Quotes of the day

posted at 10:50 pm on March 3, 2010 by Allahpundit

“‘We’ve seen more threats and actual attacks in the past 18 months than we’ve seen at any given period over the past 15 years,’ claimed Potok.

“Potok said he blames some public personalities and conservative politicians for inciting fear.

“Potok cited talk-show host Glenn Beck for stoking fears that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running concentration camps, former CNN host Lou Dobbs for incurring fears about supposed Mexican plots to take over the southwestern U.S., Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., for making statements about secret political reeducation camps, and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for referring to Obama ‘death panels’ during the health care debate. Bachmann and Beck are also cited by name in the SPLC’s report, but Dobbs and Palin are not.

“‘These people help to bring completely groundless conspiracy theories from the margins into the mainstream,’ said Potok.”

***
“I hate these folks but I also understand them. And, well, uh, I also empathize with them. They share the same psychology as the paranoid patients I treat every day. The only difference is that the paranoid beliefs of the Tea Party movement are political while those in my consulting room are of a more personal nature. The causes and dynamics, however, are the same. And so just as I have empathy for my patients, I have come to have empathy for the Tea Partiers, even as I despise their influence and work hard to defeat their ideology. It’s crucial that the Left does likewise because if we don’t understand the ways that decent, god-fearing, and victimized people can come to espouse such a dangerous ideology, we won’t be able to fight them effectively…

“The ‘problem’ is that Tea Party activists move from legitimate feelings and normal longings to paranoid political positions that are dangerous and cruel. But because these positions serve an important psychological function, because they resolve an emotional dilemma, they can’t be changed by rational argument. I have never been able to help a paranoid patient even a little bit by arguing with his or her view of reality. Not one bit. The only way I have been able to make any headway is using our relationship to provide real experiences that have a shot at providing an alternative and more satisfying ‘solution’ to their underlying fears. Only then can I begin to offer a counter-narrative, one that acknowledges their pain and innocence, but enables them to more accurately identify its sources and, therefore, its antidote.”

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“Even as Perry successfully tapped into the raw anger toward Washington, other Tea Party-inspired candidates found little success.

“Debra Medina, the third GOP gubernatorial contender and the most authentic outsider in the contest, garnered only about 19 percent of the vote…

“While 86-year-old Rep. Ralph Hall had the closest contest, he still bested his nearest challenger, a self-proclaimed ‘Tea Party Republican,’ by a two-to-one margin.

“Of those Republican incumbents who supported the TARP legislation in 2008 – Reps. Kevin Brady, Mike Conaway, Kay Granger, Lamar Smith, and Pete Sessions – Granger got the lowest vote percent. And she took 70 percent against two opponents.”

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“Memo to the Left: New Rules. We will no longer sit by and tolerate your taunts of ‘racist’ and ‘Nazi.’ If you want to have a substantive, respectful discussion about the best direction for our country, fine. But from this moment on, every time you call us Nazis — every time — you’re going to get another one of these gentle reminders about the origins and personalities of the National Socialist German Workers Party until you stop.”

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Hmmm QOTD???

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 10:53 PM

“Potok cited talk-show host Glenn Beck for stoking fears that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running concentration camps

Beck debunked that you lying snake.

boomer on March 3, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center

and

Michael Bader is a psychologist and psychoanalyst in San Francisco. He has written extensively on issues at the interface of psychology, culture, and politics. For more information, visit his website at http://www.michaelbader.com.

To quote Allahpundit: “Dude”

notropis on March 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM

“Even as Perry successfully tapped into the raw anger toward Washington, other Tea Party-inspired candidates found little success.

Dude….

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/15/audio-rick-perry-flirts-with-secession-at-tea-party-presser/

ninjapirate on March 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Blogger Dan Riehl was quotable today about reconciliation:

“Only a fool with no clear appreciation of, or for, America past and present, would dare undertake what this pustule in the White House is attempting to do. . .

“This neophyte, this joke we have in the White House has absolutely no idea of the force and the rage he is about to unleash on him and his entire political party. If there are not enough responsible adults left within his party to rein in this accidental, affirmative action jerk, this self-styled, extremely flawed little man, then his party is worthless to America. It deserves to be marginalized electorally and, ultimately, utterly destroyed . . .”

Emperor Norton on March 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

The MSM is doing their best to push the narrative that the Tea Party and Conservatives are angry and on the cusp of a violent outburst.

The thing is–they’re the angry ones, prone to violent outbursts.

conservative pilgrim on March 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Michael Bader is a psychologist and psychoanalyst in San Francisco. He has written extensively on issues at the interface of psychology, culture, and politics. For more information, visit his website at http://www.michaelbader.com.

