Theory of the day: Obama will stab the House in the back by abandoning reconciliation after they pass the Senate bill

posted at 6:52 pm on March 4, 2010 by Allahpundit

Jeffrey Anderson pushed it out this morning, then Lowry picked it up, now Ace is on it. I don’t buy it, but it’s so sinister and Machiavellian that it simply must be blogged.

All of the talk about “reconciliation” seems to have distracted people — like a red herring — from a simple but crucial fact: If the House goes first, as now appears to be the plan, and passes the Senate health-care overhaul, the president would then have a bill in hand that had passed both houses of Congress, and — whether reconciliation subsequently succeeded or failed in the Senate — we would have Obamacare.

Reconciliation would then be like the exhibition ice skating in the Olympics after the medals have been awarded: interesting to some, but wholly irrelevant to anything that really matters.

Right. That’s why the House fencesitters are all leaning no unless the Senate figures out a way to fix Reid’s bill first. If Pelosi goes first by passing Reid’s bill, which is detested by both Blue Dogs (because of the cost and the lack of abortion language) and progressives (because of the “Cadillac” tax provisions and lack of a public option), the only assurance they have that that won’t be the final bill is Obama’s and Reid’s promise to proceed to reconciliation afterwards. But for a million different reasons, reconciliation is politically unappealing. So what’s stopping The One from signing the House bill into law, then having a sudden “change of heart” about the Senate fix?

Aside from the fact that Barack Obama is a man of his word, I mean.

Ace on why the Senate might have a “change of heart” too:

First of all, the Senate bill is the Senate bill, of course. Among themselves — and they have some loyalty to their fellow Democratic Senators; some, at least — they have collectively agreed that this is the bill they can all live with.

So, right off the jump, they’d be changing the Senate bill from one they’ve collectively approved of to one they don’t necessarily collectively approve of. They lack motivation to change much, if anything…

There’s another factor: All Democrats, liberal or moderate, want this issue over with. Over and done. They want an exit strategy. Every day they are talking about health care is a day they lose, politically. This bill is not only unpopular with independents — it’s actually pretty unpopular with the nutroots true believers, who view it as a sell-out to insurance companies and not nearly Canada-y enough for their liking…

Now, as my reader notes — given this dynamic, where most of the point of this is to take the issue off the table of active, live issues and quickly as painlessly as possible — don’t Senate Democrats have an incentive to intentionally fail on reconciliation as soon as humanly possible? To give it a half-assed college try (call it a mail-order college try), fail immediately, and just let the bill sit as it stands?

Sure do. But look: These people have to work with each other. And because the filibuster is what it is, the House is going to have to bend more often than the Senate. If Reid and Obama stab Pelosi in the back by ditching the fix after she moves heaven and earth to get 217 votes, their relationships will turn so poisonous that she’ll never get the House to bend on anything again — ever. If you think there’s gridlock now between the parties, let them try this and see what gridlock looks like within the parties. Beyond that, every last House Democrat who loses his seat in November will turn around and blame it on The One and Dingy Harry, on the moronic theory that if only they’d passed the “fixed” bill, things would have been different. That’s insane, of course — arguably, skipping reconciliation will improve the Democrats’ reelection chances by avoiding a procedure that the public despises — but the point isn’t whether it’s true or not, it’s how hard the House’s feelings will be over the betrayal. Ultimately, to pull this move, Obama would be sacrificing his ability to govern for the rest of this year in order to pass O-Care. Which, given his willingness to sacrifice control of Congress, doesn’t seem like a huge deal, but The One needs to be able to push some stuff through before 2012.

Here’s the amazing thing about this, though. Evidently there’s enough distrust of him and Reid in the House that some Democratic fencesitters think this is a real possibility. Imagine that. Either they think Obama won’t go to bat for them if Reid balks or they think he simply lacks the political capital anymore to change Reid’s mind even if he does go to bat for them. Hopenchange 2010: It’s come to this.

