Surprise! Byrd endorses reconciliation

posted at 12:55 pm on March 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Conservatives have made hay over Robert Byrd’s opposition last year to using the reconciliation process he helped create for passing ObamaCare.  It didn’t take a Bill Belichick to figure out the countertactic to this, which was to get Byrd to endorse reconciliation in 2010.  As Zachary Wolf reports at ABC, he has — but with a caveat:

The man who wrote Senate reconciliation rules now says Democrats can use the procedure for health reform as long as the Senate-passed bill is used as the basis. …

But in a letter to the Charleston Daily Mail, the 92 year-old, rarely seen-these-days Senator says reconciliation can be used to “find savings” and fix the Senate reform bill.

He says  the bill already passed the Senate by a 60-vote supermajority, so it does not need to again.

So it sounds like Byrd doesn’t like the idea of using reconciliation to change policy in the Senate bill, but he does endorse using it to work toward reducing the deficit. It is a little unclear how that Democrats will sell the fix-its as savings since all indications are that the tweaks proposed by President Obama could make the bill more expensive. A final cost estimate from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has not yet been released.

Wolf has the entire letter Byrd sent to the Daily Mail, which actually draws the limitations more narrowly.  Byrd says that the reconciliation process can only get used for budgetary improvements related to a bill that has passed into law, not to rework ObamaCare on other policy points.  That would include, for instance, tax policies such as the Cadillac-plan tax and the high-income surtax that House Democrats want to use to replace it.  It won’t necessarily allow for issues like adding a public option, or for that matter expanding the use of high-deductible accounts and HSAs.

If the House passes a separate bill, though, this means that Byrd’s objection stands.  A new bill would have to go through the full Senate process — or go to a conference committee.  Byrd’s letter does not explicitly state this, but his argument is entirely predicated on the assumption that the Senate bill is the one that makes it into law.

Otherwise, Byrd explains that his previous opposition to reconciliation was for using it to pass the whole bill the first time around.  Given that both Democrats and Republicans have used reconciliation for tax policy in the past, that’s consistent with Byrd’s actions and statements. It serves as a good reminder to make sure that advocates carefully check context before using quotes to argue hypocrisy.

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Senility is a b*tch.

Pcoop on March 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Well, hey, as long as Sheets is on board.

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

What am I signing, Radar?

Mr. D on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

I’m surprised he still gets around to his cross burnings.

chunderroad on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Yup… I called it. First they pass the bill to have government take control of health care, then they use reconciliation to pass any and all future expansions because now it’s a “budget problem”.

ROGUE
GOVERNMENT

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Anything less would be segregationist.

Christien on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

$10 says he lives out his term and gets re-elected.

uknowmorethanme on March 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM

The Grand Wizard has spoken.

UltimateBob on March 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Rules, are for Republicans.

Speakup on March 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM

MORE POPCORN!

percysunshine on March 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Does ObamaCare cover pointy hoods?

JammieWearingFool on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

So who wrote the letter, and guided Byrds hand into signing it?

Also…how much arm twisting is going on at the CBO?

capejasmine on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

That pic on the front page looks like he’s giving someone a first class a$$ chewing.

txsurveyor on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Poster child for term limits.

Mallard T. Drake on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Yup… I called it. First they pass the bill to have government take control of health care, then they use reconciliation to pass any and all future expansions because now it’s a “budget problem”.

ROGUE
GOVERNMENT

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Expansions cost money and that’s not what budget reconciliation is for. Did you read past the headline?

uknowmorethanme on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Who’s pulling Byrd’s strings?

Knucklehead on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

He has no clue what he is saying. The people that prop him up also write his script.
What an embarrassment.

FireBlogger on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Kleagle.

Akzed on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Reminds me.

We All Declare for Liberty
We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name – liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.

Speakup on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

I knew it was a letter. Like Strom Thurmond at 100 used to write
letters.

Marcus on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Is this anything like Woodward’s various death bed interviews?