To quote Allahpundit: “Dude”

notropis on March 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM

He is also a proud member of SEIU! I kid you, not.

texgal on March 3, 2010 at 11:02 PM

“Even as Perry successfully tapped into the raw anger toward Washington, other Tea Party-inspired candidates found little success.

Back in the dark days of last April… when Rahm was talking about not letting a crisis go to waste… Perry was really the first mainstream politician to flirt with the tea party people…

“There’s a lot of different scenarios,” Perry said. “We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.”

ninjapirate on March 3, 2010 at 11:03 PM

former CNN host Lou Dobbs for incurring fears about supposed Mexican plots to take over the southwestern U.S.

Which might have something to do with the La Raza members walking around with Aztlan signs showing the southwestern US as part of Mexico.

and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for referring to Obama ‘death panels’ during the health care debate.

Those would be the non-existent death panels we were later assured by the media had been removed in a revision of the legislation?

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Emperor Norton on March 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

heh. Good quote. Much better than that moronic Michael Bader rant.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Oh, and you know liberals are desperate when they’ve resorted to accusing everyone who opposes them of racism, violent extremism, and insanity.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM

I say that the Tea Party movement is a rational response to intolerable conditions. Meanwhile, Mr. Psyuckwad Analyst, you suffer from a severe case of cranial-rectal insertion syndrome. Plus it didn’t take me 8 years of listening to psychobabble to reach this conclusion.

GnuBreed on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

But from this moment on, every time you call us Nazis — every time — you’re going to get another one of these gentle reminders about the origins and personalities of the National Socialist German Workers Party until you stop.”

another raving, paranoid lunatic. every time you repeat this idiocy about the nazi party, we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

They share the same psychology as the paranoid patients I treat every day.

This whack-job is treating paranoids? Man, that’s a disaster waiting to happen.

And so just as I have empathy for my patients, I have come to have empathy for the Tea Partiers, even as I despise their influence and work hard to defeat their ideology.

Wow. “despise”? Hmmmm. His paranoids must really feel great, now. Hey! Check out how your doctor really feels ….

This is one real fruitcake. I could see him biting someone’s finger off at a Town Hall. What was the description of that guy?

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:09 PM

I can see why they prefer to pretend Scott Brown never happened. Better to talk about a truther nutjob who Beck exposed as an example of the Tea Party’s impotence.

Emperor Norton on March 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Based on your quote, Dan Riehl gets it. If what I saw happen in MA can happen here of all places I can only imagine what it will be like in the rest of the country.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2010 at 11:09 PM

another raving, paranoid lunatic. every time you repeat this idiocy about the nazi party, we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

He stated his goal to destroy capitalism, was a vegetarian and ardent anti-smoking campaigner, and, oh yeah, socialist.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:12 PM

I bet King George thought those rubes in the Colonies were mentally ill/unstable as well to get so upset over a few taxes.

“All of this has happened before…”

Sharr on March 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

another raving, paranoid lunatic. every time you repeat this idiocy about the nazi party, we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

So that’s now the definition of “Right”? Nationalism, promoting exceptionalism, and denouncing multiculturalism?

What would that make Mao? Wilson? Far-Right?

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Wow. You’re desperately in need of a history lesson, son.

What grade are you in anyway?

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

To but it bluntly, Potok is a wild eyed nut.

d1carter on March 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

He stated his goal to destroy capitalism, was a vegetarian and ardent anti-smoking campaigner, and, oh yeah, socialist.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Not to mention a “gun control advocate.” He was against all ownership of firearms, unless you were the SS.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Bush is Hitler!!!111!!!
/sarc

andycanuck on March 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM

And let us not forget Hitler’s favoring of collectivism, opposition to political and economic freedom, support for eugenics, and, as previously mentioned, Hitler’s anti-capitalist stance.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Not to mention a “gun control advocate.” He was against all ownership of firearms, unless you were the SS.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM

OK, Hitler and his fellow leftist authoritarians saw the state as the solution. Since when is that right wing? Yes, I know you realize the stupidity here – just a question more for the lefty trolls.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Emperor Norton on March 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

I ascribe more malevolence to the intentions of The Precedent, but that is one great quote.

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:17 PM

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM

Thank you for your sanity Allah otherwise I swear I was an inkblot.

By the way Liberals commented about violence when those sane calm protesters were breaking windows in MN and throwing things at lecturers in college campus, uh right.

Gracelynn on March 3, 2010 at 11:17 PM

So….

anti-smoking

anti-capitalism

pro-collectivism

pro-eugenics

anti-free market

pro-state control of industry…

yeah, he could fit right in at your local tea party.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:18 PM

“Potok cited talk-show host Glenn Beck for stoking fears that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running concentration camps

Total B.S. Total Lie.

