Is reconciliation the biggest problem in ObamaCare push?
posted at 10:55 am on March 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Over the last few days, readers have sent a number of e-mails objecting to our focus on reconciliation as the big problem facing the opposition to ObamaCare. Reconciliation is just a ruse, they warn. The real danger is that the House will pass the Senate version of ObamaCare and that Barack Obama will sign it into law. The Senate doesn’t have to do anything at that point, except perhaps dodge the missiles tossed across the Capitol’s parking lot from their colleagues in the House after stiffing them on fixing their concerns.
That certainly has some truth to it. The House has had the option to do just that ever since the Senate passed its version in late December. The House can do that at any time during this session of Congress, which ends in December. They do not need to even put it through the committee process, but can bring it to the floor expeditiously — and Republicans have no way to stop it. If Nancy Pelosi ever decides to do that — presuming she can get the votes to pass it — Obama would surely sign the bill.
If that’s all it took, though, it would already have been done. The problem is that the Senate bill is unpopular among Democrats in the House, mainly for three reasons. First, the Senate stripped out the public option. Progressives have come to a grudging understanding that they’re not going to revive that. However, they’re not at all pleased with the so-called Cadillac tax funding mechanism in the Senate bill, primarily because it will hammer union workers who won big health-care benefits over the years. Finally, on the opposite end of the Democratic caucus, the abortion issue has made the Senate bill a bridge too far for at least a dozen Representatives who voted for the bill the first time — when it passed by only five votes.
Pelosi, a member of the progressive caucus, made it clear that the Senate version was not acceptable and would not be the last word. She may change her mind at some point, but thus far, we’re not seeing much indication that enough of her Democratic caucus is willing to come along if she does. They’re only reluctantly proceeding with strategies to pass the Senate bill, conditional on passing a parallel bill that addresses their objections. The parallel bill is what would have to go through reconciliation, and now some Democrats have publicly insisted that the parallel bill would have to go through first. Harry Reid wants to use reconciliation to keep Republicans from filibustering the parallel bill and grinding the entire strategy to a halt.
Perhaps Democrats might feel as though they can simply trust the Senate to get the parallel bill accomplished and move forward on the Senate’s ObamaCare bill. That would take a rather extraordinary investment in the good intentions of both Reid and the White House. Unfortunately, as the Washington Post reported this week, that trust is in mighty short supply in the House:
Another senior member of the House Democratic caucus put it more bluntly. “I don’t think the White House has listened to him enough,” said the member, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss frustration with the White House. “There is this growing sense in the House that this White House is tone-deaf and doesn’t care about 2010, that it is sacrificing members for 2012 and that the president thinks he doesn’t need to get engaged, or that he thinks politics don’t matter and that he could care less about what is happening on the streets of our districts. That’s not Rahm.”
The battle is certainly in the House, without question, as well as in the Senate. Like any Rube Goldberg device, the reconciliation strategy has a number of vulnerable points where a little sand in the gears will cause the whole mechanism to break down. That means we have to keep our eyes on the entire strategy, not just on one process, which Republicans and other ObamaCare opponents are doing.
The real nightmare scenario isn’t that the House might pass the Senate bill now, or in April. It’s that Democrats might get stymied now, and then pass the Senate bill after the midterms in late November, and allow Obama to sign it into law well after the time when voters have held them accountable for their radical agenda.
Update: The Anchoress wonders whether Obama’s thinking, “Your lips say no but your eyes say yes.”









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The real threat is President M.T. Suit’s Malignant Narcissism
SeniorD on March 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I honestly fear what would happen in this country if they did that. I can only imagine how severe the backlash would be. At the very least, the democrat party would be damaged for decades. At the very worst…..scary.
MississippiMom on March 4, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Oh my. This IS the nightmare scenario. And something that we must take into account when the midterms happen.
JamesLee on March 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM
If they were seen planning that strategy, it would be even worse than the other alternatives of passing it now, or failing to pass it, in terms of electoral consequences. Additionally, if it was passed via reconciliation, it would be repealed on the same basis within weeks of the 2011 opening session.
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Assuming they’re not leaving the country after they lose their jobs, I don’t think it’s well after the time they can be held accountable for their actions.
JiangxiDad on March 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM
So then, we have to get the House back.
The intrigue never stops with Bamster.