MarkTheGreat on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Beyond Byrd’s eloquent oration and odes to the Constitution, he’s nothing but a slimy, lock step leftist with a racist past.

rplat on March 5, 2010 at 1:05 PM

$10 says he lives out his term and gets re-elected.

uknowmorethanme on March 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM

The guy is 92 years old.

His past is, shall we say, “checkered.”

He can barely hold his head up during hearings; his thoughts and speech are barely coherent.

In other words, you’re probably right. He’s a shoe-in.

UltimateBob on March 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM

He says the bill already passed the Senate by a 60-vote supermajority, so it does not need to again

Umm, it did not pass with 60 votes, they had 60 votes to end the filibuster.

Monkeytoe on March 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM

The guy doesn’t know up from down at this point.

milemarker2020 on March 5, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Pass it for Teddy Byrd!

MeatHeadinCA on March 5, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Let’s get serious here. Byrd has probably been dead for a year…and he most assuredly isn’t writing letters or making speeches. Some young whipper-shapper on his staff is writing everything over his rubber stamped signature.

He has both feet in the coffin and they’re trying to slam it shut. Senile is just toooo nice a word to use when referring to the former KKKer.

Bury him, whether he likes it or not.

GoldenEagle4444 on March 5, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Barbaric!!!!!!!!

Hening on March 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM

How about a reconciliation bill requiring congresspeople over 80 to pass an annual mental competency test.

pedestrian on March 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM

If the House passes a separate bill, though, this means that Byrd’s objection stands. A new bill would have to go through the full Senate process — or go to a conference committee.

Ping pong is an interesting game…

percysunshine on March 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM

UltimateBob on March 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM

ROFLMAO!!! I sure needed a laugh, and that did it. LOL

capejasmine on March 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Conservatives have made hay over Robert Byrd’s opposition last year to using the reconciliation process he helped create for passing ObamaCare.

That’s why you never use the arguments of a lying scumbag, like Byrd. This was inevitable. Byrd had to make a disingenuous fool of himself to get back in line with affirmative action. As if Byrd could go against The Precedent … LOL.

neurosculptor on March 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM

So who wrote the letter, and guided Byrds hand into signing it?
Also…how much arm twisting is going on at the CBO?

capejasmine on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

I seriously doubt he even knows about “his” letter.

TXUS on March 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM

What am I signing, Radar?

Mr. D on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

+10,000

Oink on March 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Ed, your article doesn’t exactly match your headline…

It should be “Surprise! Byrd endorses reconciliation… sort of” or something…

ninjapirate on March 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

See the Jay Cost link at HA’s headlines. Very scary… why? Because Granny Rictus Pelosi has all year to threaten just a few Demotards into voting yes on the Senate bill, and then it’s over. We’re finished as a republic. Reconciliation becomes moot.

The Demotards have had wide majorities for years in the Congress, so the passage of Hellcare was inevitable from the outset. It may not start as single-payer but it will end there. Pelosi has until January 11, 2011 to get her way. The time between the November elections and the close of the current Congress will be especially perilous.

George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I’d like to see him actually say this… until then…someone is manipulating this…

CCRWM on March 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Does Byrd even know what day it is?

GarandFan on March 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM

That pic on the front page looks like he’s giving someone a first class a$$ chewing.

txsurveyor on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

circa 1985

DanMan on March 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM

You know, it really doesn’t matter. Obama himself spoke out against reconciliation and so did HRC, Harry Reid, etc. when the shoe was on the other foot.

While this country slept, we allowed leftists and socialists to take over the country.

Oink on March 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Rules, are for Republicans the ‘Law Abiding.’.

Speakup on March 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Sorry, i’ve seen too many Republicans piss on rules. That’s why I call myself a Conservative.

PappaMac on March 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM

But wait, aren’t the libs putting in place rules and precedents that will make it very easy to repeal the whole mess with 50+1 votes?

And if we can point to the precedent of aggressive, partisan populism in the era of Obama, can we not rush full steam ahead and — for the first time ever — start the work of seriously dismanting the disaster that libs shamelessly dubbed “the great society”?