Debunked months ago.

Knucklehead on March 3, 2010 at 11:18 PM

Yes, I know you realize the stupidity here – just a question more for the lefty trolls.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:17 PM

I know we shouldn’t be feeding the trolls, but it’s like picking a scab. You know you shouldn’t do it, but it’s so hard to resist.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

On the Hitler debate…

He was half each of the worst of BOTH sides.

Far-right-wing components: extreme nationalism, blaming problems on an unpopular religious group, massive military buildup and imperialist agenda.

Far-left-wing components: anti-gun ownership for private citizens, state control of media and education, rampant eugenicist policies.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

I like the NEW RULES…

d1carter on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

I’m so stoked now! When/WHERE is the next Tea Party? I’m not about to let a few talking-head liberal/progressives try to tell me who I am or what I expect from my government. They do not know me. They never will. Name-calling didn’t work for Janet Napolantono, didn’t work for Pelosi/Hoyner. The Tea Party is here to stay!

TN Mom on March 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Far-right-wing components: extreme nationalism, blaming problems on an unpopular religious group, massive military buildup and imperialist agenda.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

But how is this Far-right? Perhaps I’m missing the definition of Far Right, but I always thought that Far Right simply meant something different than nationalism and such.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:23 PM

“I hate these folks but I also understand them. And, well, uh, I also empathize with them. They share the same psychology as the paranoid patients I treat every day.

Who is this guy anyway? Don’t anyone tell me. I can figure it out without looking. Yes, it’s coming to me. I know! It’s Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s cell guard from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

MB4 on March 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Potok and the SPLC are full of crap. Beck actualy debunked the whole FEMA concentration camp conspiracy theory and if Palin was lying about the so called Death Panel in the Health Care bill then why was the language pertaining to it removed from the legislation after Palin’s comments about it?

Hellrider on March 3, 2010 at 11:25 PM

He stated his goal to destroy capitalism, was a vegetarian and ardent anti-smoking campaigner, and, oh yeah, socialist.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:12 PM

replace capitalism with bolshevism and it’s almost correct. hitler’s personal habits (i assume you’re referring to him) are quite irrelevant though.

So that’s now the definition of “Right”? Nationalism, promoting exceptionalism, and denouncing multiculturalism?

What would that make Mao? Wilson? Far-Right?

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

a basic tenet of communist ideology is internationalism (see comintern and the motto ‘workers of the world, unite’).

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Far-right-wing components: extreme nationalism, blaming problems on an unpopular religious group, massive military buildup and imperialist agenda.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

With all due respect, you have a warped view of the “right.”

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:26 PM

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Three reasons for your post:
1. Unabashed ignorance
2. Intentional deceit
3. laziness – too lazy to make a case and persuade.

In every case you are a loser.

ses, I assume you are good to your friends and your family and that you intend to live your life in some positive or beneficent fashion. Honestly…do you think that your ridicule or obsession with being factually incorrect moves the debate anywhere? Would you rather persuade some of us? Or did you sign up at open registration for the simplistic cathartic reason of ridicule? You aren’t doing your side any good and you aren’t peeling people off of the conservative side. It’s vapid. Totally worthless. If that is your intent, well then good job soldier!

You are a fool. It is really sad too because it seems like you have the ability to reason at times.

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

Oh, and last sack before I hit the sack.

First and foremost, Hitler and his ilk were/are psychopaths. You can assign anti-capitalist stances to the left and pro-nationalist stances to the right, but he was, at the end of the day, a psychopath.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

Yet all the violence comes from the left. Always had always will.

Last Tea Party I went to had ONE single cop for 400+ people. Went to the pro-immigration rally a few years ago with 1500 +/- and there was 30+ cops.

jukin on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

But how is this Far-right? Perhaps I’m missing the definition of Far Right, but I always thought that Far Right simply meant something different than nationalism and such.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:23 PM

That’s a fair question, and the (short) answer is that the goalposts have shifted somewhat. What the average lefty screeches at as ‘far-right’ really wasn’t far-right at all until rather recently. For example – only the outer fringes of movements like the Tea Parties could really be considered far-right, libtard lies to the contrary.

Some level of nationalism is common throughout most of a healthy nation; people can just have different reasons for being proud of their country. It’s when nationalism turns into exceptionalism that things start to turn ugly.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

But from this moment on, every time you call us Nazis — every time — you’re going to get another one of these gentle reminders about the origins and personalities of the National Socialist German Workers Party until you stop.”

The audacity of hope was for his campaign
Tyranny and demonization are for his reign
His candidacy was rather like that of a Henry Houdini
His presidency is shaping up to be much more like that of a Benito Mussolini

Although he tries to slip it all in under another guise
To all his fascist action most foul we must still be wise
In spite of all the Houdini lies
Dancing in Obama’s Mussolini eyes!

