Quotes of the day
posted at 10:44 pm on March 1, 2010 by Allahpundit
“No one knows what history will make of the present — least of all journalists, who can at best write history’s sloppy first draft. But if I were to place an incautious bet on which political event will prove the most significant of February 2010, I wouldn’t choose the kabuki health care summit that generated all the ink and 24/7 cable chatter in Washington. I’d put my money instead on the murder-suicide of Andrew Joseph Stack III, the tax protester who flew a plane into an office building housing Internal Revenue Service employees in Austin, Tex., on Feb. 18. It was a flare with the dark afterlife of an omen.
“What made that kamikaze mission eventful was less the deranged act itself than the curious reaction of politicians on the right who gave it a pass — or, worse, flirted with condoning it. Stack was a lone madman, and it would be both glib and inaccurate to call him a card-carrying Tea Partier or a ‘Tea Party terrorist.’ But he did leave behind a manifesto whose frothing anti-government, anti-tax rage overlaps with some of those marching under the Tea Party banner. That rant inspired like-minded Americans to create instant Facebook shrines to his martyrdom. Soon enough, some cowed politicians, including the newly minted Tea Party hero Scott Brown, were publicly empathizing with Stack’s credo — rather than risk crossing the most unforgiving brigade in their base…
“It is not glib or inaccurate to invoke Oklahoma City in this context, because the acrid stench of 1995 is back in the air.”
***
“A seven-month-old baby girl survived three days alone with a bullet in her chest beside the bodies of her parents and toddler brother.
“Argentines Francisco Lotero, 56, and Miriam Coletti, 23, shot their children before killing themselves after making an apparent suicide pact over fears about global warming…
“Her parents said they feared the effects of global warming in a suicide note discovered by police.”
***
“After a year’s worth of unhinged lefties blaming conservative bloggers, pundits, and activists for every crime spree on the planet, it would be just desserts to blame Al Gore for the alleged global warming-inspired murders reported in the UK Daily Mail today. But count me out of that game…
“Al Gore is responsible for enough fraud and misery without overreaching and laying this strange case at his feet.
“Leave the hysterical smear-mongering to Frank Rich, Andrew Sullivan, Paul Krugman, and Keith Olbermann.”
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Algore has murdered. Everyone who has died because of resources denied because of the AGW hoax is blood on Algore’s hands.
wildcat84 on March 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Al Gore is directly responsible for this.
daesleeper on March 1, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Talk about an Inconvenient Truth.
Rocks on March 1, 2010 at 10:49 PM
Cults have consequences.
Spirit of 1776 on March 1, 2010 at 10:50 PM
So basically, the quote from MM kills any discussion of Quote no. 2, and we’ve already talked about how Frank Rich is a toolbox. Yeah, nothing to say.
darii on March 1, 2010 at 10:50 PM
I’ll just go ahead and go there: Al Gore’s gonna’ burn in hades.
Lourdes on March 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Algore’s next thing to profit off of now that AGW is dying:
SUPERNOVA! It’s comin y’all.
wildcat84 on March 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM
There is NO way he can walk away from this…!
Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Al Gore Joins New Weather Underground http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/al-gore-joins-new-weather-underground.html
Mervis Winter on March 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM
It has been like 12 hrs since I first saw this story, but I just noticed that the chick was 33 years younger than the dude.
di butler on March 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM
But even if you don’t hold Al Gore personally responsible Global Warmists can finally say with accuracy tat Global Warming is killing people.
Rocks on March 1, 2010 at 10:52 PM
Grover Norquist and Dick Armey are anti-American?
Ohh…O.K.
Lourdes on March 1, 2010 at 10:53 PM
What in the hell is Frank going to do when the NYT goes down?
d1carter on March 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM
Actually they probably hate Al Gore. The real hardcore enviros actually call him on his hypocrisy. Of course, they also think we should either kill ourselves or stop driving cars or something.