Cram down is our rally cry!

jeff_from_mpls on March 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

What am I signing, Radar?

Mr. D on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Ha! Awesome.

SlimyBill on March 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

One final slap at the unborn from soon deceased Senate icon Robert KKK Byrd.

The Caliph will do for the unborn nationally what he did for them in Illinois (with the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act”) with this Obamacare.

Thank you Bobby Byrd!!!!!

PappyD61 on March 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Expansions cost money and that’s not what budget reconciliation is for. Did you read past the headline?

uknowmorethanme on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Really… monetary issues aren’t what budgetary reconciliation is for?

That’s how the previous medicare EXPANSIONS got passed. Some by Republicans. Because the anticipated costs for the expansions were a “budgetary” issue to an existing entitlement.

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Rahm: “Put the pen in his hand. Put this paper underneath it. Axelrod, you tickle him.”

portlandon on March 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Byrd says that the reconciliation process can only get used for budgetary improvements related to a bill that has passed into law, not to rework ObamaCare on other policy points.

That’s the problem. The Senate bill has to be passed into law. The House would have to vote for the non-Stupak, Cornhusker Kickback Senate version first.

They don’t want to have to defend that vote in the fall with a “well, then I reversed [read: flip-flopped] my vote on reconciliation, so I’m good now.”

Wethal on March 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM

What happened to the bill Obozo produced??? I think this chaos is designed to keep us all flustered and worn out… Did that get dropped because it would then need cloture? I’m confused…

CCRWM on March 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM

I suspect that Earflaps McBaritone, with his unicorn hooves up on the desk in the Oval Office, will veto any repeal of Obamacare. In fact, I’ll put real money on that wager.

There is no way a 2011 Congress will have the votes to achieve a veto override.

George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Is Byrd still alive? A “ghost” writer wrote his letter maybe?

iamsaved on March 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM

I knew it was a letter. Like Strom Thurmond at 100 used to write
letters.

Marcus on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Or like Ted Kennedy, in his waning days, from his hospital bed “wrote” a lengthy letter urging the Massachusetts legislature to overturn the law they’d passed just a few years earlier when Romney was in office, to allow a governor to appoint an interim senator, because Health Care Reform just couldn’t wait.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Is Byrd still alive? A “ghost” writer wrote his letter maybe?

I’m Zombie Robert Byrd, and I approve of this letter.

George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:18 PM

I’m with Rush on this reconcilation process. The reconcilation in the Senate means nothing. IT IS A DISTRACTION! This must be stopped in the House PERIOD!

Dire Straits on March 5, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Pelosi only has one way out of this trap. I wonder if she can find it…ok, she could start shooting Congressmen, but that does not count.

percysunshine on March 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Anyone else get the feeling that the House is going to get played and the Senate has never considered using Reconciliation once the bill gets through the House?

cpaulus on March 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Is Byrd still alive? A “ghost” writer wrote his letter maybe?

I’m Zombie Robert Byrd, and I approve of this letter.

George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:18 PM

My first impression of this thread was exactly that. How do we know Byrd even said anything?

Maybe it is like the movie ‘Dave’, where they get a lookalike mouthpiece…

percysunshine on March 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Anyone else get the feeling that the House is going to get played and the Senate has never considered using Reconciliation once the bill gets through the House?

cpaulus on March 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Yes!

Dire Straits on March 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Does ObamaCare cover pointy hoods?

JammieWearingFool on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Does ObamaCare cover pointy heads?

davidk on March 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Man I love that picture of the Kleagle!

conservnut on March 5, 2010 at 1:24 PM

“rarely seen-these-days Senator”

 
And you don’t see a story there, ABC?

rogerb on March 5, 2010 at 1:24 PM

It really doesn’t matter if reconciliation happens… if it does, the House must pass the current Senate bill first, and once they do, Barry signs the current Senate bill as approved by the House, and socialized medicine is permanent law. Virtually impossible to roll back, and we get 8 to 10 percent unemployment baked into the system, along with EU growth rates. And medicine grinds to a halt.