Update: I missed Ed’s post on this subject earlier today. Apologies to my esteemed colleague.


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Jeffrey Anderson pushed it out this morning, then Lowry picked it up, now Ace is on it.

Don’t forget Ed…

Joe Caps on March 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM

they would do it, they would sacrifice all of them at the alter, have no doubt about that.

rob verdi on March 4, 2010 at 6:56 PM

If it’s sleazy and underhanded it’s right up their alley. These scumbags have no scruples and the ends always justifis the means in their book.

thomasaur on March 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM

s/b justifies

thomasaur on March 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Ultimately, to pull this move, Obama would be sacrificing his ability to govern for the rest of this year in order to pass O-Care. Which, given his willingness to sacrifice control of Congress, doesn’t seem like a huge deal, but The One needs to be able to push some stuff through before 2012.

WRONG.

Once Obamacare is signed into law, America is forever irrevocably down the path to full Socialism.

For that goal, any sacrifice is excusable.

pseudonominus on March 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM

If The Jug-eared One can heal the oceans, surely His Majesty can fix this…

can’t he.

Meanwhile, I’ll be bitterly clinging to my irrational fears.

hillbillyjim on March 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM

You would have to be a sucker to trust Obama now. At least when Clinton was on the ropes he stilled tried to help out his colleagues. Obama will sell them all down the river in a heart beat.

NeoKong on March 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM

On NRO, they have a plausible theory that reconciliation is just a side show and distraction.

The real key is getting the house to vote for the senate bill.

I think that is the real issue, and the question is whether the whores in the House will sell their virtue for the whores in the White House.

Dhuka on March 4, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Makes sense. And it will make conservatives less angry. The Senate bill as vile as it is, was voted on by the rules. If it’s signed into law, oh well, what can you do….vs. they cheated and got this into law via reconciliation.

Obama may be dumb, but he isn’t stupid.

angryed on March 4, 2010 at 7:00 PM

They don’t have the votes in the House, so it’s moot anyhow. Even though democrats are generally stupid, they do have an excellent sense of self preservation, and this plan is death-on-a-stick.

Rebar on March 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM

The ultimate point is this… if the House passes the Senate bill it is over. Game over, man, game over! We will then have nationalized healthcare.

Enoxo on March 4, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Don’t think of this as stabbing the House in the back… think of it as yet another campaign promise expiring.

malclave on March 4, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Who is really pushing for this piece of excrement to pass? I know Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc. But who is the money behind this passing? What are they going to gain? How are they going to gain? What is the end game?

There are too many guns in this country for them to think they will rule forever. The Military isn’t going to put up with this socialist sh1T.

Someone has to think they will benefit either powerfully or financially.

PappaMac on March 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Update: I missed Ed’s post on this subject earlier today. Apologies to my esteemed colleague.

(Hack Hack)…’scuse me, Lucy….

klickink.wordpress.com on March 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM

I think if the house passes it Zero’s signs it that’s it. That’s the bill we are going to get stuck with. It also depends on when they pass it. If they pass it just before election day and the Republicans win there is no way to repeal this for another 2 years. Even if Republicans pass bills to repeal this and zero is president he will veto the bill. I think once it passes the house that’s it we get the Senate version of the bill and that’s it until there is a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate and a Republican President.

Brat4life on March 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM

The House Dems do not want ot go to the fall elections having voted the Cornhusker Kickback, the Louisiana Purcahse, the Cadillac tax, and no Stupak language into law. Which is what happens if Obama and/or Reid screw the House.

The House Dems already voted for Crap & Trade, which died in the Senate (so far). Dem senators don’t have to defend a C&T vote; house Dems do.

A House Dem would have the lame argument: “My C&T vote is meaningless. The senate killed the bill.” Dems from coal-producing states have even more trouble with that vote.

Wethal on March 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Quick question for the smart folks. Since reconciliation must start in the House, can the House bill that passed months ago be designated as the “reconciliation” bill?