MB4 on March 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Boy, I wasn’t expecting this This, on top of everything from yesterday… Does this man ever stop working?

dnlchisholm on March 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

I’m so stoked now! When/WHERE is the next Tea Party?

TN Mom on March 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Tax day (April 15) is approaching, so I’m sure there will be plenty of local tea parties happening.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

With all due respect, you have a warped view of the “right.”

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:26 PM

I’m pointing out the components of the extreme right, dimwit. Although liberals assign those terms far too freely.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Couple of thoughts. In Texas, several Tea Party candidates won. Don Sumners ousted an incumbent for Tax assessor. Sumners slogan was, “I was Tea Party before Tea Party was cool.” Also, while Kevin Brady did vote for TARP he has actually spoken at Tea Party rallies (I’ve been to them) where he faced many boos and heckling, and even large anti-Brady signs right in front of him, yet he still faced the crowd and listened and got the message. People around here respect that. So Brady still felt the need to answer to tea party patriots. I agree with another commenter above who quoted Dan Riehl’s post. I’d like to quote it again.

If the GOP lacks the courage, or the ability to stop this pathetic power grab by the un-American, decadent Left – an ideology that has already failed over and over throughout much of the world – then it becomes not just a right, but a responsibility for the American people to take their country back from the political elites that have already bankrupted it. And after that, they now seek to do even more harm by capitalizing on a crisis.
They confessed as much via ex-ballerina Rahm Emanuel, hence, they deserve no respect, or just due, as they are self-admittedly, an unjust crew. It is time to stop this government in its tracks, take it back democratically in the fall, or it then becomes time to bring this government down.This neophyte, this joke we have in the White House has absolutely no idea of the force and the rage he is about to unleash on him and his entire political party. If there are not enough responsible adults left within his party to rein in this accidental, affirmative action jerk, this self-styled, extremely flawed little man, then his party is worthless to America. It deserves to be marginalized electorally and, ultimately, utterly destroyed, before being relegated to the dung heap of history with the rest of the marxist, socialist clowns Americans have dispatched before.
Reconciliation for this disaster of a destructive health care bill I doubt anyone on the Hill can fully define means all out war. The only question remaining is, whose side are you on?

Weight of Glory on March 3, 2010 at 11:31 PM

a basic tenet of communist ideology is internationalism (see comintern and the motto ‘workers of the world, unite’).

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Communism doesn’t define that which is not far right. You know there are many other political philosophies that aren’t right wing – socialism, fascism, Progressive-ism, and such. By the way, internationalism isn’t the same as multiculturalism. Wilson was all for League of Nations, but would you consider him a multiculturalist? Something about hyphenated names is coming to mind… You do agree that Wilson was on the left side of the political spectrum, right?

And then there’s Mao (yes, he’s a communist). Are you saying he never supported Chinese exceptionalism and/or nationalism? I’m not even sure you can call him a multiculturalist simply because of his attempts to standardize Mandarin for ALL of China.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:31 PM

They’re still going with the right-wing extremist, Nazi, racist narrative? When are they gonna realize this is a losing argument? Just go back to the early 2009 approach which was to simply ignore the Tea Party.

Doughboy on March 3, 2010 at 11:32 PM

I have never in my life felt so scared and frightened of what each day is going to bring.

I want to just scream ENOUGH to people like Potok and Ratigan.

margategop517 on March 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Just go back to the early 2009 approach which was to simply ignore the Tea Party.

Doughboy on March 3, 2010 at 11:32 PM

You know I think the MA election of Scott Brown really has these guys worried. They’ve been churning out these melodramatic lies about Tea Partiers at a prolific rate.

They ignored us and laughed at us for most of 2009. Now they’re fighting because they realize we’re serious about opposing their ideas and their policies.

INC on March 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

That’s a fair question, and the (short) answer is that the goalposts have shifted somewhat. What the average lefty screeches at as ‘far-right’ really wasn’t far-right at all until rather recently. For example – only the outer fringes of movements like the Tea Parties could really be considered far-right, libtard lies to the contrary.

Yeah

Some level of nationalism is common throughout most of a healthy nation; people can just have different reasons for being proud of their country. It’s when nationalism turns into exceptionalism that things start to turn ugly.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

I wouldn’t say that nationalism and exceptionalism are NOT Right-wing. I would just point out that they are often found on the left as well. So to say that nationalism is Far Right, seems wrong.

That said, I’d love to hear what the definition of Far Right or Far Left is… I would just call them Right and Left. Is communism really to the left of socialism? To me, the “solution” is just different.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Potok needs a date with a curling iron. Is that a hate crime?

abobo on March 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

You are a fool. It is really sad too because it seems like you have the ability to reason at times.

