Quotes of the day

posted at 10:50 pm on March 3, 2010 by Allahpundit

“‘We’ve seen more threats and actual attacks in the past 18 months than we’ve seen at any given period over the past 15 years,’ claimed Potok.

“Potok said he blames some public personalities and conservative politicians for inciting fear.

“Potok cited talk-show host Glenn Beck for stoking fears that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running concentration camps, former CNN host Lou Dobbs for incurring fears about supposed Mexican plots to take over the southwestern U.S., Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., for making statements about secret political reeducation camps, and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for referring to Obama ‘death panels’ during the health care debate. Bachmann and Beck are also cited by name in the SPLC’s report, but Dobbs and Palin are not.

“‘These people help to bring completely groundless conspiracy theories from the margins into the mainstream,’ said Potok.”

***
“I hate these folks but I also understand them. And, well, uh, I also empathize with them. They share the same psychology as the paranoid patients I treat every day. The only difference is that the paranoid beliefs of the Tea Party movement are political while those in my consulting room are of a more personal nature. The causes and dynamics, however, are the same. And so just as I have empathy for my patients, I have come to have empathy for the Tea Partiers, even as I despise their influence and work hard to defeat their ideology. It’s crucial that the Left does likewise because if we don’t understand the ways that decent, god-fearing, and victimized people can come to espouse such a dangerous ideology, we won’t be able to fight them effectively…

“The ‘problem’ is that Tea Party activists move from legitimate feelings and normal longings to paranoid political positions that are dangerous and cruel. But because these positions serve an important psychological function, because they resolve an emotional dilemma, they can’t be changed by rational argument. I have never been able to help a paranoid patient even a little bit by arguing with his or her view of reality. Not one bit. The only way I have been able to make any headway is using our relationship to provide real experiences that have a shot at providing an alternative and more satisfying ‘solution’ to their underlying fears. Only then can I begin to offer a counter-narrative, one that acknowledges their pain and innocence, but enables them to more accurately identify its sources and, therefore, its antidote.”

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“Even as Perry successfully tapped into the raw anger toward Washington, other Tea Party-inspired candidates found little success.

“Debra Medina, the third GOP gubernatorial contender and the most authentic outsider in the contest, garnered only about 19 percent of the vote…

“While 86-year-old Rep. Ralph Hall had the closest contest, he still bested his nearest challenger, a self-proclaimed ‘Tea Party Republican,’ by a two-to-one margin.

“Of those Republican incumbents who supported the TARP legislation in 2008 – Reps. Kevin Brady, Mike Conaway, Kay Granger, Lamar Smith, and Pete Sessions – Granger got the lowest vote percent. And she took 70 percent against two opponents.”

***
“Memo to the Left: New Rules. We will no longer sit by and tolerate your taunts of ‘racist’ and ‘Nazi.’ If you want to have a substantive, respectful discussion about the best direction for our country, fine. But from this moment on, every time you call us Nazis — every time — you’re going to get another one of these gentle reminders about the origins and personalities of the National Socialist German Workers Party until you stop.”

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Maybe the SPLC’s next call would be to round us all up like cattle.

Scratch a Leftist, and find a Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot demon inside.

newton on March 4, 2010 at 12:34 AM

we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

keep f-ing that chicken, bud.

Nazis: National Socialists.

Open your mind, my friend. It’s statists vs. individualists. And your friends, the Nazis, were statists.

John the Libertarian on March 4, 2010 at 12:35 AM

1) At least at Hot Air, the jury is still out on whether or not Romney is a conservative. So I don’t see how referencing a Romney book would somehow make your point.

it illustrates my point extremely well.

2) As pointed out multiple times, nationalism or exceptionalism or whatever you are now calling it, isn’t exclusively Right-win or Left-wing.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM

yet it’s a key feature of the conservative credo.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:37 AM

I bet King George thought those rubes in the Colonies were mentally ill/unstable as well to get so upset over a few taxes.

“All of this has happened before…”

Sharr on March 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Ummm… bollocks. Americans just want government for free. They wanted protection from the French but balked at paying for it. The American’s legitimate gripe was that they had no representation in Parliament where the levies were voted on.

Now… they have representation. That gripe holds no water. They want to continue getting a dollar of government service and pay 75 cents. America has been mired in fiscal BS since Reagan and the brick wall approaches. Time to pay up or discontinue certain government services and the tea party constituents were clear about wanting to continue with Medicare, our expensive defense budget, and other items. Taxes suck… sure, but at some point you have to not only pay as you go but also pay for all the BS which led to the debt in the first place. Americans can only take ‘exceptionalism’ (more BS about defying gravity) so far but at some point the creditors will yank the chain. There are some brave politicians who have been elected making the sound noises about social security and a range of other entitlements and they are not tea party candidates.

I would have some respect for the Tea Party movement if they were specific about what spending goes to the wall but they dare not since doing so would fracture the movement. Cutting taxes per Bush & Reagan didn’t work and it is statist economies which have experienced the most growth since the early seventies. Obama’s tax cuts won’t work either. Yeah… taxes are even lower now.

At some point the math has to make sense.

lexhamfox on March 4, 2010 at 12:39 AM

Open your mind, my friend. It’s statists vs. individualists. And your friends, the Nazis, were statists.

This really is a better way of framing the argument. It’s more relevant to contemporary differences than calling the other side Nazis or socialists or imperialists or whatever. The world has changed a great deal since 100 years ago. Still if you could put Hitler and Stalin in a time machine and drop them down in 2010, I would bet they’d feel greater kinship with our modern day statists than they would with Beck, Palin and the Tea Party. They might even be Obama voters, who knows? I think that’s the point our side is trying to make.

NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 12:40 AM

internationalism is by definition a multiculturalist, inclusive world view. also, the quintessential communist state, the soviet union, was decidedly multicultural.

