Spain: Chavez conspired to assassinate Uribe

Ed , you are wrong about you things , first , you said “I’m no fan of Spain’s arrogance in conducting judicial proceedings about matters outside of their sovereignty”

It is not a matter of Spain’s arrogance , it is a matter of leftist arrogance .
In Spain , especially since that patetic solcialist disaster named Zapatero is president , the justice is very leftist .

For example , judge Garzon , he is a “starlet judge” that just seeks fame and political influence , in fact he was in the socialist party long time ago (at this moment Garzon is prosecuted for several “dark affairs”)

Another example of leftist judge is judge Pedraz , he was the judge that try to prosecute several USA soldiers because of the accidental dead of a Spanish journalist in Irak .

Anyway ,as I said before it is not a matter of “Spain’s arrogance” or any Spain’s I-dont-know-what , it is the left arrogance that make them believe they can arrange the world according their beliefs , even if that means using the law or even breaking the law even if they are judges .

But that case about Chavez it is very different , and it is not a matter out of our sovereignty , because judge is accusing chavez of conspiring , helping and financing ETA terrorists , whom are part of a plot to kill Uribe and another important people that Chavez want dead , but sadly they still are a spanish terrorist group .

Judge Velasco it is not a leftist , it is just a judge without political “ticket” . That is why he is doing what he must do .

And you are worng too when you said this “If Chavez has been playing footsie with ETA, then look for Madrid to give a strong diplomatic reaction, something more than the “zip it” Chavez got from Juan Carlos.”

Forget about it my friend , I would love to have a decent goverment , but our president is Zapatero , and Zapatero is just some kind of “low level Obama” , in fact there are a lot of similitudes aboute them both . Zapatero is just a socialist that feels sympathy for Chavez , Castro , etc
Every dictatorship is good for him if it is a leftist dictatorship .

An example that you are wrong about your expectations of strong reactions from the goverment of Spain is in this link .

http://www.libertaddigital.com/mundo/moratinos-dice-que-pidio-informacion-a-chavez-no-explicaciones-1276386326/

The Heading line says that Moratinos ( Minister of foreing affairs and personal friend of arafat ) told Chavez that the Spanish goverment does not have any responsability about what judge Velasco did . The spanish goverment they are more worried about Chavez being “ungry” at them that about the link between ETA and Chavez .

Sorry for my bad english , I hope you did understand what I wrote .

Sorry for my bad english , anyway I hope you understand what I say .

MiguelAngel on March 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Neurosculptor ,maybe you could change your name for “neurodeficient” , it goes better with the content of your message . If you want to talk about something laughable you could talk about your own comment . You have a big mouth and big anger , and usually it is something “compensatory” … you know …

As I said before every case of spanish judges trying “to rule on soveriegn issues” of foreing nations are just examples of leftist judges trying to push their leftist agenda ,or at least ( as in the case of judge Pedraz trying to prosecute USA soldiers) they are trying to use their position to make propaganda against their “political nemesis” .

Sometimes when those judges do this kind of things they end up being prosecuted as judge Garzon , but sadly usually they go away with it , they are judges after all , they know the tricks to do what they want without step were it is slippery .

But don’t worry , nobody take this kind of actions as “acts of war” the same than Israel don’t think you are declaring them the war just because a politician representative of the USA goes there to “confront” the Israel navy .

So don’t worry Neurostone , we are not at war ^^’

MiguelAngel on March 4, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Neurosculptor , first forgive me for insulting you before .

-You say “Spain is a country responsible for the actions that emanate from its territory and most certainly, that emanate from its government officials.”

I can say the same about your elected representative that goes to israel to confront the israel navy and to support the terrorist hamas .
I know you don’t feel represented by that piece of shit ,and I am sure that you will get very ungry if someone try to make you responsible for what this one did .

-YOu say “Neither I, nor anyone else, cares about your excuses.Spain is infringing on the sovereign rights of other nations and, if those nations so decide, they are justified in reacting to these acts of war that Spain is committing.”

This are just big talking , but it is nonsense , if you are ungry and you feel relief by talking as a little napoleon ok , I won’t take you seriously , but it is something stupid anyway .

-You say “If Spain has a problem with their leftists, then they had better get it in hand”

We have LOTS of problems with our leftist , when you have problems with your leftist I won’t tell you the same you say to me , because I know that , even a great part of you elected Obama , I know that it does not make all of you responsible .

-You say “because that excuse that you provided might work for 3rd grade”

So I am sure it work for you , so what are we talking about ?

-You say “That’s the whole point of sovereignty, Miguel. Maybe you should spend you efforts getting that pathetic sh!thole to start worrying more about their domestic issues than allowing their leftist freaks to be committing acts of war against other nations”

First , even we have that epidemic socialist goverment we are the eight country in the world , it is not a shithole ( that is the reason I had insulted you before … in someway you insulted me first ).

Second , about what Ed Morrisey is talking here … it is not a matter of foreing sovereignty , it is a matter about a spanish crime organization as ETA making ties with a foreign crime organization as FARC and , worst of all , ties with a leader of a country as Chavez . It is our problem , and this judge Velasco is doing the right thing .

When you want to prosecute alqaeda terrorist I am with you the USA , no doubt about it , even if , following your logic , alqaeda should be some kind of foreing matter for the USA and you should’t do anything about it .I don’t think the same as you , I think that the terrorist must be prosecuted even if they hide behind a foreing goverment ( and if this goverment is Chavez goverment … the better , maybe we could help the good people of venezuela by opening the eyes of the Chavez’s venezuelans supporters )

-You say “though, I wouldn’t mind seeing Spain and Venezuela duking it out. It would be like a micro version of the Iran/Iraq war.”

