Obama comforts House liberals: Don’t worry, this bill is just the beginning of what we’ll do with health care

posted at 7:24 pm on March 4, 2010 by Allahpundit

Don’t look surprised. The left has been remarkably candid about this over the past year or two. Again and again and again and again and again and again and again they’ve warned people that the dream is bigger than universal coverage or even the public option.

Memo from The One to progressives: Keep the dream alive.

Obama argued to the group of progressive members that his health care reform bill should be looked at as the foundation of reform, that can be built on in the future. He asked them to help gather votes for the final health care battle and promised that as soon as the bill was signed into law, he’d continue to push to make it stronger. But in a matter of weeks, he stressed, he could sign into law legislation that would lead to 31 million new people being insured, including the woman who wrote him…

“He just said that the public option, something that he has supported along the way, is not something that we can pass. And he emphasized the fact that the decision now is between doing as much as we can do and doing nothing. That’s it. He thought the whole foundation thing — that this is definitely something we could be proud of, something we could build off [of],” said Schakowsky.

Woolsey told Obama that she’d be introducing legislation to create a public option and Obama said he encouraged the effort, according to Schakowsky.

Here’s an especially fun passage. Remember, Obama was self-described proponent of single-payer as recently as 2003 before deciding that it’s simply too impractical to pass. For now.

None of the members, including Kucinich, indicated that they would vote any differently this time around. “I think [Kucinich] left the meeting leaving the impression with the president that he’s a no-go,” said Schakowsky.

But, said one attendee, Obama pointed Kucinich toward single-payer language that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was able to get into the bill. Kucinich fought for an amendment that would allow states to adopt single-payer systems without getting sued by insurance companies. Obama told Kucinich that Sanders’s measure was similar but doesn’t kick in for several years. “He definitely wrote it down,” said one member of Kucinich, suggesting that he’d look into it.

I can’t decide between thinking that he’s saying this earnestly — if so, given the fallout in November, he’s going to be waiting awhile for ye olde public option — or just telling these idiots what they need to hear to vote for the much-despised Reid bill. This would, in theory, give him some cover even if he goes ahead and stabs them in the back by dropping reconciliation. After all, if this is just the first small step towards socialized medicine, who cares how small that step is? Pass anything. Just get a foot in the door so that you can swing it open in a decade or two when the wheel turns towards progressivism again.

Exit question: Think anyone in the White House press corps will lean on Gibbs tomorrow to explain what, specifically, this bill is a “foundation” for?


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The future? He’s said repeatedly that he wants to be the last president to pass health care reform.

Did he lie about that too?

JohnJ on March 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM

So the house, which seems to be in difficulty passing this health care reform, has to pass yet more health care reform? Does it ever end? When is enough reform enough?

Skandia Recluse on March 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Translation: “Oh come on baby. I love you, you know that. It’s all good. I never knew what love was,…. until I met you. Your eyes,..are so beautiful. I’ll be gentle…”

He’ll forget their name when he’s done with them.

portlandon on March 4, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Sorry to re-post this, but Fox is reporting that three people have been shot at the Pentagon. The building is in lock-down.

amerpundit on March 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Sherrod Brown, a loon Senator from Ohio I guess, is on any MSNBC show that will have him boasting that no matter what is passed, by the time anything is enacted it will be public option/single payor. He looks quite deranged while saying so.

Marcus on March 4, 2010 at 7:33 PM

And yet people still talk about how we need the public “option” to “increase competition” without batting an eye.

David Shane on March 4, 2010 at 7:34 PM

“Obama argued to the group of progressive members that his health care reform bill should be looked at as the foundation of reform, that can be built on in the future.”

Is this an admission he’ll be happy to screw the House after they pass the Senate bill? Seems like it to me.

Dusty on March 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM

I don’t like his ominious comments.

I remember having a pit in my stomach, when Obama at a public event said….you haven’t seen nothin yet. Those words, coupled with his expression scared the hell out of me, and I don’t like where this is going. Why would some of these so called moderate Democrats want to do this to us, or even their families?

capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 7:37 PM

Way to keep antagonizing the American people, PBHO.