When I took a summer course at Berkley, this guy was preaching the Radical Environmental message, talking about killing yourself for the planet. He based on Gore a good bit.
darii on March 1, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Yikes.
darii on March 1, 2010 at 10:55 PM
But this pitiful — PITIFUL — foaming madness from the Left trying to equate “The Tea Party” with domestic terrorism is beyond disgusting.
Where Al Gore is concerned, I agree that he is one. But Gore is more like a “global terrorist”.
Lourdes on March 1, 2010 at 10:55 PM
There’s always HuffPo.
darii on March 1, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Care to cite sources? ‘Course not.
Dead Hand Control on March 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM
AGW suicide pact leaves three dead. Baby survives bullet wound.
DerKrieger on March 1, 2010 at 10:57 PM
Hilarious scene in HBO’s “How to Make it in America” last night.
20-something entrepenuer goes to his middle aged liberal dad for some advice. Finds him in the library starting to read “an inconvenient truth’.
Dad: I’ve been meaning to read this…we have really F-ed up the plant
Kid: Nah..it’s a scam.
Dad: (speechless)
When the AGW crowd loses the kids, the whole house of cards of about to come down.
DrW on March 1, 2010 at 10:58 PM
hmmmm, maybe its a reaction to the acrid stench the American people are getting from Washington 2010 which is reminiscent of the acrid stench in Moscow 1917, or Madrid 1936, or Havana 1959, or Chile 1970 or Venezuela 1999.
elduende on March 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM
We can thank South Park for that.
July 10 on March 1, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Head games.
Skandia Recluse on March 1, 2010 at 11:01 PM
This may be one of the few times I disagree with MM. These AGW disciples listed above were his water carriers. Al Gore was a one man wrecking crew with his propaganda. He won Best Documentary for “An Inconvenient Truth,” which was viewed in public schools across the country. (Is anyone telling the children the polar bears are going to be okay after all?) He won a Nobel for his “work.” Yet, he is still promoting the falsehood. Gore didn’t pull the trigger so to speak, but he pushed the global warming lie (and got rich in the process) and bears some responsibility.
conservative pilgrim on March 1, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Yet another reason to follow the “half plus seven” rule.
July 10 on March 1, 2010 at 11:02 PM
As ridiculous as it is, it is easier to make a connection between the murder and ALGORE and the goofball plane crasher and the tea parties.
conservnut on March 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM
Climate of Fear by Critchon…
Required reading…
Romeo13 on March 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM
Crap! I meant 43 yrs. Math fail.
di butler on March 1, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Heaven’s Gate anyone?
Ingenue on March 1, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Hey Rich…..
Blair’sSullivan’sKrugman’s,Olbermann’s, Matthews has a sublet some where with your name on it.Rovin on March 1, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Stack paraphrased Marx in his anti-capitalist rant/suicide note. Of course, that would make him a Tea Partier.
AshleyTKing on March 1, 2010 at 11:06 PM
Algore received a Nobel for his clarion call to drum up the AGW hysteria. He has traveled the world preaching his pseudo-religion, and sadly there were many takers. His quest for riches has led many to truly believe the sky is falling. Now the evidence that the whole thing is a fraud is mounting.
I’ve gotta disagree with The Boss Emeritus on this one.
hillbillyjim on March 1, 2010 at 11:07 PM
It would have been ok, once he reached the age of 80.
notropis on March 1, 2010 at 11:10 PM
This is not to say that someone so unhinged as to commit such a psychotic act of self-destruction wouldn’t have found some other reason, but the fact of the matter is that we will never know.
hillbillyjim on March 1, 2010 at 11:10 PM
I gotta wonder(and I bet they checked this), if this was not a murder suicide by the man who had financial trouble and just blamed global warming so people would think he was mentally ill and not um… I dunno…
ninjapirate on March 1, 2010 at 11:11 PM
If they were hard core enough to kill themselves over this, then they probably loathed Al Gore for not living some sort of hippie zero impact lifestyle.
darii on March 1, 2010 at 11:11 PM
43? Then he’d have to be 100 before the “half plus seven” would work…
notropis on March 1, 2010 at 11:11 PM
Frank Rich is one sick cookie.