No it’s not. I gave you the example of Wilson who is arguable one of the earliest American internationalists that did not embrace multiculturalism. Is this a flaw of Wilson’s character? I think not. It was totally consistent for him to support global cooperation/regulation or what have you, while discouraging multiculturalism within the United States.

mao’s nationalist impulse was rooted in his personality, not in communist ideology. for many other communist totalitarian rulers, nationalism is a means to legitimize their rule.

I agree that Mao may not have been a communist in the flower-power sense of the word; however Mao was definitely not alone… As others have pointed out, many communists countries would support internationalism on paper while actually persecuting multiculturalism at home – again, not exactly a contradiction, just showing that these dictators weren’t multiculturalists. Here’s the thing, if it was truly a personality flaw, then it must persist in China (for example) because last I checked, they still aren’t encouraging multiculturalism. That said, even if we assume that communism (in theory) is pro-multiculturalism, then what does that make Mao? You claim that the Nazis were right-wing because they despised multiculturalism. Is Mao rightwing? That you still haven’t answered.

now, if you don’t mind, i’m going to bed.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:33 AM

Hey, I don’t mind. You are the one that chose to come on here and call Nazism rightwing. You are the one that chose not to answer questions. You are the one that chose to troll. I’m not just saying that because I disagree with you. If one goes through your comments, they can see you simply tried to stir up problems and avoided having an honest conversation – that’s trolling.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:42 AM

Open your mind, my friend. It’s statists vs. individualists. And your friends, the Nazis, were statists.

This really is a better way of framing the argument. It’s more relevant to contemporary differences than calling the other side Nazis or socialists or imperialists or whatever. The world has changed a great deal since 100 years ago. Still if you could put Hitler and Stalin in a time machine and drop them down in 2010, I would bet they’d feel greater kinship with our modern day statists than they would with Beck, Palin and the Tea Party. They might even be Obama voters, who knows? I think that’s the point our side is trying to make.

NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 12:40 AM

Exactly. Well done. That’s they key way of framing it.

TheBigOldDog on March 4, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Better believe it…and the RNC is supporting a few excellent candidates and taking payoffs from many others…thus spending their money to destroy any fund-raising from those that they choose not to support…the NRCC needs cleaning out completely…we can’t create a new party and survive liberalism-socialism in this short of time…but, trust me…these guys have to go…

DCJeff on March 4, 2010 at 12:45 AM

it illustrates my point extremely well.

No, it doesn’t. Only if you define Mitt Romney as a conservative might it attempt to demonstrate your point.

yet it’s a key feature of the conservative credo.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 12:37 AM

You haven’t clearly defined what you mean by “exceptionalism,” so there’s really not much to say. Reagan’s exceptionalism is something we should all at least consider. Hitler’s exceptionalism not so much…

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Wow, SPLC huh?

You know this is about $$$$$$$$, right?

I mean, the skinhead, KKK, Neo-Nazi angle didn’t quite pan out, and the traditional Catholics haven’t killed anyone, so I guess it’s time to go after CONSERVATIVES???????

Anything for a shekel, eh Potok and Dees?

Really, this insideous, evil organization needs to be shut down!

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:48 AM

You haven’t clearly defined what you mean by “exceptionalism,” so there’s really not much to say. Reagan’s exceptionalism is something we should all at least consider. Hitler’s exceptionalism not so much…

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:45 AM

We certainly raided his talent though, didn’t we?

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:49 AM

We certainly raided his talent though, didn’t we?

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:49 AM

They seemed to flock to us.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:51 AM

They seemed to flock to us.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:51 AM

I hate to disagree.

How many Nazis did we bring to America after WW2?

There would have been no space program or atom bomb without dipping into Hitler’s “exceptionalism”.

I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, it just is what it is.

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:58 AM

they can’t be changed by rational argument. I have never been able to help a paranoid patient even a little bit by arguing with his or her view of reality…

…no, no matter how much I might try to convince them that the only reason Marxism hasn’t worked in the past is because Obama wasn’t in charge, their irrationality won’t allow them to comprehend that things will be different this time.

FloatingRock on March 4, 2010 at 1:03 AM

I hate to disagree.

How many Nazis did we bring to America after WW2?

There would have been no space program or atom bomb without dipping into Hitler’s “exceptionalism”.

I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, it just is what it is.

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:58 AM

I wasn’t referring to Nazis fleeing to our country. I was referring to talented individuals that lived in or would have lived in Nazi occupied territory.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 1:05 AM

“Potok said he blames some public personalities and conservative politicians for inciting fear.


Nuts. Dem Grayson Now Compares GOP Health Care Plan to Holocaust & 9-11


The Florida democrat said yesterday that the Republican health care plan would cause patients to die quickly. Today he compared the GOP plan to the Holocaust and 9-11:


Grayson: Imprison my critic for five years!


Grayson’s office did not respond with comment other than to confirm the letter exists — including its request that Langley be fined and “imprisoned for five years.”


ObamaCare Protester Punched in the Face During Union Sponsored Town Hall in NC….


The assault took place at the end of an opening speech Congressman Price at North Carolina Central University in Durham. Eyewitnesses of the assault say claim the assailant was an African-American woman who openly supported Obama.

New video from St. Louis town hall beating

Kenneth Gladney, a 38-year-old conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room of the St. John’s Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was waiting to be treated for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face that he suffered in the attack. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack started.


Dem Congressman: Town Hall Protesters Are “Political Terrorist[s]


“If you just want to blow up a meeting that’s a political terrorist,” said Hill.

Video: Dingell says town-hall protests remind him of the Klan

MS-NBC’s Ed Schultz tosses a softball to Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), last seen being flummoxed by his own constituents last week. At the time, Dingell dismissed his critics as “infiltrators.” Today, they’re the equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan


Handicapped Woman Cries After Assault By Union Thugs at Town Hall (Video) … Update: Woman Speaks Out on Being Stomped On


A handicapped woman with a walker cries as she tells how union members pushed her out her seat at a town hall:


Smashing women in the face–

St. Louis tea party protester is smashed in the face by SEIU member.