George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:24 PM

You mean one of Byrd’s aides endorsed reconciliation. There isn’t enough awareness left in Byrd for him to make such a decision on his own.

wildcat84 on March 5, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Watching him reminds me of “Weekend at Bernie’s”.

BallisticBob on March 5, 2010 at 1:25 PM

But wait, aren’t the libs putting in place rules and precedents that will make it very easy to repeal the whole mess with 50+1 votes?

jeff_from_mpls on March 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Only the “fixes” are passed by 50+1. So only the “fixes” can be eliminated by 50+1. Which would merely get us back to the health care bill as passed by the senate.

MarkTheGreat on March 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Anyone else get the feeling that the House is going to get played and the Senate has never considered using Reconciliation once the bill gets through the House?

cpaulus on March 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM

That is EXACTLY what is going to happen if the house votes for the senate bill. Once that happens, Obama can sign it, and as far as he and the senate are concerned, Obamacare is done, why should they incur additional wrath by doing reconciliation?

wildcat84 on March 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Sir, Senator Byrd, you need to wake up and sign this.

“Whaaaat? Wassa? Oh, who are you?”

I’m your aide, sir.

“Paid? I don’t have any money.”

Bishop on March 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Byrd must be in an animated coma.

BottomLine5 on March 5, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Rahm: “Put the pen in his hand. Put this paper underneath it. Axelrod, you tickle him.”

portlandon on March 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM

ROFLMAO!!! OMG!!!

Isn’t that assuming the man still has a working nervous system? LOL

capejasmine on March 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Does ObamaCare cover pointy hoods?

JammieWearingFool on March 5, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Only if they are white… to match the lab coats.

ya2daup on March 5, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Anyone else get the feeling that the House is going to get played and the Senate has never considered using Reconciliation once the bill gets through the House?

cpaulus on March 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM

That’s exactly the plan. Oh, 51 senators might sign some letter commiting to certain changes in general terms but enough will coveniently retract their commitment to recon once actual, specific legislative language is drafted. And, yes, there’ll be some PO’d house members but Pelosi/Hoyer won’t care.

TXUS on March 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM

circa 1985

circa 1895

reaganaut on March 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Two words: Manadatory retirement age for senators.

OK, two words as spoken by Joe Biden.

angryed on March 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Assuming Sen. Byrd wrote the letter and this is what he believes & will do

1) This requires the House to pass the Senate bill as is, relying on the Senate to make promised changes
2) The Senate bill has government funding of abortion language
3) Is #2 going to be considered a budget issue (open to reconciliation) or a policy issue (not available for reconciliation). I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts it’ll be the latter.

Stupak Democrats, don’t fall for Senate Democrats’ promises on abortion.

It’s a trap!

rbj on March 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Just Remember what Robert Byrd said in 2005 about reconciliation:

Many times in our history we have taken up arms to protect a minority against the tyrannical majority in other lands. We, unlike Nazi Germany or Mussolini’s Italy, have never stopped being a nation of laws, not of men.

But witness how men with motives and a majority can manipulate law to cruel and unjust ends. Historian Alan Bullock writes that Hitler’s dictatorship rested on the constitutional foundation of a single law, the Enabling Law. Hitler needed a two-thirds vote to pass that law, and he cajoled his opposition in the Reichstag to support it. Bullock writes that “Hitler was prepared to promise anything to get his bill through, with the appearances of legality preserved intact.” And he succeeded.

Hitler’s originality lay in his realization that effective revolutions, in modern conditions, are carried out with, and not against, the power of the State: the correct order of events was first to secure access to that power and then begin his revolution. Hitler never abandoned the cloak of legality; he recognized the enormous psychological value of having the law on his side. Instead, he turned the law inside out and made illegality legal.

Chip on March 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Well you know he was against it before he was for it or something like that….

Dr Evil on March 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Chip on March 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Cloaks of legality are all the rage in Democrat chambers these days.

George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Here is Senator “Sheets” Byrd at his best.

Dire Straits on March 5, 2010 at 1:37 PM

But wait, aren’t the libs putting in place rules and precedents that will make it very easy to repeal the whole mess with 50+1 votes?