Bishop on March 4, 2010 at 7:38 PM

What press?

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Exit question: Think anyone in the White House press corps will lean on Gibbs tomorrow to explain what, specifically, this bill is a “foundation” for?

Answer: No. But we all know what this is a “foundation” for – communism. It’s a shame we just don’t want to say or write it, but we need to. This is what the libs want, from Obama on down.

jdawg on March 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Can we call the bill “The Camel’s Nose”?

Cicero43 on March 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Which is why your response to the theory that Obama wouldn’t dare betray the House is wrong.

Once it’s passed, it’s passed. Then they can move on to bigger and better society destroying plans and not care at all that the House dems were screwed over.

They’ll have their win… the Senate will be forced to move on to other pressing issues since they will not have any desire or will to take up a bloody battle with reconciliation.

I mean…why would they? Obamacare will be law and they can make whatever fixes they want in the decades and centuries to come.

powerpro on March 4, 2010 at 7:42 PM

With credit to CKG at American Thinker:

You will never get real freedom and recognition between black and white people in this country without destroying the country, without destroying the present political system, without destroying the present economic system, without rewriting the entire constitution. It will be a complete destruction of everything that America supposedly stands for.

– Malcolm X

Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me. The blunt poetry of his words. His unadorned insistence on respect. He promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline.

– Barack Hussein Obama

By any means necessary.

– Malcolm X

But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

- Barack Hussein Obama

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

…but will you LOOOOOOVE me, tomorrrrrrrrrrrrrow?

DrAllecon on March 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Remember that this is not an all or nothing effort. The groundwork has been carefully laid for decades. The problem they are having now is getting over this huge hurdle. This is not about providing health care, it is about control through taxes and committee. They will tax you to fund the committee that will tell you what you can and can’t have medically done.

If they can get past this big hurdle then it becomes easier for them to gain control, piece by piece. The problem for them is the hurdle is bigger than they expected, and it appears to be growing taller. If they fail, they will try again. Maybe not tomorrow, but sometime in the foreseeable future. It was 15 years between Hillarycare and Obamacare. A failure now will mean another run in 10-20 years.

Their position at this point is really quite intriging. On one side they have their rabid supporters who keep pushing to commit political suicide. On the other side they have their consituents who can’t wait to fire them. If it wasn’t for the prospect of unrecoverable damage it would be amusing.

JohnTheBuilder on March 4, 2010 at 7:45 PM

The White House Press Corp? LOL

d1carter on March 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM

The writing has been on the wall for a long time. It doesn’t matter that the public option is not in the current version of the “bill of the moment”.

It will include two things: forced coverage of pre-existing conditions and caps in premium increases. After these two things have worked their way up through the health insurance companies bottom line, they will be bankrupt.

These two things will eat up the 2%-3% profit margin the industry makes and the public option will come about through this process. The bill is a virus, a weed, ivy overtaking the front of the building until it rots the underlying structure and it falls down.

They are smart these lefty, Statist Dems……. Smart as a fox and never forget it.

Opposite Day on March 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Can we call the bill “The Camel’s Nose”?

Cicero43 on March 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM

I believe that “Camel’s Dung” is the correct adjective, my dear Cicero.

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Ojesus may not be a very good liar, but he is very prolific.

hillbillyjim on March 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM

The Dem’s plan for America:

1. Shred the Constitution. It’s only 200+ year-old TP to them.

2. Scr3w the American people who want no part of their agenda. Nancy Pelosi likes to talk about simple majorities, but what of the majority of American who want none of this?

3. Destroy the greatest health care system in the world, and if it destroys the country all the better for them.

These people must be stopped.

jdawg on March 4, 2010 at 7:48 PM

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/

Dick Morris’ list of 30 most vulnerable House Dems.