Healthcare-reform opponent says bit-off finger could not be re-attached

A healthcare-reform opponent whose finger was partially bitten off Wednesday during a Thousand Oaks rally said today that doctors could not re-attach the severed section.

Lila Rose assaulted by Planned Parenthood escort

At approximately 11:50am on Thursday, December 17th, 2009, Live Action President Lila Rose was struck by a male uniformed Planned Parenthood escort. The attack occurred on a public sidewalk outside a Planned Parenthood affiliate located at 1691 The Alameda in San Jose, California.


Pro-life demonstrator murdered at Michigan high school; Update: Motive confirmed


“The indication is that he had ill will … a grudge against these three individuals,” said Shiawassee County Prosecutor Randy Colbry. “The defendant was offended by the manner of Mr. Pouillon’s message.”

With a democrat in the White House….


Reid: Protesters are ‘evil-mongers’

Town hall protesters are “evil-mongers,” says Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)

Hoyer, Pelosi call protests against ObamaCare “un-American”

Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have a new strategy to avoid accountability.  They simply have decided to call protests “un-American.” 


Shock: Puddle-Headed Liberal Joan Walsh of Salon Finds Criticism of Obama “Traitorous”


The climate right now is that Republicans use everything they can to undermine and delegitimize this president. And it‘s actually un-American. It‘s traitorous, in my opinion.


Video: Chris Matthews compares the GOP to the Khmer Rouge

Courtesy of Ken Shepard at NewsBusters, a tasty bite of MSNBC’s Chris Matthews likening the Republican Party to genocidal Communists who slaughtered millions:

WH: Some Critics ‘Serving the Goals of al Qaeda’

In an oped in USA Today, John Brennan — Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism — responds to critics of the Obama administration’s counterterrorism policies by saying “Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda.”


Democrat: Republicans hate ObamaCare because they’re racists. Also, Castro’s a genius.


Pro-ObamaCare + pro-Castro = one crazy delicious GOP attack ad. The boss has been tracking Diane Watson’s race-baiting for years, but there’s one nuance to this she doesn’t mention: Watson endorsed Clinton over Obama last year,


Senator: ObamaCare opponents all birthers and racists; Update: Whitehouse denies, video added


Oh, I also forgot — we’re militia members, too.  Mark Steyn points us to these remarks by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) in response to the stubborn opposition to Democrats’ attempts to have the federal government reorder a sixth of the American economy. 

Carter Claims There Is “Racist” Tone Against Obama

Responding to an audience question at a town hall at his presidential center in Atlanta, Carter said Tuesday that Wilson’s outburst was also rooted in fears of a black president.

“I think it’s based on racism,” Carter said. “There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president.”

Bush as Hitler, Swastika-Mania: A Retrospective
Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:24 am
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612

When the White House had a Republican in it..

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
Hillary Clinton.


‘06 Flashback: Pelosi Tells Anti-War Protesters ‘I’m a Fan of Disruptors’


January 17, 2006: “So I thank all of you who have spoken out for your courage, your point of view. All of it. Your advocacy is very American and very important.”

Potok has about as much credibility as Al Gore……
….get back to us liberal when you can actually back up your baseless propaganda.

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2010 at 1:07 AM

There would have been no space program or atom bomb without dipping into Hitler’s “exceptionalism”.

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Huh? Who do you think built the atom bomb? The people Hitler was getting rid of. Hitler called all of theoretical physics, “judenphysik” [however it was spelled]

We do owe Von Braun for the rockets, but you are way off on the nuclear technology.

neurosculptor on March 4, 2010 at 1:07 AM

It’s settled science.
- Al Gore

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 12:31 AM

Dam# MB4…you are right.

The “debate is over”….I must be slipping.

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2010 at 1:12 AM

lexhamfox on March 4, 2010 at 12:39 AM

What planet does this cat live on?

daesleeper on March 4, 2010 at 1:14 AM

There would have been no space program or atom bomb without dipping into Hitler’s “exceptionalism”.

I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, it just is what it is.

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Nonsense.

Goddard began the rocketry program in the 1920′s in America that the Germans piggybacked onto. Our military then leapfrogged using the expanded-by-German-scientists technologies that the U.S. researchers had ignored at our own peril during the 1930′s.

And, as far as the Manhattan Project goes, it was successful, while Hitler’s boys under Heisenberg failed, because those who fled the tyranny of the Fuhrer, like Fermi, Szilard, etc., helped grease the skids for the free world’s A-Bomb (along with homegrown guys like Feynman and Oppenheimer). They weren’t German, but Italian and Hungarian refugees from the Nazis and their fellow fascists.

Einstein was Swiss.

Hitler’s “exceptionalism” was to lobotomize Science (for unscientific biological theories) and hope for implausible pagan inspiration to help robotize his own people and slaughter anyone they deemed undesirables.

Diseased aims ultimately end up devouring their proponents.

No exceptions.

profitsbeard on March 4, 2010 at 1:19 AM

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:39 PM

It’s the shoes that really makes it memorable.

platypus on March 4, 2010 at 1:23 AM

It’s the shoes that really makes it memorable.

platypus on March 4, 2010 at 1:23 AM

You like them? It took Grows 1hr to pick them out of the $5-bin at Wal-Mart.

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 1:30 AM

Hey, there you are… I have a pic of Grows for you…

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kygcv4VXYs1qzzhzdo1_500.jpg

And yes, I am going to use it in the future.

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2010 at 11:39 PM

I love it…!

Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2010 at 1:35 AM

I love it…!

Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2010 at 1:35 AM

Are you referencing whom I think you are? Aka crappyfeet (that’s Lanceman’s name for him).