Maggie45 on March 1, 2010 at 11:12 PM
He didn’t do it this time, but I love it when libs write something like “the acrid stench of Dallas 1963″… when JFK was killed by a communist…
ninjapirate on March 1, 2010 at 11:14 PM
The “acrid stench” is probably coming from Frank’s pits.
darii on March 1, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Rich’s attempt to tie the commie to the Tea Party is yet another pathetic fail of the lefties. Their attempt to shame people from participating in the movement will fail as badly as trying to call us racists for participating. The biggest reason their attempts are failing to take hold lies in the fact that they are insulting us and our intelligence with their arrogance.
Revenge is sweet and November is going to be very festive this year.
Sporty1946 on March 1, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Well MM can think what she likes. It’s a little like saying your uncle died at D-Day but it wasn’t Hitlers fault.
BL@KBIRD on March 1, 2010 at 11:15 PM
FIFY. :)
Emily M. on March 1, 2010 at 11:16 PM
As I was saying…we will never know.
hillbillyjim on March 1, 2010 at 11:16 PM
I’m just waiting for some bright spark to launch a class action civil suit against Gore for his fear mongering about climate change. The guy has milked a lot of money from his chicken little act and I think it only appropriate that some of his wealth is redistributed by court order as punishment for trying to perpetrate an environmental ponzi scheme on a global scale.
Hellrider on March 1, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Yeah, as long as there’s no hanky-panky till then!
It’s kinda of like Aisha. Sure, she married Muhammad when she was 7, but they didn’t consummate the marriage till she was 9, so it’s cool.
July 10 on March 1, 2010 at 11:20 PM
“Leave the hysterical smear-mongering to Frank Rich, Andrew Sullivan, Paul Krugman, and Keith Olbermann.”
After all, they are past masters of the art.
GarandFan on March 1, 2010 at 11:20 PM
I agree, and also a rare disagreement with MM. Gore got all the glory, he should get all the dirt too. Swords cut both ways. If some dead beat who tries to burn his own family in his own house and then flies a plane into a government building is a Tea Party activist.
Then tying a global warming pair of nut case parents to the deaths of 3 people and wounding of another to Al Gore is not too far a reach.
Hog Wild on March 1, 2010 at 11:20 PM
Tea Party folks have:
-Writen to their Congressmen/women
-Called their Congressmen/women
-Emailed their Congressmen/women
-visited their Congressmen/women’s offices
-attended Town Halls
-received permits to hold ralliers and rallied peaceably
-some Tea Party folks are running for office
-they have read books, read articles, listened to radio hosts
-a few have been noticed by the media and have been interviewed
-they have called for our Congress to listen and and to vote responsibly and if their decision is to vote yes on healthcare- to not be surprised if they are voted out of office in their next election.
All within the law.
Timothy McVeigh and his co conspirators did not stay within the law. There is no comparison. And I mourn the loss of a little girl who I never had a chance to know, who was loved by her parents, who were friends of mine from our Army days together, taken away from us by a hate filled man, a man who didn’t love his country anymore but wanted to punish it. Tea Party folks LOVE this country and want to bring it back to life. Legally, with honor.
Stupid article.
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 1, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Algore=Jim Jones. Except he’s selling (and getting rich off of) junk science instead of a junk religion.
wildcat84 on March 1, 2010 at 11:22 PM
On the subject of global warming and the great dumbing down of “science” via Al Gore, here’s an illustration of just how much things have changed. Look at these two weather reports from the BBC, the first one from 1979 and the second from 2005. Note how in the first one, the viewer is not treated as a simpleton and is presumed to understand concepts like weather fronts and the interaction of hot and cold air. Note how in the second one, the view is presumed to be an 8 year old child.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvX-jOlIFds&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuLCHZJ1y00&feature=related
Sharke on March 1, 2010 at 11:22 PM
AlBoar in Christmas cartoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABY1CoKqR4I&feature=related
yoda on March 1, 2010 at 11:26 PM
The Prophet of Doom has many disciples
Kini on March 1, 2010 at 11:29 PM
O/T
we heard so much about the #2 of taliban
but what about this guy ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kir337wVSsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-bPQkereA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH0lsiThu4w
macncheez on March 1, 2010 at 11:30 PM
I actually admire these folks for “walking the walk.”
