New House Dem strategy on ObamaCare: hostaging

posted at 2:20 pm on March 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The distrust between House and Senate Democrats has produced a new innovation in the strategy to produce a health-care reform bill.  Worried that the White House has plans to simply sign the Senate bill and skip reconciliation that would address concerns from the lower chamber, Democrats now want to consider passing the Senate bill but keeping it in hand to force the Senate to act on reconciliation first.  Jon Ward reports for the Daily Caller that this may be within parliamentary procedure:

Chances for a health-care bill grew dimmer on Thursday, by most indications, but House Democrats may have found a way to force the Senate to work with them that would remove a key roadblock to passing the reform desired by President Obama.

Call it a “hold-plus-reconciliation” strategy.

The House could pass the Senate bill as is, then hold it in their chamber instead of sending it to the president so he could sign it into law. That bill, passed but not out of the House’s hands, would be the leverage to bring the Senate to the table.

Many House Democrats who dislike the Senate bill fear that the upper chamber would pay lip service to making improvements through reconciliation, only to back away from promises after the House passed the Senate bill.

“We don’t trust the Senate to do anything they say they’re going to do,” Rep. Anthony Weiner, New York Democrat, told The Daily Caller.

In other words, they want to hold the bill hostage to get reconciliation accomplished in parallel.  It’s a novel approach, but one that exposes a deep mistrust between the two chambers.  If House Democrats can’t trust their Senate colleagues, should we trust either group?

Can this work?  In Article I Section 7, the US Constitution requires that Presidents must veto bills within ten days of Congress presenting them in order to keep them from becoming law.   After ten days, a bill becomes law with or without a presidential signature, unless Congress goes out of session in that period, in which case a failure to sign  the bill would act as a veto.  It was this clause that kept Presidents from traveling abroad while Congress was in session before the airplane.  However, there is no definition of a time frame for presenting the bill to the White House, so arguably Nancy Pelosi could hold the bill until the end of the current session — in December.

This becomes an interesting question for the Senate parliamentarian, however.  Can the Senate amend a law that doesn’t exist, with or without reconciliation?  For that matter, can the House?  Ward’s source believes that both can:

The question is whether Congress can work on legislation that changes a bill that has not yet been signed into law.

While Democrats did not appear to have reached a conclusion on Thursday, parlimentarian experts on the House Republican side with decades of experience told The Daily Caller that it could be done.

Allahpundit and I have both considered the idea of a last-minute betrayal of House progressives by Barack Obama to be rather unlikely.  It seems that House progressives don’t hold their colleagues and their President in the same regard.  In reaction, they’re reaching far down into their bag of tricks to get a deeply unpopular bill passed in this session — for which voters will hold them in even lower regard at the midterms.

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Wow. We don’t trust them at all…and they don’t trust each other. Anyone see a problem with this picture?????

search4truth on March 5, 2010 at 2:24 PM

There’s just no end to this three ring circus, is there?

capejasmine on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

What does it say about our Congress and the filthy lying coward in the White House that Congressional Rats don’t trust Senate Rats enough to work with them on undermining the nation.

highhopes on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Democrats now want to consider passing the Senate bill but keeping it in hand to force the Senate to act on reconciliation first. Jon Ward reports for the Daily Caller that this may be within parliamentary procedure:

Well, this is legal, at least, unlike the attempt to use reconciliation on a law that doesn’t exist.

This nation is going to explode, no matter what. The dems will see to that.

neurosculptor on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Wow. And all these nutbags control the government.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

for which voters will hold them in even lower regard at the midterms.

How low can they go… how low can they go!

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

..oh great! The old “reverse-pocket-veto” trick.

Is it me, or are these people twisign themselves into pretzels because they like to?

VoyskaPVO on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

The House could pass the Senate bill as is, then hold it in their chamber instead of sending it to the president so he could sign it into law. That bill, passed but not out of the House’s hands, would be the leverage to bring the Senate to the table.

Couldn’t the GOP offer endless amendments in the Senate which would make reconciliation take forever? Meanwhile the House bill, even without being signed into law by Obama, would effectively be passed and the stench of corruption surrounding the bribes and kickbacks would now attach itself to House members as well.

It’s a dangerous political strategery. Then again, so is ramming through a government healthcare bill 3/4 of the country doesn’t want.