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 1:36 AM

I’m still shaking my head. What the f was up with the barber shop quartet of white coats during the One’s “speech”? Hasn’t he already done this super stupid gig a while back? Doesn’t anyone ever question his backdrops of complete and utter grade-school shenanigans ??? I’m thinking it’s just another “Oh well, Obama”—-just consistently and constantly give him the breaks, cause, you know, he’s a minority.

betsyz on March 4, 2010 at 1:37 AM

The world has changed a great deal since 100 years ago.
NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 12:40 AM

no it hasn’t. We as humans are still fighting the same fight that has been going on since man came out of caves. Which is better to have a strong leader or a free independent population. Be that leader a king, Queen, dictator, socialist, communist, marxist, facist it is the same type of leader. You have some good leaders and some bad. where these types of governments fail is when you get a bad leader. (see King Richard vs say Prince John)

the pros for an individual type of government and a free peoples is it doesn’t matter if you have a good/bad leader as much it is the collection of the people that makes the country go forward with individual decisions and a free market millions of transactions and decisions a day get factored in and you come out with a general movement forwards instead of with the strongman leader one step forward and two steps back as you trade one good strongman for one bad strongman.

there is always time when your population needs a strong leader war, famine, crisis etc but mostly day to day you want a weak leader and a strong free people.

this is why to me the founders were such geniuses. they made a federal governemnt that was suppose to not be able to work 80% of the time. that was able to function and get things accomplished when more than a supermajority deemed it a good thing.

9/11 showed that the government works when needed. Obamacare shows that the founders were correct and right to make it very hard for a slim majority, small minority to lord over the people

unseen on March 4, 2010 at 1:37 AM

Also, “white coats” seemed reluctant and embarrassed all the way around

betsyz on March 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM

profitsbeard on March 4, 2010 at 1:19 AM

Wernher von Braun

Oops. You forgot one.

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 1:51 AM

unseen on March 4, 2010 at 1:37 AM

I was thinking more in terms of specifics, but yes, you are correct: The broader principles still apply. They always have and always will. I think that’s sort of the point I was trying to make. We call these things by different names today, and they have evolved somewhat in practice but the same threats still exist, and it can always be boiled down to one eternal struggle between those who believe in individual freedom and those who do not.

NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 1:52 AM

Huh? Who do you think built the atom bomb?

neurosculptor on March 4, 2010 at 1:07 AM

Uhhhh, a German jew named Oppenheimer???

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 2:10 AM

Uhhhh, a German jew named Oppenheimer???

David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 2:10 AM

So? You’re talking about “Hitler’s exceptionalism”, which doesn’t include Oppenheimer. What are you talking about? Europeans? Jews? What? You were initially talking about Nazis, and now you include everyone. You lost me.

neurosculptor on March 4, 2010 at 2:14 AM

Also, “white coats” seemed reluctant and embarrassed all the way around

betsyz on March 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM

An Ass masquerading as a President found a Doctor’s white lab coat which had been left out in the sun to dry. He put it on and spoke to his countrymen. All bowed, both men and women, and he was a proud Ass that day. In his delight he lifted up his voice and brayed incoherently and then every one knew him for what he really was.

Cheshire Cat on March 4, 2010 at 2:16 AM

“the quintessential communist state, the soviet union, was decidedly multicultural.

sesquipedalian, some place up above”

Tell that to the Ukrainians, or the Estonians, or the Latvians, or the Lithuanians, or the Chechens, or the Armenians, or ….

Unless by “multicultural” you mean uni-cultural.

notropis on March 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM

Cheshire Cat on March 4, 2010 at 2:16 AM

Exactly. This is a prime example of how ridiculous and farcical this entire administration has become. How easy. Who’d have thunk?

betsyz on March 4, 2010 at 2:25 AM

Obama has all the intellect and depth of a 10″ plastic baby pool. There is no more….although a great deal of humanity still tries to prop him up, exonerate,ignore and/or excuse.

betsyz on March 4, 2010 at 2:33 AM

Don’t know much about providing medical care
Don’t know much about producing energy
Don’t know much about an economics book
Don’t know much about the constitutional law I took

But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be

La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(Providing medical care)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Producing energy)
La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(Economics book)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Constitutional law I took)

But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be
- The Boy Emperor

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM

Mmmm…fear.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people…”

Somebody said that.

russcote on March 4, 2010 at 2:40 AM

Diseased aims ultimately end up devouring their proponents.

No exceptions.

profitsbeard on March 4, 2010 at 1:19 AM

Or in other words evil will always destroy itself because that is what evil is.

unseen on March 4, 2010 at 2:41 AM

NoLeftTurn on March 4, 2010 at 1:52 AM

agreed and what scares me atm is that a large minority in the USA a larger % than at anytime in its history is rejecting individualism

unseen on March 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM

What is funny, is thzat this repulsive creature is posing as an expert on objective analysis of the human mind. This explains all those crazies running around out there rushing toward a totalitarian state and throwing away freedom. These metally challenged experts will be the first ones when freedom is lost to ask, “What happened” Clueless on the left!

Don L on March 4, 2010 at 5:44 AM

I am a Tea Party activist. I do not believe in FEMA camps, trilateralist conspiracies or that the Federal Reserve is a commie plot. I am not a racist. I drink floridated water and I don’t think my credit card number is the Mark of the Beast.

On the other hand, I don’t automatically believe that the government is and always will be benign. I look at the history of the Twentieth Century and conclude that government, unchecked, can quickly devolve into despotism. A hundred million people were killed by Communist and Socialist governments (including the Nazis). We’re not making this stuff up.

So I believe in limiting the power of government. I believe that people have certain inalienable rights. I believe these rights come from God and not from government. I believe taxes should be as low as possible. I believe that government should be as small as possible. I believe that large government is corrosive to the individual in a thousand insidious ways long before it starts marching people off to the camps.

I am a tea party activist, and I am not crazy. Believing in the rights of man is a lot more sane than believing in the goodness of government, given recent history.

Haiku Guy on March 4, 2010 at 6:09 AM

I am a Tea Party activist.

Haiku Guy on March 4, 2010 at 6:09 AM

Haiku Guy:As I commented once before,I’ll say it again,you
have captured exactly,the absolute truth,and
what a Tea Party Patriot is!!!