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

Really? When was that? I hadn’t noticed…..

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

MB4 on March 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM

He is our own Gletkin.

Ted Torgerson on March 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

“I hate these folks but I also understand them. And, well, uh, I also empathize with them. They share the same psychology as the paranoid patients I treat every day.

This is a very disturbed man. He is filled with so much hate that it will consume him. He should try to relax more and maybe have a cigar. Otherwise, I will have to break out the old electrodes again.

Sigmund on March 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

my point is that nazism has no parallel in American politics today. only people ignorant of history emphasize the ‘socialist’ and ‘workers’ in the nazi party’s name as if their inclusion meant that they were akin to communists.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Far-right-wing components: extreme nationalism, blaming problems on an unpopular religious group, massive military buildup and imperialist agenda.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Far-left North Korea and China and Soviet Russia – Nationalist, racially bigoted, denigrate religion, massive military build-up.

Those aren’t “far right” characteristics, they’re just characteristics of jerks.

You’re trying to be even-handed, the problem is that history is NOT even-handed.

Merovign on March 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM

my point is that nazism has no parallel in American politics today. only people ignorant of history emphasize the ’socialist’ and ‘workers’ in the nazi party’s name as if their inclusion meant that they were akin to communists.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM

So let’s see, they looked to the government to solve the problem, not of the lowest class, but of the middle class… but they aren’t like communists?

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Oh, wait! Better read the post first…

Seven Percent Solution on March 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Oh, wait! Better read the post first…

Seven Percent Solution on March 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Hey, there you are… I have a pic of Grows for you…

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kygcv4VXYs1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg

And yes, I am going to use it in the future.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Merovign on March 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Good luck with that. DS thinks anyone who doesn’t agree with his definition of the “far right” is a dimwit.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

You are using European definitions of right and left, which are not paralleled in the US. There is no real European conservative that corresponds to the American right, since our political right is individualism and further limitations on government, as spelled out by the Constitution. Europe just doesn’t have any real analogue of the American right, of any size. Their governmental systems have just never been built for such politics.

And strong defense has nothing to do with imperialism or anything of the sort. We don’t seek to dominate anyone or take their land. That is obvious from the trail of countries that America has been involved with and how America helped them, most beutifully illustrated int eh stark differences between North and South Korea. We seek to do business with everyone.Everyone benefits from that, who is reasonable and can act civilized.

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:40 PM

did you sign up at open registration for the simplistic cathartic reason of ridicule?

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

did you sign up for the simplistic cathartic reason of finding affirmation in people who share the same views?

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:43 PM

“In origin, the National Socialists had been a radical anti-capitalist party, and this side of the the Nazi Programme was not only taken seriously by many loyal party members but was of increasing importance in a period of economic depression….[Hitler, after being accused by Otto Strasser of trying to strangle the social revolution by collaborating with the bourgeois parties of the right] Hitler, who was rattled by this suggestion, retorted angrily: “I am a socialist…I was once an ordinary working-man. I would not allow my chauffeur to eat any worse than I eat myself…[When asked by Strasser if he would nationalize Krupps, Hitler replied] Only if people should fail to act in the interest of the nation, then – and only then – would the State intervene… and for that you need only a strong State.”

–Hitler
A Study in Tyrranny
Alan Bullock
pgs 158-159

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Really? When was that? I hadn’t noticed…..

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

heh, I’m being charitable…I’m sick and tired of talking past people, and it does go both ways. For the love of…If we don’t start making some inroads in persuading people that we have the facts, that we are for the individual and the little guy, that we are the ones that stand for liberty and against tyranny, then all is lost folks. This argument can go ‘hot’, but until it does, we need to persuade the Borg hive-mind people. The leadership of the democrat party is intent on subjugating the sovereignty of the USA to a global govt complete with gobal taxes and global regulation. It will not be pretty.

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:43 PM

did you sign up for the simplistic cathartic reason of finding affirmation in people who share the same views?

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Thanks for answering my question fk nut! You are a worthless tool…pathetic.

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:44 PM

my point is that nazism has no parallel in American politics today. only people ignorant of history emphasize the ’socialist’ and ‘workers’ in the nazi party’s name as if their inclusion meant that they were akin to communists.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM

They were socialists/fascists. They wanted their society organized from the government out. They were leftists. But they fought against other leftists (the Communists) the same way that the USSR and Red China didn’t like each other, or the way the Syrian Baath hated the Iraqi Baath.