Please call them!
You might even get to entertain yourself as I did when a snotty little aid pretended he didn’t know what obamacare was, and tried to correct me after he “realized” that stupid me must have meant “health care reform”. I let him know that if he didn’t know that the hottest political issue in the nation was known as obamacare, he needed to quit, or if he did know and was just trying to be insulting he needed to be fired. I told him he lost either way. It was shooting ducks in a barrel, but it made for a fun two minute break in the day.

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Oh you sweet crabs are being tossed into the luke warm water. Does it feel good????

PaCadle on March 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Hard to push armed people into the gulags or the gas chambers for that matter.

tarpon on March 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Well it’ll be just swell when they put all of the insurance companies out of business. Mission accomplished!

What will unemployment be at that point?

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Hard to push armed people into the gulags or the gas chambers for that matter.

tarpon on March 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Don’t worry – the commie-libs will have taken the guns away by then. After all, everyone knows that guns are evil and affect people’s health… /sarc

jdawg on March 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Schakowsky should be targeted for big defeat, she is a marxist pig.

tim c on March 4, 2010 at 7:53 PM

What will unemployment be at that point?

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM

By then it’ll probably be easier to count the employed… ;-}

jdawg on March 4, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Honestly, the WH Press Corps… Jeez, these creatures sit there dreaming of an encounter with Obama in a remote private hotel room. Men/Woman doesn’t matter, these people all sit there thinking what Chris Matthews was brave enough to admit.

Lone exception would be Jake Tapper.

Keemo on March 4, 2010 at 7:55 PM

It’s a certainty that the Democrats will pass their healthcare bill in the house. The Democratic legislators are not independent, individual thinkers, they’re compliant leftist slugs just waiting for the commands of comrade Pelosi . . . many bodies but only one mind.

rplat on March 4, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Barry’s desperation is growing. He’ll say anything, promise anything to get “his” ego signature program passed.

GarandFan on March 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I wonder what bo will do when this fails in the House? Nuke Capital Hill? Use IRS to audit all his enemies? Declare Marshall Law? Oh the tantrum he will have, hope we get video!

tim c on March 4, 2010 at 7:59 PM

0-Bama: “If you like your bill, you can keep it…..”

dmh0667 on March 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM

The White House Press Corpse? LOL

d1carter on March 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM

FIFY

GoldenEagle4444 on March 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Obama has always said that change is hard…that we’ll have some rough times. I’ve always thought he meant that in an eggs and omelet fashion.

Kunchich is right of course, this stabilizes (for a while) the healthcare industry….but every farsighted leftist should know the game plan.

This is instrumentalism after all

r keller on March 4, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Hard to push armed people into the gulags or the gas chambers for that matter.

tarpon on March 4, 2010 at 7:50 PM

An armed society is a polite society.

~ Robert A. Heinlein

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Don’t worry, this bill is just the beginning of what we’ll do with health care

Don’t worry, this is just the beginning of our medical experiments on human subjects, said Doctor Victor Obamastein to his laboratory assistant Igorosi.

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Did he forget a minor thing called the November election?

Desperation does not look good on you Barry.

gophergirl on March 4, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Given the ever increasing stupidity and laziness of Americans, within 20 years, one way or another, the govt will run health care.

Even if ObamaCare fails, they will not stop. They will come back and instead of a 2000 page bill in one shot, they will pass 20, 100 page bills over the next decade. After all who could possibly oppose banning pre-existing conditions on its own? And who could possible oppose having some caps on “outrageous premium increases”? And who in the right mind would oppose giving subsidies to the ‘poor’ to buy coverage? And so on.

And by “they” I include Republicans like Snowe, McCain who will bend over backwards to be bipartisan in the destruction of this once great nation.

angryed on March 4, 2010 at 8:13 PM

Memo from The One to progressives: Keep the dream alive.

Victor Obamastein: Look! It’s moving. It’s alive! It’s alive!!

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 8:17 PM

I hate progressives. They must be driven from the field and afforded no quarter. As sure as the sun rises in the east these people are determined to enslave all of us to the state and establish themselves as our masters.