Doughboy on March 5, 2010 at 2:26 PM

the idea of a last-minute betrayal of House progressives by Barack Obama to be rather unlikely.

BZZZZZZ! Wrong! But thanks for playing!

These people have no honor. Their word is worthless. They will lie to each other as quickly as Groucho and the Three Stooges would slip on banana peels.

honsy on March 5, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Britney Spears at age 70, still lipsinking to “Oops, I did it again” on the Health Care bill!

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Surely our Constitutional Professor/Scholar president won’t allow them to sidestep proper legislative mechanics, though.

rogerb on March 5, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Hmmm… dems in the house, and dems in the senate, trying to find a way to work together and get something done. This sounds like a truly Bi-Partisan approach.

singlemalt_18 on March 5, 2010 at 2:27 PM

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:27 PM

What sucks worse than this healthcare bill.

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

So the idea is to put Obamacare on a dead-mans switch… Either reconcile it by November, or it will detonate after the mid-term elections… This provides cover for the far-left with their base by allowing them to claim they are working on ‘solving’ the issues with the ‘not-socialist enough’ Senate version.

Legislative Jeeeeehod

phreshone on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

After ten days, a bill becomes law with or without a presidential signature, unless Congress goes out of session in that period, in which case a failure to sign the bill would act as a veto.

This make none of this true then. If the House passes 0bamacare as is from the Senate, but they hold it hostage then it will automatically become law without Obowa’s signature. This is all a distraction.

SouthernGent on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

How low can they go… how low can they go!

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Low enough to need an umbrella so the ants can’t piss on you?

Knucklehead on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

What sucks worse than this healthcare bill.

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

If I said what I was thinking… I would get banned!

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

This strategy is admittedly tricky, perhaps even Machiavellian, but how does it make Pelosi any more able to sell this stinking bill to reluctant House Democrats? She’ll strongarm them into a vote on the promise that she’ll hold the bill in her pocket? And she thinks they would believe her and not think they would get doublecrossed? I don’t buy it, and if I were in the position of a Blue Dog Democrat I wouldn’t buy it either.

jwolf on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Caption Contest!
lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

I called it yesterday, it’s the Nancy Von Raschke claw and she is going to use it to cause pain to the GOP.

Bishop on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Couldn’t the GOP offer endless amendments in the Senate which would make reconciliation take forever? Meanwhile the House bill, even without being signed into law by Obama, would effectively be passed and the stench of corruption surrounding the bribes and kickbacks would now attach itself to House members as well.

It’s a dangerous political strategery. Then again, so is ramming through a government healthcare bill 3/4 of the country doesn’t want.

Doughboy on March 5, 2010 at 2:26 PM

That’s another thing the House Dems are worried about. And they still have to face GOP campaign ads in the fall emphasizing their votes for a no-Stupak, Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase Senate bill.

The Dems’ lame response would be to explain they voted for it before they voted against it, but their first vote didn’t mean anything…but please send me back to Congress and trust my judgment.

Wethal on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Again, will abortion language be allowed to be changed in the Senate under reconciliation (budget item, yes. policy item, no, as per Byrd’s letter.) If not, will the Stupak gang fall in line with the Fascist-Democrats and give up on abortion?

Will Senate Democrats “try” abortion reconciliation, but gosh golly just not be able to get it done, so sorry Stupakers?

rbj on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Knucklehead on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

More like Pond Scum oozing slime.

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

The Dems have destroyed our system of governance…there is going to trouble.

d1carter on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

What’s to stop Nancy Pelosi from sending the bill to the President at any time? Do the vulnerable House members trust HER?

capricorn on March 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Allahpundit and I have both considered the idea of a last-minute betrayal of House progressives by Barack Obama to be rather unlikely.

I don’t know why you consider this move unlikely when ‘thrown under the bus’ has entered the common vernacular. He would do it and heap abuse & blame upon anyone and everyone who objected, while pitying himself and claiming that his greatness is not recognized. Admit it – only too easy to picture.

perries on March 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Allahpundit and I have both considered the idea of a last-minute betrayal of House progressives by Barack Obama to be rather unlikely.

Wrong. Seems like the House Dems know exactly who they are dealing with. Wish you guys would as well.

javamartini on March 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM

for which voters will hold them in even lower regard at the midterms.