They believed strongly enough that humans are bad for the planet, that they made the ultimate sacrifice. Too bad for the kids though… at least one of the innocents survived.
I wish more AGW cultists were so firm in their beliefs that they would cleanse the Earth of their own miserable presence. The world would truly be a better place.
UltimateBob on March 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM
I’m not buying the suicide because of global warming.
“honey, the average temp of the world has gone up a degree, lets kill ourselves”
something fishy
windansea on March 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM
I’m shocked the NYT doesn’t blame the earthquakes in Haiti & Chile on the Tea Party…or Bush.
TN Mom on March 1, 2010 at 11:41 PM
I would also add that AGW hysteric and first-class hypocrite Thomas Friedman to the bloody hands battalion.
WarEagle01 on March 1, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Huh? They just love lying over the New York Slimes, don’t they?
He was typical leftist scum, just like “I AM DR. AMY BISHOP!”
He was againt pretty much everything the Tea Parties are for. Stack might have been the first Coffee Party terrorist, though.
He was anti-capitalist, pushing for “health care reform”, and a commie. He could have been a member of The Precedent’s cabinet. Stack would not have been welcomed at any Tea Party, but he would have been very much at home at any democrat/leftist meeting these days.
neurosculptor on March 1, 2010 at 11:44 PM
FIFY X2
sorry, couldn’t resist.
Oh yea….Frank Rick is a huge tool
mctowler on March 1, 2010 at 11:51 PM
Okay, Things Come In Threes, Right? Third Suicide Post of the Day
===============
An Argentine couple, Francisco Lotero (56)and Miriam Coletti (23) fearful about the effects of Global Warming, entered into a suicide pact and shot their 2 chidren before turning the gun on themselves.
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http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=18415
Ya know,if this was a Tea Party Patriot,or anything,anyone
that is connected to zee right,you just got to know,that the
Left would be going batsh*t loony nuclear!!
So Al Gorical,is kinda up there with Heavens Gates Kooks,
excepet they ain`t waiting to hitch a ride on the tail of
a comet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 1, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Memo to NYT:
Dr. Antrax was an Obama supporter. Put that on your front page!
(via HA Headlines)
TN Mom on March 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM
You can read it for yourself.
http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2
All the tea party protests have been peaceful except for the SEIU union thugs that occasionally show up. Stack would not have belonged at the peaceful protests.
Mojave Mark on March 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Really, is it any crazier than implementing an economically disastrous energy policy in response to ManBearPig?
Well, what should we do if the average temp of the world has gone up a degree and might go up another one? I would say… nothing. But lots of fools out there think we’ve gotta do something about it. You do know that ManBearPig is going to destroy the whole world, right?
At least this couple walked the walk! They truly reduced their carbon footprint.
July 10 on March 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Didn’t Clinton blame Oklahoma City on Rush?
29Victor on March 1, 2010 at 11:58 PM
And the leftist nutcase who bit someone’s finger off and then walked away, scot-free … on video.
neurosculptor on March 2, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Speaking of Global Warning crap,I finally watched,free,
after by tech savvy number 2 son downloaded Avatar!!
And yes,it was a enviromental Wacko/Anti-US Military
type of waterboarding experience!!
Two memorable lines,
‘We will fight Terror with Terror’!
‘Some kind of Shock and Awe Campaign’
This fits in with Al Gore’s world utopian view!!!!
And Liberals wonder why,the world,so-called hates,or
dislikes America,and its by their very own hands!!
NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 2, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Didn’t Clinton blame Oklahoma City on Rush?
