 83% more than one in the private sector? Why does the government employ public relations managers at all? Clearly, these jobs could be outsourced by contract and save the taxpayers a lot of money.
Why aren’t they outsourced? Most of these jobs are unionized. The SEIU and AFSCME have a grip on the federal workplace, which is — not coincidentally — why taxpayers pay double for a recreation worker, or 45% more for pest control salaries rather than just call Orkin.









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Your tax dollars at work. Each government employee requires a marginal increase in tax revenue.
DerKrieger on March 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM
Bordering on criminal.
darwin on March 6, 2010 at 10:04 AM
Never underestimate the power of a sheep dog.
percysunshine on March 6, 2010 at 10:04 AM
To offset this disparity, federal workers should be taxed at a rate twice that of everyone else.
I think that’s fair.
darwin on March 6, 2010 at 10:05 AM
If Bill Maher had his wish and Glenn Beck died I wouldn’t have heard about this on his radio show yesterday.
thomasaur on March 6, 2010 at 10:05 AM
These numbers don’t include their benefit package either.
thomasaur on March 6, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Love it. The left does love to tax those that are “undeserving”. Why not here? /
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Who was the normally smart con on this site last week that tried to tell me that the pay difference was only an issue for the executive types? Show yourself. /
CWforFreedom on March 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM
The headline leads one to believe that this just happened. Federal pay has probably been above private sector pay for at least a decade. The real telling fact is the 4-1 differential in benefits value.
The next President is going to have to adress this and other key budget cuts as Obama has the country on track for $9.7 trillion in additional deficits by 2020.
Addressing this challenge is going to take someone with courage. Sorry Allah, but the terms Mitt Romney and courage are mutually exclusive. Sorry Ed, but TPaw showed absolutely no courage in the MN recount. Sarah Palin has the courage to tackle the government overspending problem.
bw222 on March 6, 2010 at 10:10 AM
Yeah, but according to standard Leftist dogma, people go into government work because they’re such compassionate individuals that they can’t stand the idea of working for a for-profit company. The fact that they get higher pay and benefits is a minor detail compared to the awesome amounts of emotional satisfaction they get from helping others.
venividivici on March 6, 2010 at 10:11 AM
And, BIG AND…..Who pays for the liability insurance in the government jobs sector??? Hmmmmmm?
Rovin on March 6, 2010 at 10:11 AM
PR manager for the government. That says it all.
angryed on March 6, 2010 at 10:12 AM
The best part is that govt jobs produce nothing marketable.
Just throwing money down a giant rat hole that gets larger every year.
When one retires, now 2 sets of wages must be payed for the same job.
Even if you don’t work for the government, you work for the government!
elderberry on March 6, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Actually, I believe this is unconstitutional. At the very least, this is an argument in favor of progressive taxation, which I find… interesting… coming from the HotAir comments. ;)
Now, are these salaries rather ridiculous? That’s rather self-evident.
The union bias is illustrated quite clearly when you look at the jobs that generally require more education. As someone who’s lived in a family of engineering civil servants (working for DoD), the disparity is the other way.
I must look into where they report engineers at.
Scott H on March 6, 2010 at 10:13 AM
This should be reported as a victory by the WH.
Vashta.Nerada on March 6, 2010 at 10:15 AM
The clergy are likely military chaplains, and we could be talking about military/law enforcement demolition chemists as well, which could cause some of the disparity. And the federal medical workers tend to be stationed on American Indian reservations, other remote locations, or in VA hospitals.
I wish they would can all the “public relations managers” and “broadcast technicians” though. There are plenty of private companies who could do that work for them…
However, the USDA and FDA are undermanned. Typical government, I guess….way overfund unnecessary fluff and slash things that actually are important to health of the citizenry.
funky chicken on March 6, 2010 at 10:15 AM
Notice that the private sector pay in the health industry is still higher than gummint pay.
We’ll soon take care of that!!!!
Talon on March 6, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Does the benefits package include the recent commitment to paying for college costs if one enters government employment?
a capella on March 6, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Fascinating. I hope those government workers realize that those benefit costs are borrowed.
Vashta.Nerada on March 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM
Chris Christie/2012!