When is the million man armed march?

DerKrieger on March 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Exit question: Think anyone in the White House press corps will lean on Gibbs tomorrow to explain what, specifically, this bill is a “foundation” for?

Be nice if they could ask Obooba, you know, like, in a press conference or something.

Akzed on March 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM

If this is only the foundation, what would be next? We all have to do 1,000 jumping jacks together before going into the rice paddies at 6:00AM?

Akzed on March 4, 2010 at 8:20 PM

angryed on March 4, 2010 at 8:13 PM

That’s been their strategy for generations, incrementalism. And the stupid party goes along each and every time. Instead of challenging the Democrats entire premise they always make the Leftists agree to 50% of what they’re after. In time they always get to 100%.

The Leftists’ agenda must not only be stopped, it must be rolled back and I’m ready to fight to the death to so it.

DerKrieger on March 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM

This is instrumentalism after all

r keller on March 4, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Do you mean incrementalism?

Yes, he wants that foot in the door. His wife, the Obesity Queen, may intrude on the food production/distribution sector as her “do good” project. She has been squawking about the lack of grocery stores in some neighborhoods, neglecting to heed that it is not safe for an owner or manager to have such businesses in those neighborhoods.

Yes, ObaMoa intends to federalize our economy. Taking over the health-care sector is just the beginning of his power grab. Energy production is next.

Any congresscritter who values our liberties and self-determination would run, not walk, away from this bill and vote NO!

onlineanalyst on March 4, 2010 at 8:23 PM

I think we should start calling it the ZombyCare bill.

JimK on March 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM

If this is only the foundation, what would be next? We all have to do 1,000 jumping jacks together before going into the rice paddies at 6:00AM?

Akzed on March 4, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Dear Leader Obama’s songbun system:

The population of Dear Leader Barack Obama’s developing Democratic People’s Republic of Amerika can be roughly divided into three tiers, and ones place in these tiers is called songbun (based on North Korea’s sonbun system). An individuals songbun is based on ones position at the time of Obama’s ascendancy from questionable circumstances of birth to presidential occupation. Kenyan Obama himself, his KKKlingon wife and party members, largely comprised of the capos of Rahm, Axelrod, Reid, Pelosi and the Kennedy Klan and their sub-capos, are the main elite. People who helped to bankrupt the nation while lining their own pockets are at the next level in the songbun hierarchy and often have high committee positions in congress or are appointed to cabinet and czar positions and other high offices. The lowest songbun group is comprised of an as yet to be determined number of distinct classes, each with lower songbun then the next. People who still believe in Ayn Rand’s philosophy of individual rights or in the soon to be completely outdated U.S. Constitution and it’s guarantee of the right of free speech and assembly have the lowest songbun, and consequentially will occupy a role analogous to India’s untouchables.

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM

If this is only the foundation, what would be next? We all have to do 1,000 jumping jacks together before going into the rice paddies at 6:00AM?

Akzed on March 4, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Dear Leader Obama’s songbun system:

The population of Dear Leader Barack Obama’s developing Democratic People’s Republic of Amerika can be roughly divided into three tiers, and ones place in these tiers is called songbun (based on North Korea’s sonbun system). An individuals songbun is based on ones position at the time of Obama’s ascendancy from questionable circumstances of birth to presidential occupation. Kenyan Obama himself, his Clingon wife and party members, largely comprised of the capos of Rahm, Axelrod, Reid, Pelosi and the Kennedy Clan and their sub-capos, are the main elite. People who helped to bankrupt the nation while lining their own pockets are at the next level in the songbun hierarchy and often have high committee positions in congress or are appointed to cabinet and czar positions and other high offices. The lowest songbun group is comprised of an as yet to be determined number of distinct classes, each with lower songbun then the next. People who still believe in Ayn Rand’s philosophy of individual rights or in the soon to be completely outdated U.S. Constitution and it’s guarantee of the right of free speech and assembly have the lowest songbun, and consequentially will occupy a role analogous to India’s untouchables.