JKahn913 on March 4, 2010 at 11:04 AM
I share your same fear. Lame duck pols, who have already paid the penalty, voted yea anyways and give Obama the green light to ruin our economy. I quiver in fear at the prospect of having to try and repeal this monster IF we are lucky enough to retake the House and/or Senate.
search4truth on March 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM
The moment they would do a boneheaded stunt like that, it would practically mean the end of the Democratic Party as a major political influence, because any trust the American people would have remaining in them would be gone, and they would then be exposed as the power-mongerers they really are.
pilamaye on March 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM
How would the House be able to pass the Senate bill after the midterms, assuming, of course, that the elections go as we hope?
Second, how can the Senate pass a parallel bill via reconciliation when no law actually exists (meaning it hasn’t passed the House or been signed into law by Obama)?
Can’t they only pass a parallel bill by reconciliation to amend existing law?
Am I missing something here?
hooligan on March 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM
The more I think about it, the less likely it appears to me. I can’t see Stupak and his group voting for the senate bill, when the promised senate fixes are all but impossible to achieve at that point.
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM
One wonders what would have happened if Obama had pushed for the normal conference process between the House and the Senate. Circumventing this process in favor of closed-door negotiations seems to have increased the distrust between the chambers, a distrust that is now coming back to bite the leadership.
Slublog on March 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM
I suppose it’s a good thing that Democrats and Republicans can agree on something…
Obama will say anything to get his way. His promises mean nothing.
That simple fact may be his undoing. He’s just as good a liar as he thinks he is.
Dorvillian on March 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Here’s the problem … put on your “Imma-Liberal-Congressman-and-I-have-to-make-a-vote” hat …
Or you can put on your “Imma-Bart Stupack-Pro-Life” hat …
1. You don’t like the Senate Bill.
2. Queen Nancy says … “Vote for it anyway – we’ll fix it”
3. Harry Reid says … “Yeah, what she says … check’s in the mail guys!”
4. GOP Senators say … “Uhm, yeah – we’re ready to fight like hell to keep this bill from passing reconciliation”.
5. Harry Reid says … “Oh don’t worry about them – Imma mean dog and I’lz bite those ‘publicans!”
It all comes down to this … Do you trust Reid to actually DO what he promises and … Do you trust that Harry Reid can win the fight with the Republicans? Cuz if he renegs on the deal or he’s defeated by the GOP in the Senate – then you have this very ugly bill out there that has now become law.
HondaV65 on March 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM
At this point it’s nothing but a bludgeon with which to beat Republicans.
If the Communists pass this monstrosity after they lose big time in Nov, it would be overturned in two months.
Akzed on March 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM
This would just be another campaign pledge for the GOP. Vote for me, or my DemoRAT opponent will vote for the Senate bill after the election.
ladyingray on March 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM
I thought the urgency on passing this mess was that it was tied to the 2009 budget and there was a time limit sometime in April 2010? Wouldn’t they have to create a wholly new bill based on the 2010 budget with a new deadline if they waited till November?
reginaldL on March 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Are you telling me that we may have to listen to this healthcare crap until next Christmas? That means the disenter’s have a whole nine months to hold for their goodies.
So much for that focus and hard pivot on jobs.
Knucklehead on March 4, 2010 at 11:08 AM
If the democrat party keeps on it’s path, so blatantly ignoring the will of the people, and especially if they do it in a lame duck session after the voters have spoken and handed them MASSIVE losses they are playing with HUGE fire here.
Fire as in what they are playing with if they continue to ignore the ballot. Our system is supposed to allow revolution via the ballot. But because the Founders were wise men who anticipated a possible government that would ignore the ballot they made sure to put in the 2nd Amendment so we’d have the bullet as a last result.
The democrats are so determined to get nationalized healthcare, which is the holy grail for transforming us into a Euro-socialist state, that they are willing to risk this, it seems.
My fear if it ever comes to “the bullet” that so far, in all of history, there has only been ONE George Washington, he is the only military leader of a successful revolution to ever completely lay down power voluntarily immediately afterword.
The donks in Washington had darn well BETTER imagine the possibility of one day being lined up against a wall and facing firing squads. That is a possibility that enters the picture the further they go off the rails in subverting our laws, precedents, and principles.
wildcat84 on March 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM
The repeal would still require Obama’s signature and 51 Senate votes. We would have neither.
a capella on March 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth….