29Victor on March 1, 2010 at 11:58 PM
29Victor: Bingo!!:)
====================================
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030309/content/OK_City_TV_Show_Transcript.guest.html
canopfor on March 2, 2010 at 12:07 AM
March 2nd is the day of Mitt Romney’s Book Launching Media Blitz
dnlchisholm on March 2, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Kinda.
“We hear so many loud and angry voices in America today, whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other. They spread hate. They leave the impression, by their very words, that violence is acceptable.” -President Clinton, 1995.
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 12:11 AM
I don’t think Al Gore is responsible, but he should be asked what he thinks about it. He should also put out a PSA about not killing yourself and others for the planet.
zmdavid on March 2, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Did Clinton ever take responsibility for the WTC bombing in 1993 ?
macncheez on March 2, 2010 at 12:13 AM
There’s no real overreaching on this, as the global warming crowd has worked hard, specifically, to generate hysteria. They have said so much, themselves, with some of the lefties dropping out because that the movement had gotten too attached to screaming doomsday predictions without any basis (even for those who believed the general idea). In the UK, they recorded the fact that anxiety among their children had shot up like a rocket (however they measured that) due, very directly, to their fears of global warming and some coming catastrophe.
But, I don’t care what Gore is held responsible for, so long as he is eventually held responsible for something. A conspiracy to defraud people of billions (as evidenced, in part, by the CRU emails) and to cost the civilized world of trillions of dollars and growth in the process. It is a crime of truly historic proportions.
neurosculptor on March 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM
Sure I blame Al Gore. He’s the pied piper leading all the AGW lemmings off the cliff.
docdave on March 2, 2010 at 12:16 AM
But dying is the best thing you can do for the planet. Your very existence hurts Mother Gaia!
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 12:17 AM
Wouldn’t it be ironic if even Hades wasn’t as hot as Al Gore thought it would be?
Maybe in his holding cell it would always be -20 degrees as an extra added kick in the teeth.
DrAllecon on March 2, 2010 at 12:19 AM
To start, he is not Taliban, he is a Sunni Iranian and like all Sunnis, he feels superior to the Sh*tes who, of course dominate Iran in population as do the Sh*tes in Iraq. America will use them to weaken Iran and rightfully so. But now they have lost this burr under the saddle of the Ayatollah. Everybody involved being Muslim, it is contorted to a great degree. Why would Sunni Pakistan, a client state of Saudi Arabia, be complicit in his capture? They wouldn’t (unless there was something even bigger in it for them).
This Sunni Muslim and his followers were an inconvenience to Iran but not a major threat by themselves.
America favours the Sunni side of Islam. The Sh*tes are more reckless and are under-pined with the 12th Imam scenario which, in the wrong hands (and it is), demand they light the fuse to dooms day to start the Miracle.
The more pragmatic Sunni don’t want the world to blow up, their game is infiltration, demographic change and a constant low grade aggression with grand punctuations of terror. America is being played by both branches of Islam as is all the west. They collaborate one moment and slit each others throats the next. In the end they are all Muslim and it is best to put little faith in their words or their works.
BL@KBIRD on March 2, 2010 at 12:24 AM
But see, it’s all they have. There is no reason to do anything about ManBearPig unless the price of non-action is catastrophe.
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 12:27 AM
LOL…. thanks all…
Epic Post fail on my part… especialy since the book is sitting in the bookcase right behind me…
but the borboun is sitting in front of me…. LOL
Romeo13 on March 2, 2010 at 12:32 AM
It’s all good. Happy you brought up Crichton. He died much too young.
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Yeah, amazing how prophetic that book has turned out to be…
Now, if I could just find that dang island with the dinosaurs….
Romeo13 on March 2, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Fat Al flunked out of Yale Divinity School. A sign of genius IQ? I think not.
Grab some popcorn and pull up a front row seat for a birds eye view of the class action suits that will start to appear … probably later this year. Fat Al may have to live on that 100 foot houseboat.
Karma.
jdflorida on March 2, 2010 at 12:45 AM
But: were Lotero and Coletti wearing
“Yes We Can!”
t-shirts?!?
Lockstein13 on March 2, 2010 at 12:46 AM
29Victor on March 2, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Conscience is what stops normal people before they get to that point. The self-hate generated in the West, among the very weak personalities, is very strong stuff, though.
The West is in an all-out offensive on itself.
neurosculptor on March 2, 2010 at 12:56 AM
Ha! Every day!
Christian Conservative on March 2, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Frank Rich is sick.
Al Gore is responsible for a great deal of damage but he’s not responsible for the maturity of others.
Speakup on March 2, 2010 at 1:02 AM
What is troubling is :
1. If Rigi was a CIA guy , his capture is devastating for CIA
2. He is in Iranian custody , so pretty sure he won’t get mirandized.
3. He was based in Af-Pak and was aiming to be a warlord in the Afghan-Iran border region, with US help.
4. All the taliban ‘captured ‘ in the last few weeks were in Pakistan, and Rigi was floating there too.
5. Birader wanted to ‘talk’ or ‘negotiate’ with US .
Rigi wanted to meet US for a ‘deal’ too .
Both get captured where the US can’t touch them.
So who is playing whom ?
The silence is deafening. And we are dependent on foreign sources for news.
macncheez on March 2, 2010 at 1:08 AM
O/T but rumor swirling around twitterville is Jeri Thompson quit the show with Teh Fred to go to work for Sarah Palin….
Discuss…..
gary4205 on March 2, 2010 at 1:09 AM
While he was POTUS? Not sure. But last year he said this:
“So I very much wish now that I had demanded that we put derivatives under the jurisdiction of the Securities and Exchange Commission and that transparency rules had been observed and that we had done that. That I think is a legitimate criticism of what we didn’t do.” – Bill Clinton, 2009.
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 1:13 AM
Sorry, don’t believe this.
Who wrote the suicide note?
If the male, then it was to save face for the fact that he had just caught his wife cheating on him.
Occam’s Razor..
OldEnglish on March 2, 2010 at 1:20 AM
Jeri was the spokesperson for Team Sarah in 2008. Is she still?
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 1:22 AM
Occam’s razor would also conclude that the simplest strategy to stop AGW would be to kill yourself.
July 10 on March 2, 2010 at 1:25 AM
She is one of the co-founders along with Janine Turner. Team Sarah doesn’t have anything to do with Sarah though, it’s just a group of folks who support Sarah.
I do think Jeri was instrumental in getting Sarah on board with Doug Hoffman’s campaign though.
gary4205 on March 2, 2010 at 1:29 AM
Quite so, but I was thinking more of the simplest explanation for the murder.
OldEnglish on March 2, 2010 at 1:40 AM
Anyone else getting tired of Allahpundit’s incessant attempts to portray Palin, the Tea Partiers, and Consevatives in general in a poor light?
That first quote is so smarmy, so disingenuous in its own right with its Tea Party slander, and its citation here is just as craptastic.
Stack was plainly of the Left with his self-centered demands for govt supports and at most a liberal-tarian with his self-centered genesis of his tax evasion, couched in a bed of frothing anti-religiousity.
And that last bit is, I suspect, part of why Allahpundit keeps shoveling this tripe.
rayra on March 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM
Nicely summed up. They are not really libertarians; they are libertines.
atheling on March 2, 2010 at 2:48 AM
I feel ya!
Very tiring ain’t it.
gary4205 on March 2, 2010 at 3:23 AM
Anyone else getting tired of Allahpundit’s incessant attempts to portray Palin, the Tea Partiers, and Consevatives in general in a poor light?
That first quote is so smarmy, so disingenuous in its own right with its Tea Party slander, and its citation here is just as craptastic.
I’m afraid all your complaining is falling on deaf ears. People obviously like it otherwise they would stop coming back to Hot Air.
Crux Australis on March 2, 2010 at 4:06 AM
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