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:45 PM

National Socialism sought to define the individual as member of the racial tribe. Communism sought to impose identity based on class. They have some overlapping ideology, particularly their rejection of indivuduality and freedom of the individual. But the Communist views nationalism as a threat to class conciousness and a tool of the capitalist to control the masses. The National Socialist hates class consciousness because it divides those who should be united in blood: “ein Volk, ein Riech, ein Fuhrer.” The psuedo-religious rituals, the mass rallies and marches were all designed to subsume the individual into the race. Either side would be repulsed by saying they were closely related to one another.

Ted Torgerson on March 3, 2010 at 11:45 PM

It’s when nationalism turns into exceptionalism that things start to turn ugly.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

like this and this? surely not what you had in mind.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:45 PM

But they fought against other leftists (the Communists) the same way that the USSR and Red China didn’t like each other, or the way the Syrian Baath hated the Iraqi Baath.

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:45 PM

But I thought Communists were multicultural or something…

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM

we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

LOL.

Welcome to the “far-right” Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il Sung…

Lehosh on March 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM

This is a very disturbed man. He is filled with so much hate that it will consume him.

Sigmund on March 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

And he doesn’t seem to know the correct use of the word “empathy”, either, which I find very strange for a “professional”. I have a strong feeling that Bader truly despises himself. I can certainly understand why, though.

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:48 PM

If we don’t start making some inroads in persuading people that we have the facts, that we are for the individual and the little guy, that we are the ones that stand for liberty and against tyranny, then all is lost folks.

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Or as I like to put it, conservatives are advocates for minority rights, right down to the smallest minority – the individual.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:48 PM

only people ignorant of history emphasize the ’socialist’ and ‘workers’ in the nazi party’s name as if their inclusion meant that they were akin to communists.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM

It is clear to anyone of a perceptive persuasion that National Socialist Workers Party and the Communist Party are basically the same totalitarian show, just under a different tent.

MB4 on March 3, 2010 at 11:50 PM

Thanks for answering my question fk nut! You are a worthless tool…pathetic.

daesleeper on March 3, 2010 at 11:44 PM

i guess you’re compensating after your comrades admonished you for being too nice to me. go ahead, redeem yourself. tell me how you feel about me.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:54 PM

That said, I’d love to hear what the definition of Far Right or Far Left is… I would just call them Right and Left. Is communism really to the left of socialism? To me, the “solution” is just different.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

The ‘far’ designation was supposed to be used to refer to people on the fringes of either ideology, although now it’s thrown about by both sides like children throwing rocks at one another.

An example of far-leftism, for example, would be using the federal government to enforce ‘equality’ in everything instead of in very core areas and leaving the rest to the states. Far-rightism would attempt to enforce moral values through government which have little basis outside a particular belief system.

Now, those are VERY simplified definitions, but it’s very late where I am and bed is calling.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

i guess you’re compensating after your comrades admonished you for being too nice to me. go ahead, redeem yourself. tell me how you feel about me.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:54 PM

Well, you yet again are dodging the questions. You know, you could admit that you were flat out wrong…

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

Now, those are VERY simplified definitions, but it’s very late where I am and bed is calling.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

I disagree with the use of “far” to simply talk about things that are viewed as extensive or what have you, but thanks anyway. Goodnight.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:58 PM

we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

They were clearly not conservatives and no amount of wishing on your part will ever make it so.

MB4 on March 3, 2010 at 11:59 PM

like this and this? surely not what you had in mind.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Hardly. It appears the definition of ‘exceptionalism’ has changed as well…

I was referring to the ‘master nation’ mentality, where patriotism crosses the line from loving one’s nation into “my country, right or wrong!”

Dark-Star on March 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Wow. You’re desperately in need of a history lesson, son.

What grade are you in anyway?

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

No kidding — I thought the same thing. Of course the left as a whole is painfully ignorant of history and our trolls are no exception.

NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 12:04 AM

Or as I like to put it, conservatives are advocates for minority rights, right down to the smallest minority – the individual.

UltimateBob on March 3, 2010 at 11:48 PM

For fascism the state is absolute, individuals and groups relative.
- Barackito Obamalini

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 12:04 AM

Well, you yet again are dodging the questions. You know, you could admit that you were flat out wrong…

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

i’m sorry, you had a question to me?

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM

i’m sorry, you had a question to me?

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM

No, I and others had several questions for you. Look above.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:06 AM

I’m so stoked now! When/WHERE is the next Tea Party?

TN Mom on March 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

How about the Tea Party Express?

Mirimichi on March 4, 2010 at 12:06 AM

tell me how you feel about me.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:54 PM

Pity. But more pity for those around you.

Hog Wild on March 4, 2010 at 12:12 AM

I was referring to the ‘master nation’ mentality, where patriotism crosses the line from loving one’s nation into “my country, right or wrong!”