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM
If Democrats lose control of Congress in the midterms and pass this bill shortly after the election, and Obama signs it, it would mean the effective end of his presidency. He would be the lamest of lame ducks, having poisoned relations between him and the new Congress before they even had a chance to be sworn in.
Slublog on March 4, 2010 at 11:10 AM
If they manage to push this through after they lose control of the house in November I’m afraid of what that will do to this country.
If we can no longer control our government, what is the point of obeying any of it’s laws?
Mord on March 4, 2010 at 11:10 AM
I’d bet there would be 51 votes, but the veto is probable. Of course, a law like this needs funding, which it won’t get….
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM
No I don’t think your scenario is the worst that can happen because the dems are going to lose a lot of seats no matter what. IF they retain control of the house even then, it will till be a hard go, harder than it is now for nancy to herd cats. The senate make up will have changed drastically and obama for all intents and purposes may be a lame duck. IF they try biting the HC apple there after, I don’t think the house will be able to muster the votes…..this is their last best chance. And \passing this POS via reconciliation, will not be a wonder tonic for any dem., Pyrrhus of Epirus is on the white courtesy phone…
imperator on March 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM
The dangerous period is after the elections (supposing the Democrats lose the House) but before the new Congress is seated in January. So for the rest of November and December you still have Pelosi’s hard left House, with nothing more to lose and a lot of axes to grind. I think they’ll do it, if indeed the elections go as I hope they will.
jwolf on March 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Yep.
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Clinton’s advising him?
JiangxiDad on March 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM
I could be wrong but think that applies only to the reconciliation process.
a capella on March 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM
I have been saying this since last summer. The time between the mid-terms and the next Congress will be a very, very dangerous time for our country.
SouthernGent on March 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM
The Judgeship Payoff was a signal that the administration will reward the “yes”-vote congressmen with Machine Jobs when the voters fire them.
Even Capone only bought judges–this gang buys and sells them.
Noel on March 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM
It will be worse than that. With 10% unemployment continuing, and the economy heading into the double dip, a pissed off new Congress will be the least of their worries. There WILL be civil unrest.
wildcat84 on March 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Does anyone know the answer to this;
As in the Mass. election in January, the sitting Senator had now legal authority (although he did..surprise surprise)to vote once the winner was declared.
Was that a special election provision?
katy on March 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM
had NO legal authority
katy on March 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Which is why the GOP, which is already preparing to campaign on “repeal!” if this thing passes also needs to campaign on “impeach!”. Any judicial appointment Obama makes in this way need to be filibustered if possible, and impeached as soon as possible.
wildcat84 on March 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Ahhh!!!! You mean I have maintain this level of stress for the next year. Damn it!
TWG78 on March 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM
All true, but do you think Obama would have good working relations with a Republican Congress in any case? This is the leftwingers’ Holy Grail. They’ll do it, out of spite if not for any other motivation. Bet on it.
jwolf on March 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM
I may be in error, but to override a bill that the Pres. has signed requires two-thirds of the Senate.
honsy on March 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM
If Obama does that, he will be lucky to achieve Nixonian-level approval ratings. He would lose whatever goodwill might remain with all but the most devoted Obama supporters.
Slublog on March 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM
There ya go.
a capella on March 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM
It’s 2/3rds to override a veto.
But the GOP, if we get control of at least the House, can “veto” via refusing to include authorizing funding for any such thing in the budget.
wildcat84 on March 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM
I personally think this is a huge challenge to American voters.
It’s the responsibility of opposition to present that challenge.
If America wishes to get off the roller-coaster of trying to even out recession hits, they’ll like a more European method, even if it means higher taxes.
Here’s what I see the real challenge as being. You can’t pretend to be fiscally conservative while raising every cost on consumers. Just because it’s not called a “tax” doesn’t mean it’s not a fixed cost in life.
So for voters? What’s the difference, really?
You say you hate taxes. You even are in a state that has no income tax. But if your energy costs are sky-high, your property tax is unbelievable, your state “fees” are ridiculous..
What’s the difference?
AnninCA on March 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Especially if the gays take over.
*ducks, weaves, zig zags back toward bunker*
Bishop on March 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Having the Senate Bill passed in the House and signed by Obama with no further action is probably the worst case scenario for House Dems. Even if reconciliation works they know that they have already lost the majority of the center and all of the right. Passage of the Senate Bill without a fix means they will lose the left too. They will be primaried and successfully.