I don’t want to see that , first because I love the USA , second because we could never win … unless the USA generals were as smart as you , then even angola could win … just joking …

But what you say here was another stupid comment of little napoleon … seriuously , stop the “I am rude and badaas” attitude … you don’t fool anyone and makes you seem … well , I don’t want to insult you again , just dont continue to do that .

Anyway , thanks for the reply .

MiguelAngel on March 4, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Neurosculptor , you say “Thirdly, the US is put at risk by our insane government. I understand that. Why can’t you? The Precedent is doing stuff, in our name, that the US is responsible for.”

What you say now is not the same you were saying before , but anyway it is not what I was talking about .
You make the same mistake that Ed , you mistook this case about chavez and those “judicial proceedings about matters outside of their sovereignty” that I said were no more that personal adventures of political contaminated judges .

I said that what judge Velasco are doing now is the right thing , everything very legal , with the police os spain and other coutries backing his investigation .
What he does is righteous and under our jurisdiction , and very important too , it is our responsability to fight against terrorist , especially if they are from Spain .

And I ask Ed Morrisey that he must not mistake what judge Velasco is doing and what some stupid starlet judge did as a personal adventure some time ago .

And it is not fair to talk about what this comtaminated judges do as if they were driving the nation , because it is not like that .
For example , I talk about judge pedraz , he wants to prosecute several USA soldiers . The law , the jurisdiction and (very important ) the common sense and fairness was against him , so the attorneys were against them , if not the attorneys it would be another judges or any other part of the judicial system that would be there to arrange the error or to punish the wrongdoing .

They pull back the little adventure of judge Pedraz . So Spain work against this kind of PERSONAL adventure , because here in Spain the justice is independent … well theoretically … the socialist make the justice just a “tool” … but anyway the judges , even when they act wrong are independent for do what they want even if the country does not support them .
Just if they broke the law the pay for it , until then … they can do their show , go so far as they can without getting in trouble and making their part of their political agenda .

So if a USA judge, without support from the police or attorneeys etc … says that the queen of england must be prosecuted for the crimes against the colonies and he say that the queen must be arrested then there is a declaration of war ? I think ir is stupid to think so .

So I hope that now it is clear what I say .

But now you talk about your insane goverment and that the actions of your goverment have consecuences . But that is different , and in part , I agree with you . For example , if you want to talk big and “littlenapoleonishly” about Spain you could talk about our goverment ( more insane than yours … or at least more stupid … and don’t know what is worst )
And you could talk about how they must be responsible of their actions , that is differenet and there we can agree.

For explain you it better , you could talk about the spanish goverment pulling our troops from iraq , now our goverment send more troops to afganistan , but the treason has been made anyway .
And that could have consecuences about our relationship with the USA and other allies , and in fact there were consecuences . ( by the way , our troops feel very bad about it , they want to stay in iraq , in fact they feel humilliated when they were mocked by other troops of allies countries there when they where pulling out , in that case they were not responsible too , just the goverment )

And that kind of decision are made by the people that drive the country , it is not a personal adventure of a little and independet part of a country , you are talking about the people that drive that country . So then … yes , we agree , there are consecuences .

To end I want to insist , neuroesculptor , ED , and everyone … this time is not any of those bizarre “judicial proceedings about matters outside of their sovereignty” … this time is about to fight against terrorist that do criminal activities in our country , and to fight against the cover that chavez gives them … ETA ,FARC , alqeda and their b… progenitors , I don’t care .

MiguelAngel on March 4, 2010 at 5:39 PM

To oneline analyst , you say “Chavez is pretty cozy with Iran, too. Didn’t he send Venezuelan thugs over to Iran to “assist” the Red Guard in “quelling” the protestors?”

That is true , and is a good point , in fact what happens in iran happened before in venezuela , but the death toll was not as high in venezuela , but the “tactics” were something similar .
It is similar too the international silence about both situations , because there were not very much voices against what happened in venezuela neither what happenned in iran . ( and the goverments that supported chavez supported the mulahs , for example the president of Spain )

You say “MiguelAngel: I value your explanations of what is happening in your country and the damage that leftists do in every nation that they corrupt.”

Tank you very much , but my explanations are very simple , just take them as an little example .

And you mention the leftist corruption , damage to the economy , choosing “bad companies” , weakening the military and intelligence services, promotion of leftist judges , social-engineering agendas … and I am sure we could go on and everything we say will be the same (basically) in your country and in mine , and in every socialist country , it just change the “level” , the strenght in wich the socialism could be aplied in a country or another .

Another difference is that you are just in the begining and you could react , but our cancer is very hard to deafeat .
And of course another big diference is that a lot of socialism in Spain could damage Spain and our european neigbours and friends in latin america .
But a little socialism in the USA could harm the entire world ( not only ecomically … I say that thinking more in other matters )

And you say “Leftists appear to be more interested in promoting their own power than in promoting peace and prosperity.”

That is the truth , but they are master at propaganda , so they talk about freedom , peace , social justice , equal distribution of wealth , etc
But they support tiranies as cuba or iran , they don’t support people diying for demanding freedom as in iran , they support the use of force when it is aplied by their “friends” , and they distribute the wealth yes … between them ¬¬’ .
They are one of the most succesfull propaganda machineries ever .

MiguelAngel on March 4, 2010 at 9:05 PM