Dark-Star on March 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM

but isn’t this the basis for much of the conservatives’ criticism of obama’s foreign policy? see romney’s new book.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:12 AM

They were socialists/fascists. They wanted their society organized from the government out. They were leftists. But they fought against other leftists (the Communists) the same way that the USSR and Red China didn’t like each other, or the way the Syrian Baath hated the Iraqi Baath.

neurosculptor on March 3, 2010 at 11:45 PM

They fought the Marxists because they were rivals for the same base of support – and when I say fought – I mean fought in open street warfare post WWI. Hence all the armed party gangs.

Much of the German Marxist leadership at the time was Jewish and that fed into the antisemitism that developed. According to interviews I’ve seen with contemporaries, Jew became synonymous with Bolshevik. You can see these interviews along with a comprehensive review of the entire period in a BBC documentary called, “Nazis, a warning from history” iirc (it’s available from Netflix last I checked).

It became even more inflamed by the fact that during WWI there were Bolshevik revolutions happening within Germany during the war, some of which required troops to be recalled from the front to squelch. That fed into the whole, “we were stabbed in the back” attitude of returning troops who felt like they were never defeated on the battlefield but instead were betrayed at home. That of coarse fed into the antisemitism that followed.

If Hitler has one overriding guiding principle it was Darwinism. He became a radical believe in survival of the fittest even when it came to his governing style.

I hate to even talk about this stuff because it’s easy for people to get a hold of the wrong end of the stick. There’s no lack of source material for anybody who wishes to educate themselves about this period any understand what happened and why.

TheBigOldDog on March 4, 2010 at 12:13 AM

It appears the definition of ‘exceptionalism’ has changed as well…

Pretty sure Reagen used the definition of ‘exceptionalism’ as presented in those links, and that Obama when asked by a reporter about American Exceptionalism gave some dodgy PC answer along the line of “all nations think they’re exceptional”.

Sharr on March 4, 2010 at 12:13 AM

but isn’t this the basis for much of the conservatives’ criticism of obama’s foreign policy? see romney’s new book.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:12 AM

1) At least at Hot Air, the jury is still out on whether or not Romney is a conservative. So I don’t see how referencing a Romney book would somehow make your point.

2) As pointed out multiple times, nationalism or exceptionalism or whatever you are now calling it, isn’t exclusively Right-win or Left-wing.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM

An interesting study reported by Big Government.

“A lot of surveys have focused on the Tea Party movement, but they’ve been about what others think of them, and don’t reveal the motives of actual Tea Partiers,” said Sam Adams Alliance chairman Eric O’Keefe. “We decided to learn what the Tea Party leaders are up to the old fashioned way: We asked them.”

INC on March 4, 2010 at 12:16 AM

“‘We’ve seen more threats and actual attacks in the past 18 months than we’ve seen at any given period over the past 15 years,’ claimed Potok.


…..would like to see ….I don’t know…some actual facts to back up this accusation.

“Potok said he blames some public personalities and conservative politicians for inciting fear.


…so now words matter.Funny how liberals argue the exact opposite when the death and violence of Hollywood movies and Rap music are discussed.

“Potok cited talk-show host Glenn Beck for stoking fears that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running concentration camps,


…as stated earlier,Beck actually debunked this myth genius.Getting your talking points from Huffpo makes you look pretty stupid.

former CNN host Lou Dobbs for incurring fears about supposed Mexican plots to take over the southwestern U.S.,

These are not supposed “plots”.There are actually monuments in Los Angeles that show the lower south west back under Mexican control.
La Raza among many other latino extremist groups promotes this and it is evident in their “amnesty” rallies.
Try Zombietime.com or Michelle Malkin’s site for irrefutable evidence of this.
Dobbs was actually reporting the facts…something Potok seems to be incapable of.

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., for making statements about secret political reeducation camps,

Potok decides to call them “reeducation camps” for effect.
Bachmann calls this for what it is…..indoctrination:

Check out this video of Obamessiah worshiping children:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129137.html

More Indoctrinated “Obama Youth”

The pseudo-militant look of step-dancing in this video, combined with the old-style military woodland BDUs, is going to frighten those unfamiliar with stepping, though it shouldn’t. In and of itself, it is an awesome form of dance to watch.
The stepping, combined with the cultish fanaticism focusing on Obama, however, is going to freak some people out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXd8iH3OVQ&feature=related


….Potok has to ignore a whole lot of reality to deny the fact that it is not the liberals that are the fanatics pushing their cultish ideology.

and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for referring to Obama ‘death panels’ during the health care debate. Bachmann and Beck are also cited by name in the SPLC’s report, but Dobbs and Palin are not.