And,I would say,that most of Hot Air,believes
in what you said as well!————:)

canopfor on March 4, 2010 at 6:31 AM

O/T
================
Charlie Rose interview of Barack Obama,Tues.23 2004
———————————————————-

This is where the MSM,launched Barrack Obama!!!

And does he talk!!

Highly Racial Charged environment,er,nation!!

Gotta love that line!

canopfor on March 4, 2010 at 6:44 AM

There’s something very wrong about a movement that concentrates on reminding govt who their employer is. It’s a conspiracy, I tell you.

/sarc

Shiny_Tiara on March 4, 2010 at 7:25 AM

Six months ago I’d probably be offended by these rantings, but now I find them rather tasty.

Either these “experts” are terrified that they are being exposed for what they are, or it’s just another part of “the Plan” and the objects of their wrath are completely on to them – so it’s a last gasp attempt to Alinsky us.

Either way, I find this hilarious and delicious to watch.

tru2tx on March 4, 2010 at 7:35 AM

Please, tell me this isn’t f’n true… she has jumped the shark…

http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/03/sarah-palin-shopping-alaska-reality-show.html

ninjapirate on March 4, 2010 at 7:50 AM

I am a tea party activist, and I am not crazy. Believing in the rights of man is a lot more sane than believing in the goodness of government, given recent history.

Haiku Guy on March 4, 2010 at 6:09 AM

There’s no need for you, or me, to defend ourselves. These jackweeds are on the defensive, and they’re trying to discredit a movement that is opposed to theirs. Andrew has the right idea, when they throw that garbage out, throw it right back at them. SPLC and the like, are clearly full of crap, as they often are. Anyone who actually investigated anything knows Glenn debunked the FEMA camp thing. The American people are clearly leaning our way, just look at all the people rising up in Tea Parties, in elections, and MSM ratings. We have the high ground, folks!

bikermailman on March 4, 2010 at 7:58 AM

ninjapirate on March 4, 2010 at 7:50 AM

I have trouble buying this. The MSM’s record regarding Palin is less than stellar. See my point about being threatened above.

bikermailman on March 4, 2010 at 8:00 AM

Uhhhh, a German jew named Oppenheimer???

[David2.0 on March 4, 2010 at 2:10 AM]

Or, maybe an American, of German descent, who was born in NYC in 1904?

Dusty on March 4, 2010 at 8:10 AM

He hates us, yet empathizes with us? Dangerous ideology? Reduce central control and pay as you go? Headshrinker, heal thy self. lol

JimP on March 4, 2010 at 8:16 AM

Ah, Woodrow Wilson the great believer in Internationalism:

President Wilson warned the people against these agitators who were trying hard * to rock the boat. And later, on April 20, in an address to the Associated Press of New York, he took the occasion at a most critical time to remind the people of the United States once more that our whole duty for the present is to place “America First” and to think of her position in the world. So many people were thinking of Europe and the war that there was danger of America s safety following the thought of the people and falling into the hands of the belligerents. “I want to talk to you as to my fellow citizens of the United States, ” he said. “For there are serious things, which as fellow citizens we ought to consider. The times behind us, gentlemen, have been difficult, because whatever may be said about the present condition of the world’s affairs, it is clear that they are drawing rapidly to a climax, and at the climax the test will come, not only of the nations engaged in the present colossal struggle it will come for them, of course but the test will come to us particularly. ”

He then emphasized more forcibly than ever before the important position that this nation holds in the world today. The American people were living from moment to moment. They were enraged first at the conduct of England in seizing our vessels, and then at the acts of Germany in sinking our merchantmen. The President, however, was looking forward to a time when this nation, because of its neutral position, would be called upon to help bring order out of chaos, and thus lead the world back to paths of peace and honor.

“We shall some day have to assist in reconstructing the processes of peace,” he continued. “Our resources are untouched. We are more and more becoming, by the force of circumstances, the mediating nation of the world in respect of its finances. We must make up our minds what are the best things to do and what are the best ways to do them. We must put our money, our energy, our enthusiasm, our sympathy into these things, and we must have our judgments prepared and our spirits chastened against the coming of that day. So that I am not speaking in a selfish spirit when I say that our whole duty for the present, at any rate, is summed up in this motto, America first. Let us think of America before we think of Europe, in order that America may be fit to be Europe’s friend when the day of tested friendship comes. The test of friendship is not now sympathy with the one side or the other, but getting ready to help both sides when the struggle is over.

-Woodrow Wilson as President, ed. Eugene Clyde Brooks

Such a brave multi-culti guy, no? Can’t be bothered with the affairs of other countries, and we will tell them how to rebuild their sorry little Nations after their little spat as that is what FRIENDS DO: let them kill each other. And he was, most emphatically, putting America First in that speech. He would, later, pick up on the League of Nations concept that had been discarded by Teddy Roosevelt as completely unworkable, but that is Progressivism for you – taking unworkable ideas and showing just how unworkable they are by putting them into practice.

Mind you President Wilson would then become very flexible on his beliefs within a few years, but when push came to shove he would name the problem, finally, after years of sunk ships, imprisoned crews and otherwise finding out what being a ‘Neutral’ meant:

When I addressed the Congress on the twenty-sixth of February last I thought that it would suffice to assert our neutral rights with arms, our right to use the seas against unlawful interference, our right to keep our people safe against unlawful violence.

But armed neutrality, it now appears, is impracticable. Because submarines are in effect outlaws when used as the German submarines have been used against merchant shipping, it is impossible to defend ships against their attacks as the law of nations has assumed that merchantmen would defend themselves against privateers or cruisers, visible craft giving chase upon the open sea. It is common prudence in such circumstances, grim necessity indeed, to endeavour to destroy them before they have shown their own intention.