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Remind me again how you spell Manchurian.

patrick neid on March 4, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I think we should start calling it the ZombyCare bill.

JimK on March 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM

I was working in the lab late one night
When my eyes beheld an eerie sight
For the Obama monsters from thier slabs began to rise
And suddenly to my surprise

They did the mash
They did the Obama monster mash
The Obama monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
They did the mash
It caught on in a flash
They did the mash
They did the Obama monster mash

The zombies were having fun
The party had just begun
The scene was rockin’, all the ghouls were digging the sounds
America in chains, set upon by Obama’s baying death panel hounds
The coffin-bangers were about to arrive
With their vocal group, “The Crypt-Kicker Pelosi Five”

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Just get a foot in the door so that you can swing it open in a decade year or two when the wheel turns towards progressivism again.

Fify.

Let’s face it. The Tea Party, recent pro-liberty columnist popularity, et al aside, nothing in the culture has fundamentally changed in the past two (actually 40) years.

That means, no matter what happens with elections in November — unless the cultural trend is changed — the country is going to continue to become progressively Progressive. A century-long trend hit a minor speed bump in the 80s, but that’s about it.

The country will have the same public education system, the same media, the same mixed philosophy. That guarantees a continuation of the trend — until and unless those are changed. Is that happening?

JDPerren on March 4, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Given the ever increasing stupidity and laziness of Americans, within 20 years, one way or another, the govt will run health care.

Even if ObamaCare fails, they will not stop. They will come back and instead of a 2000 page bill in one shot, they will pass 20, 100 page bills over the next decade. After all who could possibly oppose banning pre-existing conditions on its own? And who could possible oppose having some caps on “outrageous premium increases”? And who in the right mind would oppose giving subsidies to the ‘poor’ to buy coverage? And so on.

And by “they” I include Republicans like Snowe, McCain who will bend over backwards to be bipartisan in the destruction of this once great nation.

angryed on March 4, 2010 at 8:13 PM

And yet couldn’t all of these issues be addressed first at the state level by limiting the mandates of what the insurance coverage would offer and by offering a menu of insurance options from catastrophic to major hospitalizations/surgery to chronic conditions to blue-ribbon specials to health savings accounts?

Shouldn’t insurance be de-coupled from employment? Shouldn’t insurance premiums be tax-deductible? Shouldn’t pools be available for the hard-to-insure (just as they are for those with poor driving records)?

The federal level should only involve the area of tax deductions. Medicaid takes care of the truly indigent. Many of our working poor have tax credits that begin to supersede the benefits of the middle class. Case in point: S-Chip has grown to be a giveaway to the middle class up to this point; its availability for eligibility should be scaled way back. We are subsidizing the able-bodied.

In terms of the commerce clause rationale, the issue could be addressed by permitting purchase of insurance to meet one’s needs across state lines.

onlineanalyst on March 4, 2010 at 8:42 PM

If they are stupid enough to pass this, then Uhhhbama will tell them “If you want to keep your job, then you need to pass this bill, and this bill”, etc. The idiot dimmocrats will be so worried about the fury they have unleashed that they just might do it.

darwin-t on March 4, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Exit question: Think anyone in the White House press corps will lean on Gibbs tomorrow to explain what, specifically, this bill is a “foundation” for?
Be nice if they could ask Obooba, you know, like, in a press conference or something.

Akzed on March 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Zing!

scalleywag on March 4, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Again and again and again and again and again and again and again they’ve warned people that the dream is bigger than universal coverage or even the public option.

That sounds like a Cure song!

scalleywag on March 4, 2010 at 8:58 PM

LOL @ Rachel Maddow saying Bart Stupak won’t “be allowed” to derail 0bamacare. What’re you going to do, Rachel? Hold him at gun point?

Now she’s harping on some C street townhouse where religious nuts live. So, the meme is that if you are anti-abortion you’re a religious nut.