…as stated earlier….the democrats had to take several provisions out of the bill that did in fact have panels making life or death decisions.
…unfortunately they just changed the language and there are still “boards” that will “evaluate medical costs” before allowing procedures to be done.
….kind of like Obama talking about his grandmother being to old to need a hip replacement….just was not cost efficient.

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Sharr on March 4, 2010 at 12:13 AM

Dark Star is redefining the idea of exceptionalism in order to trash it and give it a negative connotation. He mentions what you may be referring to about Obama’s PC ideas.

VDH expands on the NRO link above:

More on American Exceptionalism — By: Victor Davis Hanson

1) American exceptionalism — Perhaps it derives in part from our putting a higher premium on freedom and liberty than, as in the French and other European cases, egalitarianism and fraternity; also, we were truly the first multi-ethnic state that sought to embrace a common culture rather than carve out cultural or racial fiefdoms. By 1820 there were already all sorts of sizable blocs of European ethnics, and so America no longer thought of itself as of merely English descent. I might quote as a dissent from this theory Obama’s moral equivalence on exceptionalism — remember he said that we are exceptional only in the sense that everyone else, from the Greeks to the Brits, thinks they are exceptional, too.

INC on March 4, 2010 at 12:22 AM

replace capitalism with bolshevism and it’s almost correct. hitler’s personal habits (i assume you’re referring to him) are quite irrelevant though.

Hitler’s problem with Soviet bolshevism was that it was “too Jewish.” He didn’t think Stalin was exterminating them fast enough. Philosophically, the two were not terribly very far apart on many issues. Among left-wing regimes, the Nazis may have been further to the right than some others, but viewing it through a broader lens, they were still pretty far left on the ideological spectrum.

Communists may be anti-nationalist on paper but they certainly do employ its components to their advantage to keep the sheeple in line. I don’t think nationalism in its purest sense is either the province of the left or the right, but what I do know is that it would not find itself at home within a movement like the Tea Party, which is a loose coalition of folks committed to the rights of individuals, which to my mind is directly counter to the idea of nationalism. I think perhaps the definition has become muted over time, and that nationalism — or perhaps more accurately, exceptionalism — has taken on a less jingoistic connotation. I think when we hear people like Reagan or Palin talk about American exceptionalism, they mean something a lot more benign.

NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 12:24 AM

“‘These people help to bring completely groundless conspiracy theories from the margins into the mainstream,’ said Potok.”


You mean like “Bush lied”…


….Bush did 9/11….


…..Bush blew up the levees….


…..Bush went to war in Afghanistan for a pipeline….


……Bush went to war in Iraq for their oil…..

……..Bush stole the 2000 election….


……….Bush stole the 2004 election……


………Bush is turning America into a military state….

Yea I know ….those TEA partier’s are crazy…..
……Oh wait a minute….
………..that was the infinite wisdom and speaking truth to power coming from liberals from the last 8 years….

……where was Potok then?????????

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2010 at 12:26 AM

I’m pointing out the components of the extreme right, dimwit. Although liberals assign those terms far too freely.

Dark-Star on March 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

My understanding was that the far-right is anarchy, and the far-left is total communism.

uknowmorethanme on March 4, 2010 at 12:27 AM

Watch this about the show about SPLC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TKIcB4Qt3M

Then see if anything jumps out , some familiar words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8MaUSu4isk

Remember this guy ? He was Obama’s nominee for TSA chief ………
See how that works ?

macncheez on March 4, 2010 at 12:29 AM

…..would like to see ….I don’t know…some actual facts to back up this accusation.

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2010 at 12:20 AM

It’s settled science.
- Al Gore

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 12:31 AM

I for one am enjoying watching these sniveling little turds squirm. It’s going to be a joy to contemplate their outrage and fear as we dismantle their wretched Marxist Congress, their incompetent wretched Marxist President, and their entire wretched party.

elduende on March 4, 2010 at 12:32 AM

No, I and others had several questions for you. Look above.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:06 AM

this one against all is quite overwhelming but i’ll try answer this:

By the way, internationalism isn’t the same as multiculturalism. Wilson was all for League of Nations, but would you consider him a multiculturalist? Something about hyphenated names is coming to mind… You do agree that Wilson was on the left side of the political spectrum, right?

And then there’s Mao (yes, he’s a communist). Are you saying he never supported Chinese exceptionalism and/or nationalism? I’m not even sure you can call him a multiculturalist simply because of his attempts to standardize Mandarin for ALL of China.

internationalism is by definition a multiculturalist, inclusive world view. also, the quintessential communist state, the soviet union, was decidedly multicultural.

mao’s nationalist impulse was rooted in his personality, not in communist ideology. for many other communist totalitarian rulers, nationalism is a means to legitimize their rule.

now, if you don’t mind, i’m going to bed.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:33 AM

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