PatMac on March 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM
More reason to take this country back and put these entitllement freaks out of work.
bluegrass on March 6, 2010 at 10:18 AM
There are a significent percentage of people double (or even triple) dipping. T hey retire from the military, receive their military pension and get a job with the federal government. They they retire from the government job, get a second pension and work in the private sector for a short time and collect Social Security.
bw222 on March 6, 2010 at 10:18 AM
I think it’s a bit counter-productive to get all angry at federal employees. That allows the real culprit to get off the hook – CONGRESS.
rock the casbah on March 6, 2010 at 10:19 AM
Right. Outsource all of it to the private sector. Gubmint should not be in competition with the private sector.
Makes me livid.
petefrt on March 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Don’t forget the recent influx of Muslim inmans.
a capella on March 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM
I have never understood why any federal employee makes anything more than minimum wage.
Mord on March 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM
All we need is a huge deduction for supporting government employees on our tax returns, something in the neighborhood of an extra 1 or 2 dependents.
fourdeucer on March 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM
This is not something that is Obama’s fault any more than it was Bush’s, Clinton’s or Reagan’s.
Jack Kennedy pushed through legislation for federal workers to unionize. According to a recent article by Rich Lowry, 2009 was the first year that government employees (at all levels) exsceeded the number of private sector workers in terms of union membership.
bw222 on March 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM
No
bw222 on March 6, 2010 at 10:26 AM
I think Scott Brown’s call for a Federal pay freeze is fair, especially in the current economy.
packsoldier on March 6, 2010 at 10:26 AM
We need someone who will stand up to all federal employees like Reagan stood up to air traffic controllers in the 1980s.
bw222 on March 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM
What exactly is a “Recreation” worker? Is it the same thing as the, “Recreation” workers, that are on the outskirts of most Nevada cities?
multiuseless on March 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM
That’s right, clergy is overwhelmingly military – they get paid according to military officer pay scales, which are not related to their job description, but their rank. Now, Catholic chaplains aren’t allowed to keep much of that due to their vow of poverty, so most goes to the church.
So that one is easily explained. the rest? Not so much. Whatever happened to “prevailing wage”? If it’s good for the private sector, it’s better for the public sector.
JeffWeimer on March 6, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Pretty soon we’ll all be employed by the federal government.
bitsy on March 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Do you know how much a SS check is reduced because of a retiree receives a government annuity? Try $284 a month.
News2Use on March 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Fire them all. Most of these thieves belong in jail.
chunderroad on March 6, 2010 at 10:41 AM
I’m gonna guess National Park Service employees?
funky chicken on March 6, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Do you think minimum wage would be reasonable compensation for an individual responsible for the coordination of planning, BOM procurement and shipping, concurrent projects at 7 locations in 5 different countries involving 57 individuals with minimum TS clearances?
News2Use on March 6, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Are we Greece yet? When do the riots start?
Knucklehead on March 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM
“Recreation” workers could be employed at military installations or perhaps in some inter-city programs.
bw222 on March 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Now now, don’t let the facts get in the way of some totally irrational hyperbole.
While we’re at it, let’s hang all the lawyers!
packsoldier on March 6, 2010 at 10:48 AM
So, there’s a magical pot of gold that the government can sustain these salaries at the expense of the private sector, right? I mean, it must be in fantasy land where the government doesn’t get its income to pay these people from the private sector…
StevefromMKE on March 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Sure, that’s what we need. More opportunities for Washington bureaucrats to slip cushy contracts to their cronies.
I don’t know that money taken from me by force and given to some well-connected CEO qualifies as “private sector.”
notropis on March 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM
You are correct. National, state and local parks. My cousin actually has a degree in it.
Knucklehead on March 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Good idea but the government lives on bad ideas. They are in the process of converting ICE/CBP contract IT positions to Government positions which is bass ackwards of what should happen.
chemman on March 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Everyone knows about the impact of government workers being unionized, and the devastation that union government contracts and pensions have caused and will continue to cause to federal and state economics. Obama knows that. Obama puts one of the worst, Stern, on his phony deficit commission. There is no reasonable conclusion other than that Obama intends to permit the union pillaging of our economy to continue.
GaltBlvnAtty on March 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM
What are we going to do with these idiots once we finally slash the government payroll down to pre-FDR levels? They are too inept to get real jobs in the private sector.