They must be dealt with upon sight, if dealt with at all. The German Government denies the right of neutrals to use arms at all within the areas of the sea which it has proscribed, even in the defence of rights which no modern publicist has ever before questioned their right to defend.

The intimation is conveyed that the armed guards which we have placed on our merchant ships will be treated as beyond the pale of law and subject to be dealt with as pirates would be. Armed neutrality is ineffectual enough at best; in such circumstances and in the face of such pretensions it is worse than ineffectual: it is likely only to produce what it was meant to prevent; it is practically certain to draw us into the war without either the rights or the effectiveness of belligerents.

There is one choice we cannot make, we are incapable of making: we will not choose the path of submission and suffer the most sacred rights of our Nation and our people to be ignored or violated. The wrongs against which we now array ourselves are no common wrongs; they cut to the very roots of human life.

- Excerpt from Woodrow Wilson’s Declaration of War

Notice first excerpted paragraph? He describes unlawful enemy combatants as those from a Nation not respecting the rights of other Nations. Now what do you do with those under the control of no Nation threatening Nations? That has got to be far worse than mere National hostilities as individuals take up arms to reclaim all their liberties against everyone: they no longer recognize National sovereignty. Woodrow Wilson was not the first nor last President to face unlawful combatants, but he, at least, had no sympathy for them.

He then goes to invoke Law of Nations which has at its basis the Nation State as the highest organizing level of society. He advocated for a free and independent Poland and for free and independent Nations in the Middle East to which he was given great assurances while other diplomats worked out how to carve the place up after the war. Thus Wilson can, at best, be seen as subscribing to Nation States as the protector of culture, not multi-culti concepts, in which all Nations are equal… although he likes some to be more equal than others as he demonstrated with ‘America First’.

Back to those illegal enemy combatants: deal with them onsight if at all. That, too, is allowable under the Hague Conventions of that era and via precedent with the orders Lincoln gave to the forces of the Union in 1863, especially note Article 82. So for those caught fighting as illegal enemy combatants the order is? Kill them. Pretty simple, upholds understandings going back to the first recorded conflicts of mankind and is about the only option you get when those who attack Nations illegally are found fighting the Nation. That goes with the Law of Nations view of things… the League of Nations would, thus, be a talkfest treaty organization of the sort that Theodore Roosevelt found useless after first advocating for such, because he got to experience a couple of them first-hand. Wilson then, as Lincoln did for all such forces wherever found, described such unlawful combatants as Pirates.

Woodrow Wilson was willing to go to war to fight for American human rights, but when presented with the Armenian Genocide in 1915 by his own Ambassador he did… nothing. What was that about adoring multi-culti Wilson? Great defender of human rights who didn’t want to do anything to the Ottoman’s because of US business interests there? He would go on to purposefully NOT fight an ally of Germany… one that supported Germany directly and indirectly during the war which was the Ottoman Empire. And the Austro-Hungarian Empire, too. He was unclear on the concept of ‘allies’ to one’s enemy. But it would help US business interests there, no end and not endanger them one bit.

I have deep problems with the supposed multi-culti, ever so PC views of Woodrow Wilson. First the man was a weather vane, on the one hand saying the Declaration of Independence only addressed problems of that time and did not state fundamental human rights… then going on to cite fundamental human rights it invoked a few years down the road. The generous hand of exceptionalism was to be a bludgeon to bash civilization into the heads of others with our sublime neutrality, which works in every instance, save those where it doesn’t because the last thing anyone wants while fighting a war is a damned kibbitzer.

He can’t be BOTH a great ‘internationalist’ and a staunch defender of Law of Nations…. oh, wait… he could. Stake not any arguments on what Woodrow Wilson actually believed as that evolved at a mind numbing pace in the period of exactly 3 years. Very Progressive of him to have no fixed set of public beliefs… private morals, yes. Do not confuse those with public policy.

Plus the man created the federal reserve, the same institution that got its lending and finance practices wrong in the 1920′s all the way through the Depression, and again in the 1990′s through to today causing untold problems and deepening a minor recession by creating systemic faults in the financial system. I can only blame Wilson for bringing this institution into existance, others were able to corrupt it in an incredibly short period of time. That’s Progressivism for you!

ajacksonian on March 4, 2010 at 8:25 AM

Hey what is it that brought the idiotic trolls in force?

I love to start my day with a hearty laugh.

antisocial on March 4, 2010 at 8:32 AM

It’s statists vs. individualists. And your friends, the Nazis, were statists.

John the Libertarian on March 4, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Exactly. The essential difference is individual liberty, the rights of the individual versus the power of the state. In a nutshell, Constitutional government.

petefrt on March 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM

lexhamfox on March 4, 2010 at 12:39 AM

What planet does this cat live on?

daesleeper on March 4, 2010 at 1:14 AM

Too much booze.

Sporty1946 on March 4, 2010 at 8:38 AM

I am a tea party activist, and I am not crazy. Believing in the rights of man is a lot more sane than believing in the goodness of government, given recent history.

Haiku Guy on March 4, 2010 at 6:09 AM

Just because I’m at
the Tea Party doesn’t mean
I’m a mad hatter

Disturb the Universe on March 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM

MeatHeadinCA on March 4, 2010 at 12:42 AM

you’re getting this all wrong. i made it clear throughout that my objection was to arguing that the name choice for the nazi party should be used to draw parallels between it and the modern American left. i cited certain aspects of nazi ideology that are, admittedly in a less extreme form, are also key to the world view of modern American conservatism, such as nationalism, exceptionalism, militarism and an opposition to communism and multiculturalism, to illustrate my point.

in my mind, nazism is a far-right ideology in the european sense, although American neo-nazis are also considered to be on the extreme fringe of the right, together with other white supremacist groups. if you don’t espouse these views you have nothing to be embarrassed about (except perhaps the failure of conservatives to denounce the john birch society’s participation in, and sponsorship of, cpac… but let’s leave that).

as far as mitt romney’s book, “no apology,” it’s full of red meat bs intended to boost romney’s conservative cred. it’s a great example of the “America, right or wrong” mindset that your fellow commenter described as dangerous.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM

SPLC, like the ACLU, while founded on noble ground, has morphed into the enemy it was founded to protect us against.

petefrt on March 4, 2010 at 8:46 AM

also, the quintessential communist state, the soviet union, was decidedly multicultural.