Whatever the highest number of seats pundits put in play are they are already underestimating it IMHO. If the Senate bill passes with no fix you would easily see over 100 Democratic incumbents lose their seat, either to R’s or in a primary. Maybe even half the current Dem House incumbents.
They is a difference between asking someone to fall on their sword for the cause and asking them all to drink the Kool-Aid together.
Rocks on March 4, 2010 at 11:18 AM
That would set up an interesting deadlock. I would guess it would go to the Supreme Court then?
jwolf on March 4, 2010 at 11:18 AM
If it got to that point, he’d be down to support from the true marxists in his caucus (the Pelosis of the world) and blacks. It might even be so bad he drops from his current 95% support from blacks down to 65%…
It might even be so bad that his own party forces him to resign rather than suicide what is left of their own careers.
wildcat84 on March 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Man, this is like trying to decipher Kremlin politics back when the Progressive Soviet Union was around.
Chip on March 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM
I don’t fear the lame duck status, I fear what he can and will do with his power to use “executive decisions”.
Knucklehead on March 4, 2010 at 11:20 AM
The elections in November will be interesting , I think if any elected official voted yes at ANY point of the process , then all the scenarios will be used against them.
Hillary warned of Obama’s 3 a.m. call , now we see more and more of our elected officials received the 3 a.m. call and through either corruption or ineptness their response to the call gets a big ” F”
ELMO Q on March 4, 2010 at 11:20 AM
I honestly think we would see violence if it got to that point. And it wouldn’t surprise me if the Dems did this. They know that this is their last, best chance at socializing the country via health care for at least a generation. They’re not going to give up. If they were going to actually do the jobs they were elected for and actually listen to their constituants, the Town Halls over the summer should have killed this boondoggle right then and there. But they don’t care, that’s why they’re going for broke.
crazy_legs on March 4, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Nope. The supreme court can’t ORDER Congress to pass funding legislation, the Constitution clearly states that this responsibility lies with the House.
I don’t see this current court doing that anyway.
wildcat84 on March 4, 2010 at 11:21 AM
I agree, but I really have a hard time believing Obama would sign this much-hated bill during that time. Despite his posturing regarding elections, he wants to be re-elected. After all, he’s already started up his campain office…
ladyingray on March 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Good point. Would that invalidate the passage? The donks would fight it all the way to the Supremes and that would buy them enough time.
a capella on March 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Agreed, but he has good reason to be careful there, as well. If his actions start to really hurt not just his but any other Democrat’s chance to keep the presidency in 2012, he will get considerable pushback from party leaders, orchestrated by the Clintons.
Slublog on March 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Ann, a European style welfare state is NOT protection against recessions. To the contrary, job creation in most Western European countries has tended to stagnate for years. Recessions have been longer and deeper in Europe than in the US.
jwolf on March 4, 2010 at 11:23 AM
That’s what I meant. A repeal would be vetoed, but congress would withold funding, effectively killing it.
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:24 AM
I don’t think this is likely at all. Congress is only in session for about half the time between election day and swearing in. Casting a vote like this would turn them into pariahs at home at a time they would be looking for work. There would be enough No’s even with Dems to block this for the short time the House is in session.
Rocks on March 4, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Europe is in the worst recession since the end of World War II. Their economic policies and their taxes have done nothing to ease the pain.
Slublog on March 4, 2010 at 11:26 AM
With the real nightmare scenario hanging over our heads, we can expect the economic malaise to be around the rest of the year.
WashJeff on March 4, 2010 at 11:26 AM
If it is your opinion that life is so much more wonderful in Europe, then MOVE!!!!!!!!
ladyingray on March 4, 2010 at 11:27 AM
The MA law stated that the person appointed to that seat was no longer the Senator once the election was held. He had no authority to continue voting, something which could have been challenged in court if necessary, and the Repubs should have objected to loudly and continuously.
ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM
You forgot the ;-) at the end of your comment.
WashJeff on March 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM
No, it would just die. There is no constitutional question involved.
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Ed,
Do you know if the politicians who lose their seats would have the legal authority to cast votes after the Nov election results were confirmed?
As in the Mass. election laws stating the Paul Kirk had no legal authority to cast a vote after the winner was declared.
katy on March 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM
How I wish I could ban you, for this socialist sh*t, for your gross stupidity, and much more. Why you’re tolerated here, and enjoyed by some, is beyond me. I do think I’ll be banned before you will.