Buddahpundit on March 6, 2010 at 10:57 AM
The funny part is that Soros (whom serious journalist Andrea Mitchel does NOT believe is a radical) lives on an island and the amount of tax dodging coming will make a Rangel look like like a drop in the ocean. He is probably ready to pounce on a currency bet when the time comes
I would say that we need a major economic economic collapse but Soros, MSNBC the gang in DC would just use it an excuse to make things even worse.
IlikedAUH2O on March 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM
I heard about this yesterday, and as an accountant in the private sector, I was appalled when I heard that accountants in the public sector perform more “technical” accounting procedures.
BS!!! Accounting is accounting.
ladyingray on March 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Recreation degrees- are they not the ones that help a city become”green” by developing bikepaths, exercise areas in parks, coordinate earth day celebrations with volunteer trash pickup, bike to work/school initiatives, greening rooftops etc?
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 6, 2010 at 11:09 AM
How do I short the government? That’s the next big bubble to burst!
BTW, here’s a must read: Excerpted from The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine, by Michael Lewis
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Riots??
We are headed for some high rates and inflation, but I don’t believe the hysterics who claim that a Catastrophe (Dick Morris, I got the book but the Culture of Corruption was better but poorly timed) is imminent.
However, A number of incidents could ignite hyperinflation or virtually freeze our economy. For example, Iran could all but destroy our economy in the next few years by messing with the Straight of Hormuz.
I also understand that the oil states already have the proparation complete to replace the dollar for payments.
Not to worry, as we already have the leadership in place to be very comfy as a third world nation. And this has been true for some time.
IlikedAUH2O on March 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Usually around Earth Day there will be an article in the paper with a bio about a Recreation employee and what they have done to make their city “the most walkable, bikeable, green” etc.
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Short? My portfolio has looked like Napeoleon’s closet for so long that I have actually lost money. Not too much lost, though. And watch me go as the house of cards falls…
IlikedAUH2O on March 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM
What we have here is a case of the haves versus the have-nots.
This is a predatory government that has the power to feed on the citizen have-nots.
Parasite versus host calls for ballot box medicine.
Speakup on March 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Government Celebrates Takeover of Stimulus Bill http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/government-celebrates-takeover-of.html
Mervis Winter on March 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Well my cousin graduated with his degree in 1973 or 74 and that green jobs and green crapola hadn’t been invented yet. I believe he’s still working for Cumberland State Park in Kentucky. And trust me, he makes very little and no where near what that Federal pay is. The only upside is he’s given a small house to live in with his wife and 2 kids.
He loves what he’s doing even though he lives like a pauper.
Knucklehead on March 6, 2010 at 11:22 AM
LOL!
Read the excerpt I linked if you haven’t already. You’ll enjoy it.
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM
My maybe the Myans were right. Maybe everything blows up in 2012. I know what thing for sure, the situation across the board is unsustaiable.
There are lot of people buying all the gold they can get their hands on and I’m not talking about crazies in the woods with MRE stockpiles. I’m talking sophisticated people with a bleak outlook.
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM
The answer to this and the general question why do they make more is: 1) it’s other people’s money being spent and 2) the federal government has no bottom line. If fact, the federal government’s bottom line is infinitely negative (I know, $13+ trillion isn’t infinite, but it might as well be).
rockhead on March 6, 2010 at 11:34 AM
One group productive, the other counterproductive.
repvoter on March 6, 2010 at 11:46 AM
I just find this difficult to believe. I moved voluntarily from the private sector to the public sector, and I took about a 15% pay cut, and my benefits were substantially lower. If you’re wondering, my reasons for moving were simple frustration with the old job and wanting some additional job security as I moved towards retirement age. Many workers are willing to sacrifice some in pay for job security.
Log on March 6, 2010 at 11:46 AM
When the tick gets bigger than the dog it’s suckin’ on, either that dog has to kill that tick or that dog is gonna die.
That is an old saying that I just made up.
TheSitRep on March 6, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Just call Orkin is right.
Government work percent of national wealth produced: less than zero
Private work percent of national wealth produced: all of it minus costs of government.
Government consists of pure expense and needs to be limited. It becomes parasitic, straight up, when it ventures into areas it doesn’t belong.