Your “knowledge” of Soviet history is ridiculous. They shipped ethnic Russians all over the USSR to run the satellites. They displaced dozens of now-forgotten ethnic groups to the interior, or to Siberia, and put — you guessed it — ethnic Russians in their place. Soviet racism was a real phenomenon, no matter now much that might roil your cherished conceptions.

DrSteve on March 4, 2010 at 8:58 AM

you’re getting this all wrong. i made it clear throughout that my objection was to arguing that the name choice for the nazi party should be used to draw parallels between it and the modern American left. i cited certain aspects of nazi ideology that are, admittedly in a less extreme form, are also key to the world view of modern American conservatism, such as nationalism, exceptionalism, militarism and an opposition to communism and multiculturalism, to illustrate my point.

in my mind, nazism is a far-right ideology in the european sense, although American neo-nazis are also considered to be on the extreme fringe of the right, together with other white supremacist groups. if you don’t espouse these views you have nothing to be embarrassed about (except perhaps the failure of conservatives to denounce the john birch society’s participation in, and sponsorship of, cpac… but let’s leave that).

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM

Like most Leftists, it’s a devastating and unacceptable blow to your self-esteem and “moral high ground” that the Nazi movement was a far-left political movement. That, however, doesn’t make it not true.

The Nazis hated the Communists because they were competing for the same supporters.

The Nazis wanted a massive, statist government. This is the very definition of the political Left: A massive, statist government. Am I saying that all Leftists are Nazis? Of course not. But a top-down authoritarian government opens the door to some very bad people. And many bad people seek power. The Founders and Framers knew this.

The farther Right you go on the political spectrum, the closer you get to anarchy. Indeed, someone on the radical fringe Right can only be one thing: an anti-government anarchist.

Were Hitler and the Nazis anti-government in any way, whatsoever? Of course not. Once they achieved power, did they scale back government dictates and power? The question is laughable.

Please take a few minutes to watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0

visions on March 4, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Your “knowledge” of Soviet history is ridiculous. They shipped ethnic Russians all over the USSR to run the satellites. They displaced dozens of now-forgotten ethnic groups to the interior, or to Siberia, and put — you guessed it — ethnic Russians in their place. Soviet racism was a real phenomenon, no matter now much that might roil your cherished conceptions.

DrSteve on March 4, 2010 at 8:58 AM

well, that might be true, but the whole idea, indeed lenin’s idea, was that nationalism would disappear under communism and a soviet people would emerge. stalin was elevated to the highest level of leadership without regard to his georgian ethnicity, for example. my argument was about the fundamental differences between nazi and communist ideologies, not their practical application.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM

The farther Right you go on the political spectrum, the closer you get to anarchy. Indeed, someone on the radical fringe Right can only be one thing: an anti-government anarchist.

visions on March 4, 2010 at 9:10 AM

anarchists are actually radical leftists, though different from marxists. anarchism and marxism are both working class movements espousing socialist political theories, in a sense that they pursue a a communal, voluntary, de-centralised society, and they both criticise capitalist economy, bourgeois society and the liberal democratic state. the key difference is that marxists organize themselves into hierarchies while anarchists do not. i hope this little primer is helpful; for more on left-wing politics, wikipedia is a good start.

anti-government radicals in the U.S. are indeed part of the extreme right, though they do not define it. the opposition to government, which you claim to be the key characteristic of conservative thought, is hardly compatible with other tenets such as strong national defense.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

“well, that might be true, but the whole idea, indeed lenin’s idea, was that nationalism would disappear under communism and a soviet people would emerge.”

[sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM]

Um, not that nationalism would disappear but that a new nationalism would take it’s place. It may appear that there are fundamental differences between Nazi and communist ideologies, but that’s only because you are comparing two different points on the timelines, which becomes more apparent if you compare Lenin’s attitude on nationalism to that of Bismarck’s and the latter’s efforts to nationalize a decidedly multicultural region he intended to unify.

So much for Bismarck’s making nationalism disappear in Germany.

Dusty on March 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM

What it comes down to is that the left is sh!tting themselves in fear of Conservatives and the Tea Party movement. If they weren’t, would we be hearing and reading even half the vile vomit they spew daily now?
They are not “counseling” us or “warning” America of the dangers of common folk assembling and expressing their frustrations with deaf legislators. They are lamely trying to demonize us with ridiculous invectives and using the Ob+ama-fellating media as willing and slobbering accessories to their character assassinations. Release your bladders and bowels, liberals, and writhe in the streets. I’ve got plenty of popcorn and I’m enjoying the show.

SKYFOX on March 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM

which becomes more apparent if you compare Lenin’s attitude on nationalism to that of Bismarck’s and the latter’s efforts to nationalize a decidedly multicultural region he intended to unify.

So much for Bismarck’s making nationalism disappear in Germany.

Dusty on March 4, 2010 at 9:46 AM

what bismarck has to do with this debate is not entirely clear to me. i hope you’re not suggesting he was a communist.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM

… and roasted pigeons would fly into the mouths of the proletariat.

I wonder — would you give an anarcho-capitalist the same benefit of the doubt in terms of their intentions as you’ve given that bloodthirsty bastard Ulyanov?

DrSteve on March 4, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Just more examples of the left shrieking on outrage against the right, calling them dangerous paranoid delusional fanatics.

Notable primary for their complete lack of irony.

another raving, paranoid lunatic. every time you repeat this idiocy about the nazi party, we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Case in point. As if totalitarianism has ever been a conservative position.

didymus on March 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM

I wonder — would you give an anarcho-capitalist the same benefit of the doubt in terms of their intentions as you’ve given that bloodthirsty bastard Ulyanov?