JiangxiDad on March 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM
At this point it is clear that the House is the key. The Senate will do anything possible to avoid a situation where more than 51 votes are required. (Well, really just 50 + VP). So, the House is where this will be won or lost.
t.ferg on March 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM
via Drudge, Obama just appointed a Dem Rep’s brother to a judge position.
I don’t care how qualified the brother is, this Rep is a yes vote. When is Obama impeachable? Seems like he has certainly crossed the line by now.
ORconservative on March 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM
JiangxiDad on March 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM
+1
ORconservative on March 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM
As for what happens after the regular biennial elections for Congress, the current holders of an office, whether they were re-elected or voted out, continue in that office until the new Congress convenes in January of the following year. They can do anything they want, no matter how spiteful, arbitrary or infuriating their constituents may find it.
ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Yes they do. They’re still sitting Congressmen and Senators until the new session convenes in January. It’s not like the special election scenario at all.
jwolf on March 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Says the fool who just a few days ago called for a smaller government.
Vashta.Nerada on March 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Oh the black vote is not the game changer here . The Indy vote is . Here in Alabama the Dem always gets the black vote, Gore, Carter , and Clinton all received almost EXACTLY the same amount ( some research suggests they actually won more of the black vote here than Obama did ) .
IN a lot of states ( like here in Bama ) the black vote is highly concentrated in but a few counties .
So if Obama could win 100% of the black vote and receive electoral votes ….that is only about 12 % of the population ( and even less because of age restrictions on voting )
Then pull the other 10-12% of the hard core Radical left he still comes up empty .
This could very well be the makings of seeing a huge CONSERVATIVE sweep like we had with uncle Ronnie .
In my state there is a bill to split up the electoral votes ,rather than award them all to the winner of the state .Most of the analysts say it will not change anything because of density of population in metro areas.
The dems have long tried to ” redistrict ” the voting areas and all other tricks to sway elections , it has backfired, there is a genuine distrust of everything in D.C.
A few states Like California and New York are all but automatic votes for the Dem candidate .
The real key here is the white INDY voter and also females
I am sure Nevada would not vote for Obama again , and Ohio is likely to not go his way either , wouldn’t take much for him to be defeated and if they held the election right now it would be very ugly for him
ELMO Q on March 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Who’s in charge anyways,
Rahm
Emanuel.
Or Barry.. something
Chip on March 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM
I know. What I’m asking is, is there a federal rule that states the same provision after midterms if the Dems try to pass it after the elections?
Or.. would the states laws (as in Mass) be enough to stop the Senators on their way, out from voting?
katy on March 4, 2010 at 11:32 AM
Are you kidding me? Are you not paying attention to what’s going on in Greece and the riots in the streets? Unemployment in Spain at almost 20%? The UK on the verge of collapse?
Knucklehead on March 4, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Nonsense, I have not yet begun to defile myself.
ladyingray on March 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Wow! This quote has been getting some attention.
Just like our Senators and Representives use our money to buy elections.
BO will promise all of those who are thrown under the buss high level administrative jobs that will lead to even better K-Street Value after his presidency goes down in Flames.
This is the Dooms Day Scenario.
This is whave Hopenchange is all about
SayNo2-O on March 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Giggles has already said he’d sacrifice his potential second term to turn us into a socialist workers’ paradise. I would not doubt for a second that if they tried to pull this that he would sign it.
Narcissism married to ideology with a healthy dose of simple stupidity is dangerous under normal circumstances. And this is what we have in the White House.
crazy_legs on March 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Until 0bama packs the court.
Which seems to me, as becoming a distinct possibility, especially when the realization that he’s a one-term lame duck hits him after November.
Rebar on March 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Good point. Europeans have to deal with the VAT – the ‘invisible tax’ – which clobbers them in just these ways. Be thankful our politicians haven’t managed to get that sneakery turned into law yet.
Dark-Star on March 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Remember, for example, that the results of voting by the Electoral College (That wicked, wicked anachronism of the Founding Fathers — Al Gore) are reported to Congress sometime around mid-December of the Presidential election year. The Congress to which this report is made is the currently sitting Congress.
ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:36 AM
There is another possibility you know. Some have quietly started suggesting that Obama is out of his mind.
He may well believe he can help them all get reelected or that they will win. He surely thought Marcia would win.
What if Obama IS actually insane? Worse, what if he actually is out to deliberately destroy our country as some suggest, and at any price?