Call Orkin!
forest on March 6, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Federal employees already had tuition reimbursement as a black letter benefit before Obama’s recent announcement. That might apply, however, only to classes they attend while employed. They are also provided with on-site day care for their kids or a day care allowance.
The most obnoxious benefit available to all 2 million GS federal employees is a “Retention Bonus” of 25% of their salary. If a federal employee is offered another job in either the public or private sector, their supervisor is authorized to put them in for a 25% bump in pay in order to keep “good” employees in the federal workforce. Who n the private sector, other than a handful of key executives, has access to a retention bonus as a black letter benefit?
The GS system is a combination of seniority and merit. In-grade pay increases are supposed to be merit based. Of the nearly 2 million federal employees in the GS system, only 400 didn’t get their “merit” increase. I think that figure makes it pretty clear that merit has nothing to do with it. I’m willing to bet that many of those 400 were, in fact, worthy of the raise but probably were on the receiving end of retribution from a jerk boss. In fact, that’s probably the only way you don’t get a “merit” raise. See, if a supervisor dings someone as not deserving a merit raise, there are probably all sorts of bureaucratic procedures to follow to get the employee up to par. Since that would mean more work for the boss, my guess is that most supervisors do the bureaucratic equivalent of social promotion in the schools and just about everyone who doesn’t severely piss off their boss gets a raise.
There are hundreds of thousands of federal employees who make more than $80K a year. The average federal employee (non-postal, non-military) is paid about $70,000 a year in salary, with a benefit package that just about doubles their total compensation. Most gov’t worker apologists like us to believe those salaries are high because of all the scientists at the CDC, but the USA Today article showed that even gov’t janitors make more than janitors who aren’t public employees.
rokemronnie on March 6, 2010 at 11:52 AM
I remember a certain politician not too long ago say that spreading the wealth around is good for everyone. I just didn’t know that what he meant was taking from the private sector and giving to the public sector.
Electrongod on March 6, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Sure they get paid more to produce no wealth, have better benefits and more job security, but at least Vogons are always pleasant and efficient.
forest on March 6, 2010 at 12:04 PM
When will we reach tipping point,where taxes collected won’t be enough to cover payroll costs?Or have we already reached that point?I’d like to see some economist do a breakdown on that.
At this time,there are more people employed by gov’t.than by the private sector,so where is the money coming from to pay the gov’t. employees?
Gee,I wonder why Socialism doesn’t work./sarc
DDT on March 6, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Like Cato on Carthage at the end of every speech, John Derbyshire exhorts us in almost every broadcast, “get a government job!”
Tzetzes on March 6, 2010 at 12:06 PM
OMG, does he remind me of somebody I know.
I sent a copy to my offspring.
IlikedAUH2O on March 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM
The Hotair crowd needs to be a bit more objective and far less trusting when it comes to this apples and oranges comparison done by a member of the MSM. I am a nuclear physicist who has been working for the Federal government for over 33 years and I find that most Federal workers are both competent and hard working. Politics often impedes Federal workers when trying to inject more common sense into bureaucracy, but we try. And, contrary to what you may think, starting pay and benefits for Federal workers hasn’t produced a stampede of younger Americans joining the Federal employment ranks. Because of this, the average age and years of service of Feds is very high and Federal agencies often employ experienced workers form commercial industry to fill vacant positions rather than hiring younger workers. Most agencies have also outsourced lower paying jobs. Because of these factors, the average pay has been steadily increasing. The real problem in the Federal bureaucracy is that it is far too large and inefficient in its use of resources. Until Congress gets off their butts and makes reforms that shrink government and removes the nonsense political rules that prevent Federal workers from achieving needed improvements in the efficiency and effectiveness of government, the structure of government will remain bloated and appear stupid to those who interact with it. My point is simple. Don’t join the class warfare that this MSM article is trying to create. Don’t blame the Federal workers who do the best that they can in a system that prevents them from doing what is best and right for America. We need to reduce the size of the Federal bureaucracy and make structural reforms. That will not be achieved by bashing honest Americans who are simply doing their best to make a difference working within the severe constraints that are placed on them in the Federal system.
NuclearPhysicist on March 6, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Words fail.