DrSteve on March 4, 2010 at 10:11 AM

nowhere in this conversation did i voice my personal sympathies. again, i focused on the major theoretical distinctions between communism and nazism to argue that you can’t conflate the two.

i don’t think that anarcho-capitalism, lefty anarchism or marxism-leninism are philosophies worth following. each have certain merits and each are spectacularly wrong in many ways, too.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

‘each has certain merits and each is spectacularly wrong in many ways, too.’ sorry ’bout the poor grammar.

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

ninjapirate on March 4, 2010 at 7:50 AM

Oh, please don’t tell me you’re still BMWing about Palin! Give it a rest, pal. If you can’t, there is medication that can help you.

Blake on March 4, 2010 at 10:53 AM

sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

My point was, there’s the “principle of charitable interpretation” and there’s outright gullibility.

It sort of reminds me of the scene in “Mars Attacks” where the Martians are chasing and shooting people while the translator machine keeps repeating “don’t run away! we come in peace!”

DrSteve on March 4, 2010 at 10:53 AM

There is no greater bunch of demagogues than the SPLC. They pad their numbers of hate groups so they can get idiots to send them more money.

Blake on March 4, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Oh, and you know liberals are desperate when they’ve resorted to accusing everyone who opposes them of racism, violent extremism, and insanity.

amerpundit on March 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM

No. That would just be a normal day for liberals.

stvnscott on March 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2010 at 1:07 AM

-Good point.

MB4 on March 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM

-Thanks for the laugh.

JiyuLife on March 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM

“‘These people help to bring completely groundless conspiracy theories from the margins into the mainstream,’ said Potok.”

It’s odd how we never heard this coming from the liberals when Howard Dean said that Bush may have known about 9/11 prior to the attack.

jeffn21 on March 4, 2010 at 11:08 AM

what bismarck has to do with this debate is not entirely clear to me. i hope you’re not suggesting he was a communist.

[sesquipedalian on March 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM]

As to the first, it seems to me you want to differentiate Nazism and Communism in an effort to maintain the argument that the former is a rightist while the latter is leftist. Your method is to appeal, in part, to each’s vision of the populace they intend to control, the Nazi’s being xenophobic and the communists being multiculturalist. Thus, your desire to press the point that “lenin’s idea, was that nationalism would disappear under communism and a soviet people would emerge”.

I fail to see how your point about Lenin’s vision to replace disparate nationalism within a geographical area he desired to rule with a new “Soviet” nationalism is somehow different than Hitler’s statist desires other than the minor ones of specific circumstances.

I brought up Bismarck to highlight the fact that the new nationalism he established in a multicultural region did little to assuage subsequent expanding interpretations of nationalism by Hitler to substantiate his claims for statist rule over a larger geographical area. It has nothing to do with suggesting Bismarck was a communist. But being a Saxon, it was decidedly old school multi-culti of him to bless the rule of Germany by an Austrian.

As an aside, I do find it odd, though that you earlier suggested Mao didn’t use nationalism to legitimize his rule, when it — being Chinese — was the defining condition for the breadth of statist rule Mao desired to legitimize; the 53 nations concept was, and is, just window dressing to placate the masses, who otherwise might have a foothold in stirring up the passions of independence.

Dusty on March 4, 2010 at 12:23 PM

we remind you that nazis were far-right conservative nationalists promoting german exceptionalism and denouncing multiculturalism.

sesquipedalian on March 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

You seem to be confusing the concept of exceptionalism with that of racial superiority. American Conservatives believe that our unique Constitutional Republic with its accompanying free-market principles have encouraged exceptionalism in the people who choose to make America their home. In short, we believe the opportunities in America bring out the best in her citizens. German Nazis, meanwhile, believed in their superiority to other people by virtue of an imaginary bloodline and the equally imaginary traits that accompanied it. Free markets and equal opportunity, they believed, allowed non-Germans and inferior races to gain an unfair advantage over the German people, and were therefore to be discouraged.

More to the point, this racism was hardly the main platform of the Nazi Party, though we’ve all been taught otherwise: the National Socialists sought first and foremost to control the economy, ostensibly to distribute fairly the wealth that had been denied the Germans after WW1. Planned economies can only be controlled by force, as it is man’s natural instinct to be free and accordingly engage in free trade. Therefore, a strong military becomes important to a socialist state not only for controlling the masses but also for giving young men no purpose outside of serving the state.

As for denouncing multiculturalism, you’re again confusing that with racism, which is what the Nazis practiced. Those who today oppose multiculturalism do so because the concept is devoid of morality: that is, if no culture can be better than another, then right and wrong are only matters of perspective, and any cruelty can be right while any justice can be wrong, and vice-versa. Cultural differences are fine, but moral relativism is the path to chaos.

Animator Girl on March 4, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Cutting taxes per Bush & Reagan didn’t work and it is statist economies which have experienced the most growth since the early seventies. Obama’s tax cuts won’t work either. Yeah… taxes are even lower now.

At some point the math has to make sense.

lexhamfox on March 4, 2010 at 12:39 AM

That’s funny. The IRS worker I spoke to yesterday told me that the percentage of taxes I am paying is really high. One of you is wrong. In my view it isn’t the IRS worker.

elclynn on March 4, 2010 at 8:28 PM

My understanding was that the far-right is anarchy, and the far-left is total communism.

uknowmorethanme on March 4, 2010 at 12:27 AM

Very close, but not quite.

The far-right would turn our nation into a bunch of miniature kingdoms on the city or county level, loosely tied together as ‘states’ and even more loosely tied as a ‘nation’. Standardization of any sort (food safety, individual rights, manufacturing) would be well-nigh hopeless.

The far-left would turn into some flavor of totalitarianism, but not necessarily communism. There’s plenty of ways to institute statism without resorting to the hammer-and-sickle mantra.

Dark-Star on March 7, 2010 at 12:40 PM

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