And if we can point to the precedent of aggressive, partisan populism in the era of Obama, can we not rush full steam ahead and — for the first time ever — start the work of seriously dismanting the disaster that libs shamelessly dubbed “the great society”?

Cram down is our rally cry!

jeff_from_mpls on March 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

hmmmm

funky chicken on March 5, 2010 at 1:37 PM

1. We are governed by the written Law, but the Law is so confusing, Robert Byrd alone understands it.

2. We are governed by Robert Byrd’s whim.

Which is it?

Chris_Balsz on March 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM

I thought this guy – Byrd – was dead(!) O.K., I thought this guy was brain dead.

I was going to pose the question: Should brain-dead people even be allowed to vote on legislation – and then the answer hit me….If not, then we’d have damn few people in D.C. in either house (Reps/Senate) who would have voting privileges.

alwyr on March 5, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Except all the items I’ve seen considered for the reconciliation bill are spending increase and tax cuts.

Chuck Schick on March 5, 2010 at 1:40 PM

I must say it again . . . Byrd is nothing but another lock step leftist who uses flowery rhetoric as a means of control.

rplat on March 5, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Weekend at Bernie’s Byrd’s

KeepOhioRed on March 5, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Chip on March 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Cloaks of legality are all the rage in Democrat chambers these days.
George Orwell on March 5, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Cloaks or Sheets, whatever works for them I guess.

Chip on March 5, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Yeah well he also endorsed the KKK at one time.

TrickyDick on March 5, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Speakup on March 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

And this:

The Grecians and Romans were strongly possessed of the spirit of liberty but not the principle, for at the time they were determined not to be slaves themselves, they employed their power to enslave the rest of mankind.

INC on March 5, 2010 at 1:49 PM

Robert Byrd was in the KKK. The fact that he is in the Senate is messed up. The people of West Virginia should be ashamed.

July 10 on March 5, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Term limits anyone?

MCGIRV on March 5, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Even the FBI asks kidnappers for proof of life. Don’t we have the same right? Cause until I see it, I am not wholly believing it.

di butler on March 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM

He wrote by the light of a burning cross.

SouthernGent on March 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM

HEY i AM SITTING IN BLEACHERS at mac brown rally

waiting for them to come on
full house

PS Byrd SUCKS he is the one who stopped Big Dawg from using reconciliation in 94!!! dammit!!!

frakkers….

ginaswo on March 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Yeah well he also endorsed the KKK at one time.

TrickyDick on March 5, 2010 at 1:45 PM

That’s right. And if I may channel the mind-reading expertise of Maureen Dowd for a moment, I can tell that, in the screencap photo, Sheets Byrd is saying, “There’s a n_____! Raht heya on the flo of the Senate!” He’s having a dementia related flashback. I don’t know how I know it. You’d have to ask Modo about the phenomenology of mind-reading.

smellthecoffee on March 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM

What am I signing, Radar?

Mr. D on March 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM
+10,000

Oink on March 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

yeah, that was good!

bernzright777 on March 5, 2010 at 1:55 PM

That’s right. And if I may channel the mind-reading expertise of Maureen Dowd for a moment, I can tell that, in the screencap photo, Sheets Byrd is saying, “There’s a n_____! Raht heya on the flo of the Senate!” He’s having a dementia related flashback. I don’t know how I know it. You’d have to ask Modo about the phenomenology of mind-reading.

smellthecoffee on March 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Or maybe he just spotted Obama and Byrd’s handlers then had to explain to him what decade it currently is!

sharrukin on March 5, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Here’s to hoping that the Klansman of the Senate joins the former Lion of the Senate…one less reconciliation vote.

jwp1964 on March 5, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Big whoop. He also endorsed the KKK.

t.ferg on March 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Byrd is staunchly opposed to Senate obstructionism, except when those uppity black people are pushing for absurd things like the right to vote.

RINO in Name Only on March 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Weekend at Bernie’s Byrdie’s

parteagirl on March 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM

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