They’re at 14% popularity now. How much lower can it honestly go?

notropis on March 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM

we must have great minds thinking alike, javamartini.

perries on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

And she thinks they would believe her and not think they would get doublecrossed? I don’t buy it, and if I were in the position of a Blue Dog Democrat I wouldn’t buy it either.

jwolf on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Since she could be replaced by Hoyer if she lost the House, which looks very likely, she doesn’t have as much clout now as she used to. Her threats and bribes expire at the end of the year.

Wethal on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Not pithy enough to be a caption, but maybe an omen — those four American flags look like they’re about to fall on Nancy and crush her beneath.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks, Stalinists and Trotskyists.

When have they ever trusted each other?

sharrukin on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Wethal on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Okay, honest question. When did she ever have clout?

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

So let me get this right. Reconciliation is supposed to fix Budgetary defects in Legislation… now Reconciliation is gonna be passed before the Legislation that the procedure is meant to cure. Only in Bss Ackwards Obama Ville

roflmao

donabernathy on March 5, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

So there I was in the Oval Office doing the Oval Orifice for him with his thing in my hand, when in walks Michelle…

Daggett on March 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM

We cannot reply on November elections or on repeal. Once this thing is passed, it cannot be easily repealed unless we get 60 votes in the Senate. Not likely, so we have to stop this monster now.

immigrantchick on March 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM

— those four American flags look like they’re about to fall on Nancy and crush her beneath.
 
ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

 
OH LAWD, MAH HEAD! CALL AN AMBA-LANCE!

rogerb on March 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM

That’s another thing the House Dems are worried about. And they still have to face GOP campaign ads in the fall emphasizing their votes for a no-Stupak, Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase Senate bill.

The Dems’ lame response would be to explain they voted for it before they voted against it, but their first vote didn’t mean anything…but please send me back to Congress and trust my judgment.

Wethal on March 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Yeah, good luck convincing the people back home that you only meant to vote for the good stuff in the bill. It’s worked out great for Ben Nelson. Dude can’t even get pizza in his hometown anymore.

Doughboy on March 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM

I meant we cannot RELY, not reply. Sorry.

immigrantchick on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks, Stalinists and Trotskyists.

When have they ever trusted each other?

sharrukin on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Usually, right before a 9 mm headache.

jwolf on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Where are the trolls in all of these machinations?
At least we could get a read on what going on in Far-left national socialists circles by their asinine comments,while also having fun ripping them to shreds (the comments I mean).

If they had the votes, the trolls would out and about will all manner of gloating insults about how we’ve lost our freedoms and liberties, etc.

If there’s no hope the will blame it on Boosh or Racism or Boosh’s Racism to greatly simplify things, and soon we will be treated to their invective, calling all of us “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei”’s and such.

Chip on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Caption Contest!
lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

“I eat suppositories for breakfast and they taste good “

macncheez on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

yeah, i don’t think Nancy has the power she had 6 mos. ago. she has twisted alot of arms during this whole process–will all the arms stay twisted? sure, the ones where she blackmails. of course, she might have dirt on them all.

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Has the president vetoed anything?

tomas on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

if nancy passes the Senate version, it only becomes law 1: the President signs it or 2: the President doesn’t sign it within 10 days of the bill being presented to him; so she could keep it in her office until the end of this Congress (oh gawd, will it never end).

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM

I bet that whatever this mechanism is, Pelosi has the say on the way the bill goes to the President. And you can bet your last dollar that she will see the Senate Bill simply signed into law if the Senate runs into trouble.

I don’t see how this helps uncertain Dems at all. Do they trust Pelosi more than the Senate? Do they think Pelosi will simply kill a bill that they officially passed if things bog down in the Senate?

Clark1 on March 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM

hey, off subject, but now Gramnesty is working with BO to pass amnesty. Will these Rinos ever learn? Why did Gramnesty get re-elected? Are people in his state that stupid? Here goes another fight. I cannot wait till these Rinos are gone, period. I think they are purposefully trying to wear down the American people until we capitulate on everything they try to do, these statist pigs, on both sides of the isle.

immigrantchick on March 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM

whoa-whoa this is in violation of congressional rules.. If the House passes the bill Congress is *done* with the bill, regardless of the session and it’s either waiting a 10 day timeout or a veto.