SouthernGent on March 4, 2010 at 9:05 PM

I’m only 19 and scared fecesless. What is going to happen?

andy85719 on March 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

andy85719 on March 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Imagine if you were a single 55 yr old woman!

scalleywag on March 4, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Freakin’ CommieCare.

n0doz on March 4, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Scrappleface satirist Scott Ott nails it: “Obama wants a straight up-or-down vote on the Constitution.”

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=4524

onlineanalyst on March 4, 2010 at 9:37 PM

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Then factor in who Obama hung out with. Reverend Wright, and Farrakhan. Two white hating individuals. I have to wonder…what happens to all the white people that helped propel Obama to his throne once their usefullness is done?

capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 9:39 PM

I’m only 19 and scared fecesless. What is going to happen?

andy85719 on March 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Your gonna tell your friends their country is in danger of being turned into a Marxist state where everyone will be equally poor and the lazy will recieve the same benefits as the workers who will be forced to pay for the lazy.

You will get yourself and as many of our friends as possible to call, write letters and show up at your congress critters or Senate scumbags office and demand an end to this socialist takeover of 1/6th of the American economy by a lying rat, antiAmerican traitor. You will organize marches and drivebys past their homes, you will make them afraid to vote yes and try to return to their neighborhoods and if that isn’t enough, well, then you decide at what point you give up and accept being a slave to the do nothings and become a laborer payin reperations because cotton pickers decendents are given the fruits of your labor today to make up for giving them the best life their kind can have anywhere in the world and still they demand more.

You will not be beaten down and into submission until their is not strength left in your body to fight the usurpers. You will march on DC if a march is organized or you will organize one.
You will take heart from warriors past and put up a battle Sparticus would be proud of or you will not and become slaves to the prersent crop of DemRats and Anti American freedom haters!

Your choice, your young, your country!

dhunter on March 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM

That means, no matter what happens with elections in November — unless the cultural trend is changed — the country is going to continue to become progressively Progressive. A century-long trend hit a minor speed bump in the 80s, but that’s about it.

The country will have the same public education system, the same media, the same mixed philosophy. That guarantees a continuation of the trend — until and unless those are changed. Is that happening?

JDPerren on March 4, 2010 at 8:41 PM

No,but that’s what the economic collapse will do,and I think that’s happening. In the not too distant future, we’ll look like Greece. Oh I know we can print money and Greece can’t, but even that has it’s limits. The irony for Obama is that he got in because of the financial crisis, but the Dems bankrupted the country with Fannie/Freddie and with Obama’s “rescue.” That means no money left for the great Socialist experiment. Obama promising all this “free” sh*t is like a bum promising you a new car–’aint gonna happen. OTOH, like you say, if we really beat them, destroy their political ideology, we could re-make ourselves. But using HA as a barometer, there’s very little chance of that imo.

JiangxiDad on March 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM

NRO’s Yuval Levin emphasizes that if ObaMaoScare passes in the House, it will become law, a done deal. Talk of reconciliation is a smokescreen. Light up those phone lines, folks.

It’s worth reiterating something Rich and Jeff Anderson have pointed out: The focus on reconciliation in the past few days confuses things a bit. The question in the health-care debate at the moment is whether Nancy Pelosi can get enough of her members to vote for the version of Obamacare that passed the Senate late last year. If the House passes that bill, it will have passed both houses, will go to the president, and will become law.

Some liberal House Democrats have problems with that bill — especially with some of its tax provisions, though also a few other things. So to get some of their votes, the leadership is now telling them that if they vote for the Senate bill, the House could then pass another bill that amends the Senate bill to fix some of what they don’t like about it. The Senate could then pass that amendment bill by reconciliation and it would also become law, and so the sum of the two laws would be closer to what they want.

But that amending bill wouldn’t change the basic character of what would be enacted (and to the extent it would change it at the edges, it would be mostly for the worse): Either way, if the House passes the Senate bill then Obamacare would become law, complete with its massive, overbearing, costly, intrusive, inefficient, and clumsy combination of mandates, taxes, subsidies, regulations, and new government programs intended to replace the American health-insurance industry with an enormous federal entitlement while failing to address the problem of costs. Just about everything the public hates about the bill is in both versions. The prospect of reconciliation is just one of the means that the Democratic leadership is employing to persuade members of the House to ignore the public’s wishes and their own political future and enact Obamacare.