Weight of Glory on March 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM

Budget reconciliation won’t work.

It’s not appropriate. You can’t write policy by claiming it’s a budget to get around the rules…

After the house votes Obama will suddenly realize that reconciliation won’t work. Hell, he’s already on record saying that it’s wrong.

Even the most corrupt politicians in our country’s history don’t trust Obama anymore.

Dorvillian on March 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM

So what’s stopping The One from signing the House bill into law, then having a sudden “change of heart” about the Senate fix?

Obama will never admit a change of heart. He will continue to insist on working hard for the needed changes. He will keep campaigning. He will insist that it is not his fault the fixes can’t get through the senate. He will blame republicans.

Obama would be sacrificing his ability to govern for the rest of this year in order to pass O-Care.

Obama was a lame duck six months into his first year when he turned this whole health care disaster over to the democrats in congress. He is still leaving the solutions to this fiasco in the hands of Pelosi and Reid.

He is a community organizer. This is what they do.

Skandia Recluse on March 4, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Homer Simpson, meet Lieutenant Columbo.

I was a’scerred of that, and y’all laughed at me. Boy, oh, boy I do not like this schtuff!

Chewy the Lab on March 4, 2010 at 7:13 PM

If the House goes first, as now appears to be the plan, and passes the Senate health-care overhaul, the president would then have a bill in hand that had passed both houses of Congress, and — whether reconciliation subsequently succeeded or failed in the Senate — we would have Obamacare.

Anyone who has followed Obama knows this would not be a double cross. It would be a trick. Preconceived trick.

petefrt on March 4, 2010 at 7:14 PM

It’s amazing how much “TRUST” there is amongst Democrats. Almost like a universal acknowledgment “HEY, WE’RE ALL THIEVES AND LIARS!”

PS

Nancy ain’t got the votes!

GarandFan on March 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Obama and the Democrats are a bunch of sneaky, devious b*stards — I wouldn’t put anything past them.

diditagain on March 4, 2010 at 7:17 PM

I’m not sure what’s sinister and Machiavellian about it. Looks pretty straightforward to me. The day the push became one of getting the House to pass the Senate bill, it really should have been obvious.

Unless someone can come up with another legislative maneuver, the House vote is where either Moscow gets set afire, or Napoleon rides in at the head of a great army. Better hope we smell smoke.

J.E. Dyer on March 4, 2010 at 7:17 PM

This is what they are going to do and we are “f’ckd”. They don’t care. Pitchforks and torches people.

suzyk on March 4, 2010 at 7:18 PM

They don’t have the votes in the House, so it’s moot anyhow. Even though democrats are generally stupid, they do have an excellent sense of self preservation, and this plan is death-on-a-stick.

Rebar on March 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Holy Toads, hope you’re right, but those of you who are a-thinkin’ that America won’t let this happen are the same ones who figured the adults were in charge, so it was ok to do what our reps wanted.

If I weren’t crying, I’d be laughing.

Chewy the Lab on March 4, 2010 at 7:18 PM

If Reid and Obama stab Pelosi in the back by ditching the fix after she moves heaven and earth to get 217 votes, their relationships will turn so poisonous that she’ll never get the House to bend on anything again — ever.

So?

It’s CW now that Pelosi will be out of power next year anyway. Why would the Senate Dems care if the House gets its feelings hurt when the House is flipping? In 9 months it won’t matter either way.

Lehosh on March 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM

I’m not sure what’s sinister and Machiavellian about it. Looks pretty straightforward to me.

Lying shamelessly to your own House caucus to get them to pass a bill they don’t like? Guess we disagree on the definition of Machiavellian.

Allahpundit on March 4, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Aside from the fact that Barack Obama is a man of his word, I mean.

Everybody’s a comedian….oh wait.

hillbillyjim on March 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

These people have to work with each other. And because the filibuster is what it is, the House is going to have to bend more often than the Senate. If Reid and Obama stab Pelosi in the back by ditching the fix after she moves heaven and earth to get 217 votes, their relationships will turn so poisonous that she’ll never get the House to bend on anything again — ever.

Oh, Hell, AP. Get real. Pelosi never wanted the House Bill to look the way it did, with the Stupak amendment and all the other sell-outs and buy-offs. Those were just the ugly little things she had to do to get the bill to pass, not what she really wanted the final product to be. Do you think she would really cry if she lost all those in a Senatorial double-cross? (I mean, assuming she still has tear ducts that work.)

Socratease on March 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Nancy Pelosi: “E tu, Barry? E tu?????”

portlandon on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

FOX: Shooting at the Pentagon. Three people hospitalized, taken to GWU. Building in lock-down.

amerpundit on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

When do the Democrats erupt in an all out war?
That’s what I’m waiting for. That’s when I go from popcorn to the girl scout ccookies I have stashed/

ORconservative on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

If Reid and Obama stab Pelosi in the back by ditching the fix after she moves heaven and earth to get 217 votes, their relationships will turn so poisonous that she’ll never get the House to bend on anything again — ever.
So?

It’s CW now that Pelosi will be out of power next year anyway. Why would the Senate Dems care if the House gets its feelings hurt when the House is flipping? In 9 months it won’t matter either way.

Lehosh on March 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Reid will probably be out of the Senate, so the Dems would have Schumer or Durbin as SML. They can blame Reid. House Dems can blame Pelosi, who would likely be replaced as caucus leader by Hoyer. Her own seat is safe.

Wethal on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

There is no reconciliation bill yet, and it’s impossible to know if whatever fixes Obama comes up with actually could get the votes it would need in the Senate.

How can anybody promise a certain vote on a nonexistent bill?

MayBee on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Pelosi never wanted the House Bill to look the way it did,

Socratease on March 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Well then she should have used eye gestures to signal Steny Hoyer her plans when they were negotiating with Stupak!

highhopes on March 4, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Well, Reid might be upset at his tanking poll numbers, enough to put the screws on Obama. Obama might be po’d at Pelosi for her public admonishments of him. As in….how DARE she!!! And Pelosi doesn’t seem to really like either one, unless they’re bowing to her will, and doing her bidding.

Could this be the true hold up? LOL Ego’s can be dangerous, and vicious things at times.

capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 7:27 PM

I think that the rules (Article 1 Section 7 of the US Constitution, if that has any meaning anymore.) requires congress to actually deliver the bill to POTUS for signature. I’m wondering what might happen if the House passes the Senate version and the bill is never sent to The One for signature. If Rahm sneaks over to the Capitol and slithers back with the Bill and BHO signs it, would it be law?

Pelayo on March 4, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Okay. Dumb question. What IF this whole mess goes down in flames and doesn’t pass anywhere…. is it dead, dead?

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

All of the wheeling and dealing, and behind-the-scenes intrigue has certainly boosted my confidence in DC politics.

Thanks, Hopeychangey. You are the One I was waiting for.

hillbillyjim on March 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM

How can anybody promise a certain vote on a nonexistent bill?

MayBee on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM

The filthy lying coward has set up a bank in the East Room of the White House and is buying votes. He’ll provide cash, ambassadorships, judicial appointments, promises to campaign, promises not to campaign, whatever it takes. This is all about the “win” without any regard to the consequences. Congressional rats are well advised not to trust the rat bastard traitor.

highhopes on March 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Okay. Dumb question. What IF this whole mess goes down in flames and doesn’t pass anywhere…. is it dead, dead?

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Not until we quit sending big-spending liars to DC.

hillbillyjim on March 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM

Okay. Dumb question. What IF this whole mess goes down in flames and doesn’t pass anywhere…. is it dead, dead?

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

As dead as Chuckie thirty minutes into the movie.

If this whole mess goes down into flames, get a truckload of popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show as the recriminations start flying.

highhopes on March 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM

President Obama, in a meeting aimed at winning over liberal House members who have problems with the pending health care bill, pledged to “revisit the public option in the future,” according to a report from Talking Points Memo.

As I noted when Democrats passed the Senate bill, the whole idea all along was to lay a foundation that they could build on over time. That’s why the debate over whether this current bill is a government takeover is misleading. The point is that the bill puts the architecture in place so that it can achieve a government-run health care system over time.

Meanwhile, after coming out of the meeting, Raul Grijalva, a House liberal leader who yesterday said he was leaning against voting for the [Senate] bill, told TPM that Obama had made a “compelling” argument that failure would compromise the progressive agenda and damage his presidency

Amspec. And all you Blue Dogs who will lose your seats in the fall? You’re cannon fodder in the Great Socialist War.

Wethal on March 4, 2010 at 7:34 PM

WRONG.

Once Obamacare is signed into law, America is forever irrevocably down the path to full Socialism.

For that goal, any sacrifice is excusable.

pseudonominus on March 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM

This is the real goal of 0bama. It will not be repealed. Can’t.

Mirimichi on March 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I buy it 100%…you have to be naive not to take it seriously…barry wants this above all else…nothing else matters

winston on March 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I am trying to be very calm, collected and logical.

I am further bouyed by the fact that there isn’t a single, blessed troll on this thread hissing, “Bush Lied!”
My concern is I’m seeing some euphoria from the udder-side saying, “We won! We won! We won!”

Um, No.

But, on de udder hand: we haven’t won, either.
We’ve advanced, but we AINT.FLIPPIN.WON.

Good news: WE AIN’T FLIPPIN LOST, EITHER.

Chewy the Lab on March 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

How many of the House Dems will be happy with the appearance that the Senate put their mandatory “improvements” to a vote but darn it all, they just didn’t pass? The long and short of this is that we get screwed, Obamacare is law and the House Dems have another whining point for their reelection bid.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2010 at 7:37 PM

You know he will do it.

1. Gets Obama a win. (me, me, me..)
2. It gets healthcare out of the news cycle.
3. It takes reconciliation, which 80% of Americans are against) off the table.

All of the above may get Obama’s approval back above 50% in a few months.

jukin on March 4, 2010 at 7:37 PM

If this whole mess goes down into flames, get a truckload of popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show as the recriminations start flying.

highhopes on March 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM

I could live with that.

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Think of all this as a teaching moment.

What have we all learned???????

Robert17 on March 4, 2010 at 7:38 PM

I don’t know.
It’s possible some House Dems are just not that invested in the success of the Obama agenda. They have dreams of their own.

MayBee on March 4, 2010 at 7:41 PM

This must be how they do things on Cook County.

Pelayo on March 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

I think that the rules (Article 1 Section 7 of the US Constitution, if that has any meaning anymore.) requires congress to actually deliver the bill to POTUS for signature.

Pelayo on March 4, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Any party that can find such rich meaning in the term “general welfare” shouldn’t have a problem finding hidden meaning in the word “delivers”.

But that depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is. (*wagging finger*)

roscopico on March 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Yep, he doesn’t care, it’s all about him … the Democrats should walk, let the progressives walk alone.

tarpon on March 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Sorry if you’ve seen this on other threads, just trying to get the word out.

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/

Dick Morris’ list of 30 most vulnerable House Dems.

Please call them!
You might even get to entertain yourself as I did when a snotty little aid pretended he didn’t know what obamacare was, and tried to correct me after he “realized” that stupid me must have meant “health care reform”. I let him know that if he didn’t know that the hottest political issue in the nation was known as obamacare, he needed to quit, or if he did know and was just trying to be insulting he needed to be fired. I told him he lost either way. It was shooting ducks in a barrel, but it made for a fun two minute break in the day.

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

It’s possible some House Dems are just not that invested in the success of the Obama agenda. They have dreams of their own.

MayBee on March 4, 2010 at 7:41 PM

They likely have plans to be re-elected, and beyond 2016, when Obama would finally leave office (assuming he got re-elected). Some of them were in DC before he got there and want to be there after he leaves office. Their voters shape their agenda.

Wethal on March 4, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Allah is right. If you think about it, there’s no way the O can sign the Senate bill into law without the correction bill, given the degree to which he’s beholden to labor unions. Without their support in 2012 he’s one term and gone. Since Card-Check is all but dead, unions would end up worse off than before. They might be ideological, but not that forgiving I think.

year_of_the_dingo on March 4, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it.

I guess Rhambo could get his slimy paws on the bill and present it to BHO. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Pelayo on March 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Jeffrey Anderson pushed it out this morning, then Lowry picked it up, now Ace is on it. I don’t buy it, but it’s so sinister and Machiavellian that it simply must be blogged

.

Wait a minute, Allah…..you don’t BUY it???

I would actually classify this as a no-brainer. The MOMENT that I heard that their new plan was “get the House to pass the Senate bill by promising to ‘fix’ things with a second bill….”, I immediately thought to myself, “Oh, so this is the blatant bullshit they’re going to use to con the Blue Dogs into passing Obamacare.”

And I’m a bit of an Eeyore like you, so I’m cynical enough to believe that some of them would be duped by it. But maybe not everyone. I would hope that Stupak and his fellow pro-life contingent aren’t that gullible.

Fact is, NO ONE in the House Democrat caucus should trust the Senate to do any supplemental legislation to “fix” the bill – on EITHER side of the spectrum. The progressives shouldn’t trust the Senate because they put in the public-option, and the Senate stripped it out; the moderates like Stupak put in abortion language, and THAT got stripped out too. There’s little reason for them to put their careers on the line on the promise that Dingy Harry will “fix” the problems they have with the initial Senate bill.

Vyce on March 4, 2010 at 7:58 PM

At any rate: It is now conventional wisdom that the Democrats will lose the House. Not that there is an outside chance of such. Not even that it is likely. But that they will lose the House, barring some game-changing event and barring also some weird low-probability streak of winning a bunch of very tight could-go-either-way elections.

In other words, it is 95% likely that Speaker Pelosi will not be Speaker Pelosi in January 2011. Not only won’t she be Speaker, she won’t even be Minority Leader — Steny Hoyer will take that position. The caucus will be in no mood to continue on with the wildly unpopular Nancy Pelosi as the face of the party. Even though the House is dominated by liberals — they will not reward her for calamity.

So, with regard to Madame Palomino’s arm-twisting: She can’t offer people a political haven — she has admitted that it’s political suicide to vote for this bill, but wants them to slit their throats anyway — and she can’t even offer them personal favors.

She’s a lame duck. She won’t even have a leadership post in the minority.

She’ll be subchairman of the Sport Charter Fisherman International Promotion Committee or something more in line with her abilities. Her jurisdiction will be limited to tarpon.

So what the hell can Granny Rictus McBotoxImplants promise or threaten anyone with?

Oh: Partly undermining all that is that Steny Hoyer claims to believe he thinks this bill is essential, too.

But unlike Madame Palomino, who claims she has the votes, Steny Hoyer won’t say he does.

Wonderful snarky post by AOSHQ. Pelosi is a lame duck. Reid is a lame duck. They can’t promise much past December 31. Their threats could also expire on that day. Hoyer needs to see Pelosi fail to get the caucus leadership she and her henchman Murtha screwed him out of.

Obama is sinking in the polls, and couldn’t help in VA, NJ or MA. Not everyone has a brother who wants to be a federal judge.

Wethal on March 4, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Theory of the day: Obama will stab the House in the back by abandoning reconciliation after they pass the Senate bill

I had assumed that this was a given, from the beginning. It’s not just The Precedent who will stab the House dems in the back, but the Senate dems, too. Backstabbing is the left’s favorite sport, anyway.

neurosculptor on March 4, 2010 at 8:03 PM

if this thing passes, we need to shout it from the rooftops, the ONLY folks, in either house, that will be elected in Nov are those who will run on the express platform to repeal any obama health care bill, thereby creating a veto overriding majority. Just in case they dont get the message. The next step will be to get them to promise to find any reason at all to impeach this mistake of a precedent before he can try and do anymore damage to this great country.

socalconcervitive on March 4, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Don’t count on any democrat to keep their word. They will do what the won wants them to do. We are in deep doo doo with this clown posse.

lukespapa on March 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Just in case folks have not noticed, the Senate’s Obamacare plan has all sorts of new high taxes on medical device manufacturers — uh, make that US medical device manufacturers and workers. Which is another way of saying Obamacare is a vast jobs program for outsourcing medical devices AND jobs to foreign manufacturers.

Who needs these talented hard working folks in the US anyway? As the US is turned into one big OBAMANATION, only idiots should be expected to stay around.

drfredc on March 4, 2010 at 8:15 PM

“The ends justify the means”

Lets not kid ourselves otherwise…

Alinsky on March 4, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Just in case folks have not noticed, the Senate’s Obamacare plan has all sorts of new high taxes on medical device manufacturers…
drfredc on March 4, 2010 at 8:15 PM

This includes toothbrushes and tampons, now classified as “medical devices.”

rrpjr on March 4, 2010 at 8:32 PM

If Reid and Obama stab Pelosi in the back

This is a weird premise. What makes you think she wouldn’t be in on it and wholeheartedly approve?

She could care less about reconciliation, future effects on Democratic members of the House, collegial cooperation in the future, and sundry details. She is a Progressive leader. Therefore, her goal is to get the thing enacted, period.

Besides, the idea that Nancy Pelosi could mentally project events further than an hour ahead is contrary to all evidence.

JDPerren on March 4, 2010 at 8:32 PM

When I was a young Sailor … I was a member of an honor guard for a change of command. The Boatswain leading us during practice had us doing all kinds of “about faces” and marching shifts left and right – all in a very small box.

The Admiral, after observing us, walked up to the Boatswain and said … “Hey Boats, the worst thing you can do is have people doing close order drill who aren’t accustomed to doing it – they just end up looking like clowns and running into each other”.

Kind of like the Democrats right now.

They are attempting something WAY TOO difficult.

HondaV65 on March 4, 2010 at 8:39 PM

The one does have one ace up his sleeve against all those who are voting no to save theier seat, He will just go campaign for them. How could you stand up to that kind of threat?

TheVer on March 4, 2010 at 8:47 PM

This is a “just declare defeat and move on strategy” in overdrive. It allows Obamacare to pass, it loses the House (which is another way of saying it jettisons all those centrist Dems who have outlived their usefulness) and it gives Obama an enemy worthy of being taken seriously. Just think, for the next two years Obama has a built-in excuse for accomplishing nothing much (after all, those evil Republicans control the House). So Obama comes out on top all the way around, plus he can see to it that only “real” Democrats run in 2012, that is, those willing to follow order unquestionably. So, here comes “Utopia 2013.”

Fred 2 on March 4, 2010 at 8:55 PM

I don’t know why I didn’t think of this gambit. Nor apparently have the ‘All-Star’ panelists on Fox’s Special Report. All the talk centers around how complicated a reconciliation process would be. But if the House can pass the Senate Bill, one that Obambi has already endorsed, all it takes is his signature and it’s over.

The Pretender has already said that the current bills are just a first step on the way to socialized medicine. So he’ll sign the Senate bill, and promise new ones to ‘fix’ any ‘problems’, i.e. to continue the government takeover of the health-care industry.