What’s to stop Pelosi or any other Democrat from presenting the bill to the President for signing NEXT year or just before Obama leaves office?

AFAIK, Congress cannot retract a completed and, more impotantly, approved bill.

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Why should they trust each other – THEIR DEMOCRATS?!!

Would you ever trust a Democrat?

Sporty1946 on March 5, 2010 at 2:40 PM

we all realize that Nancy Pelosi is a liar. actually, anyone who watched her CIA circus act realizes that she is a liar.

wouldn’t you think that the people who know her better–Dem congressman–really really realize what she is? how can they trust her?

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:40 PM

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM

This is the bill that never ends,
Yes it goes on and on my Friends.
Some people start milling, not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue pushing to forever just because….

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Maybe I’m just dense, but I don’t see how this newest pretzel twist in any way bypasses Stupak’s problems with abortion language which reconciliation most likely can’t/won’t address.

marybel on March 5, 2010 at 2:43 PM

What’s to stop Pelosi or any other Democrat from presenting the bill to the President for signing NEXT year or just before Obama leaves office?

All pending bills expire with the congress that passes them.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:43 PM

wrong. if the house passes the senate bill, the Obamacare is done & FU to all that want the Senate to reconcile anything. NOW, if Pelosi wants to hold this bill, she can do that. but after this Congress expires (december), all this legislation is worthless unless Bambi signs it or he lets 10 days elapse after the bill is presented to him.

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:43 PM

My question right now is exactly where are they getting all these political manuevers and parlimentary jostlings that are flying here and there, when it’s plain as day that the majority of these numbskulls in both the House and Senate are so bliteringly stupid, they probably need step-by-step instructions on how to use the toilet paper in the frigging bathroom!

pilamaye on March 5, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Allahpundit and I have both considered the idea of a last-minute betrayal of House progressives by Barack Obama to be rather unlikely.

LOL. You guys are kind of clueless, if you think this. Everyone is expendible to The Precedent. Everyone.

But … you’d have to understand his motivations to know why…

neurosculptor on March 5, 2010 at 2:44 PM

ObamaCare would not only fine and imprison for noncompliance, but requires every person be implanted with a chip.

Meanwhile, Obama has been coordinating for months with Lindsey Graham and Chuck Schumer, resurrecting McCain’s failed Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation that “MIGHT” deport the noncompliant illegal aliens. If citizenship is not granted lightly, then the illegals need to leave and comply with the LEGAL immigration process. This means spending another year of Obama’s administration on another comprehensive legislative reform package bill comprising thousands of pages that no one reads prior to voting, and that gets revised DURING AND AFTER THE VOTING before the presidential signature.

Citizenship would not be granted lightly, the White House said. Undocumented workers would need to register, pay taxes and pay a penalty for violating the law. Failure to comply might result in deportation.

maverick muse on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

This is the bill that never ends,
Yes it goes on and on my Friends.
Some people start milling, not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue pushing to forever just because….

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:42 PM

I thought you were going for:
“Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We’re so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside”

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

All pending bills expire with the congress that passes them.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:43 PM

But if it’s signed by both houses it’s no longer a pending bill… is it?

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Just occurred to me looking at that picture:

Watch out Harry! Nancy is pulling out ‘The Claw’!!!

AUINSC on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

If Dems in the House, Senate and White House don’t trust each other, why the h@ll should Americans trust them?

ProfessorMiao on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

hey, off subject, but now Gramnesty is working with BO to pass amnesty. Will these Rinos ever learn? Why did Gramnesty get re-elected? Are people in his state that stupid? Here goes another fight. I cannot wait till these Rinos are gone, period. I think they are purposefully trying to wear down the American people until we capitulate on everything they try to do, these statist pigs, on both sides of the isle.

immigrantchick on March 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Lady Lindsey has to do it because BFF McCain can’t be seen pushing for amnesty and kneeling at the alter of Hussain!
Its election-time in AZ, McCain has to look “republican”
He will return the favor for his Lady Lindsey in 2014

macncheez on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

well, if Stupak trusts Pelosi (hahahaha), then he’ll say, ok, let’s vote on the Senate bill & we’ll let the SEnate “reconcile” to eliminate abortion funding.

but since the Senate would not likely do that (& Stupak has got to know that), then Stupak won’t vote for it now no matter what Pelosi says.

let’s get real: who trusts Nancy? they are voting her way because they are 1: true believers or 2: she has something really awful on them

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:46 PM

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

That could work too.