Midas on March 6, 2010 at 12:20 PM
A GS-15 attorney can earn well over $175,000 a year, and even more if he/she is in one of the federal regulatory agencies that has a 20% salary premium (these include most of the bank regulatory agencies and the SEC.) That may not measure up to a partner’s take in a big DC law firm, but then a civil servicer lawyer doesn’t have to work 70 hours a week, bring in business, and worry about being fired if the firm loses a few big clients. A government lawyer who works for 10 years or more can also get an entire month of vacation, which a lawyer in a private firm could never take.
I know several federal government lawyers, and they live very nice lifestyles, able to pay for large homes, private schoolls for their kids, vacation homes, etc. along with the cheap health insurance and great pensions. It sure beats the private sector these days.
rockmom on March 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM
It’s not like this is an issue we discovered the morning. It’s been building for years and it’s time for a new deal. This imbalance is bankrupting the States and the country.
It used to be people traded compensation for the job security and light work load that came with working in the public sector. Now there is no trade-off. You make more, have job security and work less.
The party is over. The people who support public sector employment are unwilling to put up with it any longer.
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2010 at 12:39 PM
TheBigOldDog et al:
So, push the politicians to make structural changes that reduce the size of the Federal bureaucracy and improve its efficiency and effectiveness. Most Federal workers would applaud such efforts. But, stop bashing workers. Its counterproductive and mean-spirited. Most Federal workers hate the stupidity of government as much as you do.
NuclearPhysicist on March 6, 2010 at 12:51 PM
As I sit here in my office doing tax returns on a beautiful Saturday afternoon in South Florida, your comment takes me back (way back!)to the days I was sitting for the CPA exam and struggling with the Government account problem. I can assure you that Government accounting is a totally different animal!
Ann on March 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Q: What do you call the recent layoffs (temporary) of 10,000 workers at the DOT?
A: A good start.
Mallard T. Drake on March 6, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Serfdom.
American Elephant on March 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Why the hell not? It makes me question the study at all, now.
Total compensation is what should be judged from the start.
Does that bump it up to 9 out of 10? 9.5 out of 10?
reaganaut on March 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Why? Many of them deserve it. Perhaps you’ve read about all the teachers that were just fired in Rhode Island.
Many government workers have become are every bit as arrogant and act as entitled as the corrupt politicians who got them their jobs. It’s all part of the same corruption.
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Nuc and Dog: I would like to see some federal employees speak out about being over paid and over retirement funded. We do need a structural change to cut into the number of government employees or our fate is sealed.
GaltBlvnAtty on March 6, 2010 at 1:44 PM
These are in partnership with the Democratic party. They are the same people using the resources of their government jobs illegally to help Dems win election or re-election. They are the same people who know large chunks of their union dues flow right into the coffers of the DNC.
The current system is corrupt to the core. It’s killing the country and it’s generating extraordinary anger among the people being forced through to pay for it through confiscation of their income.
For every “good one” there’s probably 100 “bad ones.”
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Yes, at some point the people are not going to put up with this. I don’t know the form of action, but there will be some action, because this is an outrage.
GaltBlvnAtty on March 6, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Unless you break it down between agencies and whether the personnel are military, this analysis is useless.
“Public relations” personnel could be military Public Affairs Officers. Those are often stationed in combat zones and they face long, 24/7 deployments.
The clergy are clearly military. They get paid the same as other officers and most of them accompany troops in charming areas like Afghanistan or Iraq.
The cooks are also likely military, for the most part, slinging three meals a day, seven days a week at times. Or the White House chef.
On the ship I was on, we also had enlisted guys who worked in the laundry. Again, 24/7 deployment. Or should we have each guy on a ship go to a landromat?
How about they break the salaries down by per hour? Again, military guys often work 85+ hours per week and even on shore, they stand 24 hour watches.
This is garbage put out by the hacks at USA Today.
NoDonkey on March 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM
The decency of the men being given the Americans’ resources for living seems irrelevant.
Kralizec on March 6, 2010 at 2:24 PM
This pisses me off to no end…census wrkers are getting 20/hr…That job requires no experience or skill FFS.
daesleeper on March 6, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Maybe I missed it, but I can’t find any info in the HackToday, I mean USA Today, article that would allow anyone to find the specific report that the article is using (USA Today did a similar class-warfare piece a few months ago on the supposed federal salary discrepancy).