Does he exhibit the behavior of a rational mind?
dogsoldier on March 4, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Think about what that parallel bill will look like: it will lower taxes (on Cadillac plans); it will stop funding for abortions; it will remove the payoffs to buy votes; and it may add a few other GOP-type ideas to the overall bill.
The optics will look topsy turvy if the GOP pulls out all available procedural stops to prevent those changes from coming into effect AFTER the House passes the Senate bill, because then the Senate bill could be signed into law at any time. POTUS can say: “you don’t want to stop funding for abortions. Fine, abortions for everyone!”
If I were a house DEM worried about whether the fix bill would pass the Senate, I really wouldn’t be too worried, because the GOP are going to support the changes in that bill!
I hope none of them reads this post though
tommylotto on March 4, 2010 at 11:36 AM
He’ not going to pack the court…
Republicans will use the
Nuclear OptionReconciliationan Up or Down vote to block his un-savory ilks.SayNo2-O on March 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM
It’s a suicide pact between the House and Senate, with each side saying ‘you first’.
Ain’t gonna happen.
DrW on March 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM
This is UNPRECEDENTED – an American President and Congress at war with the American people.
How despicable and sad.
Stephanie on March 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM
I have a question about the Senate. Bob Dole frequently voted with democrats so he would have the option to bring up the matter for reconsideration. Can Dan Brown move to reconsider the Senate’s bill since his predecessor voted for it? And would the passage of the bill on reconsideration require 60 votes or 51 votes?
Mark30339 on March 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Perhaps Obama’s nonchalant attitude towards the 2010, and 2012 elections is because, they really see no need for worry. Isn’t Rahm handling the census himself? I’m guessing some new district lines will be drawn in Democrats favor…and there may not be much of a change?
capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM
There may be state laws that stipulate whether a sitting member of Congress is authorized or not to continue voting after having been voted out of office and prior to the new Congress convening. The issue hasn’t come up in the past, however, so I’m inclined to think that there are relatively few (or no) states where this is the case.
ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Exactly….and why are they collapsing? Partially due to government workers making to much, and getting nice retirement packages. With the government growing excessively here, and the debt, and deficit at levels we’ve never seen before…..what’s happening in Europe will be happening here. Sooner than we think.
I think some person is just giddy at the notion of getting free health care, and be d*mned to everything else.
capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 11:43 AM
Except in Mass.
It would be an interesting thing to look into if it looks like this could happen.
katy on March 4, 2010 at 11:44 AM
As I recall, Dole voted that way when the bill had too few votes to pass at that moment. If, later on, he had corraled sufficient votes to pass the bill, he was then in a position to have it reconsidered.
The difference here is that the bill has passed the Senate already, not failed to pass.
ya2daup on March 4, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Whatever happens with the Census (and I have no doubts the Democrats will cheat as much as possible with it), the 2010 elections will be under the existing district boundaries. 2012 is a different story, but the 2010 elections will decided who goes into the state legislatures that draw up the new districts.
jwolf on March 4, 2010 at 11:45 AM
I honestly don’t know for sure, but my guess would be no. Scott Browns predecessor was within his legal right to vote yea or nay as he saw fit at the time. I don’t think Browns election win, is grounds for anything that happened before he was elected?! Just my opinion.
capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Okie dokie. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I wasn’t sure :)
So definitely, a lot of corruption will be coming out of the 2012 elections. I don’t mind saying that is probably 99.9% factual. Knowing this bunch of goons, anyway.
capejasmine on March 4, 2010 at 11:46 AM
The new congress doesn’t take office until January. Until then the defeated reps and sens still hold office and can still vote.
MarkTheGreat on March 4, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Article 2, Section 1.5 (Executive Qualifications) needs to be amended to require a certificate of mental health, so we end up with no more madmen!
PrincipledPilgrim on March 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Nancy doesn’t have the votes. If she did, the bill would be on the floor for a vote. Push comes to shove, the House does not trust the Senate. They are not going to vote ‘yes’, hoping that the Senate will pass the changes they want. They want those changes up front. That begs the question, how do you legally ‘change’ a law that isn’t yet ‘a law’?
GarandFan on March 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Priceless advice, Ed. +1
Is this the “Overton Window” that we need to ignore? Ie, keep the big picture in mind, in addition to the detail issues?
Good points.
ted c on March 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Using “liberal logic.”
…of which I realize is a paradox.
PrincipledPilgrim on March 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM
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