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:46 PM

The House could pass the Senate bill as is, then hold it in their chamber instead of sending it to the president so he could sign it into law. That bill, passed but not out of the House’s hands, would be the leverage to bring the Senate to the table.

I have a question. If this bill is passed and then held in the House and not delivered to the President, can they work on other bills before them? Or does everything grind to a halt?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

wrong. if the house passes the senate bill, the Obamacare is done & FU to all that want the Senate to reconcile anything. NOW, if Pelosi wants to hold this bill, she can do that. but after this Congress expires (december), all this legislation is worthless unless Bambi signs it or he lets 10 days elapse after the bill is presented to him.

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Good point… Pelosi would become the fall “guy” for Universal health care failing and she certainly wouldn’t stick her neck out for that.

Besides, I’m pretty sure Obama would demand the bill at that point.

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

There’s just no end to this three ring circus, is there?

capejasmine on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

No kidding. Unfortunately their refusal to listen to the people is affecting all of us – emotionally and financially.

I saw Reid make a statement today on the floor of the Senate using the term “Republican Recession”. They have no shame! If I recall correctly we are in this mess because of issues brought on by Dem ideas of regulation, or not paying attention to the warnings of Fannie Mae because Frank didn’t see a problem there and forced banks to make loans they knew would never be paid back.

truetexan on March 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

This certainly sounds ethical to me.

I, for one, welcome our new Draconian overlords.

Dorvillian on March 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

It would be ideal if somebody could come along and for we simpletons, to produce a flow chart of the various scenarios available to the Democrats regarding Obamacare.

Not everybody is a genius, you know.

technopeasant on March 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM

skywise: it both houses pass it, it is still a pending bill & does not become LAW until bambi signs it (or lets 10 days elapse) upon presentation to him.

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM

If you were a lying backstabber and you knew all of your colleagues were lying backstabbers…

No wonder they don’t trust each other.

INC on March 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Chip on March 5, 2010 at 2:35 PM

If you want to know what the trolls are thinking, go over to Sargent’s Plum Line. They’re not quite as batty as the Kos Kids, and he posts frequently.

marybel on March 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM

But if it’s signed by both houses it’s no longer a pending bill… is it?

Skywise on March 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Sure, until it’s enacted into law, lapses, or is vetoed.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Democrats don’t trust Democrats? No honor among thieves?

cartooner on March 5, 2010 at 2:52 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Draconian overlords.

Dorvillian on March 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

So do I. They gotta be more organized than the Democrats.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:53 PM

This is why over the history Democrats have rarely held both majorities in Congress and the WH. People don’t mind sending the Dems as Reps to get their porky goodies but they want real logical and smart adults running things. Every once in a while the American public listens to the media propaganda and believes the hype that Democrats can actually do something positive if they’re in control. Then they quick remember how stupid it is to believe that.

Sultry Beauty on March 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM

If you were a lying backstabber and you knew all of your colleagues were lying backstabbers…

No wonder they don’t trust each other.

INC on March 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM

There’s more honor among thieves than among Democrats.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Yes, Pelosi can hold until the end of the 11th Congress. BUT — if Senate reconciliation does not go through — why wouldn’t she go ahead and send it to the President for signature?????? The majority of her caucus would want that, Obama would want it, you would be trusting that NANCY PELOSI will keep her word to a minority of her caucus, (Blue Dogs/Pro-life Dems she doesn’t like anyway) that she will let the bill die. This is like trusting my cat around an open can of tuna fish. Ain’t happening. She might wait until the Senate finishes with whatever bubble dance they are going to do, but she will send the bill over to the White House, take it to the bank.

MaureenTheTemp on March 5, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Can’t, just can’t.HA would ban me and God would send me straight to hell for my thoughts.

katy the mean old lady on March 5, 2010 at 2:58 PM

maureen: you are exactly right. if Nancy gets the Congress to vote yes on the Senate bill, even if she promises she will wait for the Senate to do their dance, she will run that sucker up Constitution ave faster than greased lightning. she will be ecstatic that she has ruined our country.

kelley in virginia on March 5, 2010 at 2:58 PM

If they won’t fall on their swords for him, Barry’s commandeered Rahm’s steak knife collection as insurance.