As a civil service employee, and a manager, there are a number of obvious holes in this article. Though without access to the original report/data, it’s hard to draw any meaningful conclusions. I’m amazed that the bias here is so strong that folks will take at face value an MSM article, particularly from a source such as USA Today.
(And the commenter above is wrong, there is no blanket 25% retention bonus across the gov’t; there may be a program in certain hard-to-fill jobs, but that would be it. The military does use retention bonuses for pilots and other critical skills.)
- The article first has self-selected a handful of jobs to compare. This tells us nothing, really, as the writer may have chosen those jobs with the biggest disparity – thrown in a few opposite examples for appearance’s sake – to create the biggest shock value.
- The article compares “nationwide” salaries. Yet, we have no insight into the geographic locations used in comparison. Some jobs are also in combat zones or otherwise deployed (yes, including non-military civil service).
- The article states that the statistics come from 216 jobs types with public-private equivalents. But it also notes in passing that an additional 124 Fed job types have no private equivalent. This means that the total number of categories at issue is 340… but more than 1/4 of those don’t even have a private equivalent. Concluding then, that the whole of the public sector is better-paid is somewhat of a leap (even though the article is implying as much).
- Even with those job types with a rough equivalent, it is apples and oranges in many cases. And the mission of a gov’t organization is different. I work in acquisition for large multimillion dollar contracts, and can tell you that my industry counterparts on the other side of the negotiation table earn more than me, with comparable benefits. Same goes for most of my co-workers (who are engineers, accountants, etc)
- Over the past 10 years or so, many Federal jobs were privatized through A-76 competitions and similar programs. Much of my office consists of support contractors who provide technical and other support. Experience has shown that there are rarely cost savings with outsourcing in many cases. And important oversight of programs and procurement contracts was lost since the outsourced contractors could not legally make decisions for the gov’t and ultimately are responsible only to their company.
- I do not have any sort of sweetheart retirement package. I have a 401(k) type plan, social security, and a pittance of a pension that is mostly funded by what I put in.
We’re all just ordinary Americans no better or worse than any of you. We work as hard, or not as hard, as any of you. We do the best we can to earn a living for our families and to do well at what we were hired to do. I see no reason for the seething, hateful comments here. I am not Obama (and as others have noted, Obama did not create the Federal workforce or the Federal employment system anyway) so please direct your disgust at Obama towards him and his allies.
84fiero on March 6, 2010 at 4:07 PM
No. I do not think you are well-informed on this matter, Ed. For one thing, you have stated that that AFSCME has a death grip on the Federal workplace. AFSCME is the union for State and County Municipal Employees.
I work for a Federal Agency. My Regional Office employs about 2500 people. Of that, AFGE, the American Federation of Government Employees (NOT SEIU or AFSCME) boasts several dozen members. The Union Steward sends out snarky “newsletters” periodically, complaining about how no one ever joins the union.
Just because there is a Federal employees union doesn’t mean anyone cares about it. AFGE has a vested interest in making you believe they have a large and loyal membership. They do not, as far as I know, release specific, verifiable, numbers.
entropent on March 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM
Yes, but they shouldn’t be making more than someone with equivalent responsiblities in the private sector, or for that matter any less. It’s the $30,000 benefit discrepency that irks me.
uknowmorethanme on March 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Yes = No
My bad.
uknowmorethanme on March 6, 2010 at 4:40 PM
You’re talking about military retirees also?
hawkdriver on March 6, 2010 at 5:12 PM
A quote attributed to Margaret Thatcher goes along the lines of
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money [to spend].”
or
“Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples’ money [to spend].”
These leeches all vote for themselves. Throw them out in Nov. and again in 2012, and 2014, so long as you still can. It’s now, or NEVER.
Schadenfreude on March 6, 2010 at 6:18 PM
It’s always the moochers/looters against the producers.
Schadenfreude on March 6, 2010 at 6:18 PM
The voters have the power to make change this November. Fire the big spending Congressmen and Senators and replace them with people who are not afraid of the big bad SEIU wolf. If you do not, do not blame the Federal employees for taking the money the people you elected offer them–you would probably take it too, if you could.
KW64 on March 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM
U.S. CEO’s better watch their backs; Congress will vote itself higher pay than them.
Cybergeezer on March 6, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Learn paragraphing, Mr. Wall o’ Text.
fossten on March 6, 2010 at 10:13 PM
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