Exit question: Why are health-insurance premiums skyrocketing this year? Could it be the short-sighted industry execs are still hoping for that mandate that will produce an instant gravy train? Of course, down the road it will lead to their extinction, but by then they’ll have nice palaces down in the Caribbean.

MrLynn on March 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Well, duh. Of course he’ll stab them in the back.

SouthernGent on March 4, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Will ObaMao personally have to sacrifice the Virgin Pelosi in order to fundamentally change America?

Let it die in the House. The American people do NOT want this legislation in any of its patchwork forms.

onlineanalyst on March 4, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Just in case folks have not noticed, the Senate’s Obamacare plan has all sorts of new high taxes on medical device manufacturers — uh, make that US medical device manufacturers and workers. Which is another way of saying Obamacare is a vast jobs program for outsourcing medical devices AND jobs to foreign manufacturers.

Who needs these talented hard working folks in the US anyway? As the US is turned into one big OBAMANATION, only idiots should be expected to stay around.

drfredc on March 4, 2010 at 8:15 PM

You know, I have a brilliant nephew nearing completion of his very expensive college years. Will all of this talent and achievement be treated as if his efforts are equal to a serf’s: that is, if there are any employment opportunities even available?

onlineanalyst on March 4, 2010 at 9:28 PM

This sounds perfectly logical as this guy is a pathological narcissist. Of course, he’ll sign that bill and throw both the house and senate under the bus:

People with narcissistic personality disorder demand that others provide them with comfort, gifts, and other desires, but refuse to acknowledge any indebtedness. Rather than offer thanks, the narcissist will mock and degrade both gift and giver.

PatMac on March 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Lying shamelessly to your own House caucus to get them to pass a bill they don’t like? Guess we disagree on the definition of Machiavellian.

Allahpundit on March 4, 2010 at 7:21 PM

He’s not lying to the caucus. He’s lying to a small subset of it.

spmat on March 4, 2010 at 10:48 PM

I’d go one further. I’d argue that he’d still do it, i.e. he WOULD lie to the ENTIRE caucus, if he thought it would help him get this bill passed.

He’s getting increasingly desperate to get SOMETHING signed that has the words “health-care reform” on it. Without that “victory” (as pyrrhic as it would turn out to be), his presidency looks impotent.

Vyce on March 4, 2010 at 11:09 PM

When I was a young Sailor … I was a member of an honor guard for a change of command. The Boatswain leading us during practice …

HondaV65 on March 4, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Boatswain? Do you think Obi-Won would pronounce that with the same skill and panache as he did “Corpseman”?

ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Obi-Won will lie to any and all for any reason whatsoever; we have over a year’s worth of evidence backing up this conclusion.

ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:31 PM

…his presidency looks impotent. Vyce on March 4, 2010 at 11:09 PM

Heh.

Mojave Mark on March 5, 2010 at 12:45 AM

….I don’t buy it,….

This seems like a good time to change that name to Pollyannapundit.

LegendHasIt on March 5, 2010 at 12:46 AM

It’s not so complicated, AP.

It’s taking the path of least resistance.

Conniving cowardice.

Lockstein13 on March 5, 2010 at 1:48 AM

AP. If Obama is willing to throw his hand picked Attorney General under the bus over military tribunals, why would he bat an eye at throwing Nancy Pelosi under the bus?

Machiavellian indeed.

percysunshine on March 5, 2010 at 7:33 AM

Regardless of whether or not they believe it, Republicans need to be wispering this message into the ear of every Democrat they can find.

MarkTheGreat on March 5, 2010 at 8:29 AM

You know, if those crabs would ever work together to get out of the bucket…

John Deaux on March 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Okay. Dumb question. What IF this whole mess goes down in flames and doesn’t pass anywhere…. is it dead, dead?

tru2tx on March 4, 2010

My guess is only mostly dead, not all dead.
I wouldn’t rummage through it’s clothes looking for loose change.

SKYFOX on March 5, 2010 at 11:25 AM