Christien on March 5, 2010 at 2:58 PM

“We don’t trust the Senate to do anything they say they’re going to do,” Rep. Anthony Weiner, New York Democrat, told The Daily Caller.

Projection.

iurockhead on March 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM

I love that picture. It is as if Pelosi and Reid are discussing the merits of an overhanded v. underhanded crotch hold when seeking to convince colleagues to change their votes.

highhopes on March 5, 2010 at 3:02 PM

I got a feeling regardless of outcome that this isn’t going to end well…

rpjones68 on March 5, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Couldn’t the GOP offer endless amendments in the Senate which would make reconciliation take forever?

Under the rules of reconciliation, there are no limits on the number of amendments that can be offered. The rules also require every amendment to be considered (voted on individually, not in blocks which to me is un-fair).

Meanwhile the House bill, even without being signed into law by Obama, would effectively be passed

By “passed”, do you mean “become law”? If so: No. If the Congress (both houses) pass a bill, but never send it to the POTUS, it does not become law with the passage of time (10 days for POTUS to sign or send back). If, however, the Congress is sitting on a bill and adjourns, the bill expires. Start over.

What Pelosi is proposing sounds like it may be frought with legislative danger, whereby a Constitutional question may arise as to whether a bill sent to the President was handled as specified in the Constitution. As I read it, there are no procedures to enumerated for modifying a bill passed by both houses and then sending it for signature without both houses considering the full bill.

They have to be careful if she does this. I can see Scalia dusting off some old references right now. How about the SCOTUS knocking down a law on a procedural mistake in Congress? Is that even precendented?

BobMbx on March 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM

for which voters will hold them in even lower regard at the midterms.

How low can they go… how low can they go!

upinak on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Oh, about six feet…

…under.

Maquis on March 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Draconian overlords.

Dorvillian on March 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Heh. Check out Iowahawk’s new column. ;)

jwolf on March 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Running out of tricks, Nancy Pelosi does her best Stephen Tyler impersonation in an attempt to scare nervous dems into voting for Obamacare.

KeepOhioRed on March 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM

— those four American flags look like they’re about to fall on Nancy and crush her beneath.

ChrisB on March 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Probably cause her to melt on contact.

“I’m melting…..I’m melting….melting….ahhhhh…..ahhh..”

BobMbx on March 5, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Nancy Pelosi performing her “Transparancy Sucks!” routine.

DanMan on March 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM

It’s like playing in the world poker championship– except someone else is holding my cards, and I’m not allowed to see them.

labrat on March 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

“…and then I’m gonna grab’em….like THIS!…and squeeze really hard…I know you like it when I do that, don’t you Harry?”

BobMbx on March 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

I said I need another beer….ya know….a beer!

sicoit on March 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM

What sucks worse than this healthcare bill.

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Caption Contest!

lorien1973 on March 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Enough said.

PappaMac on March 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM

1) What’s to stop Barry from signing the now passed senate bill and vetoing the reconcilliation bill.

2) The reconcilliation bill will expire in 5 years unless passed again. Who will force the senate to pass it again in 5 years?

MarkTheGreat on March 5, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Aarrrrrgh! I note Ed writes: “The distrust between House and Senate Democrats has produced a new innovation in the strategy to produce a health-care reform bill.”

What, pray tell, is a “new innovation”?

Other than that, a very worthwhile topic for a thread. Perhaps in 2012, the new GOP President can issue an Executive Order to override Obama’s piece of shit.

alwyr on March 5, 2010 at 3:10 PM

I just received this email from a friend of mine and I had to share. A quote from Wall Street journalist Eddie Sessions:

“Knock, knock. Anyone home? Anyone there? Barack Obama exists only as the sock puppet of his handlers, of the people who have maneuvered and manufactured this pathetic
individual’s life….. We laugh at the ventriloquist’s dummy, but what do you do when the dummy is President of the United States of America ?”

ROFLMAO!!!! Awesome!

sicoit on March 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM

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