The fate of Obamacre therefore now rests not in the Senate but in the House. It is members of the House who must decide if it will be enacted, and it needs to be clear to voters exactly where their opposition to the Democrats’ approach to health care should be focused now.</blockquote>

onlineanalyst on March 4, 2010 at 10:33 PM

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Then factor in who Obama hung out with. Reverend Wright, and Farrakhan. Two white hating individuals. I have to wonder…what happens to all the white people that helped propel Obama to his throne once their usefullness is done?

capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Yeah, makes me think of people like my liberal up-state New York cousins. Oh, they have already cashed in on all the govt. givaways and played the system all their liberal lives and they will continue to serve the monster they helped get elected. All the while living in their delusion that they are in solidarity with the anti-war “peace” movement and on the side of the disadvantaged.

And while thinking themselves Christians, they will continue to back odemon even as he persecutes thousands of true Christians who will lose everything and suffer greatly rather than participate in the murder of the unborn at the order of the madman-in-cheif as he uses health care to dare to attempt to control our very souls and bend them to his perverted and revolting will.

btw, his hideous abortion record was known but hidden by the msm, but I give no excuse to those who say they didn’t know – when odemon was an IL Senator, he personally blocked FOUR times the Infant Born Alive Protection Act. He lied and said that it was worded differently than the Federal law, and he took to the Senate floor to speak against it as well as killing it another time in his committee. This happened as 2 out of 10 babies were and are being born alive in late term (5-6 months) induced labor abortions in Illinois and being left to die in the soiled linen or utitlity closets. The numbers come to many hundreds yearly.

He certainly didn’t vote present on this, in fact he was viciously single-minded in making sure the babies would keep on dying.

The fact that we could elect a man of such depravity and savagery speaks volumes about how low we have become as a nation, now we get what we deserve. We should have had a Human Life Amendment.

hat tip to an American Thinker poster, who reminded me of odemon’s Illinois abortion hijinks and who I poached from for this post.

tigerlily on March 4, 2010 at 10:38 PM

With all due respect, there seem to be far too many pessimists amongst the hotair commenters.

I predict that it is over and we won. Old Jug Ears is toast and he may very well never get anything else passed no matter what he does.

The size and shape of our victory is yet to be decided. Of course there is also a third option – the GOP elite option.

That’s called snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Elite inside-the-Beltway Repubs are very experienced at it.

platypus on March 5, 2010 at 12:53 AM

He all but told them he plans to sacrifice them for his communist wet dream. I hope they figured that out.

dogsoldier on March 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM

Obama pointed Kucinich toward single-payer language that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was able to get into the bill. Kucinich fought for an amendment that would allow states to adopt single-payer systems without getting sued by insurance companies.

In a sane world, how would such a law be constitutional.
We’ll drive you out of business and will pass a law that makes it impossible for you to get any compensation.

MarkTheGreat on March 5, 2010 at 8:37 AM

Pelosi will get the votes because none of the members have anything to lose by voting for it. The only thing that seems to be stopping them now is distrust of the Senate and that only matters to those who plan to make Congress a career.

How many is that really? How many members of the House really need the paycheck? How many won’t leave with pensions that pay more than most of us will ever make in a year?

How many can’t parlay their political careers into lucrative jobs that pay more with less restrictions? How many are in the 60′s and 70′s and have been RIP’d for years?

Even Nancy Pelosi would lose nothing if her district managed to run a candidate who could beat her. She rose to the most powerful position in this country. She’s rich. She’s almost 70. I wouldn’t be surprised if she decided not to run for re-election in 2010 if this bill passes. I’d be willing to bet she won’t run again. She’ll want to go out on top as a winner.

Jaynie59 on March 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM